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  1. #2321
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    True and he needs time away from the game but there is a valid point regarding being the leading wicket taker in Tests over the last year and then being dropped after one bad game. Moving forward he will remain in contention especially in asia and potentially at home to as we are not producing world class spinners who are able to cement their spot thus far but lets see maybe Leach will change that


    Denly/Bairstow hardly set the world on fire.

    Nobody could Smith out that was the problem.
    I agree Moeens bowling has not been as good as before but that's because he his being asked to tinker with his action. Only thing I can criticise is that Moeen does not seem to to take control of his bowling and fields. Smith was constantly flicking him to the leg side for a single. He should have put a field in those positions.

    Overall I do feel people like Ian Bell, Gary Balance seem to have been given matches when they could have been dropped in similar situations in the past.

    If Leach takes his opportunity I don't feel it will a long time fix...….

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    The incessant whining here by a few is frankly embarrassing.

    His batting has been non existent for a while now, and while I don’t follow English domestic cricket I’m sure there are better specialist spinners in the country.

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    Moeen Ali has decided to take some time off after he was dropped for the second Ashes 2019 Test at Lord’s which gets underway on Thursday.

    Moeen made only four runs in two innings at Edgbaston which the hosts went down by 251 runs in a historic defeat. Add to that, he has reached 50 only once in his last 16 Test innings and has also struggled to make an impact with the ball in the previous series against Australia.

    The 32-year-old England allrounder has now made up his mind to go on a short break before he returns to play for Worcestershire. “Mo is spending a little time away from the middle recharging his batteries and putting in some quality practice time which he feels he needs, and we completely respect,” coach Alex Gidman said on Tuesday.

    “He has had an intense schedule of international cricket involving the ICC World Cup and the start of the Ashes. Mo loves playing for Worcestershire and he gives a lift to everyone in the dressing room when he comes back and plays for us. We saw at Trent Bridge (in the Blast) what he gives to us and we look forward to when he returns soon.”

    Earlier, Moeen conceded his batting form in Test cricket is an issue going into the series but hoped to play with freedom in the upcoming matches. He has played 59 Tests, averaging close to 30 with the bat. However, in the longer format, he averages around 16 in the last 16 Tests, with only two half-centuries.

    “As an all-rounder I can affect every innings of the game but in all honesty, I know my batting has been a problem of late. Given I’ll probably be coming in at No 8, my primary role is with the ball and since returning to the side last summer against India my record has been strong in this department,” he said.

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    Moeen is cooked. Can't bat, can't bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Moeen Ali has decided to take some time off after he was dropped for the second Ashes 2019 Test at Lord’s which gets underway on Thursday.

    Moeen made only four runs in two innings at Edgbaston which the hosts went down by 251 runs in a historic defeat. Add to that, he has reached 50 only once in his last 16 Test innings and has also struggled to make an impact with the ball in the previous series against Australia.

    The 32-year-old England allrounder has now made up his mind to go on a short break before he returns to play for Worcestershire. “Mo is spending a little time away from the middle recharging his batteries and putting in some quality practice time which he feels he needs, and we completely respect,” coach Alex Gidman said on Tuesday.

    “He has had an intense schedule of international cricket involving the ICC World Cup and the start of the Ashes. Mo loves playing for Worcestershire and he gives a lift to everyone in the dressing room when he comes back and plays for us. We saw at Trent Bridge (in the Blast) what he gives to us and we look forward to when he returns soon.”

    Earlier, Moeen conceded his batting form in Test cricket is an issue going into the series but hoped to play with freedom in the upcoming matches. He has played 59 Tests, averaging close to 30 with the bat. However, in the longer format, he averages around 16 in the last 16 Tests, with only two half-centuries.

    “As an all-rounder I can affect every innings of the game but in all honesty, I know my batting has been a problem of late. Given I’ll probably be coming in at No 8, my primary role is with the ball and since returning to the side last summer against India my record has been strong in this department,” he said.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...ds-test-879500
    By break they appear to mean he won't be playing until this Sunday. Fairly odd wording from Worcestershire.

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    England do not have many good test players. The exception being Anderson, Broad and Root. They believe they can play the odi players in tests.

    In a test team you would ideally want to have 5 proper batsman, a batting all-rounder at number 6, the wicket-keeper at 7 and 4 quality bowlers.

    West Indies had this combination during the 1979 World Cup and they won it.
    In the 1983 World Cup West Indies should have had Kallicharran and King instead of Gomes and Bacchus. Also, they should have had Colin Croft and Sylvester Clarke instead of Wayne Daniel and Winston Davis. However, these players went on the rebel tour to South Africa.

    I believe West Indies missed Kallicharran and King in the final. They also missed Croft, Clarke and Rowe in the 1983 World Cup squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The incessant whining here by a few is frankly embarrassing.

    His batting has been non existent for a while now, and while I don’t follow English domestic cricket I’m sure there are better specialist spinners in the country.
    Well, I can’t think of one.

    He is actually the world’s leading test wicket taker over the last twelve months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricketrenew View Post
    Moeen needed Eid holiday....

    Another Asian player dropped after a few poor performances...…the England trend that continues...
    considering he is the leading wicket taker in the year amplifies the difference in treatment with other players. Other players normally get few games to bounce. Then get given a few more games....

    Moeen needs to forget he coaching and concentrate on putting revs on the ball and changing the speed of delivery not being samey all the time....
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.
    Maybe from the outside e.g media etc there may be a feeling which causes people to believe he is not given opportunity but internally it can not be in doubt how England have always loved having Mo in the dressing room and he has been a key player, we can perhaps criticise how he has been used given that a role hasn't always been defined even after playing so many games but beyond that it has been fine. In this moment it is clear he needs time away, whether or not he is given a chance again am not sure about that one though Robert but there is more of a chance if we need to play multiple spinners; if others do not grab the chance with both hands then Mo will get a look again, however I would keep my options open given our resources and also how Mo has won us games with the ball and shown good form prior to the 1st Test


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    A fine servant, who unfortunately is out of form and has completely lost his confidence. The right thing to do for Mo at the right time. He will be back, but probably not in an England jersey until at least next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.
    He seems to be dropped every year, then others don't stick, he comes back with man of match performances.

    Is it likely Bairstow or Denly will be dropped if they perform badly after the next match we will see.
    I doubt it they will be given more chances.
    Last edited by Cricketrenew; 14th August 2019 at 04:01.

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    Looks as if he’s singlehandedly dragging his side to finals day again. Incredible batting atm. Smoking it everywhere for Worcester.

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    An unbelievable knock so far.

    90* (48) - Worcs need 42 more from 35 balls

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    102* for Moeen in 50 balls at a SR 200+!!

    Magnificent!

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    Sensational.

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    Nice to see Moeen doing well!

    Well done Moeen.

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    121* as Worcs Captain in T20 Blast to lead his team to a 8 wicket victory against Sussex!


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    hopefully he can bring this form into international cricket.

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    England's out-of-favour all-rounder Moeen Ali struck an unbeaten century for Worcestershire, in their T20 Blast quarter-final win against Sussex on Friday, 6 September.

    Moeen, who was dropped from England's Test squad after the opening Ashes Test at Edgbaston, slammed 121* off just 60 balls, hitting eight fours and 11 sixes in Worcestershire’s successful chase of 185. Capitalising on an early dropped catch when he was on 5, Moeen reached his century, his second in T20s, in 50 balls, and finished off the chase with a six off Ollie Robinson.

    The knock was an extension of Moeen's imperious form in the shortest format. His last four scores at the T20 Blast now read 85*, 23, 51 and 121*. It's quite the contrast to his red-ball form, underpinned by just one fifty in his last 16 Test innings. The last of his five Test centuries came way back in December 2016.

    Captaining the side, Moeen walked in at No.3 to face the fourth ball of the chase, after opener Joe Leach was removed by Reece Topley, with the score on 2. He gathered support from Riki Wessels, who played the ideal foil with a 46-ball 47, as Worcestershire hunted down the target inside 18 overs. The 177-run stand laid the base for an eight-wicket win, which sealed them a spot for Finals Day.


    That Sussex were able to set a challenging total was down to their opener Philip Salt, who top-scored with 72 off 40 balls, hitting five fours and as many sixes. Contributions from Luke Wright (28) and Laurie Evans (43) pushed them past 180, despite a middle-order collapse where they lost four wickets for 25 runs. Moeen played his part there, too, picking up Delray Rawlins through a caught-and-bowled, and finished with figures of 4-0-22-1.

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    Moeen for T20 England Captain....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalhaSyed View Post
    102* for Moeen in 50 balls at a SR 200+!!

    Magnificent!
    Great knock he makes it look so easy when he is enjoying his batting, watched it live. Love the blast, would be great to have it on FTA instead of the new 100 ball format


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Great knock he makes it look so easy when he is enjoying his batting, watched it live. Love the blast, would be great to have it on FTA instead of the new 100 ball format
    Ah that would be awesome! Would definitely help grow the cricket audience in the UK

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    Moeen Ali to take indefinite break from red-ball cricket

    The all-rounder will not be available for selection for England's upcoming Test tour to New Zealand.

    Ashley Giles, the managing director of the ECB, has said that although Moeen will take a break from the game, he has not retired from Test cricket. “He just wants a little bit of a break from Test cricket,” said Giles.

    Having been a permanent fixture in the England side in all three formats, Moeen endured a difficult 2019 summer. He was dropped from the ODI side in place of Liam Plunkett and then made two Test appearances before losing his place in that side to Jack Leach.

    The all-rounder will not be available for selection for England's upcoming Test tour to New Zealand.

    Ashley Giles, the managing director of the ECB, has said that although Moeen will take a break from the game, he has not retired from Test cricket. “He just wants a little bit of a break from Test cricket,” said Giles.

    Having been a permanent fixture in the England side in all three formats, Moeen endured a difficult 2019 summer. He was dropped from the ODI side in place of Liam Plunkett and then made two Test appearances before losing his place in that side to Jack Leach.

    Giles added: “I think for all the guys, not just talking about Moeen, it’s been a really challenging summer. A World Cup and an Ashes back-to-back has had a massive effect on many of these guys, psychologically as much as physically. Some of those guys are still carrying that. His experience in the first Test wasn’t a great one but that’s cricket.”

    Moeen has retained his white-ball contract suggesting he is still a key figure in both the ODI and T20I side.

    In the year up to losing his place in the Test side Moeen had taken more wickets in Test cricket than anyone else in world cricket. Commenting on Moeen's decision, Giles added: “He’s been a great servant to this team and that’s why I encouraged him to leave that option open for him to come back. He might just need that time away and freshen up but he’s been a really good servant to this team and he’s relatively young.”

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    Lead his time into T20 Blast finals but not included in England T20I squad?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Lead his time into T20 Blast finals but not included in England T20I squad?
    He's been very mediocre over the last several years in T20Is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitWicket View Post
    He's been very mediocre over the last several years in T20Is.
    He’s wasted down at 7 in LOIs. He’s an excellent top order T20 bat but England have too many options.

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    Moeen Ali’s Test break to continue with absence from England squad for South Africa


    Moeen Ali is expected to continue his break from Test cricket despite talks with Joe Root and the England management this week.

    Ed Smith, the national selector, will name England’s squad for the series in South Africa on Saturday, with Jonny Bairstow, Jimmy Anderson and Mark Wood tipped to return after missing out on the 1-0 series defeat in New Zealand.

    But Moeen is not expected to be among the touring party. The 32-year-old agreed a spell out of Test consideration at the end of the season after being dropped one match into the Ashes and then omitted from the list of Test central contracts.

    The latter decision by England has had a knock-on effect, with Moeen’s value as an established international cricketer on the global T20 circuit now greater than the overseas tour and match fees earned by a non-contracted player.

    On Friday he was signed on a £150,000 deal to play for Multan Sultans in the Pakistan Super League, the side being run by the former England team director, Andy Flower, and England’s head analyst, Nathan Leamon.

    The PSL runs from 20 February to 22 March, the back end of which coincides with England’s two-Test tour to Sri Lanka. Root and the selectors will likely touch base with Moeen again before that squad is picked, given the off-spinning all-rounder was central to the 3-0 series win there last year with 18 wickets.

    Moeen’s absence means Matt Parkinson is expected to continue as one of two spinners in the England Test squad who depart for South Africa on 13 December, although his Lancashire teammate, Saqib Mahmood, may be the seamer to make way for the returning Anderson and Wood.

    The pair, on the comeback trail from calf and side injuries respectively, are in South Africa as part of a fast-bowling camp, which has been forced to move from Potchefstroom to Cape Town owing to bad weather.

    Bairstow is also on the trip reconditioning his batting against the red ball. His inclusion in the England squad who play four Tests, starting on Boxing Day, will provide proper cover for Jos Buttler behind the stumps even if the management are keen for him to force his way back into the side as a batsman.

    England squad (possible): Sibley, Burns, Denly, Root (capt), Stokes, Pope, Buttler (wkt), Curran, Leach, Archer, Broad, Woakes, Anderson, Wood, Parkinson, Bairstow, Crawley.

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