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    The UFC Thread

    MMA legend Anderson Silva lost for the second straight match to Chirs Weidman. Silva was the 12 time defending champion and a huge favorite before losing to Weidman the first time in a fight that many people thought Weidman was very lucky to win. Once again tonight Silva was the unanimous favorite but Weidman dominated the first round and in the second round Silva attempted a vicious kick which landed on Weidman but in the process the impact broke Silva's leg in half and Weidman once again emerged victorious. Unfortunate way to end for the 38 year Silva which many suspect would not be able to make a comeback after this injury. The fight was one of the most anticipated fights in UFC history.



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    What a sad ending for the greatest ever.

    Can't see him coming back, even if he does, he will probably be 40.


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    One of the true greats of MMA, silvas record is unmatched. He should retire with his head held high, he got nothing left to prove. I am sure there will be the temptation of a third fight with Weidman but health is the real wealth here, he should think carefully before considering his next move.


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    That was a nasty leg break.

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    Sadly i think his career is over.

    Absolute legend. I still remember his UFC debut fondly when he absolutely blasted a cocky Chris Leben in a minute..


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    That must have hurt.

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    Brilliant fighter and good human being,he can still make comeback though


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    Is there a vid I could watch to get the basics down?

    I'm new to UFC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Is there a vid I could watch to get the basics down?

    I'm new to UFC.
    Probably best just watching a fight. Joe Rogan is very good at explaining different positions and situations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Is there a vid I could watch to get the basics down?

    I'm new to UFC.
    I managed to find you this video for the basic rules in UFC fights, pretty good simple stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PG2bygtbWU

    Was trying to find a general video to help you identify with striking, grappling plus gound and pound but could not. The best way to familiarize with the sport is to watch loads of MMA fights, you will already have an idea of some of the grapples and submissions


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    Watch a ufc PPV or torrent an older one.

    Or just ask me. I've been following MMA for 10 years.


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    When did you get into MMA shaz?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    When did you get into MMA shaz?
    I've been a casual fan for about 4-5 years.

    I had taken some classes in MMA which first introduced me to the sport kinda liked the whole idea of the ground game and how fighters combine so many different styles in their
    arsenal.

    I got into UFC watching a fight where Anderson da Silva had his opponent in body scissors while striking his head with elbows, was like what a mad b@stard was an absolute beast at his peak.

    Frank mir is my favourite fighter though i like submission specialists guy made someone submit with a toe hold once , not going great for him at the moment though. I feel he was never the same fighter again after the loss to brock lesnar, and i wonder how things would have been had it not been for mortorbike accident, never got the chance to defend the world title.
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    Who is your favourite space puss? and what do you make of brock lesnars short career in MMA


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    Rashad Evans is probably my all time favorite. I'm a big Anderson Silva fan too

    Jose Aldo who i followed coming up the WEC ranks and beasting the UFC Featherweight division.

    Also obviously Mark Hunt being an absolute legend from NZ. I followed K1 a lot when i was a kid and sort of got into MMA when Japan had their crossover shows with Pride FC.

    I even flew to Sydney to go to UFC 110. Was amazing.
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    Brock was a little bit of a money making gimmick by the UFC and also to steal from WWE's fanbase.

    However he was a legit fighter with a legit Amateur wrestling background and could had had a longer career if it wasn't for his intestinal problems which robbed him of a lot of speed when he came back from the surgery. He was also very awkward at striking and being so big made him an easy target.

    Not just anybody can come into MMA so late like that and be successful like brock did. Just look at what happened to Bobby Lashley and Batista. They got smashed by fat cans.
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    I like Frank Mir too and he has been a beast over the years. The Heavyweight division has kind of left him behind now and he hasn't evolved his game to keep up.

    My mind was blown when he snapped Big Nogs arm.


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    Space Puss proper hardcore MMA fan then haha, i've watched some K1 fights on youtube but not really followed anyone from that promotion.

    Rashad Evans has an impressive record, hated him for beating Tito Ortiz use to follow ortiz quiet a bit was one of the biggest box office star ever in UFC he got many new fans interested in MMA. Wow i wonder what the atmosphere must have actually been like at a UFC event? how does it compare to say a boxing contest, i assume the fans must be more aggresive.

    They really promoted him well didnt they loved his pre-fight interviews, do you believe that they had to design special gloves for him because his hands were so big? He moved so fast though for such a big guy before the intenstinal problems. Apparently i read an article which said he is more healthy now and that they wouldnt rule out a return to the UFC, its unlikely given the laid back nature of his current WWE contract but anything is possible, randy couture was like 45 and still fighting in the octagon what an animal.

    Submission machine, just love the way he applies so many different holds so beautifully it just looks so good when he does them his technique is out of this world, wish he was a more complete fighter.
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    Atmosphere was awesome. It was the first show in Aussie and MMA was just kicking off there so it was mostly hardcore fans like me from Aus and NZ.

    The view is awesome too even when you are quiet far back. The only issues are sometimes the groundgame is hard to pick up although the big screens solve that. Also randomly met Royce Gracie outside after the event and spoke to him for about 10 seconds before everybody else recognized him and he got mobbed lol.


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    Pretty rubbish photo becuase its so dark in there and my camera sucked but hes a photo i took from my seat of the legend Wanderlei Silva before his fight with Bisping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    Atmosphere was awesome. It was the first show in Aussie and MMA was just kicking off there so it was mostly hardcore fans like me from Aus and NZ.

    The view is awesome too even when you are quiet far back. The only issues are sometimes the groundgame is hard to pick up although the big screens solve that. Also randomly met Royce Gracie outside after the event and spoke to him for about 10 seconds before everybody else recognized him and he got mobbed lol.
    Sounds like you had a great time, will go to a UFC event if they ever come n the UK. Lol did you question his use off steroids? haha, he was like the manny pacquio of UFC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    Pretty rubbish photo becuase its so dark in there and my camera sucked but hes a photo i took from my seat of the legend Wanderlei Silva before his fight with Bisping.

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    Great Pic, you had an awesome view from there.


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    Space puss what is the best site to watch UFC PPV on the net, can't seem to find UFC 169 event anywhere online. It's great that the official UFC site lets us watch some old fights for free though.


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    The best way is to torrent it. Its usually listed under tv shows.

    sites like mmashare you can watch the individual fights but its terrible quality most of the time.


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    Can't torrent here what are the alternatives?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Can't torrent here what are the alternatives?
    Some events are on sky sports for free. The PPVs are on sky for 20 odd dollars.

    There is websites where u can watch the individual fights but they are not always the best quality.

    There is some good MMA fights on youtube though although not UFC. Ill find some.


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    Found a UFC main event from a few years ago. UFC Debut of legendary Cro Cop. You will need to skip to about 9min mark to see fight.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrGrA3nJpCk


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    Love the videos on utube, the most recent UFC events have been a bit boring. The Card lacks star power, brock lesnar should come back


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    Jesus Christ Space Puss, what is the woman made off? Lord have mercy on those who cross her path

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo4hyi7rssw


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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLid-W_SPHo

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    Kimbo Slice was always going to fail in octagon but i had hoped he would have adjusted to different fighting styles, he should have just pursued boxing early in his life. The only thing he had a talent for was bare knuckle boxing


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    Thank god he never had to face shamrock, he'd have killed him


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    After a long time a decent UFC card. Can't wait!!!

    Pettis vs Melendez should be beauty.

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    @Aman News that CM Punk will most likely be participating in the middleweight or welter division doesn't improve his prospects so much given that's its the most lethal division in the UFC with the best MMA fighters on the planet lol Michael Bisping, Chris Weidman, Robbie Lawler, Carlos Condit and Anderson Silva. Being extremely ambitious, i'd say if he trains hard and takes this seriously maybe he can be a contender at best and that would be a miracle. But for now i think Punk will most likely face mid card level guys with a similar record in the main event of UFC cards, it should do good business.


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    @Aman many UFC fighters calling Punk out, that payday yo.


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    Probably licking their lips at a chance of beating a mediocre overhyped ' wrestler '

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @Aman many UFC fighters calling Punk out, that payday yo.
    We should call him out too, we're both 0-0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanny View Post
    Probably licking their lips at a chance of beating a mediocre overhyped ' wrestler '
    Second biggest WWE superstar of this decade without any support. Cry moar.

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    His hype doesnt make him any good. The fighters there are going to get any respect for beating punk. Its not something you would proudly show off on your resume.

    Its just a publicity stunt for the ufc who are trying to make money off the punktards out there.

    In a couple of months punk would be back b!tching about ufc & giving an interview about how he isnt getting his spot d/t xyz reason while ignoring that he's a glorified botcher.

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    Lets all have a laugh at WWE fans. Poor fellows are already lining up the excuses for their once "superstar" who will get embarrassed by actual fighters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    Lets all have a laugh at WWE fans. Poor fellows are already lining up the excuses for their once "superstar" who will get embarrassed by actual fighters.
    Doesn't matter, he'll forever be known as a UFC fighter. Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    Lets all have a laugh at WWE fans. Poor fellows are already lining up the excuses for their once "superstar" who will get embarrassed by actual fighters.
    LOL dude you expect pro-wrestling fans to be optimistic about Punk who has no professional MMA experience lmao, no one is making excuses it is what it is. No saying punk is a lesnar but we all know how that fake wrestling guy made you arrogant UFC fans humble.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swanny View Post
    His hype doesnt make him any good. The fighters there are going to get any respect for beating punk. Its not something you would proudly show off on your resume.

    Its just a publicity stunt for the ufc who are trying to make money off the punktards out there.

    In a couple of months punk would be back b!tching about ufc & giving an interview about how he isnt getting his spot d/t xyz reason while ignoring that he's a glorified botcher.
    Everyone wants a payday the fighters are eager to fight punk, too bad dana did not hesitate in signing punk given the lack of star appeal during his cards when it comes to those filler PPVs.

    No shitt Sherlock! as a promoter you want to maximize your profits, this guy has gone full ****** here at least have the audacity to even make a little effort in backing up your garbage points.

    And guess what! Punk will also capitalize on the nonsensical garbage which comes from his mentally challenged haters keep it up! It must hurt that he's bigger then wrestling now, apply that sudo cream please that bum is still sore i see


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    LOL dude you expect pro-wrestling fans to be optimistic about Punk who has no professional MMA experience lmao, no one is making excuses it is what it is. No saying punk is a lesnar but we all know how that fake wrestling guy made you arrogant UFC fans humble.
    I sure do remember. Lesnar can be excused due to his successful college wrestling days but this punk will get punked.

    Just to refresh your memory and have one last laugh at WWE fans



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    I sure do remember. Lesnar can be excused due to his successful college wrestling days but this punk will get punked.

    Just to refresh your memory and have one last laugh at WWE fans

    No one is saying that Punk will win world titles etc in UFC that's you, i think you can't seem to deal with the intelligent realistic expectations of wrestling fans unlike MMAtards.






    Have some shame, a guy that was never 100% fighting with diverticulitis for his entire MMA career, a guy with limited MMA experience with only his college wrestling going for him absolutely destroyed fighters that were beyond him in devastating fashion yet you have the knack of disregarding his achievements in the UFC glad how lesnar bent all you arrogant MMAtards over in spectacular fashion. Lesnar made a mockery of the heavyweight division no fighter will ever make an impact like he did in such a short amount of time, you are lucky he never got into the sport a lot earlier because no one would have been able to even compete with him.

    Say What?





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    No one is saying that Punk will win world titles etc in UFC that's you, i think you can't seem to deal with the intelligent realistic expectations of wrestling fans unlike MMAtards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Have some shame, a guy that was never 100% fighting with diverticulitis for his entire MMA career, a guy with limited MMA experience with only his college wrestling going for him absolutely destroyed fighters that were beyond him in devastating fashion yet you have the knack of disregarding his achievements in the UFC glad how lesnar bent all you arrogant MMAtards over in spectacular fashion. Lesnar made a mockery of the heavyweight division no fighter will ever make an impact like he did in such a short amount of time, you are lucky he never got into the sport a lot earlier because no one would have been able to even compete with him.

    Say What?



    Clearly don't know what you're talking about. Mockery of the heavyweight divison? How? Beating an old man Randy Couture who is like 50 pounds lighter. Beating an overweight Frank Mir. Beating Shane Carwin when the fight should've been stopped but Carwin used too much energy in the first 3 minutes of the fight. None of these represent a mockery of the heavyweight division, he got lucky and I'll admit that he is extremely gifted as an athlete. At the same time, when he went up against Cain it was like watching a child fighting a man, seriously. Cain played with him, and showed that if Brock can't take you down to the ground, he's basically a useless fighter. Many guys in the heavyweight division would beat him. Alistair Overeem toyed with him and Overeem's ranked at #10...


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    I cannot stop laughing at WWE fans. Lets all enjoy this

    Cannot wait for Punk to realize what a real punch feels like


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Have some shame, a guy that was never 100% fighting with diverticulitis for his entire MMA career, a guy with limited MMA experience with only his college wrestling going for him absolutely destroyed fighters that were beyond him in devastating fashion yet you have the knack of disregarding his achievements in the UFC glad how lesnar bent all you arrogant MMAtards over in spectacular fashion. Lesnar made a mockery of the heavyweight division no fighter will ever make an impact like he did in such a short amount of time, you are lucky he never got into the sport a lot earlier because no one would have been able to even compete with him.

    Say What?



    BTW you do realize that Anderson Silva came into the UFC KO one guy, fought the Champ KO him out then proceeded to have the longest winning streak in UFC history....if anyone has made a big impact in a short time it's him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    BTW you do realize that Anderson Silva came into the UFC KO one guy, fought the Champ KO him out then proceeded to have the longest winning streak in UFC history....if anyone has made a big impact in a short time it's him.
    No denying Anderson Silva is the greatest UFC fighter in history and nothing lesnar has done compares to him. But it would be extremely silly to say that he made as big an impact lesnar did in such a short amount of time especially when u take into account things like the number of fights Lesnar had priopr to joining the UFC and how long he'd been training in MMA, then you look at the illness he was figthing with and the record breaking box office numbers which have never been matches then you have a unique fighter who made an impact which can never be replicated or has been, lesnar is a freak of nature.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Clearly don't know what you're talking about. Mockery of the heavyweight divison? How? Beating an old man Randy Couture who is like 50 pounds lighter. Beating an overweight Frank Mir. Beating Shane Carwin when the fight should've been stopped but Carwin used too much energy in the first 3 minutes of the fight. None of these represent a mockery of the heavyweight division, he got lucky and I'll admit that he is extremely gifted as an athlete. At the same time, when he went up against Cain it was like watching a child fighting a man, seriously. Cain played with him, and showed that if Brock can't take you down to the ground, he's basically a useless fighter. Many guys in the heavyweight division would beat him. Alistair Overeem toyed with him and Overeem's ranked at #10...
    Like i said before you are talking about a fighter that got into the sport late, fighting with an illness, little MMA experience only college wrestling going for him, took on some serious challenges from the word go was thrown in the deep end and despite all of that he became a UFC world champion and the biggest draw in UFC history. I do call that making a mockery of the heavyweight division because Lesnar on paper should never have even got within an arms length of all those incredible feats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    I cannot stop laughing at WWE fans. Lets all enjoy this

    Cannot wait for Punk to realize what a real punch feels like

    Punk's prospects don't look good, regardless he will make money of your abject hatred

    Ha it must hurt that a guy that was expected to be destroyed owned the heavyweight division despite all the factors that were against him, looks like the pain you felt from brocks success hurts to this day it's good becasue genrally you MMA fans are so arrogant it's unbelievable.

    What about KEN Shamrock? he's a fake wrestling guy to isn't he? #MMATards


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    No denying Anderson Silva is the greatest UFC fighter in history and nothing lesnar has done compares to him. But it would be extremely silly to say that he made as big an impact lesnar did in such a short amount of time especially when u take into account things like the number of fights Lesnar had priopr to joining the UFC and how long he'd been training in MMA, then you look at the illness he was figthing with and the record breaking box office numbers which have never been matches then you have a unique fighter who made an impact which can never be replicated or has been, lesnar is a freak of nature.
    Not in terms of box-office or media hype. I'm talking about impacting the UFC in terms of taking over. Becoming the greatest fighter within the sport within the blink of an eye. Lesnar impacted hype and the amount of money that the sports makes but in terms of also the amount of fighters who have been inspired within around the world to Silva's abilities, it isn't a question as to how has made the bigger impact within the UFC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Not in terms of box-office or media hype. I'm talking about impacting the UFC in terms of taking over. Becoming the greatest fighter within the sport within the blink of an eye. Lesnar impacted hype and the amount of money that the sports makes but in terms of also the amount of fighters who have been inspired within around the world to Silva's abilities, it isn't a question as to how has made the bigger impact within the UFC.
    I find it insane that after all this time Lesnar has still not earned the respect of you MMA fans despite all he achieved when you look at the obstacles he overcomed, had this guy been 100% and started out in MMA he'd totally annihilate everyone.

    By no means am i suggesting that he is an all time MMA great


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I find it insane that after all this time Lesnar has still not earned the respect of you MMA fans despite all he achieved when you look at the obstacles he overcomed, had this guy been 100% and started out in MMA he'd totally annihilate everyone.

    By no means am i suggesting that he is an all time MMA great
    He's got my respect. But the amount of over-hype that's given by WWE fans is ridiculous. He didn't come in and destroy the heavyweight division. He was lucky to get a shot at the title after one decision win against a loser, he had two fights where he beat Mir and Carwin that I give him respect for. Other than that, the got KO'ed in his last 2 fights and once he realized he had no chance to actually compete he ran back to the WWE.

    Believe it or not I actually liked Lesnar when he was champ but damn, if you lost you're title and then lost the next fight. To run away proves he was afraid to fight and knew he was going to get merked by real contenders. The heavyweight division is a lot stronger now than it was when Lesnar was champ, everyone in the top 10 would either KO him or submit him.

    He's a very one-dimensional fighter, if he can't get a takedown, or he gets taken down. He has no chance. Being an MMA fan means you like mixed-martial arts, Lesnar was a strong wrestler and the reason he never was a consistent MMA competitor is because he never embodied all of the facets included in MMA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    He's got my respect. But the amount of over-hype that's given by WWE fans is ridiculous. He didn't come in and destroy the heavyweight division. He was lucky to get a shot at the title after one decision win against a loser, he had two fights where he beat Mir and Carwin that I give him respect for. Other than that, the got KO'ed in his last 2 fights and once he realized he had no chance to actually compete he ran back to the WWE.

    Believe it or not I actually liked Lesnar when he was champ but damn, if you lost you're title and then lost the next fight. To run away proves he was afraid to fight and knew he was going to get merked by real contenders. The heavyweight division is a lot stronger now than it was when Lesnar was champ, everyone in the top 10 would either KO him or submit him.

    He's a very one-dimensional fighter, if he can't get a takedown, or he gets taken down. He has no chance. Being an MMA fan means you like mixed-martial arts, Lesnar was a strong wrestler and the reason he never was a consistent MMA competitor is because he never embodied all of the facets included in MMA.
    If you are speaking of me am not over-hyping him am just putting out there what he achieved in the circumstances that he did and that for me incredible unless any bloke can enter the UFC and achieve the same? and i'd like to think that most pro wrestling fans feel the same. No one in their right mind would have expected him to dominate the division given the circumstances of his ambition but he exceeded the expectations of the MMA community in a way which will never be replicated. He is 100% healthy now i am pretty sure that he'd have a better run this time round if he makes a jump to the UFC, there are rumors he might join next year when his contract with WWE expires.

    And yes he's not exactly the most versatile fighter around its all about his presence in the octagon and taking advantage of his speed and power given his size, but he did pretty well enough for himself the guys you are expecting him to fight like who are better all round heavyweights had been training in MMA for years unlike Lesnar so it's important to keep that in mind when analyzing him as a fighter.


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    Its not worth reasoning with WWE fans. These guys actually believe WWE records are real. Just look at the fans reaction in this video #gulliblenerds




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    I think MMA fans underrate Lesnar's tenure in the UFC too much while using the argument that fans overhype him as a heavyweight great when that's not true, no fighter in Lesnars shoes can or will achieve what he did given the circumstances of his run. Punk is a perfect anti-example to lesnars run in the UFC, why not give him the big fights and throw him in the deep end from the word go? Punk still has a background in jiujitsu but just like Lesnar extremely inexperienced MMA fighter. Punk will never acheive even half of what Lesnar did and his tenure will perhaps gain Lesnar more respect because it will put in perspective what he was able to achieve despite the obstacles he faced


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    If you are speaking of me am not over-hyping him am just putting out there what he achieved in the circumstances that he did and that for me incredible unless any bloke can enter the UFC and achieve the same? and i'd like to think that most pro wrestling fans feel the same. No one in their right mind would have expected him to dominate the division given the circumstances of his ambition but he exceeded the expectations of the MMA community in a way which will never be replicated. He is 100% healthy now i am pretty sure that he'd have a better run this time round if he makes a jump to the UFC, there are rumors he might join next year when his contract with WWE expires.

    And yes he's not exactly the most versatile fighter around its all about his presence in the octagon and taking advantage of his speed and power given his size, but he did pretty well enough for himself the guys you are expecting him to fight like who are better all round heavyweights had been training in MMA for years unlike Lesnar so it's important to keep that in mind when analyzing him as a fighter.
    See that's another misconception of many fans. Jon Jones didn't start training MMA when he was 19. He entered the UFC basically a year later and went on to become the greatest MMA fighter today. Shane Carwin is an engineer and started fighting on the side and eventually became a title contender. Rich Franklin was a teacher, not all these fighters are full-time fighters their just really talented.

    Actually Lesnar had been wrestling since he was a kid, was an all-american wrestler and could've wrestled in the Olympics. His story is the same as Chael Sonnen. But Sonnen beat more impressive fighters and was half a round away from beating Anderson Silva. You guys think that Lesnar is the only one to do what he did. It's completely wrong, I'm not saying you're a WWE fan or whatever but man, Lesnar's good and all but there's people who've done similar things but have been even more successful as fighters. Jon Jones and Rich Franklin as an example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    Its not worth reasoning with WWE fans. These guys actually believe WWE records are real. Just look at the fans reaction in this video #gulliblenerds



    It's like a soap opera, TV series or a Movie but someone who is ******** and ignorant will fail to understand the concept of suspension of disbelief, a story is being told and there are characters being portrayed by the superstars but you must be completely mentally disabled not to see that

    And btw

    The greatest fighter in MMA history KEN SHAMROCK was a fake wrestling guy so much for being the arrogant MMAtard that is a die hard fan of the "tough" stuff right? Ken found life as a pro-wrestler 10x harder then anything he did in the UFC and that's confirmed from by him


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    See that's another misconception of many fans. Jon Jones didn't start training MMA when he was 19. He entered the UFC basically a year later and went on to become the greatest MMA fighter today. Shane Carwin is an engineer and started fighting on the side and eventually became a title contender. Rich Franklin was a teacher, not all these fighters are full-time fighters their just really talented.

    Actually Lesnar had been wrestling since he was a kid, was an all-american wrestler and could've wrestled in the Olympics. His story is the same as Chael Sonnen. But Sonnen beat more impressive fighters and was half a round away from beating Anderson Silva. You guys think that Lesnar is the only one to do what he did. It's completely wrong, I'm not saying you're a WWE fan or whatever but man, Lesnar's good and all but there's people who've done similar things but have been even more successful as fighters. Jon Jones and Rich Franklin as an example.
    But like you said wrestling is only one part of ones armoury Lesnar was a one dimensional fighter with his NCAA background being the only foundations he had to build on, Shane Carwin and those guys did not have to go through the wear and tear of being a pro-wrestler and nor were they suffering from diverticulitis and even then experience wise they were better prepared then Lesnar for the world of MMA in general


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I think MMA fans underrate Lesnar's tenure in the UFC too much while using the argument that fans overhype him as a heavyweight great when that's not true, no fighter in Lesnars shoes can or will achieve what he did given the circumstances of his run. Punk is a perfect anti-example to lesnars run in the UFC, why not give him the big fights and throw him in the deep end from the word go? Punk still has a background in jiujitsu but just like Lesnar extremely inexperienced MMA fighter. Punk will never acheive even half of what Lesnar did and his tenure will perhaps gain Lesnar more respect because it will put in perspective what he was able to achieve despite the obstacles he faced
    Also, Lesnar was on steroids and he was lucky he was that gifted and was a wrestler. Wrestlers tend to do well in the UFC because they just pummel their opponents to their ground and because of their wrestling they know how to stay on top of them.


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    Lesnar got into the sport late as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Also, Lesnar was on steroids and he was lucky he was that gifted and was a wrestler. Wrestlers tend to do well in the UFC because they just pummel their opponents to their ground and because of their wrestling they know how to stay on top of them.
    What's "luck" got to do with anything it goes back to my point of MMA fans underrating him to be honest, no one has replicated his feats in the same circumstances


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    I think MMA fans just can't digest what Lesnar achieved in the UFC despite all the odds stacked against him and him being a "fake" wrestling guy


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    But like you said wrestling is only one part of ones armoury Lesnar was a one dimensional fighter with his NCAA background being the only foundations he had to build on, Shane Carwin and those guys did not have to go through the wear and tear of being a pro-wrestler and nor were they suffering from diverticulitis and even then experience wise they were better prepared then Lesnar for the world of MMA in general
    Every MMA fighter is fighting with serious injuries constantly. They just don't go and say that they have problems, also training in MMA causes a lot more wear and tear than fighting in the WWE. Shane Carwin and those other guys didn't train MMA until they were in their mid 20s (JJ was 19 but started when he was 20 in the UFC). Also, Lesnar had the ability of a high level wrestler, which he's been training for since he was child, he's basically had the same amount of training as the other three in terms of relative to when they began fighting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    What's "luck" got to do with anything it goes back to my point of MMA fans underrating him to be honest, no one has replicated his feats in the same circumstances

    Lol there are some people who haven't just replicated his feats but actually made his feats look like it was nothing. Lesnar trained from 2006-2011. Jon Jones trained from 2007-2014, Lesnar was 5-3 in the UFC. Jon Jones is 12-1 with his only loss being a DQ because he beat up his opponent too badly. Jon Jones is regarded as the fighter who will become the MJ of the sport. Don't talk when you clearly don't know anything. There were a lot of people who thought Lesnar was good while he was fighting including myself however based on his last 2 performances and how he left the sport. It was clear that he didn't have the ability to continue being a competitive fighter. And based on the competitive level of the HWs today, he'd get owned by the top 10 easily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Every MMA fighter is fighting with serious injuries constantly. They just don't go and say that they have problems, also training in MMA causes a lot more wear and tear than fighting in the WWE. Shane Carwin and those other guys didn't train MMA until they were in their mid 20s (JJ was 19 but started when he was 20 in the UFC). Also, Lesnar had the ability of a high level wrestler, which he's been training for since he was child, he's basically had the same amount of training as the other three in terms of relative to when they began fighting.
    Not really mate you think fake wrestling is a joke you should try it, we all know about the wounds that can be inflicted in the octagon and i have respect for those guys they get to heal at least but they don't have 300+ matches 665 days per yr which involve taking nasty bumps on plywood. You just need to read up on the condition during his miserable tenure in the wwe to understand the serious health issues which he faced. And yeah they do fight with serious injuries but those injuries were not diverticulitis were they? yeah but like i said before they didn't start out so late like lesnar did and were better equipped in terms of experience for the world of MMA. Just being a fantastic wrestler is not good enough as you say to be succesful you need to be versatile and Lesnar's only grounding in MMA was wrestling, yet this limited fighter who had nothing going for him destined for disaster shook the heavyweight division and made an impact despite all the obstacles against him. No fighter has ever replicated Lesnar in any shape or form in the same circumstances, also let's say wrestling was enough training for lesnars preparation for the world of MMA it's not as if he was regularly training in that facet, he was a pro wrestler there's a big difference


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Lol there are some people who haven't just replicated his feats but actually made his feats look like it was nothing. Lesnar trained from 2006-2011. Jon Jones trained from 2007-2014, Lesnar was 5-3 in the UFC. Jon Jones is 12-1 with his only loss being a DQ because he beat up his opponent too badly. Jon Jones is regarded as the fighter who will become the MJ of the sport. Don't talk when you clearly don't know anything. There were a lot of people who thought Lesnar was good while he was fighting including myself however based on his last 2 performances and how he left the sport. It was clear that he didn't have the ability to continue being a competitive fighter. And based on the competitive level of the HWs today, he'd get owned by the top 10 easily.
    Who is saying that Lesnar is better then those guys? i think you guys are just butt hurt about what lesnar achieved despite all the odds stacked against him. Jon Jones did not start out so late nor was he chucked in at the deep end with limited experience in the world of MMA, nor did he have diverticulitis and nor did he go to the WWE or some other place his career has always been in the MMA thats a significant advantage over someone like Lesnar who got in the sport so late with little experience, you should learn to give credit where it's due instead of coming out with nonsensical examples thinking you know more then a fake wrestling guy who's opinions don't matter right just like how you guys look down on lesnar after he made you eat some humble pie


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Not really mate you think fake wrestling is a joke you should try it, we all know about the wounds that can be inflicted in the octagon and i have respect for those guys they get to heal at least but they don't have 300+ matches 665 days per yr which involve taking nasty bumps on plywood. You just need to read up on the condition during his miserable tenure in the wwe to understand the serious health issues which he faced. And yeah they do fight with serious injuries but those injuries were not diverticulitis were they? yeah but like i said before they didn't start out so late like lesnar did and were better equipped in terms of experience for the world of MMA. Just being a fantastic wrestler is not good enough as you say to be succesful you need to be versatile and Lesnar's only grounding in MMA was wrestling, yet this limited fighter who had nothing going for him destined for disaster shook the heavyweight division and made an impact despite all the obstacles against him. No fighter has ever replicated Lesnar in any shape or form in the same circumstances, also let's say wrestling was enough training for lesnars preparation for the world of MMA it's not as if he was regularly training in that facet, he was a pro wrestler there's a big difference
    Vince McMahon has really brainwashed you lot. What a load of crap. Lets hope you can regain your senses with time. Too funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Not really mate you think fake wrestling is a joke you should try it, we all know about the wounds that can be inflicted in the octagon and i have respect for those guys they get to heal at least but they don't have 300+ matches 665 days per yr which involve taking nasty bumps on plywood. You just need to read up on the condition during his miserable tenure in the wwe to understand the serious health issues which he faced. And yeah they do fight with serious injuries but those injuries were not diverticulitis were they? yeah but like i said before they didn't start out so late like lesnar did and were better equipped in terms of experience for the world of MMA. Just being a fantastic wrestler is not good enough as you say to be succesful you need to be versatile and Lesnar's only grounding in MMA was wrestling, yet this limited fighter who had nothing going for him destined for disaster shook the heavyweight division and made an impact despite all the obstacles against him. No fighter has ever replicated Lesnar in any shape or form in the same circumstances, also let's say wrestling was enough training for lesnars preparation for the world of MMA it's not as if he was regularly training in that facet, he was a pro wrestler there's a big difference
    See you have two points. One being that he was the only one with that level of inexperience yet he stepped into the sport and started dominating. I gave you three examples, two being guys who did more within the sport with actually LESS experience prior to the UFC. Also, while fighting the WWE sure you get injuries without a doubt, but they're not fighting every day. Which I would say the majority of MMA fighters do because they're constantly training and constantly going through major injuries which occur within training.

    Training actually causes the most injuries within the sport. These guys are dealing with tears and broken bones on a regular basis. Like you're seriously comparing pro-wrestling to an actual contact sport, where guys end up with torns acl/mcl and broken bones after every single event. You clearly don't watch UFC, just stop bro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackThunder View Post
    Vince McMahon has really brainwashed you lot. What a load of crap. Lets hope you can regain your senses with time. Too funny
    I pray for your ignorance you can't even objectively respond to points you don't agree with, it just proves one thing you go full ****** when you can't defend yourself or things you don't agree with


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    See you have two points. One being that he was the only one with that level of inexperience yet he stepped into the sport and started dominating. I gave you three examples, two being guys who did more within the sport with actually LESS experience prior to the UFC. Also, while fighting the WWE sure you get injuries without a doubt, but they're not fighting every day. Which I would say the majority of MMA fighters do because they're constantly training and constantly going through major injuries which occur within training.

    Training actually causes the most injuries within the sport. These guys are dealing with tears and broken bones on a regular basis. Like you're seriously comparing pro-wrestling to an actual contact sport, where guys end up with torns acl/mcl and broken bones after every single event. You clearly don't watch UFC, just stop bro.
    You game examples which still had significant advantages over Lesnar and there is less risk actually training in a safe environment with your coach and team then being on the road 7 days a week having match night after night for a year, pro wrestling bodys get banged up pretty bad and because of the culture there often injuries are further aggravated when those guys are forced to work matches throughout the pain.

    Sure they do but they get time to heal up you don't in pro wrestling. Am not downplaying the risks that come in the octagon but if you know little about the risks with pro wrestling then you can't really make a point can you


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Who is saying that Lesnar is better then those guys? i think you guys are just butt hurt about what lesnar achieved despite all the odds stacked against him. Jon Jones did not start out so late nor was he chucked in at the deep end with limited experience in the world of MMA, nor did he have diverticulitis and nor did he go to the WWE or some other place his career has always been in the MMA thats a significant advantage over someone like Lesnar who got in the sport so late with little experience, you should learn to give credit where it's due instead of coming out with nonsensical examples thinking you know more then a fake wrestling guy who's opinions don't matter right just like how you guys look down on lesnar after he made you eat some humble pie
    Lol you're messed. Jon Jones started at 19 and cleared the division at 22. He was fighting guys with 10-20 years experience within MMA and beat everyone in the most competitive division in arguably MMA history. He didn't start late, he was just so talented that he could learn what was required to be successful in the same amount of time that it took Brook and was unbelievably more successful. Anderson Silva has fought fights with broken ribs, Rich Franklin KO'ed someone after he broke his hand WITHIN THE FIGHT. I think that's a lot worse than diverticulitis, you need to relax because you're making these extremely biased statements and you're discrediting how people have done more impressive things than Brook but you focus on the fact that Brook won like 4 fights in the UFC. One against a guy who's career went down after he got into a motorcycle accident, one against a guy who almost KO'ed him and should've won if the ref had stopped it (which he should've), one against a 45 year old and one against a no name. Relax, its 4 fights against a weak division. Did you even see how Velasquez and Overeem made a mockery of his life, don't speak about the UFC you know nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You game examples which still had significant advantages over Lesnar and there is less risk actually training in a safe environment with your coach and team then being on the road 7 days a week having match night after night for a year, pro wrestling bodys get banged up pretty bad and because of the culture there often injuries are further aggravated when those guys are forced to work matches throughout the pain.

    Sure they do but they get time to heal up you don't in pro wrestling. Am not downplaying the risks that come in the octagon but if you know little about the risks with pro wrestling then you can't really make a point can you
    Training in a safe environment? They're fighting! Guys get hurt on a daily basis when training at that high level in MMA. They're trained to break each other's arms, legs, chest. You clearly are underestimating as to what these athletes are capable of doing. When they're fighting it's like two guys fighting with a gun in their hand, that's how destructive these athletes are.


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    Umar Amin is miles better than Fawad Alam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro Era View Post
    Lol you're messed. Jon Jones started at 19 and cleared the division at 22. He was fighting guys with 10-20 years experience within MMA and beat everyone in the most competitive division in arguably MMA history. He didn't start late, he was just so talented that he could learn what was required to be successful in the same amount of time that it took Brook and was unbelievably more successful. Anderson Silva has fought fights with broken ribs, Rich Franklin KO'ed someone after he broke his hand WITHIN THE FIGHT. I think that's a lot worse than diverticulitis, you need to relax because you're making these extremely biased statements and you're discrediting how people have done more impressive things than Brook but you focus on the fact that Brook won like 4 fights in the UFC. One against a guy who's career went down after he got into a motorcycle accident, one against a guy who almost KO'ed him and should've won if the ref had stopped it (which he should've), one against a 45 year old and one against a no name. Relax, its 4 fights against a weak division. Did you even see how Velasquez and Overeem made a mockery of his life, don't speak about the UFC you know nothing.
    You’re just a biased UFC fan that can’t see beyond his abject views , if you really were a true fan of the sport you wouldn’t display a lack of objectivity and so much bias. All you have done thus far is attempt to be little Lesnars acheivements when in fact his run was incredible given the circumstances he was faced with, Lesnar was not 19 years young was he? The Jon Jones argument is complete bs, and no disrespect to the fighters that continue on through broken ribs etc but was it diverticulitis?!! A career ending injury? Lesnar fought through a life threatening injury which he wasn’t aware of yet achieved considerable success. No one is saying that he compares to the UFC greats but no one has made an impact like him in the same circumstances and nor will they


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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