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    One last point, anyone supporting the Western narrative is in fact supporting white supremacy. What a joke for those who are fighting racism.

    5 eyes, intelligence sharing among white nations. NATO, military cooperation a among white nations. EU, economic and political union among white nations. The list goes on, and on.

    The West ultimately represents the white race and white values. Like it or not, this is the brutal truth.

    Oh I forgot, Capitalism began in the West in the 16th century. The Brits colonised half the planet in search of new markets, committed multiple genocides, traded slaves, and engage in constant war, till this day - YET in school we learn about how communism failed and is evil because of a famine.

    Move on.

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    USA instructs families of her diplomats to get out of Ukraine. Only essential staff must stay in the Embassy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    This is a Western interpretation. USSR proclaimed the boundaries between WW2 agressors and the East.
    Poland and Finland were not “WW2 aggressors” - they were invaded by USSR in 1939.

    USSR invaded many European nations at the end of WW2 and made them into totalitarian client states.

    Fortunately for those conquered nations, USSR went bust due to a combination of Chernobyl and their war in Afghanistan, and they were able to throw off the Soviet yoke and become liberal democracies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    It's not a lie.

    Nazis and Zionists were working hand in hand. Putting aside the Harvana agreement, a currency was issued with both Star of David and Nazi Swatsika

    https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn517746

    If this isn't Zionism supporting Nazism then I do not know what is. Remember Zionism is a political endeavour, just like Nazism.
    If you read that article you posted, you will see it was not Zionism. The Nazi state printed that coin to persuade Jews to get out, and to make Germans resent remaining Jews just that bit more.

    Remember that the Nazis forced Jews to wear the Star of David. That was not Zionism either, it was to identify them so they could be denied their rights.

    The Harvana Agreement was not an agreement but coercion. It actually meant “your money or your life”. Give us your money, get out of Germany and keep your life.

    Or stay, and lose your money *and* your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Poland and Finland were not “WW2 aggressors” - they were invaded by USSR in 1939.

    USSR invaded many European nations at the end of WW2 and made them into totalitarian client states.

    Fortunately for those conquered nations, USSR went bust due to a combination of Chernobyl and their war in Afghanistan, and they were able to throw off the Soviet yoke and become liberal democracies.
    Who said Poland was an agressor? It was more a victim of western war mongering attitudes. Precisly why Poland was behind the Iron Curtain. Finland was never behind the Iron curtain. (1952 to 1989).

    Invaded in 1939? You mean USSR fighting the Nazis who had occupied Poland.

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    Ukrainians slam 'unreliable' Germany as it blocks Estonia from sending arms to Kyiv, and vetoes economic sanctions on Russia.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...ar-fears-grow/

    Well well, Germany doesn't want any of it; refusing to help Ukraine with weapons, and refusing to tow the Amreekan sanctions line. Sanction on Russia means EU plunges into further darkness.

    Putin has played a blinder.

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    Germany is the voice of sanity.

    This is the classic Anglo tactic of "arming a weaker side against a superior side to provoke and start an absurd war to maintain Anglo strong position".

    So many historic examples of it.

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    @Robert

    The literal clown who runs Ukraine and is pushing for war: Volodymyr Zelensky, is a Zionist.

    ‘Israel is often an example for Ukraine’

    - Zelensky

    Soon we will read about a new media campaign saying: "how Russians are the new Nazis"

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    Russia tensions: NATO bolsters deployments, angering Kremlin

    The NATO defense alliance on Monday said it was dispatching additional fighter jets and ships to Eastern Europe amid tensions with Russia.

    The move could escalate tensions in the Ukraine-Russia crisis, after Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that any military build up in the region by the the trans-Atlantic military alliance would cross a "red line."

    Source: https://m.dw.com/en/russia-tensions-...lin/a-60536382

    NATO official website: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_191040.htm

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    So the hysteria continues!

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60113271

    Ukraine: Boris Johnson warns Russian invasion would be disastrous

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson has warned Russia that invading Ukraine would be "disastrous" and a "painful, violent and bloody business".

    Speaking as the Foreign Office pulled some embassy staff out of Ukraine, the PM said the situation was "pretty gloomy" but war was not inevitable.

    He said the UK was "leading on creating a package of economic sanctions" against Russia and was supplying defensive weaponry to Ukraine.

    Nato is putting forces on standby.

    It says this is to reinforce its defences and for the purposes of deterrence and is also sending additional ships and fighter jets to member states in eastern Europe as a response to the continuing build up of Russian forces.

    Russia has denied plans for military action, but an estimated 100,000 troops have amassed on the border with the head of Nato warning of a risk of fresh conflict in Europe.

    The Kremlin has accused Nato of escalating tensions with the move. Russia considers the alliance as a threat, and is demanding legal guarantees that it will not expand further east, including into Ukraine.

    But the US has said the issue at stake is Russian aggression, not Nato expansion.

    Mr Johnson said: "The intelligence is very clear that there are 60 Russian battle groups on the borders of Ukraine, the plan for a lightning war that could take out Kyiv is one that everybody can see.

    "We need to make it very clear to the Kremlin, to Russia, that that would be a disastrous step."

    Mr Johnson added that the UK stood "four-square with the people of Ukraine".

    Russian forces have been mounting at the border. Ukraine has been holding training exercises in the meantime.

    Downing Street said there were no plans to send British combat troops to defend Ukraine.

    The prime minister's official spokesman added that while the government would not speculate about the details of sanctions, "there will be significant economic measures put in place" if Russia invades.

    Officials say there have been no specific threats to British diplomats but about half of the staff working in Kyiv will return to the UK. The US has ordered relatives of its embassy staff to leave, saying an invasion could come "at any time".

    The embassy moves were described as precautionary, and nothing specific is thought to have occurred in the past 24 hours to have triggered the decisions of the US and UK.

    The British Embassy in Kyiv remains open to carry out "essential work", the Foreign Office said.

    About 30 British diplomats - including the ambassador - remain in Ukraine.

    EU staff in Ukraine will stay in place for now, with EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell saying he would not "dramatize" the tensions.

    The prime minister said he had visited Ukraine and knew the people of the country, adding: "My judgment is that they will fight."

    Mr Johnson, speaking to reporters in Milton Keynes, said: "We also need to get a message that invading Ukraine, from a Russian perspective, is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business.

    "I think it's very important that people in Russia understand that this could be a new Chechnya."

    There was a major separatist conflict in Chechnya in the 1990s, with a decade of ultimately unsuccessful fighting for its independence.

    Asked if an invasion was imminent, Mr Johnson said: "I've got to tell you that I think the intelligence is pretty gloomy at this point. There is certainly a very, very large array of Russian forces and we have to take the necessary steps.

    "I don't think it's by any means inevitable now, I think that sense can still prevail."

    He is due to speak to international allies on Monday.

    Russia has seized Ukrainian territory before, when it annexed Crimea in 2014, following fierce protests in Ukraine that toppled the country's pro-Russian president.

    Russian forces seized control of Crimea before the territory voted to join Russia in a referendum the West and Ukraine deemed illegal.

    Russian-backed rebels control areas of eastern Ukraine near Russia's borders in a conflict which has cost an estimated 14,000 lives. A 2015 peace deal is far from being fulfilled.

    On Sunday, the UK Foreign Office accused Mr Putin of planning to install a pro-Moscow figure to lead Ukraine's government.

    The man named by the UK Foreign Office - former Ukrainian MP Yevhen Murayev - called the claims "stupid" in an interview with Reuters news agency.

    The Foreign Office has warned against all travel to Crimea and two areas of eastern Ukraine, Donetsk oblast and Luhansk oblast. It is advising against all but essential travel to the rest of Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    @Robert

    The literal clown who runs Ukraine and is pushing for war: Volodymyr Zelensky, is a Zionist.
    You think he wants war with an opponent who is far more powerful, and will flatten his military and replace him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    You think he wants war with an opponent who is far more powerful, and will flatten his military and replace him.
    I don't know if this is a trolling attempt, but do you really believe that Zelensky is not an Anglo/Zionist puppet?

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    He is literally getting his orders dictated to him.

    This is a Deja Vu of August 2021 Afghanistan threads in the way that there are 2 realities:

    1. Painted by media: Taliban have lost and son of some warlord gonna go all Terminator on them.

    2. What random 7 days old Twitter accounts tweeted: Unarmed duo of Taliban entering a city with their 1970s Toyota and "conquering" it.

    PS: Indians haven't snapped out of it yet.

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    Something similar is going on here. When it suits Anglosphere then Russia is their ally and when it does not they are the murders, warmongers, invader Nazis.

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    The reality, at least as I see it, is that a declining empire is starting yet another pointless war to maintain their world status. Some decades ago they could do it and the whole world followed them but times have changed...

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    Ukraine: Boris Johnson warns Russian invasion would be disastrous

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson has warned Russia that invading Ukraine would be "disastrous" and a "painful, violent and bloody business".

    Speaking as the Foreign Office pulled some embassy staff out of Ukraine, the PM said the situation was "pretty gloomy" but war was not inevitable.

    He said the UK was "leading on creating a package of economic sanctions" against Russia and was supplying defensive weaponry to Ukraine.

    Nato is putting forces on standby.

    It said Nato allies were sending additional ships and fighter jets to eastern Europe to reinforce defences and increase deterrence, in response to the continuing build-up of Russian forces.

    Russia has denied plans for military action, but an estimated 100,000 troops have amassed on the border. The head of Nato has warned of a risk of fresh conflict in Europe.

    The Kremlin has accused Nato of escalating tensions with the move. Russia considers the alliance as a threat, and is demanding legal guarantees that it will not expand further east, including into Ukraine. But the US has said the issue at stake is Russian aggression, not Nato expansion.

    US President Joe Biden is due to hold a video conference with EU leaders, the Nato secretary general and Mr Johnson later.

    Mr Johnson said: "The intelligence is very clear that there are 60 Russian battle groups on the borders of Ukraine, the plan for a lightning war that could take out Kyiv is one that everybody can see.

    "We need to make it very clear to the Kremlin, to Russia, that that would be a disastrous step."

    Mr Johnson added that the UK stood "four-square with the people of Ukraine".

    Downing Street said there were no plans to send British combat troops to defend Ukraine.

    Officials said there had been no specific threats to British diplomats but about half of the staff working in Kyiv will return to the UK. The US has ordered relatives of its embassy staff to leave, saying an invasion could come "at any time".

    The embassy moves were described as precautionary, and nothing specific is thought to have occurred in the past 24 hours to have triggered the decisions of the US and UK.

    About 30 British diplomats - including the ambassador - remain in Ukraine.

    Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the British Embassy in Kyiv continued to operate but "it's important that we prepare for any eventuality".

    She said the UK had a "very strong package of sanctions ready to go" and called for Germany's Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Russia to be cancelled in the event of an incursion into Ukraine, saying she was "very, very concerned" about Europe's energy dependence on Russia.

    Asked about the UK's accusations that Russian President Vladimir Putin was plotting to install a pro-Moscow figure to lead Ukraine's government, Ms Truss declined to elaborate on the source of the intelligence.

    But she said: "We are going to call out every instance of Russia trying to influence democracy, trying to subvert Ukraine, false flag operations and sabotage. We will call that out."

    EU staff in Ukraine will stay in place for now - EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said he would not "dramatize" the tensions.

    The prime minister said he had visited Ukraine and knew the people of the country, adding: "My judgment is that they will fight."

    Mr Johnson, speaking to reporters in Milton Keynes, said: "We also need to get a message that invading Ukraine, from a Russian perspective, is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business.

    "I think it's very important that people in Russia understand that this could be a new Chechnya."

    There was a major separatist conflict in Chechnya in the 1990s, with a decade of ultimately unsuccessful fighting for its independence.

    Asked if an invasion was imminent, Mr Johnson said: "I've got to tell you that I think the intelligence is pretty gloomy at this point. There is certainly a very, very large array of Russian forces and we have to take the necessary steps.

    "I don't think it's by any means inevitable now, I think that sense can still prevail."

    He was due to speak to international allies on Monday.

    Russia has seized Ukrainian territory before, when it annexed Crimea in 2014, following fierce protests in Ukraine that toppled the country's pro-Russian president. Russian forces seized control of Crimea before the territory voted to join Russia in a referendum the West and Ukraine deemed illegal.

    Russian-backed rebels control areas of eastern Ukraine near Russia's borders in a conflict which has cost an estimated 14,000 lives. A 2015 peace deal is far from being fulfilled.

    On Sunday, the UK Foreign Office accused Mr Putin of planning to install a pro-Moscow figure to lead Ukraine's government, naming former Ukrainian MP Yevhen Murayev as a possible candidate.

    Mr Murayev called the claims "stupid" in an interview with Reuters news agency.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60113271


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    The prime minister (Boris Johnson) said he had visited Ukraine and knew the people of the country, adding: "My judgment is that they will fight."


    The same way traitor Afghan National Army and their chieftain 'Ashraf Ghani the traitor rat' were supposed to?

    Zelensky might flee faster than Ghani the Rat did!



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    The USA and Europe will get involved if Russia invades that could snowball in to a global conflict. This is serious reason for concern. I have a sinking feeling that sooner or later Putin will show his muscle by invading it's neighbour.


    PP's own self proclaimed sharpshooter and defender of Islam and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    I don't know if this is a trolling attempt, but do you really believe that Zelensky is not an Anglo/Zionist puppet?

    The reality, at least as I see it, is that a declining empire is starting yet another pointless war to maintain their world status. Some decades ago they could do it and the whole world followed them but times have changed...
    I have no understanding of this obsession with Zionism as somehow underpinning everything. To me the word is meaningless in this context.

    I am starting to consider your use of “Anglo” as racist. Most of the thirty NATO states are not Anglo-Saxon.

    Putin is threatening Ukraine with a massive troop buildup. You are blaming Zelensky for wanting to defend his own land from invasion.
    Last edited by Last Monetarist; 25th January 2022 at 13:20.

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    Looks like Ukraine will have to hunker down and fight a long war of attrition. Make the Russians bleed for every square kilometre they take. Their standing armed forces will probably be overrun quite quickly, but they will be able to carry out guerilla warfare until Putin or his successor eventually gives up and withdraws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I have no understanding of this obsession with Zionism as somehow underpinning everything. To me the word is meaningless in this context.

    I am starting to consider your use of “Anglo” as racist. Most of the thirty NATO states are not Anglo-Saxon.

    Putin is threatening Ukraine with a massive troop buildup. You are blaming Zelensky for wanting to defend his own land from invasion.
    Fair enough, let's call them the AUKUS.

    Most of NATO states are also NOT pushing for war.

    Putin is just a villain, same way as likes of Saddam, Gaddafi, Bushes, Obama, Aznar and your plethora of English PMs are/were.

    The question is, is this war really necessary? And don't bother with media marketing. See the bigger picture, as cliched as it sounds.

    Of course, you don't have understanding of "obsession with Zionism", it is because you have never been on the receiving end and neither will you ever care for those who have suffered their barbarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Fair enough, let's call them the AUKUS.

    Most of NATO states are also NOT pushing for war.

    Putin is just a villain, same way as likes of Saddam, Gaddafi, Bushes, Obama, Aznar and your plethora of English PMs are/were.

    The question is, is this war really necessary? And don't bother with media marketing. See the bigger picture, as cliched as it sounds.

    Of course, you don't have understanding of "obsession with Zionism", it is because you have never been on the receiving end and neither will you ever care for those who have suffered their barbarism.
    No, let’s not call “them” AUKUS because Australia has nothing to do with it.

    Obviously, Zionism has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine either.

    Let’s be realistic and call “them” NATO and the EU, who are responding to Russian aggression on the Ukraine border. The European Commission and NATO command in Brussels are united on this.

    Putin sees an elderly POTUS who left Afghanistan in chaotic circumstances and senses weakness. But his power play may backfire, as Sweden is now considering joining NATO. He may have just strengthened Western resolve.

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    The West creating a new sense of fear with Ukraine since the threat (and fear) of the Covid hoax has worn off.

    MSM brushing the real story under the carpet, inflation!

    The classic bait and switch routine.

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    Funny thing is Ukraine isn't even an official member of NATO and you have European countries trying to help; where were these same European countries when Yugoslavia was dismantled leading to Muslim genocide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Funny thing is Ukraine isn't even an official member of NATO and you have European countries trying to help; where were these same European countries when Yugoslavia was dismantled leading to Muslim genocide?
    Heck, the Saudis are massacring Yemenis right now.

    The most liberal and right wing media... CNN, Fox, AlJazeera, BBC, RT etc etc. no one will say a word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Heck, the Saudis are massacring Yemenis right now.

    The most liberal and right wing media... CNN, Fox, AlJazeera, BBC, RT etc etc. no one will say a word...
    Yup! 'Allies' looking out for each other. Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Funny thing is Ukraine isn't even an official member of NATO and you have European countries trying to help; where were these same European countries when Yugoslavia was dismantled leading to Muslim genocide?
    They were there. Thirty-nine NATO and NATO-aligned nations halted the genocide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Force

    EU is getting involved over Ukraine because it feels threatened by Putin. The previous EU Commission President said as much. “Trump to the West, migrant waves to the South, Putin’s tanks to the East”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    They were there. Thirty-nine NATO and NATO-aligned nations halted the genocide.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Force

    EU is getting involved over Ukraine because it feels threatened by Putin. The previous EU Commission President said as much. “Trump to the West, migrant waves to the South, Putin’s tanks to the East”.
    Better late than never. NATO and it's allies could've prevented the genocide in the first place but literally halted the genocide after the majority had perished.

    If they were Jews or Christians, then the response would've been different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Better late than never. NATO and it's allies could've prevented the genocide in the first place but literally halted the genocide after the majority had perished.

    If they were Jews or Christians, then the response would've been different.
    The majority in the Sebrenica Massacre, true, not the majority of Bosnian Muslims.

    A lot of Christians civilians did die in the Bosnian War.

    It’s very complex and I don’t understand it well, though @Markhor does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Looks like Ukraine will have to hunker down and fight a long war of attrition. Make the Russians bleed for every square kilometre they take. Their standing armed forces will probably be overrun quite quickly, but they will be able to carry out guerilla warfare until Putin or his successor eventually gives up and withdraws.
    Ukranian military will dissappear as quick as the Afghan national army whom the west was backing to thwart the taliban it didn't take the taliban wearing their flip flops and riding motorbikes to roll in very quick and takeover the whole country.
    The so called panjshir tigers were on the first flight out .

    That's what will happen to the Ukrainian military most of it will scarper.

    100000 russians on the border is a menacing foe if it attacked

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    France now changing tune. Want to have dialogue with Russia.

    Stern message from Germany, France, and Brussels to USA - Russia must not be banned from using SWIFT, or Europe will suffer.

    Also change in dimplomatic arguments - Russia just wants to kick out USA from Europe, this is the aim of Russia.

    All above according to DT.

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    Massive protests in front of Ukrainian parliament:


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    Ukraine: US could sanction Putin if Russia invades, Biden says

    US President Joe Biden says he would consider personal sanctions on Vladimir Putin if Russia invades Ukraine.

    Mr Biden said there would be "enormous consequences" for the world if Russia made a move on the nation, which sits on its south-western border.

    His comments came as other Western leaders repeated warnings that Russia would pay a heavy price for invasion.

    Russia has accused the US and others of "escalating tensions" over the issue and denies it plans to enter Ukraine.

    However, Moscow has built up troops at the border, with some 100,000 Russian soldiers deployed in the region.

    Taking questions from reporters, Mr Biden replied "yes" when asked whether he could see himself imposing sanctions on the Russian president personally the event of an invasion.

    He said such a move across Ukraine's border would mean "enormous consequences worldwide" and could amount to "the largest invasion since World War Two".

    Mr Biden added that he would feel obliged to beef up Nato's presence in eastern Europe.
    "We have to make it clear that there's no reason for anyone, any member of Nato, to worry whether... Nato would come to their defence," he said.

    But he repeated that there were no plans to send US troops to Ukraine itself.

    Separately Mr Biden's administration has said it is working with oil and gas suppliers around the world to boost shipments to Europe in the event of Russia cutting off supplies, the New York Times reports.

    Russia currently provides about one-third of the crude oil and gas imported by the European Union.

    Earlier UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the Western allies would respond to any incursion with "severe" economic sanctions, adding that Britain was prepared to deploy troops to protect Nato allies in the region.

    He raised the issue of banning Russia from the Swift international payments system, a move which senior Russian officials said meant Europe would not be able to pay for and receive Russian products.

    Meanwhile French President Emmanuel Macron said dialogue with Moscow would continue.

    He would speak by phone to Mr Putin on Friday, he added, and seek clarification about Russia's intentions towards Ukraine.

    During crisis talks on Monday, Western powers agreed to "unprecedented" sanctions against Russia if it were to invade.

    The US has also put 8,500 troops on alert - partly to help reinforce Nato allies - which Russia said caused it "great concern".

    The Kremlin has said it sees Nato as a security threat, and is demanding legal guarantees that the alliance will not expand further east, including into neighbouring Ukraine. But the US has said the issue at stake is Russian aggression, not Nato expansion.

    Fears of invasion have prompted Western embassies in Kyiv to withdraw some personnel.

    But Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tried to reassure his nation in a TV address on Tuesday.

    "There are no rose-coloured glasses, no childish illusions, everything is not simple... But there is hope," he said. "Protect your body from viruses, your brain from lies, your heart from panic."

    He said he was working to arrange a meeting with the leaders of France, Germany and Russia.

    Russia has seized Ukrainian territory before, when it annexed Crimea in 2014. After Russian forces seized control, Crimea voted to join Russia in a referendum the West and Ukraine deemed illegal.

    Russian-backed rebels also control areas of eastern Ukraine near Russia's borders. That conflict has cost an estimated 14,000 lives, with a 2015 peace deal a long way from being fulfilled.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60134295


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    Joe Biden has said he would consider imposing personal sanctions on Vladimir Putin if Russia invades neighbouring Ukraine.

    The US president also said there would be "enormous consequences" for the world if President Putin's forces push into the former Soviet state, that lies on its south-western border.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Joe Biden has said he would consider imposing personal sanctions on Vladimir Putin if Russia invades neighbouring Ukraine.
    He has the power with the Magnitsky Act. This is the way to handle Putin, make him personally responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazkhan View Post
    Ukranian military will dissappear as quick as the Afghan national army whom the west was backing to thwart the taliban it didn't take the taliban wearing their flip flops and riding motorbikes to roll in very quick and takeover the whole country.
    I doubt that. Ukrainians are patriotic and will fight, but will be swiftly overpowered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Better late than never. NATO and it's allies could've prevented the genocide in the first place but literally halted the genocide after the majority had perished.

    If they were Jews or Christians, then the response would've been different.
    Debatable, given that the Allies in WW2 were aware of the Holocaust whilst it was going on — train lines, extermination facilities, etc being photographed by American spy planes above Poland, and yet none of the major camps were liberated until 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Debatable, given that the Allies in WW2 were aware of the Holocaust whilst it was going on — train lines, extermination facilities, etc being photographed by American spy planes above Poland, and yet none of the major camps were liberated until 1945.
    Not sure they were aware of the extent, but they certainly found out after liberation. Even so, you'd think the allies would've learned from their mistakes in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Debatable, given that the Allies in WW2 were aware of the Holocaust whilst it was going on — train lines, extermination facilities, etc being photographed by American spy planes above Poland, and yet none of the major camps were liberated until 1945.
    I don’t think they knew what the camps were for.

    But the camps were deep inside Nazi-held territory and the Wehrmacht was in the way of the liberators so an earlier relief was not really possible. By early 1945 the railway network was largely paralysed anyway with the USAAF and RAF tactical strike aircraft ranging almost unopposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Why is UK sending weapons? Because Ukraine is West-leaning, and because we can buy gas from them instead of from Russia, as Germany is doing now. The Russian oligarchs won’t want their money supply cut, hence the current threat of invasion. Grab Ukraine’s gas and they can stay hyper rich.

    Putin has already invaded, taking Crimea in 2014. He has 100K troops massed on the border. Obviously a prelude to further invasion. Why else would they be there?

    I didn’t mention sanctions on the Russian people, I mentioned Putin, who is the world’s richest man, and the other Russian oligarchs who are under his sway. Hit them in their pockets with more Magnitsky Acts, and the Kremlin will change tack.
    Robert please do a bit of basic research.

    Ukraine's elected government chose not to do a deal with the EU. So the west set up facist, nazis for a coup.

    As a British citizen, I have no business with Ukraine, I dont care for the country enough for my taxes being spent on weapons to Nazis, not to mention making an enemy with a nuclear superpower. Perhaps you can join the Ukrainians when the fighting starts, I wish you well.

    Crimeans chose to be with Russia, it was a vote.

    Sanctions mean nothing to Putin, any attack of sancations on Russia will also effect the western markets and western economy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Robert please do a bit of basic research.

    Ukraine's elected government chose not to do a deal with the EU. So the west set up facist, nazis for a coup.

    As a British citizen, I have no business with Ukraine, I dont care for the country enough for my taxes being spent on weapons to Nazis, not to mention making an enemy with a nuclear superpower. Perhaps you can join the Ukrainians when the fighting starts, I wish you well.

    Crimeans chose to be with Russia, it was a vote.

    Sanctions mean nothing to Putin, any attack of sancations on Russia will also effect the western markets and western economy.
    Sanctions on Putin are a joke.

    Rumour is Putin is one of the richest yet the West have no idea of his wealth.

    Ha ha. Ho ho. He he. What and where sanctions are being applied?

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    The EU has basically told UK/USA: "you are on your own"

    An epic failure moment for Zionist Warmoneger Weapon Industry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The European Commission and NATO command in Brussels are united on this.
    Just FYI:

    Ukraine-Russia conflict: NATO 'will not deploy combat troops to Kyiv', says Stoltenberg


    NATO will not be sending its troops to Ukraine, said the alliance’s chief in a televised interview. He informed NATO is preparing a written response for Russia.

    Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ops-to-ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Just FYI:

    Ukraine-Russia conflict: NATO 'will not deploy combat troops to Kyiv', says Stoltenberg


    NATO will not be sending its troops to Ukraine, said the alliance’s chief in a televised interview. He informed NATO is preparing a written response for Russia.

    Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ops-to-ukraine
    NATO preparing a written response. Hahaha.

    It's akin to handing in an absence note at school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    NATO preparing a written response. Hahaha.

    It's akin to handing in an absence note at school.
    Here is the live press conference: https://youtu.be/EIamOwJU9cc

    EU governments and people do not want to enter in an illegal war. And Insha'Allah they will not.

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    The same tactics are used whenever we see of any enemy of Britain. Pictures of their "secret" palaces are shown and used to demonise them. As if the Royals, ex-prime ministers and corrupt gentry classes are living in squalor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Here is the live press conference: https://youtu.be/EIamOwJU9cc

    EU governments and people do not want to enter in an illegal war. And Insha'Allah they will not.
    EU members do not want war but NATO does.

    Sums up why EU is an abject failure and a liability.

    To hell with war mongering NATO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Just FYI:

    Ukraine-Russia conflict: NATO 'will not deploy combat troops to Kyiv', says Stoltenberg


    NATO will not be sending its troops to Ukraine, said the alliance’s chief in a televised interview. He informed NATO is preparing a written response for Russia.

    Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...ops-to-ukraine
    European nations have woken up, they realise this isnt Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan its the bear.

    So now we have ...

    The US and UK are understood to be considering sending 1,000-strong troop deployments to each of Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...n-war-nato-uk/

    Putin must be shaking in his boots hearing 1000 troops are coming nearby.

    Imo US/UK under Zionist control want a proxy war with Russia first. They want Russia to invade so they can back far right terrorists in Ukraine to attack Russian forces. The reason why Boris mentioned another Chechnya. Eventually the Zionist want a nuclear war so they can fulfill their propechy of the Messiah returning ruling the world with justice out of Jerusalem. This is just the begninning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    European nations have woken up, they realise this isnt Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan its the bear.

    So now we have ...



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...n-war-nato-uk/

    Putin must be shaking in his boots hearing 1000 troops are coming nearby.

    Imo US/UK under Zionist control want a proxy war with Russia first. They want Russia to invade so they can back far right terrorists in Ukraine to attack Russian forces. The reason why Boris mentioned another Chechnya. Eventually the Zionist want a nuclear war so they can fulfill their propechy of the Messiah returning ruling the world with justice out of Jerusalem. This is just the begninning.
    And the biggest supporters of said war? The LDs! You could not make it up.

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    This survey might be relevant here:



    I don't see the EU countries raising their hands and going around the world to murder, rape and plunder for the UK (read USA, Zionists).

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    The first victim of international terrorism is Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    And the biggest supporters of said war? The LDs! You could not make it up.
    And yet, you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    This survey might be relevant here:

    What a depressing graphic.

    We have really alienated ourselves by Brexit, and Johnson acting like the ruler of a banana monarchy with his corruption, negotiation in bad faith and constant lying.

    Such a sadness that we have lost the trust of the Germans, who were our great pals when we were in the EU. At least Poland, Denmark, Romania and Sweden still love us. But we have a long way to go to win international trust back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    What a depressing graphic.

    We have really alienated ourselves by Brexit, and Johnson acting like the ruler of a banana monarchy with his corruption, negotiation in bad faith and constant lying.

    Such a sadness that we have lost the trust of the Germans, who were our great pals when we were in the EU. At least Poland, Denmark, Romania and Sweden still love us. But we have a long way to go to win international trust back.
    It’s a shame about Germany, whereas France have always hated us — especially now, as Macron is a particularly petty and trollish little man — then again the French seem to be permanently suspicious of most other nations.

    Alliances evolve. There are no results for international opinion of the UK within the key ally nations of US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. I would imagine strongly “green” numbers would sit in those boxes.

    Also it says a lot about us that our column shows positive support for wanting to help out pretty much everyone else…

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    Russia, Ukraine agree to uphold ceasefire in Normandy talks

    Source: https://m.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-a...lks/a-60556387

    --



    Once the EU (especially Germany) made it clear to the UK/USA that it won't be the shield against Russia then a "written document" was presented to Russia and talks were held lol. What happened now? Has Putin suddenly becone Democrat™? Have the Ukrainians been ©Freedom-ised?

    All the warmongering has spectacularly failed.

    I genuinely feel for the families of thousand of Ukrainians who have been murdered by Putin, USA/UK and the warmonger Zionist puppet who rules in Ukraine. They are the real victims of these animals.


    This right here is an inflection point in warmongering tactics of the USA/UK/Zionists. It seems like "media campaigns" which used to work 20 years ago, will not be enough to start wars around the world...

    Americans can always fly their troops to Ukrainian border and fulfill their war fantasy. Kudos to the EU for not taking any part in this fabricated insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    It’s a shame about Germany, whereas France have always hated us — especially now, as Macron is a particularly petty and trollish little man — then again the French seem to be permanently suspicious of most other nations.

    Alliances evolve. There are no results for international opinion of the UK within the key ally nations of US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. I would imagine strongly “green” numbers would sit in those boxes.

    Also it says a lot about us that our column shows positive support for wanting to help out pretty much everyone else…
    Blaming Brexit for the graphic is desperation. UK is despised generally across the world for reasons including British Colonialism, British Imperialism, Genocide, and of course wars with Iraq being the latest.

    Heck even within the UK, Scotland and NI don't think much of England either.

    Poland and Romania don't love the UK, they only love the UK welfare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Perhaps so, but in Europe in the last couple of decades we had a certain reputation for prudence, honesty and doing what we said we would do.
    Honesty? Like Iraq 2003
    Prudance? Financial Crisis 2008
    Doing what we said we would do? Trying to overturn a democratic result in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post


    Once the EU (especially Germany) made it clear to the UK/USA that it won't be the shield against Russia then a "written document" was presented to Russia and talks were held lol.

    Kudos to the EU for not taking any part in this fabricated insanity.
    Ursula Von Der Leyden just tweeted that “the EU stands by Ukraine. We are firm in our resolve”.

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    I would post the tweet but cannot figure out how on my phone.

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    “Massive”, “enormous”, “maximum pain”, “severe”, “immediate”: the West is running out of ways to describe the raft of sanctions being readied if Russia decides to attack using some of the 100,000 troops massed near Ukraine.

    With Nato and the US having ruled out sending their own soldiers into Ukraine, economic punishment and restrictions on officials - including, possibly Vladimir Putin - are all they have.

    A new package of sanctions could include a ban on Russian banks trading in dollars, banning hi-tech US exports including iPhones to Russia, disconnecting Russia from the Swift bank transfer system and even issuing a travel ban for President Putin.

    But Mr Putin is unlikely to be scared; he’s been preparing for it, after all, for years.

    DT.

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    So NATO and US have decided not to send troops into Ukraine. Oh dear lordy. All they have are economic sanctions and a travel ban for Putin. Hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Ursula Von Der Leyden just tweeted that “the EU stands by Ukraine. We are firm in our resolve”.
    Of course she said that.

    The whole world (many Russians including) are with Ukraine.

    The difference is that for UK/USA to be with Ukraine is so that Ukraine may start a war which it can't win so that slowly bordering countries also get into it.

    But then again, you already know all that!

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    Putin has ensured Fortress Russia can withstand a long siege.

    The US has laid out a sanctions strategy but unity with European states is far from evident.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...e-west-thinks/

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    USA reach out to China for help, but receive fitting reply!

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    On Wednesday evening, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken phoned his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, and lectured him on what he described as “Russian aggression” on Ukraine. The move was an obvious diplomatic stunt from Washington to try and isolate Moscow by appealing to Beijing, seemingly fearful of the growing strategic partnership between the two countries. But Wang wasn't impressed by this insincere cry for help.

    Instead, Chinese media reports on the call stated that Wang urged Ukraine to follow the Minsk Protocol, indirectly stated opposition to NATO expansion, and lashed out at the US on a number of issues, accusing it of “interference” in China’s internal affairs, deliberately undermining the Winter Olympics, and demanding that it comply with the One China policy on Taiwan.

    Most strikingly of all, Wang said that the US had not changed its China policy at all from that of the Trump administration, accusing Washington of continuing to undermine the bilateral relationship through hostility. In summary, the call was a cold rebuke of American demands.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/547550-blin...ng-yi-ukraine/

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Of course she said that.

    The whole world (many Russians including) are with Ukraine.

    The difference is that for UK/USA to be with Ukraine is so that Ukraine may start a war which it can't win so that slowly bordering countries also get into it.

    But then again, you already know all that!
    No, because Ukraine are not the aggressors. They won’t pick a fight with an opponent who has ten times their military strength. Doesn’t make any sense does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Ursula Von Der Leyden just tweeted that “the EU stands by Ukraine. We are firm in our resolve”.
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    Loans to put Ukraine in more debt. lol

    E.U/Nato using Ukraine against Russia has caused it to have one if not the worst gdp of all European nations, the country is broke & falling apart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Loans to put Ukraine in more debt. lol

    E.U/Nato using Ukraine against Russia has caused it to have one if not the worst gdp of all European nations, the country is broke & falling apart.
    Correct, and austerity breeds facism. No wonder Nazism is on the rise in Ukraine, which is far worse than Russia invading Ukraine.

    Europeans/USA will never learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    No, because Ukraine are not the aggressors. They won’t pick a fight with an opponent who has ten times their military strength. Doesn’t make any sense does it?
    When it interests your argument you take into account global affairs, history, tweets etc. and when it does not you go all naďve.

    Maybe, there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes and all that...

    If you read only one sided propaganda then you will never be able to comprehend what is really going on.

    Russia, UK/USA/Zionists, the EU, Turks etc. all of them have their own agendas; and the poor Ukraine is the battleground.

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    The west needs to accept the reality that Ukraine is under the Russian sphere of influence. Same way US would not accept Russia having a base in Cuba, Russia will never let Ukraine join NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gharib Aadmi View Post
    The west needs to accept the reality that Ukraine is under the Russian sphere of influence. Same way US would not accept Russia having a base in Cuba, Russia will never let Ukraine join NATO.
    Isn’t that up to the Ukrainians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    When it interests your argument you take into account global affairs, history, tweets etc. and when it does not you go all naďve.
    I shut up when I don’t know what I’m talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Isn’t that up to the Ukrainians?
    Actually it's not. Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008 and NATO refused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Actually it's not. Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008 and NATO refused.
    Because NATO knows that accepting a Ukrainian application into their alliance is one of the most likely gateway methods to triggering WW3, and they don’t want this to happen.

    Therefore, the Ukraine has effectively been sacrificed in advance.

    Proving that the West pursues its own interests just as vigorously, if not more so than the other countries who are geopolitically aligned and lie outside of the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Actually it's not. Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008 and NATO refused.
    It’s up to the Ukrainians which way they lean. Most lean West, not East to Moscow. They joined Council of Europe, and have an association agreement with EU. Very large demonstrations in the Euromaidan were held in support of EU membership.

    They joined a NATO Membership Action Plan of political and military integration, in 2008. Following the Russian invasion of 2014 the majority of Ukrainian people became pro-NATO and the Brussels NATO Summit of 2021 reiterated that they will join.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    It’s up to the Ukrainians which way they lean. Most lean West, not East to Moscow. They joined Council of Europe, and have an association agreement with EU. Very large demonstrations in the Euromaidan were held in support of EU membership.

    They joined a NATO Membership Action Plan of political and military integration, in 2008. Following the Russian invasion of 2014 the majority of Ukrainian people became pro-NATO and the Brussels NATO Summit of 2021 reiterated that they will join.
    Ukrainians are leaning towards right wing facism (Nazism).

    Good old Europe rearing it's ugly head again. Maybe Russia will help defeat facism in Europe, third time round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Technics 1210 View Post
    Ukrainians are leaning towards right wing facism (Nazism).

    Good old Europe rearing it's ugly head again. Maybe Russia will help defeat facism in Europe, third time round.
    The UK is meant to be the fascist racist authoritarian xenophobic neo-Nazi state though isn’t it, according to many British liberals…

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The UK is meant to be the fascist racist authoritarian xenophobic neo-Nazi state though isn’t it, according to many British liberals…
    Oh but it is post 2016 according to LDs and Remainers. Hood hood wink wink.

    Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see the difference between the largest democratic exercise in the Western hemisphere, vs Right wing facism.

    Just because liberals/remainers lost doesn’t mean the nation are racists/xenophobic - 17.5 Millions citizens didn’t turn racists/ xenophobics overnight, no, the liberals would have you believe so. This is just the liberal petty and feeble excuse of a poor campaign hinged off a complete disconnect of reality, and self subconscious facism.

    These so called liberals labelled anyone questioning immigration pre 2016 - racists - then labelled same lot racists in post 2016. It is liberals who are intolerant and ignorant and facists.

    Frankly speaking, if someone don’t like the state of the country, then leave, but stop pretending you respect democracy when trying to overturn democracy; and liberalism; when the decision goes against your view and are intolerant of other views.

    I pray to Allah Brexit is a success.

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    'Why should I leave?' — expats in Ukraine not rushing to depart

    A couple walks in front of St. Sophia s Cathedral in the center of Kyiv, Ukraine on 21 January 2022
    As the United States and other Western countries pull diplomatic staff out of Ukraine over fears of Russian intervention, foreigners working in the Ukrainian capital tell DW life is going on largely as normal — for now.

    Source: https://m.dw.com/en/why-should-i-lea...art/a-60590038

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    Good news for everyone except y'all-know-who-them-warmongers!

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    Ukraine asks West to tone down 'panic'
    Volodymyr Zelensky has blasted the West for causing panic

    “Today we are not seeing any greater escalation than it has been before. Yes, the number of servicemen has increased, but I spoke about that at the beginning of 2021 when they talked about the military exercises of the Russian Federation,” Zelensky stated.

    “From media coverage, it looks like we are at war already, that troops are already on the road, that there's mobilization, people going somewhere. It's not the case. We don’t need this panic.”

    Source: https://www.rt.com/russia/547666-zel...havoc-blaming/

    @Robert you won't see Zionist run warmonger media reporting this.

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    Trump calls Ukraine a European problem


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The UK is meant to be the fascist racist authoritarian xenophobic neo-Nazi state though isn’t it, according to many British liberals…
    Not seeing the neo-Nazism, but we are certainly moving towards authoritarian oligarchy, with vast public funds transferred to Tory donors as our civil liberties are eroded. The right to peaceful protest gone. Windrushers sent back. Dual nationals at risk of losing their citizenship.

    The xenophobia has a stirred by a PM who calls Muslim women letterboxes and black children piccaninies. Thus is calculated dog whistling to the racists. The Home Secretary tries to make it lawful for refugee boats to be sunk.

    Can you honestly tell me that these things are not true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Not seeing the neo-Nazism, but we are certainly moving towards authoritarian oligarchy, with vast public funds transferred to Tory donors as our civil liberties are eroded. The right to peaceful protest gone. Windrushers sent back. Dual nationals at risk of losing their citizenship.

    The xenophobia has a stirred by a PM who calls Muslim women letterboxes and black children piccaninies. Thus is calculated dog whistling to the racists. The Home Secretary tries to make it lawful for refugee boats to be sunk.

    Can you honestly tell me that these things are not true?
    The above descriptives only cover the agenda of a tiny subsection of our White Elite. (and those chancers who are looking to shoehorn themselves into it.)

    The British people at large are completely different — broad minded, decent, diverse, and accepting.

    The same can’t be said for the general public in many countries, including most European countries, who have been statistically proven over a long period to have much worse and more suspicious attitudes towards foreigners, refugees, and religious & ethnic minorities than the Brits.

    The UK is the only major European player without a far right party or far right candidate that either has significant influence or is gaining major traction. Why is that?

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    UK is NOT losing the right to peaceful process. The new bill aims at banning the more violent protests carried out by the likes of Extinction Rebellion, where they disturb the peace.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...wers-factsheet

    Liberalism and their intolerance and lies are far more responsible in the decline of UK society. Coupled with Remainers, they are they sole reason for spreading xenophobia and than any other group when trying to overturn democracy.

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