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  1. #721
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    Moeen is nothing more than a Hafeez with the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What thrashing? he's just an OK bowler.
    Hahahahaha

    Go brother Moeen, keep up the thrashing

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    He is a bit like Vettori at best. Nothing too threatening, but can be successful if he bowls smart.

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    I still think he isn't a FULL bowler.

    But right now he is performing like a full one.

    I hope he can keep it up.

    Very hard worker.

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    Ali is like Anderson. Average bowler. Surprised Anderson ATG bandwagoner playong down a bowler. Usually they are the type to overhype. Oh well Ali got a beard.

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    poor batting from India...Moen bhai is still serving pies....will be exposed in due time....but you guys should enjoy while it lasts
    Last edited by Straight_Drive; 9th August 2014 at 17:31.

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    It's funny how everyone but English fans are saying whether he is good or not or should be in the team or not.

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    hahaha another 5fer coming up?


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    Hahahhaha

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    YESSSS! takes another.

    Hope he can get the remaining 3 wickets.

    End up with a 7-fer?

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    I was right about him.

    Nearing another 5fer and 20 wickets for this series, outstanding for a part timer.

    Batting needs to improve though.


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    4 wickets in 8 over for Moeen? A wicket after every 12 balls!


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    4 wickets in 8 over for Moeen? A wicket after every 12 balls!
    Whats his current sr and average??

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    Most of the rough is on the legside, would've helped if India had another left hander in their tail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    4 wickets in 8 over for Moeen? A wicket after every 12 balls!
    Better SR than Steyn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    Whats his current sr and average??
    Average 27, SR 46. 22 wickets so far in 6 Tests (11 innings)


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    All this while having two noobs in Woakes and Jordan in the lineup too.


    Politics trumps intelligence (pun intended).

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    Moeen Bhai FTW!

    Great performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    Hahahahaha

    Go brother Moeen, keep up the thrashing
    Moeen bhai is serving pies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    Average 27, SR 46. 22 wickets so far in 6 Tests (11 innings)
    Lol that strike rate tho

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    Moeen Bhai everywhere! Now a runout...


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    This is trolling of highest level. Is it Moeen vs India or England vs India?


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    If these guys cant handle moeen then the bunch that gifted wickets to tahir on fulltosses wont last five second against him.

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    Brilliant from Moeen, sour grapes from Mamoon the Indian yet again. Haters gna hate..

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    4-28 in this innings so far. Fantastic figures.

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    @bbctms: Moeen Ali has reached 20 test wickets in the shortest period of time for any England spinner. It has taken him just 58 days #BBCSport


    Moeen & Root: The future of English Cricket.

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    I think potential is very much there.
    He has been bowling very well, but I still don't think he is complete yet.
    With more hardwork, he can become a very good bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricfan967 View Post
    @bbctms: Moeen Ali has reached 20 test wickets in the shortest period of time for any England spinner. It has taken him just 58 days #BBCSport
    lol 20 who tracks 20 wickets as a milestone

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    "Performance watch"? This is unfair. His efforts need more recognition at PP than the generic, all inclusive "Performance watch". There are so many threads for a failure like Kohli but only one for the highest wicket taker in this series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saiyan0312 View Post
    If these guys cant handle moeen then the bunch that gifted wickets to tahir on fulltosses wont last five second against him.
    Don't overrate us dude.

    Don't overrate us.

    We were garbage.

    I will bet Pak batsmen would play Ali well.


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    mA great bowling.

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    I think Moeen should get another game now.............
    Moeen has got all the batsman at least once in the top order.

    Is he really a part timer (20 wickets)........after last game I said this game it would be difficult for him as India would be ready for him.
    Can't deny now, he has better figures then Swann had.

    Good luck to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricketrenew View Post
    I think Moeen should get another game now.............
    Moeen has got all the batsman at least once in the top order.

    Is he really a part timer (20 wickets)........after last game I said this game it would be difficult for him as India would be ready for him.
    Can't deny now, he has better figures then Swann had.

    Good luck to him.
    What another game?

    He is DA MAN now.


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    Can we play you every week? Moeen would be singing to the Indians!

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    Should enjoy the temporary claim to fame, nothing special.

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    In a good company with Jimmy

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    Rlaely it deson’t mttaer waht I wirte you’ll sitll uanrtednsnd it

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    Looks a lot like @lostElectrons

    Any ways he has bowled pretty well I have to say. Got both Sanga and Makela out as well during the SL series from what I can recall.

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    If anything, he seems like a bowler who just takes wickets.

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    @Runner Up

    Delete that picture above. That picture is very depressing as if a girl is abandoned or orphaned, Allahu Alim.

    ^ on topic;

    A spinner dominating spin-dominated-batsmen in real format is indeed real talent comparatively. Spinners from limited formats are nowhere near spinner like Moeen Ali; truly he is blessed talent, Masha Allah!.

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    i just checked Swanns averages and strike rate and Moeen has BETTER average and strike rate than Swann.

    Quite extraordinary performance anyway but his wickets have come against such accomplished players of spin as the Sri Lankans and Indians !

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    At the centre of the drama was again the distinctive figure of Moeen who, in the space of two Tests, has gone from a spinner whom England did not really trust to a match-winner of almost Graeme Swann-like proportions.

    It was at Old Trafford where Moeen once took 12 wickets in a match for Worcestershire and now he mesmerised an India side supposedly proficient against spin for the second successive Test after excelling in Southampton.

    Moeen had taken six wickets in the second innings in that comprehensive victory at the Ageas Bowl and now he added four more to thrill the Manchester crowd and take his tally to an extraordinary 19 in four matches in this series.

    When you consider that only Ray Illingworth, with 20 victims in 1967, has taken more wickets with spin in a home series against India for England then you can appreciate the scale of this Test novice’s achievement.

    India simply had no answer to Moeen, who has bowled his off-spin significantly quicker since Lord’s, and the imperious Anderson, who claimed supposed danger man Virat Kohli for the fourth time for just seven runs.



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cri...#ixzz39y9DPWMl
    Last edited by s28; 10th August 2014 at 07:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    i just checked Swanns averages and strike rate and Moeen has BETTER average and strike rate than Swann.

    Quite extraordinary performance anyway but his wickets have come against such accomplished players of spin as the Sri Lankans and Indians !
    Swann took 5fers IN Sri Lanka, India, Australia and South Africa though. That is on another level.

    Nevertheless Moeen has started brilliantly and had a big impact on renewing the fans interest in English cricket, long may he continue.

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    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/crick...ricket+Feed%29

    "Pride of our Ali! Moeen dominates as England beat India"

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cri..._campaign=1490

    "England cricket crowd sing Moeen Ali's name after Super Mo's thrilling four-wicket haul at Old Trafford against India"

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/28727194

    "England v India: Moeen Ali at heart of his side's revival"

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    England vs India fourth Test: India are Moeen down as Ali sets up innings victory

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/c...d-9659324.html

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    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...i-fourth-test?

    Moeen Ali leads England victory charge as woeful India collapse

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    England v India: Moeen Ali brings an injection of pace and transforms into a match-winner

    Off-spinner adds speed to his deliveries to become a huge threat to batsmen and a key man for England

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...ch-winner.html

    Pace is everything in Test cricket. The extra pace of the quick men makes the game the ultimate test.
    Some baulk at various coaches’ insistence at bowlers bowling at a certain pace to be effective in Test cricket. But it is no blanket nonsense.
    On flat pitches - which the majority of Test pitches are - you need that extra pace, unless you are a genuine swing bowler who can swing the ball both ways.
    That is where India’s Bhuvneshwar Kumar comes in. And if you can bowl quickly, and swing the ball both ways, like England’s James Anderson, then you really are in business.
    But pace is also vital for a spinner. Moeen Ali’s remarkable transformation from distrusted part-time off-spinner to match-winner has all been down to his pace. Quite simply, he has decided to propel his twirlers a little more quickly and it has made him a different bowler. The club cricketer’s cliche of ‘give it some air’ might work for crease-bound batsmen at that level, but not for the top practitioners. Then pace and revolutions become key. Moeen has found both.

    In an excellent piece of analysis here yesterday, Sky Sports showed that during the first Test at Trent Bridge most of Moeen’s off-spinners were delivered at between 50 and 55 mph. During this Test he did not bowl at that pace at all. He was always above 55mph.
    A few years ago I watched an England net session in South Africa. In one net Graeme Swann was bowling, in the other James Tredwell. The difference in the pace of their deliveries was astonishing. It is one of the main reasons why Swann played 60 Tests and Tredwell just one, despite being a handy one-day operator.
    Moeen’s impact has been quite startling. There were six wickets in the second innings in the victory at Southampton and now here four wickets as England won by an innings and 54 runs, after an extraordinary final session in which India lost nine wickets. Moeen now has 19 wickets in the series.
    Regardless of the square’s direction, it is a ground that has always helped spin, and Moeen took 12 wickets here for Worcestershire in a county championship victory in 2012.
    He probably bowled even better here than at Southampton. He created pressure with his pace so that the decision time for the batsmen was limited and the pitch’s natural bounce meant that short leg and leg slip were always in the game. The truth is also that England needed him yesterday. The injured Stuart Broad was out of action, and whilst Anderson took two wickets and always bowled with venom, he was off the field for some time.
    And it has to be said that Chris Woakes and Chris Jordan were below par for much of the time. Yes, Jordan finished off proceedings with two wickets, including a superb yorker for Pankaj Singh, but he is still very much a work in progress.
    Moeen’s haul began with some luck. Cheteshwar Pujara was adjudged lbw when well forward, but television replays confirmed what most batsmen would have thought in the circumstances: that the ball was going over the stumps.
    No matter. India, with their ludicrous stance against the Decision Review System, have only themselves to blame for
    that.
    Next Ajinkya Rahane chipped back a return catch, taken neatly by Moeen. He does appear a decent fielder off his own bowling. It is often an understated skill for a spinner. They do receive an awful lot of balls hit back at them, both to catch and to field. They need to be prepared.
    What is amazing is how poorly this Indian side play spin. You could argue that they do not play seam particularly well either, and you would hardly be shouted down.
    But the weakness against spin stands out, not just because they see so much of it, but also because they possess such a fine coach of it in Duncan Fletcher. He altered England’s playing of it considerably during his tenure. But sadly Virat Kohli is India’s best player of spin and he just cannot survive long enough against the seamers to impose himself on Moeen. Anderson got him again here.
    And that brought in Ravindra Jadeja, who played an extraordinary shot from his second ball, the left-hander advancing down the pitch and slogging through mid-wicket for four. It did not hint at permanence. Indeed it screamed surrender.
    Just three balls later Jadeja was gone. It was not that surprising. He pushed forward to Moeen and the edge went to slip, where Jordan, who is an excellent slipper, took the catch.
    Probably most galling for India was the demise of their captain MS Dhoni. He had battled gamely in the first innings. And with the weather forecast poor, he might have taken the game into today and given England some jitters. But in attempting to be positive against Moeen, he clipped in the air to mid-wicket where
    Gary Ballance took a sharp
    catch.
    Moeen had four wickets, but he was not finished. This time he effected a run out. Bhuvneshwar Kumar pushed the ball out into the covers for what appeared to be a long single but little more.
    Calamitously Kumar came back for the second, and Moeen slid, threw on the turn to wicketkeeper Jos Buttler to leave Kumar well out.
    Jordan mopped up, but it had been Moeen who had won the day. And the Test

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    What a lot of people forget about Moeen is how young he is. Still only mid-20s. Traditionally spinners are late developers and can play well into their 30's so he has a long career ahead of him.

    Graeme Swann only really established himself in the England team at around 30 years old.
    Saeed Ajmal made his debut for Pakistan in his 30's.

    Given the amount of Test cricket England play there is scope for Moeen to easily overtake the accomplishments of Ajmal in Test cricket and even to surpass Swann's 200+ wickets

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    Everyone in England loves The Beard That's Feared.

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    Cmon now, he's a basic part time spin bowler and comparing him to Swan just cause he bowled decently against a mediocre Indian team in one series is just ridiculous.


    He seriously need to work on his batting.

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    Given that Ajmal can't take wickets without chucking allegations according to latest ICC reporting Moeen is doing brilliantly well.

    i suspect ECB have asked him not to bowl the doosra so as not cause controversy ?

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    Early June in a interview by Sky Sports before a Worcestershire game, Ajmal said that he didn't think Ali was ready to be a frontline spinner in a test match for another 6 weeks, essentially saying he needs to bowl more. Just after those 6 weeks, Ali took a 6fer. Just sayin'.


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    We love you Ali! You are almost worthy of being a Yorkshireman!

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    Cricket has always possessed a thrilling capacity to accelerate from the mundane to the matchlessly dramatic within the space of a few moments. But rarely has that glorious quirk been so stunningly demonstrated, rarely have the odds seemed so unpromising, and rarely has the leading man carried such slender credentials.
    Moeen Ali, or ‘Super Mo’ as he is now known in this part of Manchester, has shuffled almost unwillingly into the spotlight these past few weeks. He came to the side with hopes of proving himself a high-class middle order batsman. He acquired a reputation for an awareness of events far beyond the playing field with a wristband supporting the humanitarian cause in Gaza.
    And, above and beyond all this, he has revealed himself to be the spinner who England had almost despaired of unearthing.
    Time and again, he made the kind of timely intervention which he has been making all series. And the manner of his wickets finally buried his reputation as no more than a bits and pieces bowler.


    And everything he did, everything he tried, only emphasised his newly won eminence. Another cunningly teasing ball saw Ravindra Jadeja prodding forward with unwisely hard hands. Chris Jordan simply devoured the catch and India stood at 66 for six, with the last rites waiting to be read.
    Throughout the day, we had heard how Hurricane Bertha was preparing to make her entrance, that chances of play were less than poor, and that the result might be held in abeyance until late on Monday, with a draw the heavy favourite. All changed, utterly.
    Only MS Dhoni stood between India and a rout, but by now the script had been written. Over came Moeen’s arm, swish went Dhoni’s bat, and Gary Balance, leaping to his right, penalised the shoddy shot. At 105 for seven, the threat of Big Bertha had become all but irrelevant,
    By now, it seemed that the England spinner had run out of new ways to impose himself on this extraordinary match, but he discovered a further ploy when, with India on 133, Bhuvneshwar Kumar elected to jog a second run. He was almost inviting the run out, and Moeen responded with a superb slide and a pinpoint throw.


    The crowd crowed ecstatically, England converged upon the executioner in the field, and up in the radio box, Geoffrey Boycott observed: ‘There’s more brains in a pork pie.’
    Jordan finished off proceedings, but by then the heavy lifting had been done. An innings and 54 runs!
    It was way beyond the most optimistic expectations after an abject display at Lord’s. But the reality was blinking out from the scoreboard, and with it the information that Moeen Ali had returned figures of 13 overs, three maidens, four wickets for 39 runs.
    ‘Mo! Mo! Super Mo! Super Moeen Ali!’ The chant came rolling across the ground as the crowd hailed a genuinely famous victory. Half an hour after the close, with the rest of the England team celebrating in the dressing room, Moeen was down among the fans; signing scorecards, posing for pictures, enduring a few hundred back-slapping compliments.
    The historians informed us that England had not won in three days since 1967.
    But the man of the moment was not listening to the historians last night. He was enjoying the wonder of the moment, when a Test match was won and a new and welcome figure took his well-earned place at the high table of the English game.

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    Nice article from Derek Pringle

    Saying Ali should be referred to as 'The Bristle that brings Dismissal' rather than 'The Beard that's feared'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...r-to-fear.html
    Last edited by s28; 11th August 2014 at 23:40.

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    I'd take 20 legitimate wickets over 200 with question marks attached.

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    Mamoon has gone a bit quiet supporting his chucking mates.

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    The Bristle that brings Dismissal

    Hahaha thats a great nickname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    I'd take 20 legitimate wickets over 200 with question marks attached.
    The training for those 20 and the credit goes to Saeed Ajmal

    Before Moeen met Saeed he was a trundler averaging medicore figures with the ball on the county circuit


    "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles"

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    That may well be but it doesn't change the facts now does it ?

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    Ajmal taught Moeen how to bowl the vile doosra, the ball that's going to end Ajmal's own career if he is not careful.

    Moeen bowled it 3 times in 7 Test matches and has abandoned it. Now he bowls pure straight arm off-spin in the classical style.


    Moeen is now The Beard That's Feared

    Ajmal is now The Stubble That's In Trouble

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    Ajmal taught Moeen how to bowl the vile doosra, the ball that's going to end Ajmal's own career if he is not careful.

    Moeen bowled it 3 times in 7 Test matches and has abandoned it. Now he bowls pure straight arm off-spin in the classical style.


    Moeen is now The Beard That's Feared

    Ajmal is now The Stubble That's In Trouble


    It's a bit ridiculous not to credit Moeen's transformation into a world class bowler to his mentor Saeed Ajmal


    Just as Simon' Jones' instrumental role in 2005 was down to his wonderful tuition from Waqar Younis at Glamorgan


    "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles"

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    Success has many fathers but Failure is an orphan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Success has many fathers but Failure is an orphan.
    So you do credit Saeed Ajmal


    The acknowledgment of our weakness is the first step in repairing our loss


    "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles"

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    How Umpire Dharmesana guided Moeen to success

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/i...1/377211.html?

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    Might be another 5 for you Ali if England can pile the runs on again.

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    So we now have Ajmal, Bell, Cook and Dharmesana all having had a hand in Moeens success

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    At his current rate of improvement he should surpass Warne and Muralitharan let alone Swann

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    Looks out of his depth as a Test Batsman especially against spin and genuine pace.

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    hehe...moen bhai can't bat

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    He looked out of his depth as a spinner a few weeks ago too. The way hes improved in that facet just indicates how hard he works and I'm sure we will see his batting improve. Too early to write him off yet.

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    The new ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boi View Post
    He looked out of his depth as a spinner a few weeks ago too. The way hes improved in that facet just indicates how hard he works and I'm sure we will see his batting improve. Too early to write him off yet.
    His bowling has steadily improved while his batting has declined since that 100. His weakness against the short ball has been exposed. Also looks very tentative vs Spin. Has a lot of things to work on i feel he has negelcted his batting.

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