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    Bullet Drive talking sense for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Btw he isn't a full spinner in my view and this is a one off performance. I doubt he will repeat this. He is not good enough.. Yet.

    And he is not a test class spinner either. He is definitely a sidekick but today came good.

    Not saying he is bad, but he's not top bowler.

    And he is MUCH better then Hafeez though as a test bowler.

    Will never see Hafeez bowl like Moeen today.
    Wow, that's a really good post based on realities.

    That's pretty much him so far. We'll see how he develops as a spinner in the coming years, if he develops at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistani_Legend View Post
    Breaking News: Moeen to wear new bands - Save India.
    Funny gizza lol

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    Hafeez is quite underrated on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not referring to you, Dr. I find you one of the few sane heads on this forum.
    Mamoon where is BENDERs (pic) gone? I like him man his sense o h out of this world funny

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    He looks much better than a part time spinner. He even has a doosra or the one that just goes straight.

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    Fear the Beard !!!

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    Moeen video "my best moment in an England shirt"



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...-3706774732001

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...time-year.html

    "Moeen Ali inspires England to victory in third Test as Alastair Cook's men win for the first time in a year"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Btw he isn't a full spinner in my view and this is a one off performance. I doubt he will repeat this. He is not good enough.. Yet.

    And he is not a test class spinner either. He is definitely a sidekick but today came good.

    Not saying he is bad, but he's not top bowler.

    And he is MUCH better then Hafeez though as a test bowler.

    Will never see Hafeez bowl like Moeen today.
    Mohammed Hafeez is a much better bowler than Moeen Ali
    118 wickets in odis at an average of 35 is nothing to be laughed at


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    Not sure why people are comparing Ali to Mohammed Hafeez.

    Hafeez is just a part time spinner who after 36 Test matches has only 35 wickets and is usually used as third spin option after Ajmal / Rehman etc

    Moeen in 5 test matches has 18 wickets and is being used as a front line spinner

    There is a massive gulf in class.

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    Scyld Berry :-

    England v India: Moeen Ali's mentality in third Test suggests he can fill void left by Graeme Swann

    Unflappable young spinner Moeen Ali shows the accuracy and skill against India to become an England fixture – and he can bat too

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...eme-Swann.html

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    Geoffrey Boycott :-

    The biggest bonus of all was Moeen Ali taking six wickets in the second innings. Here is a kid the selectors have pinned their faith on even though they were not sure he was good enough. Thankfully for them he has turned out to be the real deal.

    England can only go forward if they have a matchwinning spinner. We have got plenty of seamers but we need a spinner who can win the match when the ball turns late on in the game.

    It does not matter if one or two of his wickets were lucky because it is better to be lucky than good. If you are lucky and good, then the sky is the limit.

    He has a good action, an excellent straight on ball and he can spin it. He has all the attributes but what he has to do now is add better control to his game. He still bowls a number of easy, hittable four-balls. But the more he bowls the more he will improve. The other aspect I liked from this match was that captain and bowler were in sync with one another. The captain must have confidence in his bowlers. To me Cook never had that confidence in Monty Panesar. But he seems to have found confidence in Moeen and is quick to throw the ball to him very early on in the second innings. That will transmit itself to Moeen.


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    Mike Atherton :-

    "Moeen Ali offers final piece of puzzle in hunt for Graeme Swann’s heir"


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Mohammed Hafeez is a much better bowler than Moeen Ali
    118 wickets in odis at an average of 35 is nothing to be laughed at
    Test cricket bro.

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    Moeen is a better bowler, batsman and fielder then Hafeez.

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    " He is the first spinner since 1971 to take 15 Indian wickets in a series outside Asia."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/c...m-9641542.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Moeen is a better bowler, batsman and fielder then Hafeez.
    In tests yes.
    Not sure yet about LO.

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    I think people are taking his performance for-granted believing anyone can perform like that on a 5th day's pitch which isn't true. England might high struggled to finish off India's innings if they didn't have Moin.

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    Ridiculous how Moeen continues to be criticized by some posters. This lad nearly saved his team from a hopeless situation with a hundred against Sri Lanka and has now taken a six-fer against an immensely talented Indian batting line up. This too in his first five tests. Hafeez comparisons are laughable at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Mohammed Hafeez is a much better bowler than Moeen Ali
    118 wickets in odis at an average of 35 is nothing to be laughed at
    Mohammad Hafeez is not even close to specialist spinners in limited format as well. That guy is averaging 35, not 25 in bowling performance. That's not compliment. He has never been good batsman, but with 35 average of bowling performance suits to part-time spinner rather than specialist spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Mike Atherton :-

    "Moeen Ali offers final piece of puzzle in hunt for Graeme Swann’s heir"


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/...cle4163398.ece
    Moeen Ali is only going to get better as he practices with doosra delivery. He is already stepping up in Greame Swan's shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfield View Post
    I think people are taking his performance for-granted believing anyone can perform like that on a 5th day's pitch which isn't true. England might high struggled to finish off India's innings if they didn't have Moin.
    No bud.

    Its because some are judging Ali as a proper spinner and seeing if he is gonna make it.

    Does he have flight, dip or turn (like a proper spinner)? Or does he have accuracy and ability to bowl fast spinners like Monty and Jaddu (who themselves aren't effective wicket takers on a few pitches)?

    These are the things that give us an indication of how its going to be.

    Ali did well and deserves the success.

    But long term success is based on certain skills.


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    g


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Hafeez is quite underrated on this forum.
    Arguably the best LOI all-rounder around but people are talking 'bout tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    No bud.

    Its because some are judging Ali as a proper spinner and seeing if he is gonna make it.

    Does he have flight, dip or turn (like a proper spinner)? Or does he have accuracy and ability to bowl fast spinners like Monty and Jaddu (who themselves aren't effective wicket takers on a few pitches)?

    These are the things that give us an indication of how its going to be.

    Ali did well and deserves the success.

    But long term success is based on certain skills.
    From what I've seen, he has all that but has a tendency to go off the radar once in a while which is why he's been expensive in previous innings. He'll learn to keep it tight as time goes on though. His speed is also up by a few miles since his debut test.

    Quote Originally Posted by MalikMohsin View Post
    Mohammad Hafeez is not even close to specialist spinners in limited format as well. That guy is averaging 35, not 25 in bowling performance. That's not compliment. He has never been good batsman, but with 35 average of bowling performance suits to part-time spinner rather than specialist spinners.
    Economy of almost under 4 is amazing in this era. Definitely not a part-timer. South Africa, Australia, England and New Zealand would all pick him as a specialist spinner if they could.


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    The spin breakdown of today's cricket looks a little like this:

    Tier one: Ajmal, Herath
    Tier two: Ashwin, Abdur, Babar, Perera, Narine, Badree, Jadeja
    Tier three: Tahir, Mendis, Lyon, Kiwi "spinners"

    ^ This is only grouping by tier so it doesn't mean that Herath is as good as Ajmal or that Jadeja and Ashwin are equals.

    Moeen is currently in the third tier but has the potential to be one of the best in the second tier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    The spin breakdown of today's cricket looks a little like this:

    Tier one: Ajmal, Herath
    Tier two: Ashwin, Abdur, Babar, Perera, Narine, Badree, Jadeja
    Tier three: Tahir, Mendis, Lyon, Kiwi "spinners"

    ^ This is only grouping by tier so it doesn't mean that Herath is as good as Ajmal or that Jadeja and Ashwin are equals.

    Moeen is currently in the third tier but has the potential to be one of the best in the second tier.
    babar has virtually no feats while Lyon is in Tier 2. And there needs to be a tier 4 for NZ 'spinners' . Other than that, agreed.

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    Lyon in Tier 3?

    What?

    Lyon is one of the best spinners outside SC in the world today.

    Maybe due to lack of competition but he is one of the best. Tier 3 is crazy for him.


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    I'd put Jadeja in tier 3, at least in Tests. He's garbage particularly in this format.

    Ashwin is better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    babar has virtually no feats while Lyon is in Tier 2. And there needs to be a tier 4 for NZ 'spinners' . Other than that, agreed.
    Was based more on ability and not limited to tests. Lyon just doesn't look like someone who'll win you a game, he's the guy who'll keep it tight and let others do the damage.

    Agree on tier 4 though.


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    Ma sha allah i am very happy for him. a good player with good temperament. kudos to AJMAL bhai for helping him out with his bowling. i hope we get to see another great batsmen like AMLA in the making. he has the temperament and he just needs to play more and more cricket. he has been doing good lately in the test arena and its first time ENG won because of his bowling which is huge for them. i hope he master's the art and does well in the future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    The spin breakdown of today's cricket looks a little like this:

    Tier one: Ajmal, Herath
    Tier two: Ashwin, Abdur, Babar, Perera, Narine, Badree, Jadeja
    Tier three: Tahir, Mendis, Lyon, Kiwi "spinners"

    ^ This is only grouping by tier so it doesn't mean that Herath is as good as Ajmal or that Jadeja and Ashwin are equals.

    Moeen is currently in the third tier but has the potential to be one of the best in the second tier.
    Herath not good enough to be in tier one from what I've have seen.
    Moeen lot better then Jadeja. I think Jadeja and Herath should be in tier 3.

    I cannot think of anyone else that is too good other then Ajmal. Sad in a way.
    Ashwin may be close to any tier 1.

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    What are you talking? Herath is one of the best in the world.

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    Herath is as good as Ajmal in Tests.

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    Probably not Ajmal tier but Herath is definitely a notch above every other spinner in the world.


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    Do you think some of Ali's detractors are mad at him because they feel somehow he has betrayed them by playing for England and not playing for Pakistan (his dad is Pakistani)?

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    ^ Moeen bhai is not good enough for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    Do you think some of Ali's detractors are mad at him because they feel somehow he has betrayed them by playing for England and not playing for Pakistan (his dad is Pakistani)?
    On the contrary, most here support him because of his pakistani origin

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    Moeen is English. He should play for England.

    Anyway he has better chance in England as it is a more meritocratic and less corrupt culture.

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    There is a lot of talk about the relationship between Moeen and Ajmal and the whole master and apprentice thing as they play cricket together.

    But I think that if Ajmal works hard, one day he can be as good as Moeen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    Do you think some of Ali's detractors are mad at him because they feel somehow he has betrayed them by playing for England and not playing for Pakistan (his dad is Pakistani)?
    We have Hafeez, Afridi, Ajmal and many other options already.


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    Nice trolling.

    To be honest though Moeen the apprentice is ahead of the master right now. Ajmal debuted at 31. Moeen has a massive head start on him as spinners do tend to mature late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    There is a lot of talk about the relationship between Moeen and Ajmal and the whole master and apprentice thing as they play cricket together.

    But I think that if Ajmal works hard, one day he can be as good as Moeen.
    but ajmal can't bat so Sir Moen will always be ahead

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    Moeen bhai will never be half the bowler Ajmal is. Head-start does not matter when good enough, you are not. :yoda

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    There is a lot of talk about the relationship between Moeen and Ajmal and the whole master and apprentice thing as they play cricket together.

    But I think that if Ajmal works hard, one day he can be as good as Moeen.
    In growing a beard I hope you are alluding to

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    Huh?

    Moeen got a headstart and is ahead of the master now?



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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Nice trolling.

    To be honest though Moeen the apprentice is ahead of the master right now. Ajmal debuted at 31. Moeen has a massive head start on him as spinners do tend to mature late.
    Moen won't last in the team till the age of 31.....his honeymoon period will be over soon

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    honeymoon period over ?

    he has taken 15 wickets in 3 tests against India (mainly top order wickets)

    how awesome will he be against batsmen less proficient against spin on more spin friendly sub-continent wickets say ?

    must say I expect Pakistan's brittle batting line up to crumble against him on a first day pitch let alone a fifth day one

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCooper View Post
    There is a lot of talk about the relationship between Moeen and Ajmal and the whole master and apprentice thing as they play cricket together.

    But I think that if Ajmal works hard, one day he can be as good as Moeen.
    Cheers mate. Joke of the day

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    good to see Indian newspapers carrying some of these articles about Moeen

    http://www.thestatesman.net/news/692...-journey.html?

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    Coach Peter Moores :-

    “Moeen is in the side as a batter and a very rapidly emerging spin bowler,” Moore said. “I think Mo had a bit of a turning point before the Lord’s Test. Testament to some of the feedback that he got - I think Ian Bell was quite important in that - you can get feedback about the pace and lines that are difficult for batsmen to play.
    “Belly is a fantastic player of spin so he fed back to one of his team-mates, ‘Well, actually, I find that really difficult or that pace is quite nice for me.’ That’s what good teams should do, while Bell was batting in the nets, and then Mo decides what to do. You improve because you talk and work with people.”

    “His run-rate came down and he created some pressure,” he said. “Test cricket is about how rapidly people grow in it and he’s grown very quickly as a bowler. Hopefully, that carries on. He’s a very sensible lad, he knows he’s got to keep doing a lot of work.
    He does two things that are essential for a top-flight spinner - he attacks both edges. He gets great drift and then turns the ball. So he spins the ball hard. Without those two things, it is very difficult.
    “If you only attack one edge of the bat, people can work you out quite fast. But because Mo creates drift, that I think is a challenge for all batters. He can nick people off.”
    The 27-year-old’s performance was unaffected by the mid-match controversy he sparked by batting in wrist-bands proclaiming ‘Save Gaza’ and ‘Free Palestine’.
    Moeen, instructed by the International Cricket Council to remove them, was clearly not put off at becoming the centre of attention for non-cricketing reasons, which did not surprise Moores in the slightest.
    “I think he was conscious that it happened straightaway and realised it was a mistake that he had it on,” Moores said. “Moeen is a very level-headed bloke and that is one of his real strengths. He stays calm under pressure. So he took it for what it was and moved on.
    “Mo has his own personality. I love people who have their own brain and style. Mo has that. You have only to watch him play and how he goes about his business. When he talks to people here, he knows what he stands for and what he is about. That’s a great thing for him to have and it will stand him in good stead.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    honeymoon period over ?

    he has taken 15 wickets in 3 tests against India (mainly top order wickets)

    how awesome will he be against batsmen less proficient against spin on more spin friendly sub-continent wickets say ?

    must say I expect Pakistan's brittle batting line up to crumble against him on a first day pitch let alone a fifth day one
    mate I know he's good but now you are making him look like some Shane Warne.

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    My biggest worry for Moeen is what he'll be expected to do in the future, will he be a "Batting A/R" "Bowling A/R" "Batsman who can bowl a bit?" I mean what will England view him as on a long term basis? And looking at the way they are desperate for another Swan I think Moeen might not be around soon if his bowling starts failing at times.

    You got to keep in mind he has serious problems against short bowling (I recount him being bounced out twice this series?) Is also weak around the off stump and is a compulsive driver hence he'll always be a candidate for a nick off. His bowling heroics are covering up his batting weaknesses here and it's important he focuses and especially England remember he is in the team as a batsman who can bowl a bit and not try making him something (a Swan type bowler) as it could cut his batting development short.

    There is good potential in Moeen as he looks like he could play both pace and spin (I'd rather hold my judgement on him for now) but it's really important England remember he is a batsman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricketrenew View Post
    Herath not good enough to be in tier one from what I've have seen.
    Moeen lot better then Jadeja. I think Jadeja and Herath should be in tier 3.

    I cannot think of anyone else that is too good other then Ajmal. Sad in a way.
    Ashwin may be close to any tier 1.
    He's not as good of Ajmal obviously but they are in the same tier. Perhaps you can say that Ajmal stands alone with all formats considered though.

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    Do you think some of Ali's detractors are mad at him because they feel somehow he has betrayed them by playing for England and not playing for Pakistan (his dad is Pakistani)?
    The only haters are English bigots, Indian trolls and Mamoon. Everyone else has only been giving constructive criticism and want to see him do well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover_Drive View Post
    My biggest worry for Moeen is what he'll be expected to do in the future, will he be a "Batting A/R" "Bowling A/R" "Batsman who can bowl a bit?" I mean what will England view him as on a long term basis? And looking at the way they are desperate for another Swan I think Moeen might not be around soon if his bowling starts failing at times.

    You got to keep in mind he has serious problems against short bowling (I recount him being bounced out twice this series?) Is also weak around the off stump and is a compulsive driver hence he'll always be a candidate for a nick off. His bowling heroics are covering up his batting weaknesses here and it's important he focuses and especially England remember he is in the team as a batsman who can bowl a bit and not try making him something (a Swan type bowler) as it could cut his batting development short.

    There is good potential in Moeen as he looks like he could play both pace and spin (I'd rather hold my judgement on him for now) but it's really important England remember he is a batsman!
    Can be a genuine all-rounder. Bowling average of around 35, if not lower and batting average of around 40, if not higher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    The only haters are English bigots, Indian trolls and Mamoon. Everyone else has only been giving constructive criticism and want to see him do well.
    Thank you for not calling me an Indian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Thank you for not calling me an Indian.
    You're welcome. No Indian would ever rate Umar Amin.


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    Don't generalize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    He's not as good of Ajmal obviously but they are in the same tier. Perhaps you can say that Ajmal stands alone with all formats considered though.



    The only haters are English bigots, Indian trolls and Mamoon. Everyone else has only been giving constructive criticism and want to see him do well.
    His made a 100 and got 15 wickets in series better then Swann, people still saying he needs to establish himself whilst the likes of
    Robson, stokes who has more ducks then my local zoo are already flavour of the year....sad some of this these so called experts.

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    Robson is not up to the mark. Stokes is a better cricker than Moeen bhai.

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    How exactly is he better than Moeen? Have you seen his last 12 or so innings? Pretty sure he has a collective sum of 10 runs across them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Robson is not up to the mark. Stokes is a better cricker than Moeen bhai.
    Absolute joke.

    Stokes has one good innings in so many.

    He's not international standard.

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    If anyone saw Umer Amin's innings vs SA in third ODI, you'd know he is a pretty good batsman. Very unlucky to get dismissed. He's not the finished article yet but once he is, he'll be fairly good for PAK.

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    Why compare Moeen with players like Robson and Stokes? Compare him with Root and Ballance. He's a quality player and should be compared with quality players.

    Stokes is not as good as Moeen, he's not even better than Jordon. That one century was great but he's looked like a #11 ever since. Pathetic comment.
    Last edited by Bilal7; 2nd August 2014 at 15:05.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Can be a genuine all-rounder. Bowling average of around 35, if not lower and batting average of around 40, if not higher.
    I'm not saying he won't be. What I'm referring to is the fact that his recent wicket taking exploits are hiding his batting problems and it's more important to focus on that then draw parralels with Swan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cover_Drive View Post
    I'm not saying he won't be. What I'm referring to is the fact that his recent wicket taking exploits are hiding his batting problems and it's more important to focus on that then draw parralels with Swan.
    For him it is, and I'm sure he'll get his problems against the short ball sorted out.


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    Stokes is a very good cricketer. He will realize his potential. Moeen Bhai is just the flavor of the season.

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    ^ Moeen is a very good cricketer. He will realize his potential. Stokes bhai is the flavor of the season.

    Talk about reeking of bias and subjectivity.


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    Stokes can potentially be England's next Flintoff.

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    No, he cannot. He would do well to be able to establish himself as their 4th choice pacer first. His bowling isn't good enough so thats what he should be focusing on instead of trying to become the next Flintoff.

    Moeen is a much more genuine all-rounder and the better batsman. Stokes isn't even ebtter than Jordon, Wokes and Liam Plunkett right now.


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    Actually Stokes bowling is pretty good.

    Its his batting that is an issue for now.

    His bounce is kinda very troubling.


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    But Flintoff's bowling at his peak was just awe inspiring. Not sure Stokes bowling can reach that level.

    If Flintoff had maintained his bowling similar to what he showed in during his peak, there was a good chance he would have been rated an ATG bowler.

    Just too good at his best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Actually Stokes bowling is pretty good.

    Its his batting that is an issue for now.

    His bounce is kinda very troubling.
    Seeing how he can't even make the side as the fourth bowler makes this untrue.


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    I see lots of ability in Stokes. People writing him off based on a few ducks as if it has never happened to anyone before.

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    I don't see anything special. Just the fact that he came into the side as a fast-bowling all-rounder is what makes people hype him up. He's not the next Flintoff or Botham, he may not even be England's next 3rd choice fast bowler.


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    If England don't show shortsightedness, Stokes would be a better cricketer than Moeen bhai.

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    Says the guy who rates Amin as one of Pakistan's best upcoming batsmen, with the small problem of his stats being tail-ender worthy. You pick the worst "tailunt" to back, Mamoon bhai.


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    There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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    Stats don't lie.


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    They do, without proper context.

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    Enough context is present for both Amin and Stokes batting results. Just not good enough.


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