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  1. #2161
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    Imagine the total beizzati that would have been heaped upon India if they had to face an England team with two Brummies in.

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    https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/840491

    Moeen Ali had a bad winter, but that didn’t mean he was a bad player, the off-spinner insisted after returning 5/63 to stifle India on Friday, 31 August.

    India looked well on course to topple England’s first innings 246, with Virat Kohli and Cheteshwar Pujara adding 92 for the third wicket. But Ali then dismissed all of Ajinkya Rahane (11), Rishabh Pant (0), Hardik Pandya (4), R Ashwin (1) and Mohammed Shami (0) to leave the visitors reeling at 195/8.

    For Ali, it was a return of the good times, much needed after his travails in Australia during the Ashes, when he returned just five wickets in as many matches.

    “It is about believing you are not a bad player after one bad winter,” Ali said after play on the second day. “Many players have gone through that. For me, it was about moving on and hoping it made me a better player, a stronger character.

    “It was about going out there performing for my country knowing I can do well here in England because I have done it before. Yes, it was a bad winter but I shrugged it off.”

    Finding a role he is happy with has helped. “This role is my best, batting [No7] and as a second spinner. It gives me confidence and freedom, and I end up playing better.”

    It was Ali’s second five-wicket haul against India at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton, and the all-rounder said that had provided a boost to his confidence. “Last time I was here, it gave me a bit of confidence for today,” he said. “It brings back memories and it's nice to have that at the back of your mind. It was great to be back and have so many people cheer for you.

    “Australia is a difficult place for a foreign spinner, no matter who you are. For me it was about getting over that and coming back knowing I have played India in England before, done well and there was no reason why not again.”

    India recovered from Ali's burst, with Pujara scoring an unbeaten 257-ball 132. England then ended the day at 6/0, trailing India by 21 runs, but Ali said posting the visitors a big target would be difficult on a pitch assisting bowlers.

    “That will be difficult against their bowlers but we will have to fight hard to win this series here,” he said. “After my first over I thought I would be in the game throughout this Test match, which was nice.”


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    Haters are in twist here.

    On one hand, India is the greatest team of all times

    And on the other hand, they have to underrate Mo's 5fer against the 'greatest' team!

    Hilarious.

  4. #2164
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    Moeen Ali now batting at Number 3!


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    One of the most insane batting promotions that I have ever seen.

    Outcome is likely to either be insanely bad or insanely good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    One of the most insane batting promotions that I have ever seen.

    Outcome is likely to either be insanely bad or insanely good!
    Yep - very Pakistani this type of promotion


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    One of the most insane batting promotions that I have ever seen.

    Outcome is likely to either be insanely bad or insanely good!
    Wouldn't do worser then root currently.

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    I would keep him at #3 for the next match as well, especially in England win this one. He plays at #3 for his county and could do well there, especially overseas, with England touring Sri Lanka and the West Indies next. This also makes everyone else's job easier, which is what Ali has been doing throughout his career.

    Cook
    Jennings/Hameed
    Moeen
    Root
    Bairstow
    Stokes
    Buttler
    Woakes
    Curran/Leach
    Rashid
    Broad/Anderson

    ^ Decent team for Sri Lanka.


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    England decided to sacrifice Moeen Ali at no.3 for baqra eid.

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    Clever thinking from England, this way Moeen has a nice long rest and will be fresh when it's time for him to bowl out India in the 4th innings

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    He should bat permanently in the top order for Eng. Maybe at 3 or 4. He is too good to bat at 7. England don't have much of the choice either.

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    England trying to channel Moeen's inner Amla here?

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    Top performance, Sam did well but the difference in this test was Moen.
    India was able to play Moen easily in India but somehow in England he is holding upper hand.

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    What a player!!!!! Game changer

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    Tremendous respect for this lad. Humble and gets the job done without any fuss. Flatters to deceive at times, but he’s an impact player for sure.

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    You got to love moeen. Unless you are mamoon.

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    Against India he looks like Sobers 2.0. Runs, wkts and psychological dominance. 😁😄

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Haters are in twist here.

    On one hand, India is the greatest team of all times

    And on the other hand, they have to underrate Mo's 5fer against the 'greatest' team!

    Hilarious.
    Maybe a 10fer soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Against India he looks like Sobers 2.0. Runs, wkts and psychological dominance. 😁😄
    In England yes, in India not really.

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    Woah. Matchwinning high impact performance in his comeback game, important runs in the first dig and then destroyed the midsection of both Indian innings with a hatful of wickets. Amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In England yes, in India not really.
    Well some people only perform at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In England yes, in India not really.
    Two centuries in his only tour of India, thus far. Needs to work on the bowling though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    Well some people only perform at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Two centuries in his only tour of India, thus far. Needs to work on the bowling though.
    In that series Karun Nair had a triple ton, so hope you know what standards were on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    In that series Karun Nair had a triple ton, so hope you know what standards were on.
    In his home conditions.

    2 tons from Moeen, in an away series in India, is a very good effort for an all-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    In his home conditions.

    2 tons from Moeen, in an away series in India, is a very good effort for an all-rounder.
    Fair in a way,It's in in terms of what were overall scores ,if your criteria is just England team then maybe yeah, plus he wasn't able to bowl in spinning pitches as well as he does in England

    Also that was Karuns first ton as such, just saying might be his home but still.
    In the same test Rahul made 199.

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    Already more 5-fers than Flintoff..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Fair in a way,It's in in terms of what were overall scores ,if your criteria is just England team then maybe yeah, plus he wasn't able to bowl in spinning pitches as well as he does in England

    Also that was Karuns first ton as such, just saying might be his home but still.
    In the same test Rahul made 199.
    Sorry, what are you trying to say? Were those easy conditions for batsmen or were the matches played on "spinning pitches"? Either way, he scored two tons against the Indians in their own conditions, which is very impressive.


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    Since Moeen's debut on 12th June 2014, only Steve Smith has more Man of the Match awards in test matches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    Since Moeen's debut on 12th June 2014, only Steve Smith has more Man of the Match awards in test matches.



    Exceptional. How far behind Smith is he?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    Exceptional. How far behind Smith is he?
    Smith has 8, Moeen has 6. I believe Kohli and Herath also have 6 MOTM awards in that time.

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    Well played Moeen - embarrassed Kohli and co again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Sorry, what are you trying to say? Were those easy conditions for batsmen or were the matches played on "spinning pitches"? Either way, he scored two tons against the Indians in their own conditions, which is very impressive.
    Good you asked and hopefully you remember that logic now.

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    As average as Moeen is as a player, England's usually stronger with him in it. He's England's best spinner despite being part time, which is kind of telling of England's spin resources at the moment. By playing him (and not a spinner), you get to play an extra pace bowler. Usually one that can bat e.g. Woakes, Curran. This strengthens the batting side immensely instead of forcing to pick a spinning tailender over Woakes or Curran.

    If England had stronger players, Moeen wouldn't even get a look in. But Moeen fills a lot of the gaps in the England side, hence he doesn't need to be extraordinary to do that as long as he covers them and fills them allowing England to play a stronger side.

    Ideally he'd develop into a Hafeez type player, someone who averages around 40 up the order and provides spin bowling. Not a standout player, but gives more bowling balance to the side, and ideally plays up the order as a bit more of a sacrifice, allowing the better players to play down the order. Like in Pakistan's situation there were no real good openers, so england might as well play a guy who at least provides value to the team (i.e combination of ball and bat).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post


    Exceptional. How far behind Smith is he?
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    Smith has 8, Moeen has 6. I believe Kohli and Herath also have 6 MOTM awards in that time.
    I think both Stokes and Root have 6 as well, but he is sure to win more in the future. The criticisms he has found himself under have been harsh especially with regards to his possible selection in this series and he was often looked upon as an inferior selection to Rashid by folk from hells on earth like Sheffield, Bradford, Yorkshire and Peshawar to Mo can sure be more consistent but he is arguably England's biggest match winner in Tests.

    India fans were in a coma after 2014, now they are completely fried Just look at their bitter posts over the years in this thread Sore losers


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Moeen biting back at his critics once again.

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    Talk Nah @James , this bloke was glorifying Adils performances over the past 3 games this is how you win Test matches for your country, it was so humiliating how Adil was being refereed to as the 2nd spinner on commentary and treated that way on the field to, hope he never plays for England again.
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    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Admire his attitude and the way man carries himself. He is a role model for young Muslim youth of England. Classy.

    #Respect

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I think both Stokes and Root have 6 as well, but he is sure to win more in the future. The criticisms he has found himself under have been harsh especially with regards to his possible selection in this series and he was often looked upon as an inferior selection to Rashid by folk from hells on earth like Sheffield, Bradford, Yorkshire and Peshawar to Mo can sure be more consistent but he is arguably England's biggest match winner in Tests.

    India fans were in a coma after 2014, now they are completely fried Just look at their bitter posts over the years in this thread Sore losers
    Stokes and Root both have 5, as do Williamson, Rabada and Jadeja.

    The Bradman of Bowling has 4

    Anderson, Broad and Cook have 3, as do Yasir Shah and Younis Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    Stokes and Root both have 5, as do Williamson, Rabada and Jadeja.

    The Bradman of Bowling has 4

    Anderson, Broad and Cook have 3, as do Yasir Shah and Younis Khan.
    I checked just now found that Root has 6 as well but my bad Stokes indeed has 5, how fitting because I believe he is as big a match winner as Joe and he now has won more awards hen Ben to when people keep advocating a silly idea that he is levels below.

    Even in those home conditions after so many games I expected better from Ravi Chuckwin


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I checked just now found that Root has 6 as well but my bad Stokes indeed has 5, how fitting because I believe he is as big a match winner as Joe and he now has won more awards hen Ben to when people keep advocating a silly idea that he is levels below.

    Even in those home conditions after so many games I expected better from Ravi Chuckwin
    "Since Moeen's debut on 12th June 2014"

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    Moeen doing well so far in his new lofty batting position, can he reach a half century?

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    37* (138) so far

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    That entry in the scorebook would make Trott proud, he's done enough to get a decent run at #3 now.

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    The number of big knocks that England No.3s have registered since Trott stepped down has been negligible. Even a 50 is pretty good compared with what we’ve been used to.

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    Moeen is an England great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The number of big knocks that England No.3s have registered since Trott stepped down has been negligible. Even a 50 is pretty good compared with what we’ve been used to.
    Since he has been given another chance at no.3 I hope he is given a long rope in the top order or else this is pointless even though I have my own reservations. Having said that these 50 runs from a no.3 are like gold regardless from an England POV. He did a well enough job to make things easy for Root but he failed yet again even in his preffered spot, no excuse from a big player.

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    Deserves a full series at #3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Moeen is an England great.
    No. Not yet.

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    Don't think his bowling will be good enough outside of England to be the number 1 spinner. England should utilise his batting more. Not sure if he's a number 3 but he can do a good job at 5 or 6.

    To bat at 3 you have to be able to get big scores, don't think Moen can score big 100 plus scores on a consistent basis .

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    I do hope that he does establish himself in a team as a batsman cause the man has talent - however at the international level he doesn't seem to have the skills for a no3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Don't think his bowling will be good enough outside of England to be the number 1 spinner. England should utilise his batting more. Not sure if he's a number 3 but he can do a good job at 5 or 6.

    To bat at 3 you have to be able to get big scores, don't think Moen can score big 100 plus scores on a consistent basis .
    The thing is no spinner in England has won more Test matches with their bowling then Moeen, he is the no.1 spinner by default even though this may not be his forte. The sooner England accept this the better, rather then waste their time and resources looking for specialists who keep failing it is better to back the one who is more accomplished and shown that he deserves a long rope / support, am sure we can still consider other options for the role of second spinner.

    The performances away have not come but Mo needs to be shown more faith at the same time, when you're bowling even on favourable wickets away from home for the first time at international level it's never easy even for a seasoned veteran like Ravi Ashwin, but with time one can improve. The winter wasn't great for Mo and we know how tough those places can be and he had to play in those games with little prep and 50% match fitness because of Stokes.

    I agree with you about the batting position but if these guys are having him bat at no.3 then they need to give him consistent chances or its pointless.
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    I think he'll be fine at 3 in Sri Lanka and the Caribbean. It's on quicker wickets where he'll have problems adjusting defensively because his technique isn't sufficiently robust.

    On his role as a spinner, he can hardly do worse than the last two winters. I don't expect him to do poorly against Sri Lanka, because the wickets will turn more than the Indian pitches two years ago, that were featherbeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    The thing is no spinner in England has won more Test matches with their bowling then Moeen, he is the no.1 spinner by default even though this may not be his forte. The sooner England accept this the better, rather then waste their time and resources looking for specialists who keep failing it is better to back the one who is more accomplished and shown that he deserves a long rope / support, am sure we can still consider other options for the role of second spinner.

    The performances away have not come but Mo needs to be shown more faith at the same time, when you're bowling even on favourable wickets away from home for the first time at international level it's never easy even for a seasoned veteran like Ravi Ashwin, but with time one can improve. The winter wasn't great for Mo and we know how tough those places can be and he had to play in those games with little prep and 50% match fitness because of Stokes.

    I agree with you about the batting position but if these guys are having him bat at no.3 then they need to give him consistent chances or its pointless.
    In home conditions he should be the sole spinner but In Asian conditions, I don't see him being successful. His best chance to make a career in test cricket is as a batsmen. He has the qualities but just needs a consistent run in the middle order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    In home conditions he should be the sole spinner but In Asian conditions, I don't see him being successful. His best chance to make a career in test cricket is as a batsmen. He has the qualities but just needs a consistent run in the middle order.
    Make a career? He's playing his 52nd test match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Make a career? He's playing his 52nd test match.
    What I meant was a consistent place . He isn't a certainty to start as we have seen in the last few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    What I meant was a consistent place . He isn't a certainty to start as we have seen in the last few months.
    He's indispensable. Their best spinner and now their #3 batsman. One would think you're speaking about someone who has been in and out of the test team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    He's indispensable. Their best spinner and now their #3 batsman. One would think you're speaking about someone who has been in and out of the test team.
    We know what he can in home conditions but he struggled against Australia and New Zealand hence he was dropped. It would better for him to bat at 4 or 5 . Keeps him away from the new ball and allows him to face the spinners which he has shown he is more than capable of playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    We know what he can in home conditions but he struggled against Australia and New Zealand hence he was dropped. It would better for him to bat at 4 or 5 . Keeps him away from the new ball and allows him to face the spinners which he has shown he is more than capable of playing.
    Australia and New Zealand are the worse case scenario for a player like him. A graveyard for offies and bouncy, fast pitches that assist the faster men. Plus, he was never fully fit for these tours.

    England's problem is that they have a bunch of good players who are all suited to batting at 5, 6 and 7. Unlike the rest, Ali can and has done well at the #3 position so it's not a bad tactic to try him there for the series against Sri Lanka at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Australia and New Zealand are the worse case scenario for a player like him. A graveyard for offies and bouncy, fast pitches that assist the faster men. Plus, he was never fully fit for these tours.

    England's problem is that they have a bunch of good players who are all suited to batting at 5, 6 and 7. Unlike the rest, Ali can and has done well at the #3 position so it's not a bad tactic to try him there for the series against Sri Lanka at least.

    Yes that is true but he couldn't even keep things tight and he has failed on more than 1 oversees tour. If you can't pick up wickets as a spinner in overseas conditions , you need to be able to keep it tight.

    Ali hasn't done well in the top order at international career. He failed in the UAE as a opener. He can do a good job in the middle order for the reasons I mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    We know what he can in home conditions but he struggled against Australia and New Zealand hence he was dropped. It would better for him to bat at 4 or 5 . Keeps him away from the new ball and allows him to face the spinners which he has shown he is more than capable of playing.
    There are other betters examples of failure with the ball away from home, don't think he did too well in India but came to the party with his bat over there. As for AUS / NZ, it's tough there as it is but we know the prep was poor also due to his injuries and lack of match fitness.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    Fantastic all round match winning performance from Mo


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    41 and 2 wickets in the semi-final.
    41 and 3 wickets in the final.

    Took out the biggest scalp in each opponent's side, too (Buttler and Wright).

    Brilliant day for Worcestershire. Moeen, Ben Cox and Pat Brown were all superb in both games.

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    Fantastic bowling from Moeen in this match. Eight-wicket haul that takes him to 150 test wickets. Should get to 200 in his next few matches too.

    Hope he's given a long run at #3 because England would love to have a #3 who averages 40-42 with the bat but is also their best spinner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    In home conditions he should be the sole spinner but In Asian conditions, I don't see him being successful. His best chance to make a career in test cricket is as a batsmen. He has the qualities but just needs a consistent run in the middle order.
    Do you still see him not being successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post

    Not bad.

    Clearly a fan of Sobers.

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    Moeen over HTB ashwin anyday of the week.

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    Good display with the ball this match, not so good with the bat though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Fantastic bowling from Moeen in this match. Eight-wicket haul that takes him to 150 test wickets. Should get to 200 in his next few matches too.

    Hope he's given a long run at #3 because England would love to have a #3 who averages 40-42 with the bat but is also their best spinner.



    Do you still see him not being successful?

    In Asian conditions he should play in the middle order and in England he can play as a sole spinner. If he bats at 3 , I think he may struggle.

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    He's going to go down as one of Englands great cricketers. Truly a great allround player. One of the best in the world inmho.


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