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    Is Ahmed Shehzad really an aggressive batsman?

    I have seen a lot of PakPassion members calling Shehzad an aggressive batsman but his stats are against this.

    Facts:
    His ODI strike-rate Is 65.56.
    While his T20I Strike Rate is 109.60.
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    He smashed Adam Milne around in a T20 game and hence was hastily attributed the misnomer. It's not true. He's just about a batsman, forget an aggressive one. No hate, just opinion.
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    I think it is a case of playing for his spot in the side. He is worrying too much about whether he will survive or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachjinn View Post
    He smashed Adam Milne around in a T20 game and hence was hastily given the misnomer. It's not true. He's just about a batsman, forget an aggressive one. No hate, just opinion.
    yeah ..he isn't agressive by any mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon Javed View Post
    I have seen alot of PPassioners Calling Shahzad An Agressive Batsman But His Stats Are Against This Facts ..
    His ODI strike Rate Is 66
    While T2o Strike Rate is 109
    His Stats Are Even Bad As Compared To Our Very Own Sir who has Odi Strike Rtae of 69 While T20 Strike Rate is Even For Both..
    Is Shahzad Really An Agressive Batsman???
    You mentioned Farhat but his strike-rate is lower than that of Misbah-Ul-Haq who has an ODI strike-rate of 73.38 and a T20I strike-rate of 110.20!

    I think this belief that he is an aggressive batsman stems from the fact that he has an aggressive personality and is considerably temperamental. One would think that the two would correlate but this doesn't reflect in his statistics. In my opinion, he is one of those batsman who hits the ball hard, scores boundaries but is often bewilderingly actually batting slowly.

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    His front foot game is quite poor.

    He needs to work on his driving - especially on the offside.

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    Keep the jinx threads coming


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    Quote Originally Posted by HamzaSaeen View Post
    Keep the jinx threads coming
    Signature change time not yet?

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    His game needs working on He plays too many dot balls

    He doesnt hit the gaps and finds the fielders on most occasions Either hits a boundary or plays out dot balls with nothing in between

    Poor batting so far today
    Last edited by Zaz; 28th July 2013 at 19:43.


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    I've seen him play very aggressive in domestic

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachjinn View Post
    Signature change time not yet?
    Its reverse jinxing Afridi nicely so I won't change


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    Quote Originally Posted by khan1992 View Post
    I've seen him play very aggressive in domestic
    i have seen Sir scoring 60 odd runs at alomost strike rate of 200 a few days ago

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    He is trying to accelerate his SR now from last 2 overs it's T20 you can change things in short time maybe in the end of his inning you see SR of 120+ but don't be surprised if i share with you that he was on bottom of the list with his SR of 58 in whole ODI series...



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    He's under pressure to keep his spot in the team, thus, is unwilling to take chances.

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    heis being given enough chances

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    Good innings today, and aggressive too

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    Did okay considering the pitch but stupidily give it away once he did the hard work


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bashira_taeli View Post
    Good innings today, and aggressive too
    For Your Information his strike rate was below 100

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    do you have a replacement?

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    not really i was just talking about his nature of batting??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon Javed View Post
    For Your Information his strike rate was below 100
    Doesnt change the fact that was a good innings and an aggressive innings


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bashira_taeli View Post
    Good innings today, and aggressive too
    How? The team SR is over 100 but his is less than 100.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon Javed View Post
    not really i was just talking about his nature of batting??
    then just appreciate what you have unless you want to see imran farhat or kamran akmal opening.

    he's only 23 and only played few games since his comeback it takes time to adjust

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigii View Post
    How? The team SR is over 100 but his is less than 100.
    so
    hes the opener to set the foundation at a 95 SR which is good.
    Salman butt in 09 t20 wc showed not every batsman in the team needs to be blasting


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    Not sure how or when that label got applied. Maybe because he's young?

    Just looks a really good, solid player to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamzie View Post
    so
    hes the opener to set the foundation at a 95 SR which is good.
    Salman butt in 09 t20 wc showed not every batsman in the team needs to be blasting
    Not a great example Salman butt was dropped midway through that series


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    LOL not really.

    He is just touted by a few as the next tendulkar and some by very aggressive. He is a limited ability batsman.


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    Is Shahzad Really An Aggressive Batsman??

    Reminds me of the 2003-04 Imran Farhat.

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    He is an average batsman who will fail more than succeed. Definitely not the next Tendulkar.

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    TBH no.. i dont think so. in the ODI series his Sr was low. maybe it will change against the zimbabwe tour.

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    He has been disappointing.


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    His today's innings was decent in the context of the match

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    That was a more than decent innings on that wicket , 130 was always going to be a good total , plus the late cut of narine and the straight six of best was all class ._old

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    Hasn't He scored a century in 42 balls in BPL?


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    He just needs to stay calm and positive about his survival in the team.. he will play more positively

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    Not aggressive, an average batsman who can occasional cash in against average bowlers, though he should be more useful in the UAE. Should be given a run in the side to work on his flaws because he's young. At the moment he doesn't really have an idea of how to build an innings, looks like he tries to block and then hit every other ball. Has very poor footwork which will get him in trouble against better attacks.

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    Shehzad inning today was a quite matured , stuck around 16 overs , when everyone was falling apart ,
    made good 40 and kept SR around 100 , when the pitch was turning ,

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    hhe is aggressive but has limitations and its good that he realizes his limitations and takes time unlike Afridi doesn't slam every ball..............

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    Regaurdless of strike it was a good inning by him yesterday

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    his footwork is really awful looks like a young Hafeez to me unless he makes drastic improvements he will never make it in international cricket.

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    I feel Ahmed Shehzad is an aggressive batsmen but his ball placement is terrible. If you watch the games, he does hit the ball fairly hard but always gives it to a fielder. If he can learn to get it between the players, his SR would be a lot better.

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    He's as aggressive as Mohammad Kaif.

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    too many flaws in his game seriously. Pakistan is better off moving forward without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    He's as aggressive as Mohammad Kaif.
    kaif was........_old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    his footwork is really awful looks like a young Hafeez to me unless he makes drastic improvements he will never make it in international cricket.
    yeah his footwork against spin is horrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Hasn't He scored a century in 42 balls in BPL?
    don't talk about leagues (look at gayle)

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    aggressive (clear from domestic / t20 performances / occasional t20i performance like in SAF against chris morris and co)

    but yet to translate domestic performance into international.
    maybe a case of not being sure of his place in the site.
    maybe instructions of our captains holding him back.
    maybe difference in bowling he faces

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    Quote Originally Posted by mon858 View Post
    aggressive (clear from domestic / t20 performances / occasional t20i performance like in SAF against chris morris and co)

    but yet to translate domestic performance into international.
    maybe a case of not being sure of his place in the site.
    maybe instructions of our captains holding him back.
    maybe difference in bowling he faces
    domestic performance? what performance? 32 List A Average?

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    problem is that he doesn't rotate the strike.he hits a couple of fours and we thing he's aggresive but then plays out dot balls and maidens and its all back to square one

    guy's talented though,needs to be backed


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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    too many flaws in his game seriously. Pakistan is better off moving forward without him.
    too many flaws? Really? He was better than many poster's ankhun ka tarra nasir jamshed who is a proven FTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Reminds me of the 2003-04 Imran Farhat.
    You are the most self-hating pakistani i have ever seen in this forum. Calling a good talent equal to imran farhat, seems like your tussle with BD has started clouding your opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    problem is that he doesn't rotate the strike.he hits a couple of fours and we thing he's aggresive but then plays out dot balls and maidens and its all back to square one

    guy's talented though,needs to be backed
    Sums up shehzad's batting till now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    problem is that he doesn't rotate the strike.he hits a couple of fours and we thing he's aggresive but then plays out dot balls and maidens and its all back to square one

    guy's talented though,needs to be backed
    agreed. on top of it all he completely gets bogged down against spin. he has weaknesses he needs to work out. hopefully he will be selected for the zimbabwe tour where he may get another chance.... it will also test him if teh pitches are like the indias tour of zimbabwe.

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    I'd have Ahmed Shehzad in our squad cos he's better than Imran Farhat and others and we just need him to get a good start

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    Take from this what you may:

    Strike-rates under various captains

    Misbah-ul-Haq - 58.62 (5 matches)
    Shahid Afridi - 73.46 (15 matches)
    Younis Khan - 52.73 (4 matches)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    Take from this what you may:

    Strike-rates under various captains

    Misbah-ul-Haq - 58.62 (5 matches)
    Shahid Afridi - 73.46 (15 matches)
    Younis Khan - 52.73 (4 matches)
    I believe his strike rate under hafeez would be good like under afridi. Can you provide that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invasion 550 View Post
    I believe his strike rate under hafeez would be good like under afridi. Can you provide that?
    T20I Strike-Rates under various captains

    Misbah-ul-Haq - 33.33 (1 match)
    Mohammad Hafeez - 106.21 (7 matches)
    Shahid Afridi - 135.71 (4 matches)
    Younis Khan - 57.14 (1 match)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    T20I Strike-Rates under various captains

    Misbah-ul-Haq - 33.33 (1 match)
    Mohammad Hafeez - 106.21 (7 matches)
    Shahid Afridi - 135.71 (4 matches)
    Younis Khan - 57.14 (1 match)
    This. Thankyou.

    Shows how captaincy effects the mentality of the players. I guess we all know who is the 'defensive one' ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotham Cronie View Post
    T20I Strike-Rates under various captains

    Misbah-ul-Haq - 33.33 (1 match)
    Mohammad Hafeez - 106.21 (7 matches)
    Shahid Afridi - 135.71 (4 matches)
    Younis Khan - 57.14 (1 match)
    it will be better if you will mention his average as well under various caption

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    ^irrelevant, sample size is too small.

    Shehzad is a typical Pakistani batsman from early 2000s, block, block, block and slog. Relies too heavily on his cross batted pulls which often get his wicket too. He is a good cricketer and tick most of the boxes, but need to work on his off-side game.

    I'd give him an extended run in the ODI team to prove his worth, much better than wasting time with Farhat


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    Shehzad has been bitterly disappointing. After he scored 2 hundreds early on in his career I really expected more from him, but the more I see him he just looks like a batsman with very limited strokes. Footwork is also a serious concern.


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    He could turn imto Malik, a bad batsmen but our best fielder, I really he doesn't, just needs to be persisted with

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    Hope* he doesn't

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    Had great hopes from him but so far he has disappointed.

    His batting is quite ordinary, nowhere as classy and smooth like Umar Amin / Haris Sohail or even Nasir. Bad placements, bad shot selection specially he can't time the airborne shots well. And struggles hard against spin.

    Some people probably mistake his hot temper and aggressive attitude with aggressive batting, which isn't true.

    Still, he's young and I'll give him some more time to see if he improves.

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    He has to perform soon. Babar Azam , Azhar Ali and Manzoor are all knocking on the door


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    I don't think that he'll gonna make a name for himself at international level if he doesn't work on his front foot, playing strokes at off-side and his traditional struggle against spinners.
    So with his apocryphally aggressive batting, he never fulfilled that space till now. Slogging the odd deliveries doesn't make you an aggressive batsman nor a hard hitter. He needs to understand how to rotate the strike, as a opener you need to rotate the strike frequently if you're struggling to whack boundaries in the 10 overs.
    Ahmed Shehzad in T20Is has the lowest career Strike-Rate for a opener who has played 10+ matches and averages more than 20+.


    The point is that as a batsman, Ahmed Shehzad has lots of to prove on, but blaming his low strike-rates on a particular captain is simply illogical. We don't praise the captain when a batsman scores tons or when a bowler takes 5-fers. So, saying that a captain has to be blamed if the batsmen are struggling or scoring at a low strike-rate is also illogical.
    For example: Nasir Jamshed averaged 50.26 with Strike-Rate of 89 till the last match against India in January, that was under Misbah's captaincy. After India's tour, Jamshed played 14 matches till now where he averaged 21.71 with Strike-Rate of 59.02
    It should be clear now that Ahmed Shehzad is struggling technically and not mentally. Let's hope he proves himself rather than showing attitudes during interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmranSpeaks View Post
    I don't think that he'll gonna make a name for himself at international level if he doesn't work on his front foot, playing strokes at off-side and his traditional struggle against spinners.
    So with his apocryphally aggressive batting, he never fulfilled that space till now. Slogging the odd deliveries doesn't make you an aggressive batsman nor a hard hitter. He needs to understand how to rotate the strike, as a opener you need to rotate the strike frequently if you're struggling to whack boundaries in the 10 overs.
    Ahmed Shehzad in T20Is has the lowest career Strike-Rate for a opener who has played 10+ matches and averages more than 20+.


    The point is that as a batsman, Ahmed Shehzad has lots of to prove on, but blaming his low strike-rates on a particular captain is simply illogical. We don't praise the captain when a batsman scores tons or when a bowler takes 5-fers. So, saying that a captain has to be blamed if the batsmen are struggling or scoring at a low strike-rate is also illogical.
    For example: Nasir Jamshed averaged 50.26 with Strike-Rate of 89 till the last match against India in January, that was under Misbah's captaincy. After India's tour, Jamshed played 14 matches till now where he averaged 21.71 with Strike-Rate of 59.02
    It should be clear now that Ahmed Shehzad is struggling technically and not mentally. Let's hope he proves himself rather than showing attitudes during interviews.
    very strange stats!!!!!!!!!

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    7 off 15 for him today in his CPL debut

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    The CPL is his chance to make a name for himself, bad performance and he could get dropped , not a great start today, 7 off 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invasion 550 View Post
    You are the most self-hating pakistani i have ever seen in this forum. Calling a good talent equal to imran farhat, seems like your tussle with BD has started clouding your opinions.

    Imran Farhat was a good talent back then too. But you see not all players get better with age. IMO Shehzad is a player of the potential of Farhat.

    He will struggle to average more than 30-31 all his career and will have a terrible strike rate to go with.

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    Yep he is aggressive infact he is next Gayle.


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    Looks like his level is the Bangladesh Premier League

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    if he wants to impress the selectors then he has to do good over here or else he will disappear once again.

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    He was given a full run in the WC 2011. He failed miserably on those flat pitches as well. Okay, maybe tournament pressure.

    But needs to perform and improve now. Don't see any batting class in him, sadly this will again give us problems with opening and top order failing.

    It maybe a bit harsh, but he has been given chances and will soon have to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    He was given a full run in the WC 2011. He failed miserably on those flat pitches as well. Okay, maybe tournament pressure.

    But needs to perform and improve now. Don't see any batting class in him, sadly this will again give us problems with opening and top order failing.

    It maybe a bit harsh, but he has been given chances and will soon have to improve.
    he's been a disappointment so far...

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    Let's have a fair comparison between Farhat and Shehzad.

    Imran Farhat after 24 ODIs:



    And Ahmed Shehzad's ODI career:



    Ahmed Shehzad vs New Zealand: Matches: 6, Average: 39, Strike-Rate: 100, tons: 1

    Imran Farhat vs New Zealand (From 2001-2006): Matches 13, Average: 41, Strike-Rate: 76, tons: 1

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    Ahmed Shehzad vs Rest Of the Teams:



    Imran Farhat vs Rest Of the Teams (From 2001-2006):



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    From the above stats we come to know that (unless he improves himself), Ahmed Shehzad is just another "Farhat" in the business.

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    Looking At The Performance of ahmed shahzad in cpl its proved that shahzad is no more an agressive batsman ..he cab't even play in domestic leagues

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmranSpeaks View Post
    Let's have a fair comparison between Farhat and Shehzad.

    Imran Farhat after 24 ODIs:



    And Ahmed Shehzad's ODI career:



    Ahmed Shehzad vs New Zealand: Matches: 6, Average: 39, Strike-Rate: 100, tons: 1

    Imran Farhat vs New Zealand (From 2001-2006): Matches 13, Average: 41, Strike-Rate: 76, tons: 1

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    Ahmed Shehzad vs Rest Of the Teams:



    Imran Farhat vs Rest Of the Teams (From 2001-2006):



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    From the above stats we come to know that (unless he improves himself), Ahmed Shehzad is just another "Farhat" in the business.
    No the above stats shows that Ahmed Shehzad is even worst than Imran Farhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    No the above stats shows that Ahmed Shehzad is even worst than Imran Farhat.
    Great stats... vs ...
    so it means another sir on its way..

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