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  1. #2321
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    True and he needs time away from the game but there is a valid point regarding being the leading wicket taker in Tests over the last year and then being dropped after one bad game. Moving forward he will remain in contention especially in asia and potentially at home to as we are not producing world class spinners who are able to cement their spot thus far but lets see maybe Leach will change that


    Denly/Bairstow hardly set the world on fire.

    Nobody could Smith out that was the problem.
    I agree Moeens bowling has not been as good as before but that's because he his being asked to tinker with his action. Only thing I can criticise is that Moeen does not seem to to take control of his bowling and fields. Smith was constantly flicking him to the leg side for a single. He should have put a field in those positions.

    Overall I do feel people like Ian Bell, Gary Balance seem to have been given matches when they could have been dropped in similar situations in the past.

    If Leach takes his opportunity I don't feel it will a long time fix...….

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    The incessant whining here by a few is frankly embarrassing.

    His batting has been non existent for a while now, and while I don’t follow English domestic cricket I’m sure there are better specialist spinners in the country.

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    Moeen Ali has decided to take some time off after he was dropped for the second Ashes 2019 Test at Lord’s which gets underway on Thursday.

    Moeen made only four runs in two innings at Edgbaston which the hosts went down by 251 runs in a historic defeat. Add to that, he has reached 50 only once in his last 16 Test innings and has also struggled to make an impact with the ball in the previous series against Australia.

    The 32-year-old England allrounder has now made up his mind to go on a short break before he returns to play for Worcestershire. “Mo is spending a little time away from the middle recharging his batteries and putting in some quality practice time which he feels he needs, and we completely respect,” coach Alex Gidman said on Tuesday.

    “He has had an intense schedule of international cricket involving the ICC World Cup and the start of the Ashes. Mo loves playing for Worcestershire and he gives a lift to everyone in the dressing room when he comes back and plays for us. We saw at Trent Bridge (in the Blast) what he gives to us and we look forward to when he returns soon.”

    Earlier, Moeen conceded his batting form in Test cricket is an issue going into the series but hoped to play with freedom in the upcoming matches. He has played 59 Tests, averaging close to 30 with the bat. However, in the longer format, he averages around 16 in the last 16 Tests, with only two half-centuries.

    “As an all-rounder I can affect every innings of the game but in all honesty, I know my batting has been a problem of late. Given I’ll probably be coming in at No 8, my primary role is with the ball and since returning to the side last summer against India my record has been strong in this department,” he said.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...ds-test-879500


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  4. #2324
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    Moeen is cooked. Can't bat, can't bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Moeen Ali has decided to take some time off after he was dropped for the second Ashes 2019 Test at Lord’s which gets underway on Thursday.

    Moeen made only four runs in two innings at Edgbaston which the hosts went down by 251 runs in a historic defeat. Add to that, he has reached 50 only once in his last 16 Test innings and has also struggled to make an impact with the ball in the previous series against Australia.

    The 32-year-old England allrounder has now made up his mind to go on a short break before he returns to play for Worcestershire. “Mo is spending a little time away from the middle recharging his batteries and putting in some quality practice time which he feels he needs, and we completely respect,” coach Alex Gidman said on Tuesday.

    “He has had an intense schedule of international cricket involving the ICC World Cup and the start of the Ashes. Mo loves playing for Worcestershire and he gives a lift to everyone in the dressing room when he comes back and plays for us. We saw at Trent Bridge (in the Blast) what he gives to us and we look forward to when he returns soon.”

    Earlier, Moeen conceded his batting form in Test cricket is an issue going into the series but hoped to play with freedom in the upcoming matches. He has played 59 Tests, averaging close to 30 with the bat. However, in the longer format, he averages around 16 in the last 16 Tests, with only two half-centuries.

    “As an all-rounder I can affect every innings of the game but in all honesty, I know my batting has been a problem of late. Given I’ll probably be coming in at No 8, my primary role is with the ball and since returning to the side last summer against India my record has been strong in this department,” he said.

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...ds-test-879500
    By break they appear to mean he won't be playing until this Sunday. Fairly odd wording from Worcestershire.

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    England do not have many good test players. The exception being Anderson, Broad and Root. They believe they can play the odi players in tests.

    In a test team you would ideally want to have 5 proper batsman, a batting all-rounder at number 6, the wicket-keeper at 7 and 4 quality bowlers.

    West Indies had this combination during the 1979 World Cup and they won it.
    In the 1983 World Cup West Indies should have had Kallicharran and King instead of Gomes and Bacchus. Also, they should have had Colin Croft and Sylvester Clarke instead of Wayne Daniel and Winston Davis. However, these players went on the rebel tour to South Africa.

    I believe West Indies missed Kallicharran and King in the final. They also missed Croft, Clarke and Rowe in the 1983 World Cup squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The incessant whining here by a few is frankly embarrassing.

    His batting has been non existent for a while now, and while I don’t follow English domestic cricket I’m sure there are better specialist spinners in the country.
    Well, I can’t think of one.

    He is actually the world’s leading test wicket taker over the last twelve months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricketrenew View Post
    Moeen needed Eid holiday....

    Another Asian player dropped after a few poor performances...…the England trend that continues...
    considering he is the leading wicket taker in the year amplifies the difference in treatment with other players. Other players normally get few games to bounce. Then get given a few more games....

    Moeen needs to forget he coaching and concentrate on putting revs on the ball and changing the speed of delivery not being samey all the time....
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.
    Maybe from the outside e.g media etc there may be a feeling which causes people to believe he is not given opportunity but internally it can not be in doubt how England have always loved having Mo in the dressing room and he has been a key player, we can perhaps criticise how he has been used given that a role hasn't always been defined even after playing so many games but beyond that it has been fine. In this moment it is clear he needs time away, whether or not he is given a chance again am not sure about that one though Robert but there is more of a chance if we need to play multiple spinners; if others do not grab the chance with both hands then Mo will get a look again, however I would keep my options open given our resources and also how Mo has won us games with the ball and shown good form prior to the 1st Test


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    A fine servant, who unfortunately is out of form and has completely lost his confidence. The right thing to do for Mo at the right time. He will be back, but probably not in an England jersey until at least next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Oh, stop. He has played 58 tests and 98 ODIs. He was dropped because his confidence is completely gone. He is currently a walking wicket and cannon-fodder with the ball. When he gets his confidence back at Worcs, England will pick him again.

    The England top three has been a revolving door during his 58 tests. About a dozen white guys have passed through.
    He seems to be dropped every year, then others don't stick, he comes back with man of match performances.

    Is it likely Bairstow or Denly will be dropped if they perform badly after the next match we will see.
    I doubt it they will be given more chances.
    Last edited by Cricketrenew; 14th August 2019 at 03:01.


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