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    The Kumar Sangakkara Mega thread

    Sangakkara now has 34 Test hundreds equalling Brian Lara and Sunil Gavaskar.
    Out of his 34 centuries 18 have been in a winning cause so far at an average of 74.

    Is he the greatest left handed batsmen ever or will end up as one? Better than Brian Charles Lara?


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    he is certainly an ATG but many wont rate him even above gilly.


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    That would be Brian Lara.


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    Sobers
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    G pollock/Sanga
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    Number of centuries is not the sole criteria of been Great.

    There are at 4 - 5 better batters than Sanga.

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    no way he is.

    Brian Lara and Graeme Pollock are a greatest left handed batsmen in a history of cricket.

    However I will rate him behind Adam Gilchrist in a wicket keeper list of all time

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    Sobers, Lara and G Pollock would have to be the top 3 I would say. Sanga would be way down the list.

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    Sobers is the best ever left handed batsman followed by G. Pollock and Lara.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasnít arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Re: Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    That would be a resounding no.


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    Sobers and Lara would be the best.

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    Not even an ATG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Not even an ATG.
    I believe the same.


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    What a joke thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electron View Post
    What a joke thread.
    Why is it a joke thread? Its a discussion thread with a question being asked. You can provide your sensible views instead of attacking the thread.


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    Sobers for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Sobers for me.
    I believe Sobers is the best batsman since Bradman, not just the best left handed batsman.

    1. Bradman
    2. Sobers
    3. Hobbs


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    Nah, Lara over Sangakkara without a doubt. But Sanga comfortably ahead of the likes of gilchrist imo. Thing about Sangakkara which has to be admired is his insatiable appetite for big scores which very few have matched.

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    Sobers
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    Knack of scoring big is what Sanga shares with Lara-amazing ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amax View Post
    Knack of scoring big is what Sanga shares with Lara-amazing ability.
    I'll agree with you here .... Lara, Sehwag, Sangakkara, all 3 of them have had this appetite for big double hundreds.


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    Lara for me as i have never watched Sobers or the other oldies Lara was more classy elegant and fierce than Sanga's

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    Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Hes hit his first 300 well done to the legend


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    Even Gilchrist was better than Sanga.


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    Sanga - compared to other greats, he is kind of home bully (29 out of 34 hundreds under subcontinental conditions or against minnows, need any more proof?) and weak bowling basher . He does have big appetite for runs though.

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    Hahaha he is still going after 300 even when his team score is 574, lol. Just watch him performing in England

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    We should also consider that SL plays very few tests outside SC, he could easily have lot more well rounded record if given more chances at his peak.

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    Sobers,Border,Lara were all better imo


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    He is not even an ATG.He is a HTB/FTB.

    Greatest ever LHB,NO WAY.

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    Why Sangakkara is the best cricketer from the Asian subcontinent the game has ever seen




    http://www.islandcricket.lk/blogs/sr...inent-crickete

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    I think Sanga will be rated like how Pollock and Walsh are rated.

    Some may call him ATG (even I did sometime back but now I wonder whether it was premature).

    Some may not.

    One thing is for sure.

    He is NOT a clear cut ATG like Sachin, Dravid, Ponting, Kallis, Lara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is not even an ATG.He is a HTB/FTB.

    Greatest ever LHB,NO WAY.
    I don't think he's the best LHB, but one can't really call him a HTB/FTB when it is inconclusive. He has 60 avg in Australia, 66 in NZ for a total of 9 matches. Bad in England and average in SA, good in Pak, average in India.

    Why are people so negative about Sanga? He is a hell of a player.

    ATG I would put him in that category, but hey that's just me.

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    Could break another lefties record today

    I'm sure Lara is glued to his TV atm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    Why Sangakkara is the best cricketer from the Asian subcontinent the game has ever seen




    http://www.islandcricket.lk/blogs/sr...inent-crickete
    Laughed my head off reading it. But then again those are the same people who believe Jayasuriya is a better ODI batsman than Viv and Sachin.


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    IMO Hussey was bettar than him. Wont go to stats but just rated him a bettar player than Sanga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I think Sanga will be rated like how Pollock and Walsh are rated.

    Some may call him ATG (even I did sometime back but now I wonder whether it was premature).

    Some may not.

    One thing is for sure.

    He is NOT a clear cut ATG like Sachin, Dravid, Ponting, Kallis, Lara.
    Not ATG batsmen, in my opinion. Good, really good, but not great. Not because of the number of runs they scored, but how they scored them, snail paced in accumulative fashion. Not how Sachin, Lara and Ponting used to score their runs, decimating bowling attacks, taking them apart.

    Would you watch a destructive innings of Sachin in the 90's or a boring innings of Dravid or Kallis? How about watching Lara at his devastating best or an innings of Dravid or Kallis?
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    No, very good bat but not even close

    Off the top of my head lara, pollock, sobers to name a few are well ahead of him As well as a few others
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelo green View Post
    I don't think he's the best LHB, but one can't really call him a HTB/FTB when it is inconclusive. He has 60 avg in Australia, 66 in NZ for a total of 9 matches. Bad in England and average in SA, good in Pak, average in India.

    Why are people so negative about Sanga? He is a hell of a player.

    ATG I would put him in that category, but hey that's just me.
    Out of the 7 top test nations he played in he avgs below 40 in 4 of them.Not ATG by any means.Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    Why Sangakkara is the best cricketer from the Asian subcontinent the game has ever seen




    http://www.islandcricket.lk/blogs/sr...inent-crickete
    LOL stuff.Sanga isnt the best in his own country.

    And regarding Subcontinent

    SRT/Sunny/Dravid/IK/Wasim/Waqar/Murali all are above him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Not even an ATG.
    Precisely.

    He's not showed up against tough opponents, hasn't hit flashy/legendary hundreds. I would actually not even bother to remember him after he retires.


    Even among Lankans, i would always rate Aravinda, Jayasuriya and Mahela higher. Yes, Mahela. He's played more meaningful knocks despite having inferior stats.

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    No the list would be;

    Sobers
    Lara
    Pollok
    Gilly
    Hussey (find him much better than Sanga)

    Sanga is not an ATG by any means maybe a Sri Lankan great but defo not a great of the game. Though his appetite for big runs is commendable.

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    He's a top quality batsman but batsman like Sachin was one of a kind who could perform against anyone and anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Out of the 7 top test nations he played in he avgs below 40 in 4 of them.Not ATG by any means.Not even close.
    What some ppl fail to realise is that Sanga the specialist bat is a completely different animal to Sanga the wk/bat (excluding minnows an ave of over 60 v an ave of around 40 - that's a significant disparity right there). Keeping and batting at no3 in Tests is obviously a tough ask and his batting suffered as a result. As a specialist bat his numbers are up there with the best of them.

    Excluding Bangla and Zimboks

    Outside of SC



    Away against top 7



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    How on earth is Gilchrist a better test bat then Sanga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Not ATG batsmen, in my opinion. Good, really good, but not great. Not because of the number of runs they scored, but how they scored them, snail paced in accumulative fashion. Not how Sachin, Lara and Ponting used to score their runs, decimating bowling attacks, taking them apart.

    Would you watch a destructive innings of Sachin in the 90's or a boring innings of Dravid or Kallis? How about watching Lara at his devastating best or an innings of Dravid or Kallis?
    If this were the greatest criterion, Sehwag would be the king of them all. Dravid has scored his 100s at a strike rate of around 50, and often in crucial match winning causes, so not sure what you call as slow or boring innings.

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    Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Sanga is probably the greatest WK Test Bat ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    Sanga is probably the greatest WK Test Bat ever
    hasn't kept for most of his career so shouldn't qualify


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    How on earth is Gilchrist a better test bat then Sanga?
    He could turn a match in a session.

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    Re: Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    Sanga is probably the greatest WK Test Bat ever


    Not even 2nd best.

    Gilly first Andy Flower second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    How on earth is Gilchrist a better test bat then Sanga?
    Better wicketkeeper batsman.

    Sanga only averaged low 40s as a wicketkeeper.

    Gilly averaged over 50 as a keeper for most of his career.

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    Not even 2nd best.

    Gilly first Andy Flower second.

    Yeah I've checked his record now as a WK he averages 40 in Tests which is way behind Gillys record the point is if he played them 48 tests as a regular batsman he would've had an average in the 60s which is definite ATG material

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    Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Sangas average of 70 as a specialist bat is just freakish but I still don't put him in Tendu/Lara category but it's also a bit unfair that he hasn't had the opportunity to play as many tests outside SC just as a batsman I think his record would be better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    Sangas average of 70 as a specialist bat is just freakish but I still don't put him in Tendu/Lara category but it's also a bit unfair that he hasn't had the opportunity to play as many tests outside SC just as a batsman I think his record would be better
    He played tests outside SL and failed in places like SA and ENG.If i am not mistaken he has missed a no. of tests in AUS as well.He hasnt done well in India and WI as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He played tests outside SL and failed in places like SA and ENG.If i am not mistaken he has missed a no. of tests in AUS as well.He hasnt done well in India and WI as well.

    In SA he didn't fail that's harsh to average 37 as a specialist bat is pretty good for a SC batsman in India he averages 48 just as a batsman and 42 in WI is a solid average

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    Not as good as Lara as he doesn't have that Xfactor that Lara has however the 2nd best of all time after Lara..


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianWillow View Post
    If this were the greatest criterion, Sehwag would be the king of them all. Dravid has scored his 100s at a strike rate of around 50, and often in crucial match winning causes, so not sure what you call as slow or boring innings.
    Dravid = Boring-est batman ever. A strike rate of 42.51 that too in the modern era, says it all. Even that snail Shivnarine Chanderpaul has a better SR. Dravid is an Indian 'great', but far from being an ATG, not even close to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Better wicketkeeper batsman.

    Sanga only averaged low 40s as a wicketkeeper.

    Gilly averaged over 50 as a keeper for most of his career.
    The thread is about left handed batsman, though. Not wicket keeper batsman.

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    Great batsman but still a long way behind Brian Charles Lara.

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    Re: Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    In SA he didn't fail that's harsh to average 37 as a specialist bat is pretty good for a SC batsman in India he averages 48 just as a batsman and 42 in WI is a solid average

    For someone who played in 2000s 37 is a poor return.

    .If you will look he has played only 28 tests outside home as a specialist batsman and thats only 1/4th of his total tests and half of his over seas record to call him an ATG based on that is wrong.

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    Re: Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    What some ppl fail to realise is that Sanga the specialist bat is a completely different animal to Sanga the wk/bat (excluding minnows an ave of over 60 v an ave of around 40 - that's a significant disparity right there). Keeping and batting at no3 in Tests is obviously a tough ask and his batting suffered as a result. As a specialist bat his numbers are up there with the best of them.

    Excluding Bangla and Zimboks

    Outside of SC



    Away against top 7



    Home against top 7



    Only 28 tests.Look up the number of tests Dravid Ponting Kallis Lara Tendulkar Etc played outside their home againist top teams.

    Mr. SANGA isnt anywhere near them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Only 28 tests.Look up the number of tests Dravid Ponting Kallis Lara Tendulkar Etc played outside their home againist top teams.

    Mr. SANGA isnt anywhere near them.
    So its his fault that his team toured less, if any thing it is unfair to him and (goes in his favor ) that he cant tour that often at his peak.
    Last edited by amax; 5th February 2014 at 13:01.

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    Most people seem to have valid points, but I personally believe he is one of the best certainly. I think he can adapt to most situations and formats and plays good cricket which is a delight to watch! Certainly a key wicket for any opposition!

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    Re: Is Kumar Sangakkara the greatest left handed batsman in Test Cricket ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by amax View Post
    So its his fault that his team toured less, if any thing it is unfair to him and (goes in his favor ) that he cant tour often at his peak.


    He has over all played 54 tests but his fans want us to consider only 28.Why?Because he played well in them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amax View Post
    So its his fault that his team toured less, if any thing it is unfair to him and (goes in his favor ) that he cant tour that often at his peak.
    This is my argument. The sample size is too small to go either way, and to discredit him wouldn't be fair especially when he has been such a destructive player in his career. 70 average as a non WK is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Only 28 tests.Look up the number of tests Dravid Ponting Kallis Lara Tendulkar Etc played outside their home againist top teams.

    Mr. SANGA isnt anywhere near them.
    Around 30 Tests away and some 30 odd Tests at home against the top 7 as a specialist bat. I think that's a good enough number to compare and make a fair judgement. Besides as amax has already pointed out it's not his fault that most Test series SL play involve just 2 or 3 Tests now is it?

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    Not above Lara.

    Gilchrist was more of a hitter who came lower down the order - they were different type of players so unfair comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He has over all played 54 tests but his fans want us to consider only 28.Why?Because he played well in them?
    Overall 47 Tests away against the top 7 actually (as opposed to 29 as a specialist bat). No it's to even the playing field somewhat. I would have liked to have seen Sachin, Lara and Ponting etc keeping and batting at no3 to see how they go. Their numbers won't be as flash I'm sure.

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    Lol....

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    A biggest Cheater or Whiner may be? No all time great, No wayyyy!!!!

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    sobers, lara, chanderpaul & gilchrist would be ranked above sangakkara

    sangakkara has inflated his avg playing a lot against bangladesh & zimbabwe. his combined avg is 92 against those 2 teams

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    Just so ppl can see what specialist bat Sanga v wk/bat Sanga looks like

    Home against top 7

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    is designated keeper
    2000-2006
    22 Tests/ 37 Innings
    Ave 43
    4 100s and 5 50s

    is not keeper
    2003-2012
    33 Tests/ 56 Innings
    Ave 68
    11 100s and 12 50s

    58% improvement in ave / 9 innings per 100 v 5 innings per 100


    Away against top 7

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    is designated keeper
    2001-2008
    18 Tests/ 34 Innings
    Ave 36
    2 100s and 3 50s

    is not keeper
    2000-2014
    29 Tests/ 55 Innings
    Ave 55
    9 100s and 17 50s

    53% improvement in ave / 17 innings per 100 v 6 innings per 100


    In the SC against top 7

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    is designated keeper
    2000-2006
    27 Tests/ 46 Innings
    Ave 47
    6 100s and 5 50s

    is not keeper
    2003-2014
    45 Tests/ 78 Innings
    Ave 65
    15 100s and 19 50s

    38% improvement in ave / 8 innings per 100 v 5 innings per 100


    Outside SC - Away in SA, Eng, Aus, NZ and WI

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    is designated keeper
    2001-2008
    13 Tests/ 25 Innings
    Ave 26
    0 100s and 3 50s

    is not keeper
    2000-2012
    17 Tests/ 33 Innings
    Ave 53
    5 100s (98 and a 192 to go with it) and 10 50s

    104% improvement in ave / no 100s v 7 innings per 100


    Overall against top 7

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    is designated keeper
    2000-2008
    40 Tests/ 71 Innings
    Ave 40
    6 100s (including 1 190+ score) and 8 50s

    is not keeper
    2000-2014
    62 Tests/ 111 Innings
    Ave 61
    20 100s (including 7 190+ scores) and 29 50s

    53% improvement in ave / 12 innings per 100 v 6 innings per 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Not ATG batsmen, in my opinion. Good, really good, but not great. Not because of the number of runs they scored, but how they scored them, snail paced in accumulative fashion. Not how Sachin, Lara and Ponting used to score their runs, decimating bowling attacks, taking them apart.

    Would you watch a destructive innings of Sachin in the 90's or a boring innings of Dravid or Kallis? How about watching Lara at his devastating best or an innings of Dravid or Kallis?
    Its not about who I would rather watch.

    Wasn't Gavaskar an ATG batsman?

    Can anyone in the world deny that?

    Similarly, Dravid and Kallis will be regarded as ATG batsman.

    By the way, Dravid (for all his weakness in Aus) won us 2 matches in Aus.

    How many did Sachin (for all his greatness) win us in Aus?

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    Sangakara is effortless batsman , delightful to watch , but certainly History has seen better batters.

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    Half of the people haven't watched Sobers, Pollock, Hobbs in their old days and yet they are advocating for them. Its a norm to mock current players and praise old players.

    Yes Sanga is one of the all time greats.


    The Underdogs

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    Definitely not.

    Lara was arguably better but I have never seen the likes of Sobers/Pollock to make a comment. As of now, he is probably the best left handed batsman though. ATG material to me. Averaging 57 is nothing short of extra-ordinary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UP View Post
    Half of the people haven't watched Sobers, Pollock, Hobbs in their old days and yet they are advocating for them. Its a norm to mock current players and praise old players.

    Yes Sanga is one of the all time greats.
    I feel the same.

    This glorification of the past needs to stop

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    And they only get two tests when they tour England or Australia. Lot of the visiting batsmen tend to get big scores during the end of the English summer by which time they are well acclimatized and the conditions have become more benign. SL, WI and NZ have to play in the early summer in Eng and Aus.

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    6 centuries outside Asia and still you call him the best? One of it came against Zimbabwe. Lol.

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    Sangakkara is not even the best left hand bat of the current lot, let alone of all time.

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    Two ATG left handed batters that come to mind are graham pollock and Lara.

    Sanga doesn't even cut the ATG barrier currently. He hasn't checked many criteria, considered necessary to be one

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