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    Afridi vs Ashwin in ODI since June 5, 2010 - Ashwin's debut

    This thread is dedicated to "parosies" and can't stop telling us that why Afridi should have been dropped from our ODI side long time ago. I don't know that long time means...... but let's just compare the batting/bowling stats of useless and worthless Afridi with one of their permanent, most productive and star player (Ashwin) since his debut.

    So now do you also want Ashwin out of your team also?

    So, Ashwin mades his debut on June 5th, 2010 .... and below are stats for both players since that date.




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    Because Afridi is a TTF and been playing for 16 years. He is already 35 (I doubt its his correct age) and at this age has no chance of improvement. Add to that his small brain which does not warrant an improvement either.

    Ashwin though mediocre but very promising and hardworking cricketer. Yes he is not naturally gifted like Lala but he has chance to improve his game.

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    Can we check there records minus the bang,zim,kenya,irl etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosa View Post
    Because Afridi is a TTF and been playing for 16 years.
    Generally players are selected on recent performances and not because they are playing for 16 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moosa View Post
    He is already 35 (I doubt its his correct age) and at this age has no chance of improvement. Add to that his small brain which does not warrant an improvement either.
    So you wanted him (Afridi) to start averaging 50 with the bat and take 3 wickets in each ODI?

    Most of players stay consistent as far as numbers are concerned. Very few "improve" drastically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moosa View Post
    Ashwin though mediocre but very promising and hardworking cricketer. Yes he is not naturally gifted like Lala but he has chance to improve his game.
    So it has been 3.5 years since Ashwin's debut.... and his numbers are still worse than TTF Afridi. When is he going to start showing "his promise" and start improving?


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    Re: Afridi vs Ashwin in ODI since June 5, 2010 - Ashwin's debut

    Quote Originally Posted by avicricket View Post
    Can we check there records minus the bang,zim,kenya,irl etc?
    Not Afridi fan but this is not the way to judge performances it has to be overall end of the day it is International cricket and we lost to Zimbabwe recently and bangladesh did give us very tough time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avicricket View Post
    Can we check there records minus the bang,zim,kenya,irl etc?
    Ashwin - 94 wkts at 30.53 with economy of 4.87 with strike rate of 37.5
    Afridi - 69 wkts at 35.75 with economy of 4.65 with strike rate of 46.0

    In comparison in the same period,

    Ajmal - 106 @ 24.5 @ 4.21 @ 29.1
    Hafeez - 52 @ 37.82 @ 3.89 @ 58.2
    Jadeja - 79 @ 28.30 @ 4.75 @ 35.7

    Barring Ajmal, Ashwin and Jadeja have outperformed all Pakistani spinners

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    R. Ashwin Top 8, 94 wkts @ 30.53 and 428 an 17.12
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type=allround


    Shahid afridi the top teams excluding bangladesh and Zimbambwe:
    75 wkts @ 35.97 and 1302 runs @ 22.44
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...;type=allround

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Generally players are selected on recent performances and not because they are playing for 16 years.


    So you wanted him (Afridi) to start averaging 50 with the bat and take 3 wickets in each ODI?

    Most of players stay consistent as far as numbers are concerned. Very few "improve" drastically.



    So it has been 3.5 years since Ashwin's debut.... and his numbers are still worse than TTF Afridi. When is he going to start showing "his promise" and start improving?
    Now you are arguing for the sake of arguing..that's all right.

    But here are the few points:

    1)Anybody who thinks Afridi's recent performance is good and warrant him a chance in playing XI is deluded. He should have been dropped from the side long time back. There is something more than STATS and that is RESPONSIBILITY which he lacks completely.

    2)No one asking him to avg 50+ with the bat. BUT when a team requires say 80 runs in 100 balls and he is the last batsman, he does not show a bit of maturity & throw away his wicket with his bizzare batting. I can give you countless of his irresponsible innings.The recent series against SA in UAE is the prime example.

    3)There are 2 ways to look at Ashwin (so called) mediocre performance. Yes he is not been exceptional, but he is doing the job all right. You don't chop & change when a team won WC & CT in a span of 3 years. Having said that if he fails to perform for a long time, he will definitely be dropped.
    Remember BCCI dropped players like Sehwag, Gambhir from the side?
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    Afridi was very good in 2011 as a bowler, had a bad year in 2012.
    He is also reviving himself in the recent times. Unfair to call for his head. He has been amongst the best players against SA in ODIs.

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    Ashwin is a very good batsmen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosa View Post
    Now you are arguing for the sake of arguing..that's all right.

    But here are the few points:

    1)Anybody who thinks Afridi's recent performance is good and warrant him a chance in playing XI is deluded. He should have been dropped from the side long time back. There is something more than STATS and that is RESPONSIBILITY which he lacks completely.

    2)No one asking him to avg 50+ with the bat. BUT when a team requires say 80 runs in 100 balls and he is the last batsman, he does not show a bit of maturity & throw away his wicket with his bizzare batting. I can give you countless of his irresponsible innings.The recent series against SA in UAE is the prime example.

    3)There are 2 ways to look at Ashwin (so called) mediocre performance. Yes he is not been exceptional, but he is doing the job all right. You don't chop & change when a team won WC & CT in a span of 3 years. Having said that if he fails to perform for a long time, he will definitely be dropped.
    Afridi's bowling average is 35+ against the top 8 teams, Ashwin interestingly has only played 1 match against Bangladesh and has no matches against the minnows.

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    has six 5fers & two 4fers which accounts for more than 40 wickets in 8 matches
    He is unconsistent in bowling department and because of his once in blue moon performances he has 94 wickets.

    is in the team as a batting allrounder and if you are excited by comparing his batting avg 23 with a bowler Ashwin with 17 avg then

    I don't know what's wrong with PCB & ex Pakistani players, they always praise in their interviews as if they are afraid of him and always try to lick him.

    He can't even connect bat with ball worse than Sloggers playing Gully cricket in India



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    What's ashwin like outside of Asia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    Ashwin - 94 wkts at 30.53 with economy of 4.87 with strike rate of 37.5
    Afridi - 69 wkts at 35.75 with economy of 4.65 with strike rate of 46.0

    In comparison in the same period,

    Ajmal - 106 @ 24.5 @ 4.21 @ 29.1
    Hafeez - 52 @ 37.82 @ 3.89 @ 58.2
    Jadeja - 79 @ 28.30 @ 4.75 @ 35.7

    Barring Ajmal, Ashwin and Jadeja have outperformed all Pakistani spinners

    Oops!
    oh man .. what have you done?

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    Eco rate per over for hafeez amazing. In this day and age thats just world class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    What's ashwin like outside of Asia?
    I am betting his record would be better.

    He gets thrashed in India in ODI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani pride View Post
    Eco rate per over for hafeez amazing. In this day and age thats just world class.
    That is so true.

    Considering Pak bowling which can take wickets, Hafeez value as a economical bowler is crazy.

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    Ashwin away/ neutral average is 40 wickets @ 33 in 33 matches

    Sir's away performance is 35 @ 33.62 in 31 matches

    Afridi's away performance 68 @ 33.38 in 59 matches

    Only top teams excluding zim and ban through out ashwin's career
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    I realize people have very very short memory.... but to the Pakistani experts bringing in "minnow" and "non-minnow" factor in this thread..... here is how we fared against Ireland without Afridi.....

    In 2007 they kicked us out of the World Cup....
    Under the great leadership of Misbah, they tied the first ODI..... in 2013
    ...and almost won the 2nd ODI. Thanks to Wahab's 47*, we would have LOST the series against them.

    O .... Wahab the minnow masher! Should I post Wahab's status minus minnows like Ireland...because it was useless know anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    I realize people have very very short memory.... but to the Pakistani experts bringing in "minnow" and "non-minnow" factor in this thread..... here is who we fared against Ireland without Afridi.....

    In 2007 they kicked us out of the World Cup....
    Under the great leadership of Misbah, they tied the first ODI..... in 2013
    ...and almost won the 2nd ODI. Thanks to Wahab's 47*, we would have LOST the seris against them. O .... Wahab the minnow masher!

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    OMG, We cant even beat Ireland without Afridi. Its official now, we need our certified Minnow basher in minnow games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    I realize people have very very short memory.... but to the Pakistani experts bringing in "minnow" and "non-minnow" factor in this thread..... here is how we fared against Ireland without Afridi.....

    In 2007 they kicked us out of the World Cup....
    Under the great leadership of Misbah, they tied the first ODI..... in 2013
    ...and almost won the 2nd ODI. Thanks to Wahab's 47*, we would have LOST the series against them.

    O .... Wahab the minnow masher! Should I post Wahab's status minus minnows like Ireland...because it was useless know anyway?

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    We are only trying to make a fair comparison by only including teams both have faced, Ashwin has never faced any minnow teams. He has only faced ban in 1 match.
    so if you want to compare them, then use the teams both have faced.

    And fans ask for players to be dropped every match, many want ashwin to be dropped and don't get people started on sir, poor guy has been ridiculed even when he performs.
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    Talk of dropping afridi is useless atm. I think we should gradually phase out old players and infuse younger players. so make afridi fight for no. 8 slot with bilawal as both can be claimed as bowling allrounders. depending on pitch conditions (whether it suits spinners or pacers) selection can be made also considering the form and fitness. same should go for hafeez. he should compete with hammad azam for no. 7 as batting allrounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by standardcricket View Post
    Ashwin away/ neutral average is 40 wickets @ 33 in 33 matches

    Sir's away performance is 35 @ 33.62 in 31 matches

    Afridi's away performance 68 @ 33.38 in 59 matches

    Only top teams excluding zim and ban through out ashwin's career
    So I was wrong then.

    Ashwin's average is higher in away games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by critic View Post
    Talk of dropping afridi is useless atm. I think we should gradually phase out old players and infuse younger players. so make afridi fight for no. 8 slot with bilawal as both can be claimed as bowling allrounders. depending on pitch conditions (whether it suits spinners or pacers) selection can be made also considering the form and fitness. same should go for hafeez. he should compete with hammad azam for no. 7 as batting allrounder.
    I was the one to object on Afridi's selection after CT's debacle. First, he had not done anything to get selected again... second I wanted somebody younger like Raza Hasan or Usman Qadir to be groomed for WC 2015. That did not happen. I think, there is still time to drop him and get those guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    I was the one to object on Afridi's selection after CT's debacle. First, he had not done anything to get selected again... second I wanted somebody younger like Raza Hasan or Usman Qadir to be groomed for WC 2015. That did not happen. I think, there is still time to drop him and get those guys.

    This thread is for Indian fans who strongly believe that Afridi should be dropped from our team, when they themselves voted for him ahead of Harbhajan and Kumble..... click on my signatures to find out.
    You know right its a fail thread??

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    Oh plzzzz.. ashwin has to bowl against top order batsman on flat Indian pitches whereas afridi gets to bowl to lower middleorder often on spinning tracks ...

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    Ashwin despite his heroics in test cricket does not play as an all rounder in the ODI team so comparing his batting with Afridi's batting is useless.

    Also isn't Pakistan's strength supposed to be in its bowling. It is problematic to justify Afridi's inclusion based on argument that he is a slightly better/as good as (depending on the statistic used) an Indian bowler.

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    I don't think this thread is about who is better Afridi or Aswin but more that both have similar stats and play a important role for their team.

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    First of all!

    Ashwin is mediocre in ODIs, especially with the bat but what can you ask from a number 8 anyways in ODIs unlike Afridi who comes to bat when the team has around 15-30 overs left to bat for. As for their bowling average Ashwin played mostly on Indian wickets where there is no mercy for the bowlers hence his average is on the higher side

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsivak View Post
    Ashwin despite his heroics in test cricket does not play as an all rounder in the ODI team so comparing his batting with Afridi's batting is useless.

    Also isn't Pakistan's strength supposed to be in its bowling. It is problematic to justify Afridi's inclusion based on argument that he is a slightly better/as good as (depending on the statistic used) an Indian bowler.
    +1

    Ashwin plays as sole bowler ( not an all rounder ) so comparing him with Afridi will eventually make him look good.


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    Every team would also have their specialist ball tamperers. We know that Afridi isn't Pakistans

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    OP an Indian spinner averaging 30 in ODIs is good enough for us, not sure if you guys have the same standards for your bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    OP an Indian spinner averaging 30 in ODIs is good enough for us, not sure if you guys have the same standards for your bowlers.
    True. One of the important reasons for our success in recent times is the trio of Jaddu, Bhuvi, Ash. They all avg around 30 but with an economy under 5. This means the opposition scores around 140 runs in their 30 overs. Now the other 2 (Ishant/Vinay/Dinda) even if they get a phainta and the opposition scores say 120-130 in their 20 overs the score is still 270, something we can easily chase/is less than our score. Mind you, this is an upper bound. The average score against us this year is prolly less (even taking that Oz series into account cause our bowlers have restricted opposition teams to less than par scores plenty of times this year).

    Earlier before this trio all except one or two bowlers got a phainta leading to higher scores than now so we lost more (although our W/L ratio was still greater than 1).

    For all the talk of Kohli,Dhawan etc, we always had good batsmen in ODIs (SRT, Dravid, Gangu, Sehwag, Gambo, Yuvi, MSD etc). But we never showed this kind of dominance coz the bowlers usually got phaintas.

    Now with the arrival of Shami, the trio can become a quartet. One more similar bowler (to replace the 3rd seamer. Maybe Mohit Sharma) and our W/L ratio will touch 4.00 or something (compared to the 2.xx it is now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    True. One of the important reasons for our success in recent times is the trio of Jaddu, Bhuvi, Ash. They all avg around 30 but with an economy under 5. This means the opposition scores around 140 runs in their 30 overs. Now the other 2 (Ishant/Vinay/Dinda) even if they get a phainta and the opposition scores say 120-130 in their 20 overs the score is still 270, something we can easily chase/is less than our score. Mind you, this is an upper bound. The average score against us this year is prolly less (even taking that Oz series into account cause our bowlers have restricted opposition teams to less than par scores plenty of times this year).

    Earlier before this trio all except one or two bowlers got a phainta leading to higher scores than now so we lost more (although our W/L ratio was still greater than 1).

    For all the talk of Kohli,Dhawan etc, we always had good batsmen in ODIs (SRT, Dravid, Gangu, Sehwag, Gambo, Yuvi, MSD etc). But we never showed this kind of dominance coz the bowlers usually got phaintas.

    Now with the arrival of Shami, the trio can become a quartet. One more similar bowler (to replace the 3rd seamer. Maybe Mohit Sharma) and our W/L ratio will touch 4.00 or something (compared to the 2.xx it is now).
    it doesnt matter if ishant gets blasted 30 runs in over x 5 times...you will eventually chase the target by 9 wickets remaining


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    Every team would also have their specialist ball tamperers. We know that Afridi isn't Pakistans

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    Quote Originally Posted by syedtumair View Post
    it doesnt matter if ishant gets blasted 30 runs in over x 5 times...you will eventually chase the target by 9 wickets remaining
    Just saying that even the matches we lost due to Ishant/Vinay, no matter how less will not be lost now. eg Ind-Aus 3rd ODI where Faulkner blasted 30 off Ishant. If it were a slightly better bowler we would have won the series 4-1 instead of 3-2.

    But agree with your statement in a way: Most of the times Ishant/Vinay don't do as much damage that we lose. eg CT2013 vs WI - Sammy slaughtered Ishant but Jadeja/Dhawan/Rohit ensured we get an easy win. Another example would be CT2013 final where Jadeja/Kohli/Ashwin ensured we win in spite of Ishant. Now with the dropping of Ishant/Vinay even the rare ones we lost we'll win now.
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    Ashwin is overrated. Any decent spinner can have success if the wicket is a rank turner. Best spinners get wickets on pitches that take hardly any turn and Ashwin is a flop at that. Just watch how he will be exposed on tours to SA soon and later to NZ and England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Ashwin is overrated. Any decent spinner can have success if the wicket is a rank turner. Best spinners get wickets on pitches that take hardly any turn and Ashwin is a flop at that. Just watch how he will be exposed on tours to SA soon and later to NZ and England.
    We're talking ODI records here.
    Ashwin has only played in England out of the three you mentioned and averages 23.71 there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    We're talking ODI records here.
    Ashwin has only played in England out of the three you mentioned and averages 23.71 there.
    And that includes ODIs "newcomer"


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    Another thread by the OP to try and justify afridis position in the pakistan team Hes making a habit of these silly comparison threads

    Whats the point in comparing afridi with ashwin when they play for different teams, have different roles and the teams are of differing strengths?

    FYI ashwin has batted at 8 for the majority of his innings not 7 or over like afridi, he isnt needed as much to make runs like afridi, bowling wise he hasnt feasted on non-minnows like afridi and gone missing against the big boys also he is several years younger than afridi

    I suggest the OP stops these silly comparison threads every other day to try and justify his fav players inclusion and instead weighs up his stats according to the team he is playing in and role he is designated
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    to the op,Afridi has 10 years of cricket ahead of him ....congratulations

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    I am waiting for the Phantom vs Afridi thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    And that includes ODIs "newcomer"
    But then how has he been "exposed" in England if the only format he has played there he has done well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    But then how has he been "exposed" in England if the only format he has played there he has done well?
    Energetic is just an energetic troll, he has been doing this in every thread with an Indian player comparison lately.

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    Afridi is better than ashwin and all other indian spinners. If that means he will keep playing for pakistan then good luck.


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    Like it or not Afridi is the only match winner in Pakistan team. He very very inconsisten. That's the reason Pakistan hardly win anything. sad but that's true reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric View Post
    Like it or not Afridi is the only match winner in Pakistan team. He very very inconsisten. That's the reason Pakistan hardly win anything. sad but that's true reality.
    So Ajmal had absolutely nothing to do with this series win in SA. Junaid had nothing to do with it. Youngsters like Ali and Bilawal who fought hard after Afridi threw his wicket away had nothing to do with the wins. It was all Afridi.


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    BTW, Ashwin is currently ranked 14 in ICC ODIs while Afridi is ranked 29th. But it is the same thing I guess

    Also India ODI pitches are hardly spin friendly whereas UAE definitely is. Add a generous dose of minnows and you will know why their stats look the same
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    Ashwin - 94 wkts at 30.53 with economy of 4.87 with strike rate of 37.5
    Afridi - 69 wkts at 35.75 with economy of 4.65 with strike rate of 46.0

    In comparison in the same period,

    Ajmal - 106 @ 24.5 @ 4.21 @ 29.1
    Hafeez - 52 @ 37.82 @ 3.89 @ 58.2
    Jadeja - 79 @ 28.30 @ 4.75 @ 35.7

    Barring Ajmal, Ashwin and Jadeja have outperformed all Pakistani spinners

    Oops!
    That put an end to OP's theory.

    Add to this the fact that Ashwin is starting his career and Afridi is hopefully ending it, and you can truly see Afridi's career in the right light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    So Ajmal had absolutely nothing to do with this series win in SA. Junaid had nothing to do with it. Youngsters like Ali and Bilawal who fought hard after Afridi threw his wicket away had nothing to do with the wins. It was all Afridi.
    this is true. The series was won because of Ajmal, Junaid, Bhatti, Anwar and Afridi. Afridi certainly played a part with the ball, but he batted poorly once again. Not good enough for a number 7.

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    The sooner people realize that Afridi is a frontline bowler who can occasionally contribute with the bat, the better.

    Bowling is his specialty, and he's been pretty consistent at it for some time now. He's getting on and will be gone soon enough so enjoy an icon while you can. He'll be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    Ashwin - 94 wkts at 30.53 with economy of 4.87 with strike rate of 37.5
    Afridi - 69 wkts at 35.75 with economy of 4.65 with strike rate of 46.0

    In comparison in the same period,

    Ajmal - 106 @ 24.5 @ 4.21 @ 29.1
    Hafeez - 52 @ 37.82 @ 3.89 @ 58.2
    Jadeja - 79 @ 28.30 @ 4.75 @ 35.7

    Barring Ajmal, Ashwin and Jadeja have outperformed all Pakistani spinners

    Oops!
    because India have good batting so the opposition have to hit out because most of the time they will need to chase 320+ or at least get 350ish for a defendable score. Most of ashwins wickets are just tailenders or when players go for slogs kmowing their need for quickfire runs while Our bowlers wickets are skill based

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    because India have good batting so the opposition have to hit out because most of the time they will need to chase 320+ or at least get 350ish for a defendable score. Most of ashwins wickets are just tailenders or when players go for slogs kmowing their need for quickfire runs while Our bowlers wickets are skill based
    Who told you that?

    Most of his ODI wickets recently are top order batsman barring 1 or 2 matches here and there.

    Anyways, whatever tickles your fancy.

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    what on earth do their statistics relative to each other have to do whether they should be selected for their respective sides? each player is competing against the talent in their own countries for a place, not against individuals in another country.

    completely pointless thread, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewIndianDynasty View Post
    Ashwin - 94 wkts at 30.53 with economy of 4.87 with strike rate of 37.5
    Afridi - 69 wkts at 35.75 with economy of 4.65 with strike rate of 46.0

    In comparison in the same period,

    Ajmal - 106 @ 24.5 @ 4.21 @ 29.1
    Hafeez - 52 @ 37.82 @ 3.89 @ 58.2
    Jadeja - 79 @ 28.30 @ 4.75 @ 35.7

    Barring Ajmal, Ashwin and Jadeja have outperformed all Pakistani spinners

    Oops!
    I think Pakistani spinners have almost all of their games played away from home. It would be nice to see what was the "away" performance of Indian spinners in the last three years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBird View Post
    I think Pakistani spinners have almost all of their games played away from home. It would be nice to see what was the "away" performance of Indian spinners in the last three years?
    Expect the fact that UAE wickets help spinners ten times than ODI wickets in India


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    Pakistan has much better spinners than India that's the fact according to the stats. Indian spinners need the pitch to help their spinners whilst Pakistani spinners don't hence the Indian spinners are overrated. Don't blame me just look at the stats of Indian spinners overseas very poor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Pakistan has much better spinners than India that's the fact according to the stats. Indian spinners need the pitch to help their spinners whilst Pakistani spinners don't hence the Indian spinners are overrated. Don't blame me just look at the stats of Indian spinners overseas very poor.
    only thing is best spinner in the team would wear full sleeve shirt everytime he bowls

    BTW its BCrap that Pakistan spinners dont expect pitch to assist them. Do you want me to open up the excuse thread when they failed to defend 330+ runs on flat wickets?

    Also its naive to think pitches in UAE dont help spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Pakistan has much better spinners than India that's the fact according to the stats. Indian spinners need the pitch to help their spinners whilst Pakistani spinners don't hence the Indian spinners are overrated. Don't blame me just look at the stats of Indian spinners overseas very poor.
    UAE pitches spin ten times more than Indian ODI pitches. Now you can spin this any way you want but in the end your statement in completely wrong. Indian ODI pitches don't turn at all


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Pakistan has much better spinners than India that's the fact according to the stats. Indian spinners need the pitch to help their spinners whilst Pakistani spinners don't hence the Indian spinners are overrated. Don't blame me just look at the stats of Indian spinners overseas very poor.
    Thats an illusion. Clear it from your brain please.


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    this is like arguing over whether george clooney or ben affleck will play the better batman

    Neither of them are particularly world class spinners of the bowl
    They're both medium pacers just like kumble was


    UAE pitches spin ten times more than Indian ODI pitches. Now you can spin this any way you want but in the end your statement in completely wrong. Indian ODI pitches don't turn at all
    Jadeja and yuvraj must get wickets because of their pure deception and guile then


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Thats an illusion. Clear it from your brain please.
    Didn't Pakistan beat India in India last year?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    Didn't Pakistan beat India in India last year?
    If I remember correctly then both set of spinners bowled well on that surface but I don't think that series was won due to spin bowling. It was mostly Pakistani fast bowlers doing the damage upfront and picking plenty of wickets.

    Indian pitches also turn in ODIs. I have seen that many times. It's fine to say that they turn less than UAE but they do turn. We can't take last Ind-Aus series as representative of all Indian pitches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Who told you that?

    Most of his ODI wickets recently are top order batsman barring 1 or 2 matches here and there.

    Anyways, whatever tickles your fancy.
    Pakistan defended 218 while india lost after scoring 228. Who is sa's best batsman, de villiers. And afridi got him out. Ashwin once under pressure cant do anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by standardcricket View Post
    Ashwin away/ neutral average is 40 wickets @ 33 in 33 matches

    Sir's away performance is 35 @ 33.62 in 31 matches

    Afridi's away performance 68 @ 33.38 in 59 matches

    Only top teams excluding zim and ban through out ashwin's career
    Very poor performance by Ash, he's poor away and if he's poor at home too then he's clearly not performing well.

    As for ICC ranking, Hafeez tops the ranking for AR..oh well!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    OP an Indian spinner averaging 30 in ODIs is good enough for us, not sure if you guys have the same standards for your bowlers.

    Actually it shouldn't be good for you atll, as you have a rich history of spinners, even better than Pak.

    As for Afridi, if it was b/w Afridi and Ashwin in OD, i would have gone with Afridi, but when Pak have Raza Hassan,Zulfi and others, afridi simply doesn't deserve a spot.Afridi can't bat but is played in team as an AR rather than purely as a bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    Pakistan defended 218 while india lost after scoring 228. Who is sa's best batsman, de villiers. And afridi got him out. Ashwin once under pressure cant do anything
    What am I talking about and what are you talking about?

    Ashwin got the best set batsman of WI in the last 2 ODI's.

    On current form, I agree Afridi > Ashwin but please...don't start this Indian spinners need conducive pitches and your spinner don't.

    This is the biggest problem with some of you guys.

    You guys over-rate Pak bowling (which is great by the way) to the point that you lose objectivity.

    If you guys were to play on Indian pattas you would also have gone for runs.

    Eg - Dhaka 330 chase.

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    Unfortunately the better spinners in R Hassan and Zulfi aren't in the team and Afridi gets to play in the team all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abidi110 View Post
    Very poor performance by Ash, he's poor away and if he's poor at home too then he's clearly not performing well.

    As for ICC ranking, Hafeez tops the ranking for AR..oh well
    !!
    He is second now, below sakib who has played just 3 ODIs this yeaer, and he did not really perform well in those 3 ODIs.

    Just goes to show how poor Hafeez has performed

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    Before the SA series I was all for dropping Afridi as he seemed out of sorts.

    But people who do not recognise the fact that his contributions with the ball helped us win a few games against one of the top 3 teams in the World are just being unfair.

    The guy deserves to keep his spot as a main spinner.

    Anything he scores is a bonus. The fact he has 2 hundreds and 5 50s in the period the OP is studying is quite something.


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