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    [VIDEO] 'Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pak women's cricket.. "Yes they are good cooks"

    Saw this video floating around Facebook, while some going to the extent of calling Afridi a sexist.
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    I can see where he's coming from to be honest. I just watched the Womens Ashes series this last month or so and it was of poor to average quality.

    Sorry if that offends anyone but it's how I feel.


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    legendary reply


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    The reaction of the host was funny, as if he was lost for words.

    I recognise the host from the Champions Trophy last year I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    I can see where he's coming from to be honest. I just watched the Womens Ashes series this last month or so and it was of poor to average quality.

    Sorry if that offends anyone but it's how I feel.
    I doubt it has to do with the quality of women cricket. It probably has more to do with his perception of womens' role in society.

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    Spot on.


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    "Get back in the kitchen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothcriminal View Post
    I doubt it has to do with the quality of women cricket. It probably has more to do with his perception of womens' role in society.
    Yeah i agree and im not sure if he knows but a lot of women would probably take offence to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothcriminal View Post
    I doubt it has to do with the quality of women cricket. It probably has more to do with his perception of womens' role in society.
    I don't look upon any sport and think about what their social standings are. It's just a poor representation of a weaker sect of the specific sport.
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    I've seen that and it's a stupid and daft view to hold but he is entitled to it. Obviously, 75% of Pakistan's men would probably hold very similar views so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Probably equally disappointing to see a mod condoning this view especially considering this site is here to promote and present Pakistan cricket and it shouldn't matter whether it's the men's team or the women's.

    That being said, one of my cousins actually plays for the women's team and she said Afridi was rude and obnoxious towards the women practicing at the NCA. She said that Afridi would tell the women that they should wear the hijab while Moyo was also disapproving and rude to them. The Akmal brothers, on the other hand, have been very nice and supportive. They even pass on cricketing equipment to the girls which is very nice of them.

    The tableeghi jamaat is always going to hold us back in sports though unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    I've seen that and it's a stupid and daft view to hold but he is entitled to it. Obviously, 75% of Pakistan's men would probably hold very similar views so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Probably equally disappointing to see a mod condoning this view especially considering this site is here to promote and present Pakistan cricket and it shouldn't matter whether it's the men's team or the women's.

    That being said, one of my cousins actually plays for the women's team and she said Afridi was rude and obnoxious towards the women practicing at the NCA. She said that Afridi would tell the women that they should wear the hijab while Moyo was also disapproving and rude to them. The Akmal brothers, on the other hand, have been very nice and supportive. They even pass on cricketing equipment to the girls which is very nice of them.

    The tableeghi jamaat is always going to hold us back in sports though unfortunately.
    The percentage is very specific. How long did it take you to poll all of the men in Pakistan?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    The percentage is very specific. How long did it take you to poll all of the men in Pakistan?!
    73.6% of all statistics are made up.

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    May be funny and all, but it's certainly sexist...but then again, it's not a personal reflection of Afridi...but merely the society's norm that which he is from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    The percentage is very specific. How long did it take you to poll all of the men in Pakistan?!
    You know it's an estimate. You only have to look at the other posts in this thread to see what the general perception might be. Not sure why you're even offended. You're one of those that condoned the remarks. It's odd that you take offence to my accusation towards Pakistani men for being misogynist while being a misogynist yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    You know it's an estimate. You only have to look at the other posts in this thread to see what the general perception might be. Not sure why you're even offended. You're one of those that condoned the remarks. It's odd that you take offence to my accusation towards Pakistani men for being misogynist while being a misogynist yourself.
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    Very poor thing to say. What posessed him to say it other than the fact that he is clearly the same as those backward tribals with his thinking, sad.
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    what did he say, youtube doesnt work in pak


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    what a legend

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    You know it's an estimate. You only have to look at the other posts in this thread to see what the general perception might be.
    Eh?

    How many people do have access to Internet in pakistan?
    Of those how many even know about cricket forums?
    How many even know about pp?

    And, How many of those with knowledge of forums/logged in will bother to reply?


    Internet users eventually get a better understanding of other parts of the world and psyche of people and trends, and many tend to become more mature with their thinking. Even then you see some utter dumb comments from old/Sr members here.

    The theories and ideas some people put forward here are pure comedy gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    what did he say, youtube doesnt work in pak
    Host talked about U-19 girl's trials in Peshawar, how he was really happy to see it happen and asked Afridi what he thought and whether he would like to see Pakistani women become more active in sports:

    "hamari khawateen ke haat me maza bohat ziada hai, to khane bohat achaa banate hai"

    and he refused to say anything more than that when the host pressed him for a proper answer so they had to move on to a different topic.

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    Stupid reply from Afridi.

    On a different note it's very difficult to be a female sportsperson in a Pakistan. Too much harassment happens in women's cricket team.

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    So what the beast is saying is that Women look better with a Spatula in their hand than a cricket bat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stark View Post
    Eh?

    How many people do have access to Internet in pakistan?
    Of those how many even know about cricket forums?
    How many even know about pp?

    And, How many of those with knowledge of forums/logged in will bother to reply?


    Internet users eventually get a better understanding of other parts of the world and psyche of people and trends, and many tend to become more mature with their thinking. Even then you see some utter dumb comments from old/Sr members here.

    The theories and ideas some people put forward here are pure comedy gold.
    I don't know what you're getting at. Are you just playing 20 questions or do you have a point? The 75% is not based on the responses on this site so far, it's an estimate having lived in the country and knowing a fair bit about it (more than you I can safely say). It just so happens, that the majority of the responses seem to back my opinion. And to be brutally honest, I'd expect less misogynist responses on PP than I would on the streets of Pakistan. That again is my opinion.

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion about women's cricket.

    Can anyone plz write down what he exactly said. Can't watch the video now. Thanks in advance

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    Imagine how discouraging it would be for a young, aspiring female cricketer to hear something like this coming from one of the biggest sports personalities in Pakistan. I expected nothing better from a guy like him and some of the responses on this thread aren't surprising either.

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    For those that can't see it: http://tune.pk/video/761111/shahid

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    I get the feeling he said that without thinking and after he realized what he said he just said to move on.

    I honestly disagree with him. I want women to play sports and compete at the highest level. Yes we are the minnows of Womens cricket and the entire women cricket section barely gets any coverage and does not have good quality but i still want us to unearth some female talent and rise in this world. Its very tough for them to do it especially with all the controversies and lack of facilities.

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pak women's cricket....."yes they are good cooks"

    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    For those that can't see it: http://tune.pk/video/761111/shahid

    Thanks for the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by saiyan0312 View Post
    I get the feeling he said that without thinking and after he realized what he said he just said to move on.
    He knew exactly what he was saying, he repeated it again and if he wasn't a total sexist all he needed to do was go "But seriously, it's great to see young girls playing sports and representing Pakistan" or something along those lines.

    I honestly disagree with him. I want women to play sports and compete at the highest level. Yes we are the minnows of Womens cricket and the entire women cricket section barely gets any coverage and does not have good quality but i still want us to unearth some female talent and rise in this world. Its very tough for them to do it especially with all the controversies and lack of facilities.
    Agree with this, would be wonderful to see women's sport be promoted a little bit more.

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pak women's cricket....."yes they are good cooks"

    Quote Originally Posted by zaid65 View Post
    I don't think this is Lol situation, this shows not only the ignorance of Afridi but all the other posters who think his sexist remarks are funny.

    Well it was funny in a sense too without any offense. Ur angle is another one

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    He lives in the 20th century.

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    The status of women in Asia is very very low compared to the west. Afridi's comments merely reflect the society he is from. No point blaming him. If you want the problem to be fixed education and equal chances are whats required.

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    Awkward, man... To say the least.

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    That was a poor poor comment.

    But I get where he is coming from.

    Its got nothing to do with quality of women's cricket.

    Its got to do with his religious views, the views held by the elders in his family, etc.

    That's why he doesn't want to comment on this.

    I would have respected him more if he had just said "no comments" instead of making rubbish statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    You know it's an estimate. You only have to look at the other posts in this thread to see what the general perception might be. Not sure why you're even offended. You're one of those that condoned the remarks. It's odd that you take offence to my accusation towards Pakistani men for being misogynist while being a misogynist yourself.
    Calling me a "misogynistic" for not like Women's cricket is pretty laughable

    I guess if you don't like it you're a misogynist. Grow up for goodness sake and learn what that actually means.

    I swear some people are some far up their own backsides.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    I don't know what you're getting at. Are you just playing 20 questions or do you have a point? The 75% is not based on the responses on this site so far, it's an estimate having lived in the country and knowing a fair bit about it (more than you I can safely say). It just so happens, that the majority of the responses seem to back my opinion. And to be brutally honest, I'd expect less misogynist responses on PP than I would on the streets of Pakistan. That again is my opinion.
    Your 75% was specific, no where did you state is was an estimate. Back-peddling fast isn't helping either.


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    lol it would be funny if he said that a cricket stadium is a 'funny looking kitchen' in regards to women

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pak women's cricket....."yes they are good cooks"

    I like afridi but this is why we as a nation can't progress .


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    I guess we know why MoYo wants him to be captain now

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    Weak comment to make tbh, imagine some of the u-19 girls saw that response, would defo demoralize them that one of the most famous Pakistani star said that!.

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pakistan Women's Cricket Team

    I heard about this comment a few weeks ago, but didn't add a thread given that I had no video evidence.

    I am huge fan of Shahid Afridi, and would probably rank him as my second most favourite cricketer from the country after Wasim Akram, but his habit of opening his mouth too often has always disappointed me.

    The depth of the comment needs to be highlighted: he hasn't only expressed his opinion against the idea of women's cricket, but has confined them to the kitchen altogether. So the comment is not at all related to the quality of cricket on show in women's case. What are his thoughts on a Pakistani woman becoming a lawyer, doctor etc.? Well, not too positive if I have interpreted the comment rightly.

    We are sadly left with only two possibilities:

    1. His view is a reflection of our society or culture in general, that his backward mentality hasn't changed despite being an international cricketer who must have seen different progressed cultures and societies of the world. Before we act like warriors and defend our culture, people need to put the women's cricket debate aside for a while and ponder how many people in the country actually even favour women being educated or allowed to earn for themselves.

    2. The other possibility is that this is not a reflection of our culture at all as our people welcome women's cricket with an open heart, but he himself however possesses a backward mind.

    Whereas I don't rule out the possibility of a combination of the above two and some middle ground, I must say that many girls out there in our country who dream to play cricket must have felt extremely disappointed to see such a comment from a cricketer himself.

    What Afridi needs to realise is that it is a matter of perception: some, a minority it may just be, do think that cricket is spoiling the youth in general and is preventing them from serving their religion. Does he know that he misses the daily prayers when he plays cricket? What if tomorrow someone says that even men look good only when they engage in an activity that doesn't prevent them from performing their religious duties on regular basis?
    Last edited by DHONI183; 11th March 2014 at 13:50. Reason: Very minor typo (in the post title)


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    Quote Originally Posted by DHONI183 View Post
    I heard about this comment a few weeks ago, but didn't add a thread given that I had no video evidence.

    I am huge fan of Shahid Afridi, and would probably rank him as my second most favourite cricketer from the country after Wasim Akram, but his habit of opening his mouth too often has always disappointed me.

    The depth of the comment needs to be highlighted: he hasn't only expressed his opinion against the idea of women's cricket, but has confined them to the kitchen altogether. So the comment is not at all related to the quality of cricket on show in women's case. What are his thoughts on a Pakistani woman becoming a lawyer, doctor etc.? Well, not too positive if I have interpreted the comment rightly.

    We are sadly left with only two possibilities:

    1. His view is a reflection of our society or culture in general, that his backward mentality hasn't changed despite being an international cricketer who must have seen different progressed cultures and societies of the world. Before we act like warriors and defend our culture, people need to put the women's cricket debate aside for a while and ponder how many people in the country actually even favour women being educated or allowed to earn for themselves.

    2. The other possibility is that this is not a reflection of our culture at all as our people welcome women's cricket with an open heart, but he himself however possesses a backward mind.

    Whereas I don't rule out the possibility of a combination of the above two and some middle ground, I must say that many girls out there in our country who dream to play cricket must have felt extremely disappointed to see such a comment from a cricketer himself.

    What Afridi needs to realise is that it is a matter of perception: some, a minority it may just be, do think that cricket is spoiling the youth in general and is preventing them from serving their religion. Does he know that he misses the daily prayers when he plays cricket? What if tomorrow someone says that even men look good only when they engage in an activity that doesn't prevent them from performing their religious duties on regular basis?
    Excellent and elaborative post, I would go with your 2nd option, as we have seen, majority of the people even Moulvi group has no problem women playing cricket except his personal views are still limited to zamana-e-jahaliat as he himself did not finish the middle school.


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    i was following women world cup when they were showing it few years back, fitness is a major issue

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    Shahid Afridi's opinion on Pak women's cricket....."yes they are good cooks"

    Was a very poor answer being a public figure.


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    Ignorant and sexist to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaid65 View Post
    Excellent and elaborative post, I would go with your 2nd option, as we have seen, majority of the people even Moulvi group has no problem women playing cricket except his personal views are still limited to zamana-e-jahaliat as he himself did not finish the middle school.
    Crazy that Afridi has been traveling the world for nearly 20 years and playing cricket on 5 continents...but his views are still so narrow minded.

    Some sad comments here, and they're sexist and demoralizing to women everywhere....especially in Pakistan.


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    I support Lala on this one, women cricket makes no sense. This is just not a girly game, i am sorry no matter how hard they try, they'd always look silly and second grade.

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    Well, Afridi being associated with Tableeghi Jamaat can not encourage women in sports. So he delivered a twisted answer with a hidden meaning.. Very clever of him.


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    Firstly, nobody cares about his views outside Pakistan.

    Now on other forums, many Pakistanis are calling him a legend and advocating how religion is also against women sports and what not.

    No wonder afridi is popular in Pakistan.

    sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    I support Lala on this one, women cricket makes no sense. This is just not a girly game, i am sorry no matter how hard they try, they'd always look silly and second grade.
    these are his religious views.

    Ban women soccer and hockey as well.

    And frankly, please use your brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaid65 View Post
    Excellent and elaborative post, I would go with your 2nd option, as we have seen, majority of the people even Moulvi group has no problem women playing cricket except his personal views are still limited to zamana-e-jahaliat as he himself did not finish the middle school.
    Great post, but option 1 is sadly what it is.

    So, discussion on that is beyond the scope of this forum I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    I support Lala on this one, women cricket makes no sense. This is just not a girly game, i am sorry no matter how hard they try, they'd always look silly and second grade.
    You silly misogynist


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    Quality reply from Afridi. He's an old fashioned Pathan, he has his views, probably in line with the majority of Pakistanis. Good on him.

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    And the quality of women's cricket is atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    And the quality of women's cricket is atrocious.
    That doesnt mean they dont have a right to play. Should we ban paralympics because the quality isnt as good as the main olympics??

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    It's just not within his culture and he has a right to express his views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Calling me a "misogynistic" for not like Women's cricket is pretty laughable

    I guess if you don't like it you're a misogynist. Grow up for goodness sake and learn what that actually means.

    I swear some people are some far up their own backsides.
    You're a misogynist when you condone remarks like the ones Afridi made. You said it yourself, you understand where he is coming from. Then you make silly excuses for him by talking about the quality of cricket when you know that is not at all what he was talking about.

    I'd rather be up in my own backside then be up in Afridi's backside.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Your 75% was specific, no where did you state is was an estimate. Back-peddling fast isn't helping either.
    Alright, I'll say majority of men instead of 75%. Does that make a difference in your life? It's silly that you are hung up on a number because you aren't brave enough to accept the backwardness of your society. Just another weak, pathetic member of a society that is moving back into the stone-ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    I support Lala on this one, women cricket makes no sense. This is just not a girly game, i am sorry no matter how hard they try, they'd always look silly and second grade.
    kinda like how sub continent players might have looked when they were fist introduced to cricket by the British ?. Im sure you'll look like a wimp when facing an international women team of India. Look at other sports and olympic's, women's world records are getting closer and closer to the mens'; obviously it isn't very close but its improving. You need to get your head out of your buttocks mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    And the quality of women's cricket is atrocious.

    The issue is not the quality of women's cricket, where in the world women playing better cricket? Do those societies or men have objection over their quality of the game? Do you think any of the women pro tennis player can beat man pro tennis player?

    No offense to anybody, but in Pakistan, apart from Urdu speaking and Punjabis, majority of the other cultures have suppress the women and try to limit them to child producing machines or work in the kitchen.


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    He is entitled to his opinion. Sexism exists. It is why women sport is nowhere near as popular as mens and its why they are no plans to expand the market.
    He is a religious man and it must have played a role in his comment. Everyone has opinions which are dfferent to other peoples, get off your high horses.

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    thing with Afridi is he will always be honest and straight up regardless of what the situation is and I really respect him for that, as far as this video goes, that's his opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    It's just not within his culture and he has a right to express his views.
    Yes but in the right way.

    Not in a sarcastic way.

    A true cricket fan would at his response.

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    This is his culture - live with it. If you disagree with him then go and watch women's cricket, encourage your wives and daughters to play but he doesn't like it and is entitled to his views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Yes but in the right way.

    Not in a sarcastic way.

    A true cricket fan would at his response.
    He could have done a lot worse and trashed women's cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud View Post
    He could have done a lot worse and trashed women's cricket.
    We compare a person's behavior with an acceptable response.

    Not with a further degrading response.

    Afridi can have his views but no need for him to act smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    The status of women in Asia is very very low compared to the west. Afridi's comments merely reflect the society he is from. No point blaming him. If you want the problem to be fixed education and equal chances are whats required.
    Right, the weird thing is in those parts of the world you will find many women who are presidents or lead the country.

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    It's not about the women cricket,in this phrase he says what he thinks of women role in society and what is his mentality,but this thinking is largely majority in subcontinent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    You're a misogynist when you condone remarks like the ones Afridi made. You said it yourself, you understand where he is coming from. Then you make silly excuses for him by talking about the quality of cricket when you know that is not at all what he was talking about.
    Look mate, I don't know what exactly has crawled up your trouser leg today but I didn't condone Afridi's comments, I said I know where he was coming from. There's a difference.

    I don't make excuses for Afridi, and never have, nor am I his fan-boy, so maybe you should do your research.

    Alright, I'll say majority of men instead of 75%. Does that make a difference in your life?
    It doesn't make a difference in my life but it sure as hell shows what kinda poster you are. Some users above have pulled you up on that comment so you backtrack. No skin off my nose.

    It's silly that you are hung up on a number because you aren't brave enough to accept the backwardness of your society.
    Now it's become my society, has it. Now whose generalising? What a pathetic comment.

    I respect women, but that doesn't mean I have to like a specific sport just because people like you name-tag anyone that say's otherwise.
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    The issue is not whether women's cricket has good quality or not. The issue is that whether girls should be encouraged to play sports. Any sensible person will support them playing sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    Look mate, I don't know what exactly has crawled up your trouser leg today but I didn't condone Afridi's comments, I said I know where he was coming from. There's a difference.

    I don't make excuses for Afridi, and never have, nor am I his fan-boy, so maybe you should do your research.



    It doesn't make a difference in my life but it sure as hell shows what kinda poster you are. Some users above have pulled you up on that comment so you backtrack. No skin off my nose.



    Now it's become my society, has it. Now whose generalising? What a pathetic comment.

    I respect women, but that doesn't mean I have to like a specific sport just because people like you name-tag anyone that say's otherwise.
    1. Sure sounded like you were making an excuse for him unless you can honestly say that you genuinely believed the remark was in regards to the quality of women's cricket and not his views that women should be locked up in a burqa.

    2. I haven't backtracked because it's irrelevant whether it's most men or 75% of the men. The point of the matter is that in Pakistani culture, you'll often hear someone say this percent or that percent and it's not based on anything but it's generally assumed that it is an estimate. It's just people talk but you're a little too hung up the 75.

    3. I've been generalizing the whole time. When I said most men or 75% it was a generalization. It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong because it is an opinion. In my opinion, the Pakistani society is intolerant and extremist than ever at any point in it's history. Again in my opinion, Taliban and other extreme elements roam free enforcing their backward (what I consider backward could be progressive for Afridi) beliefs on people without no real backlash. Whether it's a generalization is irrelevant because it's my opinion but you can call me Anti-Pakistan if you'd like and that would be your opinion.

    4. The real question is would you respect a cricket playing woman as much as a hijab-wearing roti-making woman? Because, it's plain to see that is what Afridi's argument is. That women should wear hijabs and stay in the kitchen rather than play sports is sexist. I don't know whether you hold similar views but you shouldn't make excuses for Afridi's own beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    I've seen that and it's a stupid and daft view to hold but he is entitled to it. Obviously, 75% of Pakistan's men would probably hold very similar views so it shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Probably equally disappointing to see a mod condoning this view especially considering this site is here to promote and present Pakistan cricket and it shouldn't matter whether it's the men's team or the women's.

    That being said, one of my cousins actually plays for the women's team and she said Afridi was rude and obnoxious towards the women practicing at the NCA. She said that Afridi would tell the women that they should wear the hijab while Moyo was also disapproving and rude to them. The Akmal brothers, on the other hand, have been very nice and supportive. They even pass on cricketing equipment to the girls which is very nice of them.

    The tableeghi jamaat is always going to hold us back in sports though unfortunately.

    Let's forget shahid afridi for a minute

    Name me one pakistani female cricket player
    Name me the leading wicket taker all time for pakistani women?

    Can you answer them questions


    r are you only a selective feminist when it suits you


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    much ado about nothing, and an opportunity for buffet pop philosophers to preach from their cardboard pulpits.

    im not an afridi fan, but hes spot on. womens cricket is grotesque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    1. Sure sounded like you were making an excuse for him unless you can honestly say that you genuinely believed the remark was in regards to the quality of women's cricket and not his views that women should be locked up in a burqa.

    2. I haven't backtracked because it's irrelevant whether it's most men or 75% of the men. The point of the matter is that in Pakistani culture, you'll often hear someone say this percent or that percent and it's not based on anything but it's generally assumed that it is an estimate. It's just people talk but you're a little too hung up the 75.

    3. I've been generalizing the whole time. When I said most men or 75% it was a generalization. It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong because it is an opinion. In my opinion, the Pakistani society is intolerant and extremist than ever at any point in it's history. Again in my opinion, Taliban and other extreme elements roam free enforcing their backward (what I consider backward could be progressive for Afridi) beliefs on people without no real backlash. Whether it's a generalization is irrelevant because it's my opinion but you can call me Anti-Pakistan if you'd like and that would be your opinion.

    4. The real question is would you respect a cricket playing woman as much as a hijab-wearing roti-making woman? Because, it's plain to see that is what Afridi's argument is. That women should wear hijabs and stay in the kitchen rather than play sports is sexist. I don't know whether you hold similar views but you shouldn't make excuses for Afridi's own beliefs.
    labelling something as 'an opinion' doesnt strip it of responsibility or offence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    1. Sure sounded like you were making an excuse for him unless you can honestly say that you genuinely believed the remark was in regards to the quality of women's cricket and not his views that women should be locked up in a burqa.

    2. I haven't backtracked because it's irrelevant whether it's most men or 75% of the men. The point of the matter is that in Pakistani culture, you'll often hear someone say this percent or that percent and it's not based on anything but it's generally assumed that it is an estimate. It's just people talk but you're a little too hung up the 75.

    3. I've been generalizing the whole time. When I said most men or 75% it was a generalization. It doesn't matter whether it's right or wrong because it is an opinion. In my opinion, the Pakistani society is intolerant and extremist than ever at any point in it's history. Again in my opinion, Taliban and other extreme elements roam free enforcing their backward (what I consider backward could be progressive for Afridi) beliefs on people without no real backlash. Whether it's a generalization is irrelevant because it's my opinion but you can call me Anti-Pakistan if you'd like and that would be your opinion.

    4. The real question is would you respect a cricket playing woman as much as a hijab-wearing roti-making woman? Because, it's plain to see that is what Afridi's argument is. That women should wear hijabs and stay in the kitchen rather than play sports is sexist. I don't know whether you hold similar views but you shouldn't make excuses for Afridi's own beliefs.
    1. My reply was regarding cricket, as the title suggested, not Women per say. I don't know how I became a misogynist related to what I said.

    2. You stated the number as being 75%, not me or anyone else. There was no background or any scientific ruling to suggest that. That is my issue. It could've been 7% and I would point the same thing out. Of course there's issue in Pakistan regarding women, but so is there in India and the whole of Asia and the world but you cannot put a figure on it.

    3. Now in your opinion "Pakistani society is intolerant and extremist", but it's okay to say that because it's your opinion, It doesn't matter if you're Generalising and it shouldn't really matter because.....It's your opinion......yet I state something as simple as I don't like women's cricket......in your humble opinion I'm a misogynist Good argument.

    4. I wouldn't stop a woman doing what she loves, and if that means playing cricket, the so be it. Doesn't make me want to stop what I'm doing and watch it on TV.
    You should also realise Afridi and the "75%" of Pakistani men are not the only ones that are sexist. Just look at America and it's recent legislation limiting womens rights, or see what's happening in the UK and the capital with women's rights.

    Yes it's ignorant and stupid of him but let's not act as if this is a one-off situation to only Asian culture because that's how it sounds like to everyone reading your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Let's forget shahid afridi for a minute

    Name me one pakistani female cricket player
    Name me the leading wicket taker all time for pakistani women?

    Can you answer them questions


    r are you only a selective feminist when it suits you
    Sana Mir. Shazia Khan. Kiran Baluch. That's 3.

    I don't know the stats for women's cricket but I am not asking them to stop playing cricket.

    Was this a serious argument? If you didn't know the astronaut with the most number of moonwalks would that imply that you believe NASA should shut down all it's space related missions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyG View Post
    Sana Mir. Shazia Khan. Kiran Baluch. That's 3.

    I don't know the stats for women's cricket but I am not asking them to stop playing cricket.

    Was this a serious argument? If you didn't know the astronaut with the most number of moonwalks would that imply that you believe NASA should shut down all it's space related missions.
    You see now, that's truly a stupid reply.

    Grow up if you can't debate properly. Stupid.

    Btw, no-one said they should stop playing cricket.

    I can't be bothered reporting that particular post so will leave it to the relevant authorities to do so.
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    Sana Mir. Shazia Khan. Kiran Baluch. That's 3.

    I don't know the stats for women's cricket but I am not asking them to stop playing cricket.

    Was this a serious argument? If you didn't know the astronaut with the most number of moonwalks would that imply that you believe NASA should shut down all it's space related missions.
    The point is you pounced on one comment by shahid afridi to come to the conclusion that both shahid afridi and tj are anti women and they are the reason women are not allowed to progress in pakistan
    Forgetting that this argument was put to the test in afg and once the taliban went
    , the women had even less rights and marriage rape was legalised for a period by karzai

    That's if we agree with the argument that the statement was misogynist
    We have people on the forum who like to offer interpretations on various ayah of the quran
    but this statement is much more ambigiuous

    is afridi
    a) saying women should only stay in the kitchen
    b) that u19 women should know how to cook because that might help prepare them for life
    c) that he finds the whole topic montonous and has watched more women cook than play cricket
    d) that his stomach is rumbling and he can only think of food


    If this comment was said by someone without a beard, would you be so quick to pounce on the words and subject a whole demograph to the label of being sexist or is it easy because it 's afridi to label him and be completely islamophobic based on one vague statement


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock View Post
    1. My reply was regarding cricket, as the title suggested, not Women per say. I don't know how I became a misogynist related to what I said.

    2. You stated the number as being 75%, not me or anyone else. There was no background or any scientific ruling to suggest that. That is my issue. It could've been 7% and I would point the same thing out. Of course there's issue in Pakistan regarding women, but so is there in India and the whole of Asia and the world but you cannot put a figure on it.

    3. Now in your opinion "Pakistani society is intolerant and extremist", but it's okay to say that because it's your opinion, It doesn't matter if you're Generalising and it shouldn't really matter because.....It's your opinion......yet I state something as simple as I don't like women's cricket......in your humble opinion I'm a misogynist Good argument.

    4. I wouldn't stop a woman doing what she loves, and if that means playing cricket, the so be it. Doesn't make me want to stop what I'm doing and watch it on TV.
    You should also realise Afridi and the "75%" of Pakistani men are not the only ones that are sexist. Just look at America and it's recent legislation limiting womens rights, or see what's happening in the UK and the capital with women's rights.

    Yes it's ignorant and stupid of him but let's not act as if this is a one-off situation to only Asian culture because that's how it sounds like to everyone reading your posts.
    You made excuses for Afridi not me, I can put that down for being ignorant, misogynist or a fan-boy. Only you really know what your intentions were.

    Yep and next time I'm talking about the prevalence of gun-culture in the US because of a school shooting I'll bring up how it's an even bigger problem in Pakistan.

    I don't see what impact sexist/misogynist cultures in India, Asia or the West has on Pakistan.

    You know quite well that my argument wasn't based on your dislike for women's cricket it was based on you making excuses for Afridi's sexist remark. Your comment just comes across as sexist/misogynist because you choose to make excuses for Afridi. It's your comment not mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    The point is you pounced on one comment by shahid afridi to come to the conclusion that both shahid afridi and tj are anti women and they are the reason women are not allowed to progress in pakistan
    Forgetting that this argument was put to the test in afg and once the taliban went
    , the women had even less rights and marriage rape was legalised for a period by karzai

    That's if we agree with the argument that the statement was misogynist
    We have people on the forum who like to offer interpretations on various ayah of the quran
    but this statement is much more ambigiuous

    is afridi
    a) saying women should only stay in the kitchen
    b) that u19 women should know how to cook because that might help prepare them for life
    c) that he finds the whole topic montonous and has watched more women cook than play cricket
    d) that his stomach is rumbling and he can only think of food


    If this comment was said by someone without a beard, would you be so quick to pounce on the words and subject a whole demograph to the label of being sexist or is it easy because it 's afridi to label him and be completely islamophobic based on one vague statement


    I think we know the answer. I've read his previous posts to know what the conclusion is.


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