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    After being thrashed around in the IPL on the least spin friendly home ground he had a mental break down. His captain DInesh Karthik rested him promptly. It took a while for him to find the rhyhtm. Finally found today.

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    If he hadn’t done so already, Kuldeep Yadav announced himself upon the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup with a delivery he described as perfect.

    The 24-year-old literally turned the tie against Pakistan in favour of India when he removed Babar Azam in one of the moments of the tournament so far.

    In front of a packed and tense Old Trafford crowd, Kuldeep enticed Babar forward before the ball dipped late, turned between bat and pad from off to leg and crashed into the stumps.

    His Sunday best ended a threatening stand of 104 between Babar and Fakhar Zaman, and with Fakhar top-edging Kuldeep in his next over, India were on course for a win under the DLS method.

    Along with New Zealand, they remain unbeaten and will look to stretch that run to five games when they face Afghanistan at the Hampshire Bowl on Saturday.

    Kuldeep revealed that he was so pleased with the Babar ball that he watched it during the rain break that temporarily halted the latest victory charge.

    “It drifted and turned so any spinner would love that delivery,” he said. “It was a proper delivery, a Test delivery, deceiving the batsman in the air and forcing him to make a mistake – a perfect delivery.

    “I think it was one of the best balls of the tournament for me. Babar Azam, he is a good player of spin and from a team point of view a really good wicket. They were striking the ball very well and rotating the strike. After Fakar got out too, it put them under pressure.”

    Kuldeep is one of the most eye-catching bowlers in the tournament with relatively few left-arm wrist-spinners operating at the highest level.

    No doubt the surprise factor has contributed to a wonderful record of 90 wickets from 47 games at a beguiling average of 22.50 apiece.

    But the killer stat is his strike rate of a wicket every 27.40 balls, the best of any India bowler in their 45 years of ODI cricket to have sent down a minimum of 1,000 deliveries.

    Of those in the current World Cup, only Mitchell Starc (Australia) and Rashid Khan (Afghanistan) boast lower strike rates, a reflection of Kuldeep’s aggressive approach to slow bowling.

    He said: “I bowled really well in the first game [versus South Africa], against Australia as well, and they were struggling to hit me.

    “That is important for all spinners, when you have the rhythm. Against Pakistan too with the rotation of the ball and deceiving the batsman in the air, that is the most important thing for any spinner. That is my strength and I really love it.”

    Previous experience in England includes a five-wicket haul against the host nation in a T20I last July – which also happened to be at Old Trafford.

    “I knew the conditions were favourable for the spinners,” Kuldeep said. “I was getting a little bit of turn even in the first over. I only look for that when I get such a pitch, I really try to spin the ball.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    No doubt the surprise factor has contributed to a wonderful record of 90 wickets from 47 games at a beguiling average of 22.50 apiece.

    But the killer stat is his strike rate of a wicket every 27.40 balls, the best of any India bowler in their 45 years of ODI cricket to have sent down a minimum of 1,000 deliveries.
    Never thought I'd see the day when there would be an Indian bowler with those stats. I've become too used to seeing Indian bowlers averaging in the 30s.

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    Kuldeep's biggest challenge is yet to come.

    But since he is proper wrist spinner and not a mystery one, i believe he will master that challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    No.

    Don't need the hyperbole yet.

    I've seen Warne bowl live and most of the times you were trying to survive his 10 over spell no matter what the pitch.

    I don't think Kuldeep is at that level yet.
    By who? Most probably non-Indian batsmen as his bowling average against India in ODIs is a mediocre 56.26! Forget about top order batsmen, I have even seen the likes of Robin Singh blasting him out of the park. I don’t think even Indian tail-enders were ever scared of him.
    I believe Kuldeep can achieve more than Warney in both ODIs and Tests because of the poor spin-playing skills of current batsmen. Even Indians are longer the great players of spin and succumb to the likes of Moeen Ali. If Kuldeep can maintain his accuracy and flight, he is gonna be a beast of a bowler.
    Last edited by Dingolfy; 17th June 2019 at 22:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    By who? Most probably non-Indian batsmen as his bowling average against India in ODIs is a mediocre 56.26! Forget about top order batsmen, I have even seen the likes of Robin Singh blasting him out of the park. I don’t think even Indian tail-enders were ever scared of him.
    I believe Kuldeep can achieve more than Warney in both ODIs and Tests because of the poor spin-playing skills of current batsmen. Even Indians are longer the great players of spin and succumb to the likes of Moeen Ali. If Kuldeep can maintain his accuracy and flight, he is gonna be a beast of a bowler.
    The world doesnt start and stop with India.

    The same time you were dripping with exultation while taking out stat sheets of Warne vs India, he was winning them World Cups and Test Matches.

    He is one of WISDEN's five greatest cricketers of the century.

    Who is Kuldeep?

    A nobody.

    Even Saqlain is better than Kuldeep at the moment

    So just shove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    The world doesnt start and stop with India.

    The same time you were dripping with exultation while taking out stat sheets of Warne vs India, he was winning them World Cups and Test Matches.

    He is one of WISDEN's five greatest cricketers of the century.

    Who is Kuldeep?

    A nobody.

    Even Saqlain is better than Kuldeep at the moment

    So just shove it.
    I can understand your pain after yesterday’s mauling but why getting wound-up over a non-Pakistani player who has never been that kind to Pakistanis or any Desis in his entire career ?
    And we are discussing cricket here not beauty pageants so I have to bring out the stats to give some objectivity. Otherwise I can say Sreeshant is better than Shoaib Akthar as he ‘won’ two worldcups.
    Shane Warne was a beast against other teams but when it came to India, he was a bottler. How else will you explain his Desbashish Mohanti like average at a poor economy of 5.19 against 90’s Indian batsmen who were one of the worst in our history barring Tendulkar.
    And its good that you mentioned Saqlain. I rate him better than Warney because he absolutely came to the party against Indians with a sub-25 average and a measly economy of 4.52. Also didn't bottle like Warney in the 1999 Chennai Test when things mattered the most. Also didnt to PED and then blamed it on his poor mother.

    In any sports, your mettle is proved when you do it against the best. And thats exactly what Saqlain did with much poor fielders and support bowlers than Warney. Even Murali and Mushtaq Ahmed did the same.
    So I would be happy if Kuldeep could emulate them rather than the bottler Warney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    I can understand your pain after yesterday’s mauling but why getting wound-up over a non-Pakistani player who has never been that kind to Pakistanis or any Desis in his entire career ?
    And we are discussing cricket here not beauty pageants so I have to bring out the stats to give some objectivity. Otherwise I can say Sreeshant is better than Shoaib Akthar as he ‘won’ two worldcups.
    Shane Warne was a beast against other teams but when it came to India, he was a bottler. How else will you explain his Desbashish Mohanti like average at a poor economy of 5.19 against 90’s Indian batsmen who were one of the worst in our history barring Tendulkar.
    And its good that you mentioned Saqlain. I rate him better than Warney because he absolutely came to the party against Indians with a sub-25 average and a measly economy of 4.52. Also didn't bottle like Warney in the 1999 Chennai Test when things mattered the most. Also didnt to PED and then blamed it on his poor mother.

    In any sports, your mettle is proved when you do it against the best. And thats exactly what Saqlain did with much poor fielders and support bowlers than Warney. Even Murali and Mushtaq Ahmed did the same.
    So I would be happy if Kuldeep could emulate them rather than the bottler Warney.
    First of all, Pakistan losing to India is not relevant to discussing Warne.

    EVERY great batsmen or bowler can have one team where they struggle more than others.

    Ponting struggled in India. Does that make him no ATG?
    Dravid averages useless in South Africa. Does that mean he is worthless?

    Shane Warne was a legend in Tests and Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

    Your personal opinion can be of even Sreesanth > Wasim and it means ********.

    It is an established fact that Shane Warne is an ATG of the game and cricketer of the century. You NOT rating him and RATING Kuldeep as better is WORTHLESS.

    Enjoy your stupidity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    First of all, Pakistan losing to India is not relevant to discussing Warne.

    EVERY great batsmen or bowler can have one team where they struggle more than others.

    Ponting struggled in India. Does that make him no ATG?
    Dravid averages useless in South Africa. Does that mean he is worthless?

    Shane Warne was a legend in Tests and Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

    Your personal opinion can be of even Sreesanth > Wasim and it means ********.

    It is an established fact that Shane Warne is an ATG of the game and cricketer of the century. You NOT rating him and RATING Kuldeep as better is WORTHLESS.

    Enjoy your stupidity.
    Kuldeep is a very humble, soft chap. He would never cliam that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Kuldeep is a very humble, soft chap. He would never cliam that.
    Kuldeep is a Warne fan. He even copied his shirt no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    First of all, Pakistan losing to India is not relevant to discussing Warne.

    EVERY great batsmen or bowler can have one team where they struggle more than others.

    Ponting struggled in India. Does that make him no ATG?
    Dravid averages useless in South Africa. Does that mean he is worthless?

    Shane Warne was a legend in Tests and Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

    Your personal opinion can be of even Sreesanth > Wasim and it means ********.

    It is an established fact that Shane Warne is an ATG of the game and cricketer of the century. You NOT rating him and RATING Kuldeep as better is WORTHLESS.

    Enjoy your stupidity.
    The only stupid person here is You who gets riled up with no reason other than ydays brutal loss.
    Where did I say Kuldeep is better than Warney? All I said he should be emulating your own Saqlain who was a brilliant bowler against the best players of spin.
    And al the examples you gave above was in a particular place, not against a particular team. Ponting only failed in India but he smoked India everywhere else. Same with Dravid. His averages against South Africa is better in India.
    But Warney failed against India everywhere. That is exactly the problem. He couldn't tame them either at his home, or in India or anywhere else. That is NOT the sign of a champion player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    First of all, Pakistan losing to India is not relevant to discussing Warne.

    EVERY great batsmen or bowler can have one team where they struggle more than others.

    Ponting struggled in India. Does that make him no ATG?
    Dravid averages useless in South Africa. Does that mean he is worthless?

    Shane Warne was a legend in Tests and Wisden's 5 cricketers of the century.

    Your personal opinion can be of even Sreesanth > Wasim and it means ********.

    It is an established fact that Shane Warne is an ATG of the game and cricketer of the century. You NOT rating him and RATING Kuldeep as better is WORTHLESS.

    Enjoy your stupidity.
    And I compared Sreeshant against Akthar not Wasim. Looks like the loss has even affected your eyesight. 😂😂😂😂

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIF9DHB4qg


    He is learning from the masters. He is a big fan of Warne. I didn't realize he started a pace bowler. THen shane warne inspired him to become a spinner.

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    Thank you, Warnie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dravidthewall View Post
    Looking at yesterday's match ,the way he bowled pakistan best batsman babr azam ,reminds me of shane warne bowled Gibbs 1999 worldcup semifinal..Can he be next shane warne
    Sorry, but you are sounding like an fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Love the humility of Kumble. A great match winner for India, a great bowler by any standard but always has (rightly) rated Warne as the greatest.

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    One question, i see SHadab Khan's height listed as 5'10" Is he that tall? Kuldeep, Chahal 5' 6".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    The world doesnt start and stop with India.

    The same time you were dripping with exultation while taking out stat sheets of Warne vs India, he was winning them World Cups and Test Matches.

    He is one of WISDEN's five greatest cricketers of the century.

    Who is Kuldeep?

    A nobody.

    Even Saqlain is better than Kuldeep at the moment

    So just shove it.
    Doctor, gotta say are coming across a bit triggered. Unfortunately Pakistan isn’t really going to do better till they fix the way things are done, in politics, in sports, in all spheres of public endeavors.

    It is true that Warne was a great cricketer but it is also true that he did poorly against India. Also true that you are one of the best posters in this forum IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Doctor, gotta say are coming across a bit triggered. Unfortunately Pakistan isn’t really going to do better till they fix the way things are done, in politics, in sports, in all spheres of public endeavors.

    It is true that Warne was a great cricketer but it is also true that he did poorly against India. Also true that you are one of the best posters in this forum IMHO
    I come across as triggered when someone is saying Kuldeep can be better than Warne?

    Thats like saying Bumrah can be better than McGrath etc etc.



    Anyhow.

    Thanks for the compliment though.


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    Kulcha’s form is crucial for India. They have the potential to gift the World Cup to India if they both delivered

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    Dismissal of Babar is compared to shane warne ball of the century mike gatting. Both were delivered on same ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution View Post
    Dismissal of Babar is compared to shane warne ball of the century mike gatting. Both were delivered on same ground.
    Not really in the same league for drift/spin (or some of his '99 balls in WC) but a great delivery.

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    90 ODI wkts in 45 Innings/47 Matches

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    He’s had a disappointing World Cup. One decent match vs Pakistan but that was it really. He’s still young enough to play another 2-3 WCs so should hopefully use this as a learning experience and come back stronger in the future.

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    High quality player who will come through this tough patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    I come across as triggered when someone is saying Kuldeep can be better than Warne?

    Thats like saying Bumrah can be better than McGrath etc etc.



    Anyhow.

    Thanks for the compliment though.
    Doctors always have the last laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Doctors always have the last laugh.
    Kuldeep is still only 23.😎. And even Shane Warne got massacred many times in his career.

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    Kuldeep is still class, he's just out of form. Happens to even the best of them.

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    Kuldeep was doing well until Pakistan game. He lost the momentum after that game for some reason.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep_shot View Post
    Kuldeep was doing well until Pakistan game. He lost the momentum after that game for some reason.
    He lost form (he was out of form even in IPL).

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    Leg spinners will go for runs! That's not new! Vinod Kambli once took on Shane Warne in Sharjah and won the game! Leg spin is an attacking option, you need that to pick wickets even in ODIs (especially in the middle overs). But you can't overdo that always. That's why I always said don't keep Kuldeep/Chahal combination as default for all the matches & all the opponents, use them as surprise weapon and keep rotating them (They are not alrounders to play them in every match!) As they grow older they will get better control & will learn to adjust according to situations (bowl defensively when batsmen are on top!) Just give them time (never drop them! Always have them in the squad and utilize them smartly!)

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    With R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja In Test Squad, Kuldeep Yadav Looks To Make Most Of Chances

    Kuldeep Yadav reckons that with R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja in the squad, he has to make most of the opportunities in Test cricket.

    Kuldeep Yadav played his last Test match against Australia in Sydney in January where he picked up five wickets. However, the match ended in a draw as India won the four-match Test series 2-1. Kuldeep Yadav did not feature in India's next Test series against the West Indies where they registered a whitewash in a two-match series. India had three specialists spinners in the squad but only Ravindra Jadeja was picked in the playing XI for both Test matches in the West Indies. Speaking on his exclusion from red-ball cricket, Kuldeep said that when the team has three spinners, it's challenging to pick the right combination.

    "When three spinners like Ashwin, Jaddu and I are in the squad, it's challenging to pick the right combination. You need to be ready to grab your chance. Of course, there is pressure because you only get a few chances, and you have to make full use of them," Kuldeep was quoted as saying by PTI.

    Not only Test cricket but Kuldeep was dropped from India's T20I squads for the West Indies tour and home series against South Africa but that hasn't dented his confidence.

    "So far, I have done a good job in limited-overs format. I feel very comfortable with the white ball," Kuldeep said.

    "I am not worried about not being picked for the last two T20I series. Maybe the selectors felt I needed a break. Maybe the team thinks some changes are required. I respect that, and I have no complaints. I see this as an opportunity to do well in Tests," Kuldeep added.

    Kuldeep was part of the India A side for the second unofficial Test against South Africa A, which ended in a draw in Mysore on Friday. The wrist spinner had a decent outing in the game, picking up four for 121 in 29 overs in the only innings India bowled in the match.

    In 68 T20 matches since that 2016 T20 World Cup, Kuldeep has taken 81 wickets at an average of 22.97 (ninth-best in the world, second among Indians), and an economy rate of 7.60 (fifth among Indians). And, he feels wrist spinners are in demand currently.

    "There is no doubt that wrist spinners are dominating the world," Kuldeep said.

    "But sometimes, when you try to stop runs, you actually turn out to be expensive. We need to work on our accuracy. You need to accept that you do get hit for runs and work on being economical."

    Kuldeep, however, feels it is very difficult to adjust to red-ball cricket after consistently featuring in the limited-overs formats.

    "It's hard to play red-ball cricket when you aren't consistently playing that format," he said.

    "If you aren't a regular in this format, it takes time to get into your rhythm. When you are consistently playing limited overs and suddenly switch to Tests without much preparation, it will be tough to excel.

    "You need to bowl long spells, play practice games, to understand field placements and to know how to pick wickets. It was important for me to come here (in the India A game) and bowl as many overs as possible. There is still plenty of work to do," Kuldeep concluded

    https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/kuld...ricket-2104582

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    Kuldeep Yadav became the fastest Indian spinner to claim 100 wickets in ODI cricket during the second match against Australia here on Friday.

    The left-arm wrist-spinner reached to the milestone in his 58th match when he got rid of Alex Carey for 18 in the 38th over of the Australian run chase.

    Among the spinners, the earlier fastest to 100 wickets was Harbhajan Singh in 76 matches.

    “Two wickets in one Kuldeep Yadav over of Alex Carey and Steve Smith and we are right back into the game.@imkuldeep18 has unlocked another milestone as he gets to his 100 ODI wickets,” the BCCI said in a tweet.

    Kuldeep is now also the third-fastest Indian bowler to take 100 ODI wickets behind current teammates Mohammed Shami (56 matches) and Jasprit Bumrah (57 matches).

    The 25-year-old Kuldeep last year became the first Indian cricketer to claim two hat-tricks in international cricket when he pulled off the feat during the 2nd ODI against the West Indies.

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    I will be very surprised if he becomes a good spinner one day. He is indeed very sklifull but if he can't do it at a better pace he is always going to go for plenty of runs.

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    China - Corona
    Kuldeep - karona

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    An ODI legend in the making. He is going to create havoc at the World Cup.
    Haha! The overrating of indian players, as always.

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    looks like he has been found out.

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    He is not getting the turn he used to

    Pretty flat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Haha! The overrating of indian players, as always.
    There is no overrating of Indian players. They are the best team across all formats, and only England are at the same level in white ball cricket.

    Kuldeep is one of those players who has helped them become imperious. He is going through a tough patch but he is still young and India will not discard a spinner of his talents. He will bounce back strongly.

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    What was the need to play him striaght after a shoulder injury? If he was rested for the entire T20 series, why not one more day?

    This team management is pathetic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What was the need to play him striaght after a shoulder injury? If he was rested for the entire T20 series, why not one more day?

    This team management is pathetic.
    What tells you this one more day would have changed something?

    Point is, he was fit and playing and was smashed for poor bowling and great batting. Stop finding excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There is no overrating of Indian players. They are the best team across all formats, and only England are at the same level in white ball cricket.

    Kuldeep is one of those players who has helped them become imperious. He is going through a tough patch but he is still young and India will not discard a spinner of his talents. He will bounce back strongly.
    Was talking about your prediction about his world cup. He was as bad you can get!

    Become imperious? Lol Just been destroyed by a second string NZ team with a full strength bowling attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Was talking about your prediction about his world cup. He was as bad you can get!

    Become imperious? Lol Just been destroyed by a second string NZ team with a full strength bowling attack.
    Funny how this "second string team" excuse only works for India's opponents but never for India.

    Could name atleast four players who we missed today due to injuries. But who am i to stop you expressing your obvious bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesozoic View Post
    Funny how this "second string team" excuse only works for India's opponents but never for India.

    Could name atleast four players who we missed today due to injuries. But who am i to stop you expressing your obvious bias.
    Where did you see me writing that india was full strength?
    You really should stop thinking about things I haven't said and concentrate on what I have said.

    India's bowling was full strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Was talking about your prediction about his world cup. He was as bad you can get!

    Become imperious? Lol Just been destroyed by a second string NZ team with a full strength bowling attack.
    Predictions are predictions. They are not always correct. I was wrong about Kuldeep but I was also right about other things, for example England winning the World Cup and our joker team getting dumped out before the semis.

    Your problem is that you celebrate prematurely when it comes India and then you go quiet when they inevitable win eventually.

    You got over-excited when the lost the first ODI to Australia last month, but then you got your answer when they won the series and whitewashed New Zealand 5-0 in the T20Is.

    Now you are getting carried away with today’s result but that doesn’t change the fact that India is a better side and should still win the series.

    Apart from England and perhaps Australia, no team is good enough to beat India in an ODI or T20I series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Predictions are predictions. They are not always correct. I was wrong about Kuldeep but I was also right about other things, for example England winning the World Cup and our joker team getting dumped out before the semis.

    Your problem is that you celebrate prematurely when it comes India and then you go quiet when they inevitable win eventually.

    You got over-excited when the lost the first ODI to Australia last month, but then you got your answer when they won the series and whitewashed New Zealand 5-0 in the T20Is.

    Now you are getting carried away with today’s result but that doesn’t change the fact that India is a better side and should still win the series.

    Apart from England and perhaps Australia, no team is good enough to beat India in an ODI or T20I series.
    I never hide, it's just I don't always have time to come here.
    Hiding is what you did in the KL Rahul vs Babar Azam thread.

    There is nothing exceptional winning 2-1 vs australia at home, especially when they have Carey, Turner and agar at 5, 6 and 7.
    It was actually a disaster to loose the first match in such a fashion.

    Very good performance by India to beat NZ B in a t20 series that was very well fought by NZ B. The final result doesn't reflect the series.

    Let's see who win this series. But whoever wins, I think Kuldeep has played his last match of the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    What tells you this one more day would have changed something?

    Point is, he was fit and playing and was smashed for poor bowling and great batting. Stop finding excuses.
    The rest would have been 3 days considering that the next ODI is on friday.

    Excuses? Kuldeep is not a avg cricketer who has been hyped up by fans, that i need to find excuses.

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    Since 1st Jan 2019 he has played 27 matches which is just under half of his career ODI matches:

    27 matches
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    Average 37.18

    But when it was Hasan Ali that this happened to it wasn't claimed a 'dip in form' or a 'tough patch' it was that fame has got to his head and he doesnt care. Or when it happened to Shadab, one poster loved calling him a show off but now its an indian player its just a 'rough patch in his career'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPakistani View Post
    Since 1st Jan 2019 he has played 27 matches which is just under half of his career ODI matches:

    27 matches
    37 wickets
    Average 37.18

    But when it was Hasan Ali that this happened to it wasn't claimed a 'dip in form' or a 'tough patch' it was that fame has got to his head and he doesnt care. Or when it happened to Shadab, one poster loved calling him a show off but now its an indian player its just a 'rough patch in his career'.
    Shadab’s entire bowling career has been a rough patch, masked by theatrics in the field. He has never proved himself to be anything more than a minnow-basher.

    Kuldeep has proved himself to be a world class spinner.

    Hasan is a proven performer but his attitude has clearly let him down. His head was in the clouds after the Champions Trophy and the 2017-18 minnow bashing, but he hasn’t been the same after the brutal spanking in the Asia Cup by Rohit and Dhawan.

    His antics on the border, his statements like “I want to take 10 wickets against India”, his cringeworthy celebrations etc. clearly showed that he was getting too big for his own shoes.

    Kuldeep has not exhibited any such traits, so there is no reason to assume that there is something wrong with his attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    I never hide, it's just I don't always have time to come here.
    Hiding is what you did in the KL Rahul vs Babar Azam thread.

    There is nothing exceptional winning 2-1 vs australia at home, especially when they have Carey, Turner and agar at 5, 6 and 7.
    It was actually a disaster to loose the first match in such a fashion.

    Very good performance by India to beat NZ B in a t20 series that was very well fought by NZ B. The final result doesn't reflect the series.

    Let's see who win this series. But whoever wins, I think Kuldeep has played his last match of the series.
    Of course there is nothing exceptional about anything that India does. It is all cheap and free wins.

    I am sure you genuinely believe that a full-strength Pakistan would beat India in T20Is, and I am sure the Asia Cup 2018 thrashings of Pakistan without Kohli were also cheap wins.

    Had the Asia Cup not happened, you would have never believed me had I told you that even a Kohli-less India are three levels above us.

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    @Mobashir

    You were distributing sweets after India lost the first ODI to Australia and were mocking them for lacking talent.

    Now that they won the series, you are dismissing it because it was against a weak lower-order.

    Had they whitewashed them, you would have said the same.

    So what should this mediocre team, that has consistently ranked in the top 3 in all formats for 10 years, do to earn your exalted praise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPakistani View Post
    Since 1st Jan 2019 he has played 27 matches which is just under half of his career ODI matches:

    27 matches
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    Average 37.18

    But when it was Hasan Ali that this happened to it wasn't claimed a 'dip in form' or a 'tough patch' it was that fame has got to his head and he doesnt care. Or when it happened to Shadab, one poster loved calling him a show off but now its an indian player its just a 'rough patch in his career'.
    The display pic has me creasing

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    Kuldeep before WC 2019

    44 matches - 87 wickets - 21 @ 4.92

    Kuldeep since WC 2019

    16 matches - 17 wickets - 48.76 @ 5.56 rpo

    Kuldeep post WC 2019

    9 matches - 11 wickets - 44.72 @ 6rpo

    Yes, Kuldeep is a serious talent and yes he wasn't treated well at the start....but there comes a time when you have to acknowledge someone has an issue and ge needs to work on it.

    It's been ages since I saw Kuldeep not getting smacked.

    Everyone (including Kohli) gets the stick for non performance but Kuldeep for some reason escapes scrutiny.

    The team management haven't even looked at Shreyas Gopal who deserves a shot atleast as a backup spinner.
    Last edited by sensible-indian-fan; 5th February 2020 at 18:56.


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    Looks like his injury is making him only half the bowler. For wrong un shoulder rotation is higher and it hurts him. He has to have a thorough evaluation. If he cannot bowl a wrong un he becomes predictable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Shadab’s entire bowling career has been a rough patch, masked by theatrics in the field. He has never proved himself to be anything more than a minnow-basher.

    Kuldeep has proved himself to be a world class spinner.

    Hasan is a proven performer but his attitude has clearly let him down. His head was in the clouds after the Champions Trophy and the 2017-18 minnow bashing, but he hasn’t been the same after the brutal spanking in the Asia Cup by Rohit and Dhawan.

    His antics on the border, his statements like “I want to take 10 wickets against India”, his cringeworthy celebrations etc. clearly showed that he was getting too big for his own shoes.

    Kuldeep has not exhibited any such traits, so there is no reason to assume that there is something wrong with his attitude.
    The show off minnow basher comfortably outbowled the legend and world class spinner in the world cup.

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    Novelty factor wearing off as happens with most spinners as they go further into their careers. Now teams know his variations and poor lines or lengths are easily punished.

    Ajantha Mendis had extreme novelty factor and he was almost finished post that. I dont think that scenario will happen with Kuldeep but its clear that he definitely isnt and most likely will not be the spinner he was hyped to be.

    Still can be a decent spinner but definitely not the next coming of Warne or something. He should focus on accuracy and slight variations in pace as mixing leggy and googly alone wont be enough now against decent batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Novelty factor wearing off as happens with most spinners as they go further into their careers. Now teams know his variations and poor lines or lengths are easily punished.

    Ajantha Mendis had extreme novelty factor and he was almost finished post that. I dont think that scenario will happen with Kuldeep but its clear that he definitely isnt and most likely will not be the spinner he was hyped to be.

    Still can be a decent spinner but definitely not the next coming of Warne or something. He should focus on accuracy and slight variations in pace as mixing leggy and googly alone wont be enough now against decent batsmen.
    China man bowlers don't have any novelty just like leg spinners. They just have to land and turn. At this point he has issue with both landing and turning. He is missing the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    China man bowlers don't have any novelty just like leg spinners. They just have to land and turn. At this point he has issue with both landing and turning. He is missing the mark.
    As said in the match thread, chinamen is a rare breed and Kuldeep is only one after Hogg to play LOIs consistently. He definitely had a novelty factor as even when he was taking wickets it wasnt like he was turning the ball miles on regular basis. Batsmen couldnt read him but now they can and he needs more conventional weapons of spinners like accuracy and pace variations.

    If his shoulder is not 100% than he shouldnt be playing. Many bowlers when play are not always 100% but when it starts effecting your performances and team its better to sit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    As said in the match thread, chinamen is a rare breed and Kuldeep is only one after Hogg to play LOIs consistently. He definitely had a novelty factor as even when he was taking wickets it wasnt like he was turning the ball miles on regular basis. Batsmen couldnt read him but now they can and he needs more conventional weapons of spinners like accuracy and pace variations.

    If his shoulder is not 100% than he shouldnt be playing. Many bowlers when play are not always 100% but when it starts effecting your performances and team its better to sit out.
    Yes. Ian smith was the one who was explaining how he is only half the bowler if he doesn't have the wrong un. Which is true. On these pocket sized grounds where the ball is nicely coming along you canjust cross bat him into stance. Even at his worst form he did leave Taylor at wits end a few times where as Jadeja was very defensive without even creating a chance. Kuldeep is still the best bet in creating chances despite runs. He can come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Yes. Ian smith was the one who was explaining how he is only half the bowler if he doesn't have the wrong un. Which is true. On these pocket sized grounds where the ball is nicely coming along you canjust cross bat him into stance. Even at his worst form he did leave Taylor at wits end a few times where as Jadeja was very defensive without even creating a chance. Kuldeep is still the best bet in creating chances despite runs. He can come back.
    If he is half the bowler without a wrong un...then he is not as special as we are making him out to be.

    A spinner's main weapon is flight, dip, drift and turn (which leggies should get).

    Wrong uns add to the magic but they can't be the main magical component cos if they are...then once batsmen decode reading them, they are done.

    I am curious to know how come Warne operated around the same speeds and succeeded? He didn't have a good googly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    If he is half the bowler without a wrong un...then he is not as special as we are making him out to be.

    A spinner's main weapon is flight, dip, drift and turn (which leggies should get).

    Wrong uns add to the magic but they can't be the main magical component cos if they are...then once batsmen decode reading them, they are done.

    I am curious to know how come Warne operated around the same speeds and succeeded? He didn't have a good googly.
    Or maybe you are referring to the threat of wrong un in the batsmen's minds.

    Yeah I get it.

    Still would like to know more about Warne's success.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Or maybe you are referring to the threat of wrong un in the batsmen's minds.

    Yeah I get it.

    Still would like to know more about Warne's success.

    Warne has prodigious side spin. Plus his flipper is very fast and at the stumps. Problem is lack of side spin for Kuldeep. Sodhi who i consider an inferior spinner to Kuldeep was able to do. May be the pitch was dry when he bowled. I want to see him bowl during the day time once.

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    Kuldeep is a special talent but he needs to be dropped as he isn't performing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Kuldeep is a special talent but he needs to be dropped as he isn't performing.
    Probably a break will help him. Dhoni usually corrects his line on the spot. I think KL Rahul or any keeper that keeps should be pro-active in correcting. He was just bowling random stuff with no game plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Predictions are predictions. They are not always correct. I was wrong about Kuldeep but I was also right about other things, for example England winning the World Cup and our joker team getting dumped out before the semis.

    Your problem is that you celebrate prematurely when it comes India and then you go quiet when they inevitable win eventually.

    You got over-excited when the lost the first ODI to Australia last month, but then you got your answer when they won the series and whitewashed New Zealand 5-0 in the T20Is.

    Now you are getting carried away with today’s result but that doesn’t change the fact that India is a better side and should still win the series.

    Apart from England and perhaps Australia, no team is good enough to beat India in an ODI or T20I series.
    India is a better side than a NZ side witch has a bowling 'attack" of : Southee, Jamieson, Bennet, Neesham and CdG.
    But that tells you how overrated this indian team is by yourself and some others that they are still able to loose against them.
    This is an attack even someone like Hafeez would love to face. But your batting line of some GOAT and some to be GOAT's again lost against.

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    hes absolutely garbage

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    There is no legend now a days. Kuldeep, Thakur seem to be in the good books of kohli. Both have fat w.r.t. their team members and both performed poorly. But who cares, as long as the captain likes you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    India is a better side than a NZ side witch has a bowling 'attack" of : Southee, Jamieson, Bennet, Neesham and CdG.
    But that tells you how overrated this indian team is by yourself and some others that they are still able to loose against them.
    This is an attack even someone like Hafeez would love to face. But your batting line of some GOAT and some to be GOAT's again lost against.
    India is a top team. It doesn’t mean they will win every series. England the world champions are also struggling to win from a poor South African side. It doesn’t mean they aren’t number 1.

    India had an off-day with the bowl in the first ODI and off-day with the bat today. They would beat a full-strength New Zealand in a series 8/10 times.

    Congratulations to New Zealand and commiserations to India, whose status as a phenomenal team hasn’t change after 2 bad games.

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    I remember he was given a phainta by Malik during CLT20 2014. He is an average bowler who will bowl few peaches here and there in a spell.

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    @sensible-indian-fan, @Cricketjoshilla, who could replace Kuldeep and Chahal? What other talent in the spin department is there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @sensible-indian-fan, @Cricketjoshilla, who could replace Kuldeep and Chahal? What other talent in the spin department is there ?
    Some cricketers are mentioned as hopefuls/promising - don't know their real potential though.

    https://circleofcricket.com/category...r-the-future/1

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    Looks like Kuldeep was carrying an injury coming into NZ.

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    Looks like India will never have a great spinner. The decline of KulCha has been horrendous, particularly Kuldeep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Looks like India will never have a great spinner. The decline of KulCha has been horrendous, particularly Kuldeep.
    Don't write him off. On these flat bat wickets with two new balls, under lights with short boundaries anybody can be taken apart. He was never a good defensive bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Looks like India will never have a great spinner. The decline of KulCha has been horrendous, particularly Kuldeep.
    @jnaveen1980 you thought I just hated on him now you don’t even like him. Chahal may not be that good either but he’s way better than kuldeep as he showed today kuldeep lacks heart and any sportsman who lacks heart will never succeed in the long run now I have to say it like he starts crying after getting hit for sixes in ipl by a mediocre batsman called Moeen Ali. You have to be stronger than that since than he hasn’t been the same easy to say mo destroyed him. I don’t really see him making a comeback all the teams have picked him up now and thrash him. @MMHS no hard feelings brother I hope now you realize too he’s just not the miracle magician

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    Quote Originally Posted by ind_win View Post
    Some cricketers are mentioned as hopefuls/promising - don't know their real potential though.

    https://circleofcricket.com/category...r-the-future/1

    Chahar and markande are trash shhabaz is good but he’s too old I don’t think India will give him a chance. Gopal is very good he should get a go and I don’t know the other guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    @jnaveen1980 you thought I just hated on him now you don’t even like him. Chahal may not be that good either but he’s way better than kuldeep as he showed today kuldeep lacks heart and any sportsman who lacks heart will never succeed in the long run now I have to say it like he starts crying after getting hit for sixes in ipl by a mediocre batsman called Moeen Ali. You have to be stronger than that since than he hasn’t been the same easy to say mo destroyed him. I don’t really see him making a comeback all the teams have picked him up now and thrash him. @MMHS no hard feelings brother I hope now you realize too he’s just not the miracle magician
    He is carrying an injury. Spinners getting tonked around is not new. Mumbai Ranji trophy team thrashed shane warne for 111 runs in 16 overs during the 2001 tour game. Wrist spinners will be expensive. But they are still the best bet. Once he starts bowling his wrong un again he will have the same potency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    @sensible-indian-fan, @Cricketjoshilla, who could replace Kuldeep and Chahal? What other talent in the spin department is there ?
    Shreyas Gopal. He hasn't been given chances even though he has been performing superbly. Can bat too.

    Rahul Chahar.

    Some might say Krishnappa Gowtham but I don't rate his bowling (I mean it's not like he's bad but not super reliable). Will get tonked. He is a handy lower order bat.


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    Kuldeep doubts his skills ever since that horrendous IPL season. He is turning into a mental midget who looks clueless once batsmen decide to dish him some phainta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean&Green View Post
    Chahar and markande are trash shhabaz is good but he’s too old I don’t think India will give him a chance. Gopal is very good he should get a go and I don’t know the other guy
    ok, thnx


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