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    Palestine Solidarity Campaign

    Worth signing up to the email list of one of the most inclusive pro-Palestinian lobby groups

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    The Palestine Solidarity Campaign works for peace & justice for
    Palestinians, in support of human rights & against all racism


    Urgent vigil and protest

    Protest Tuesday 29 July 2014
    5-7pm, opposite Downing Street, London
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    Today, Israel escalated its massacre in Gaza, killing kids in a
    playground and attacking Al-Shifa hospital. Tonight, Netanyahu
    announced that Israel would be intensifying its assault.

    We are therefore urging everyone who can to join an emergency protest
    and vigil from 5-7pm tomorrow (Tuesday) opposite Downing Street,
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    Please help us tell Cameron - we are sickened at his refusal to call
    for an end to Israel's war crimes. Not in our name - END Israel's
    massacre NOW!

    Jenny Tonge speaking outside the protest at Parliament on Saturday

    Please bring flowers, in the name (
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    Protest Friday 1st August


    Protest Friday 1st August
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    Please help keep up the pressure and end this bloody massacre of
    Palestinian people in Gaza. We are calling for sanctions against
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    Thank you for your support


    In only two days a letter was handed in to David Cameron signed by
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    letter was signed by 17 MPs, two peers, and others including Bryan
    Adams, Jemima Khan, Hanif Kureshi, Will Self, Bobby Gillespie (Primal
    Scream), Brian Eno, actors Laura Bailey and Maxine Peake, authors
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    TUC to step up the campaign for a free Palestine

    This week there was also progress with trade unions, as the TUC overwhelmingly supported a motion to ‘step up the campaign for a free Palestine’.

    In a statement from its General Council, the TUC condemns the ‘collective punishment of the people of Gaza’, and describes Israel’s latest land grab in the West Bank as ‘a shocking provocation’ and Israel’s 2014 attack on Gaza ‘unacceptable’.
    The TUC has now joined PSC, Amnesty International and other organisations in demanding an immediate end to the UK and EU’s arms trade with Israel, stating: ‘The TUC should, working with the relevant unions, press those companies involved in supporting Israel’s military to cease to do so.’

    It also reiterates a previous TUC call for the suspension of the EU-Israel Association Agreement ‘until the rights of the Palestinians are established’. This echoes the demand made by PSC.

    The statement further endorses the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign, and commits the TUC to ‘raise the pressure on corporations complicit in arms trading, the settlements, occupation and the wall’.

    Sarah Colborne, Director of PSC, said: ‘This landmark statement puts the TUC, and the 54 unions it represents, combining a total of nearly six million workers in the UK, firmly behind the Palestinian struggle.'

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    Thank you – mass Lobby of Parliament

    Thank you to all of you who came to support the mass Lobby of Parliament for Gaza – it was a huge success creating a real impact on Parliament during the day.

    Hundreds of supporters for Palestine met with MPs from all political parties at the Emergency Mass Lobby for Gaza on Tuesday 9 September.

    MPs from all sides of the House supported the Lobby for Gaza. In total, well over 100 MPs came to support the Lobby and met with constituents.

    MPs who came to the Lobby for Gaza included: Conservatives Peter Bottomley, Jane Ellison, John Redwood and Lee Scott; Labour’s David Blunkett, Harriet Harman, David Lammy and Tessa Jowell, and Liberal Democrat MPs Lorely Burt, Annette Brooke, Julian Huppert and David Ward.

    lobby rally
    A packed evening meeting in the Commons heard from a dozen MPs about why they support Palestinian rights.
    The evening rally meeting for the Lobby heard speeches from MP including: Debbie Abrahams, Ben Bradshaw, Richard Burden, Michael Connarty, Jeremy Corbyn, Mark Durkan, Peter Hain, Mark Hendricks, Shabana Mahmood, Grahame Morris, Andy Slaughter, David Ward, as well as Baroness Jenny Tonge, PSC Director Sarah Colborne, PSC Vice Chair Kamel Hawwash, ICAHD UK’s Linda Ramsden and Haya El Farra representing the Palestinian Embassy.

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    Sat 13 September
    BDS Workshop- Sheffield PSC Hadfield Institute (The Yemini Community
    Centre), 43 Attercliffe Common, Sheffield Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...sheffield-psc/ )

    Sat 13 September
    Gaza Benefit Concert
    Christ Church, Virginia Water, Surrey
    Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...nefit-concert/ )

    Sun 14 September
    War and Peace
    Rich Mix, 47 Bethnal Green Rd E1 6LA, London Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/events/war-peace/ )

    Tues 16 September
    Benefit evening for Gaza Platform Theatre, 260 Hornsey Rd, London
    Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...-evening-gaza/ )

    Thurs 18 September
    Tottenham Palestine Literature Festival West Green Learning Centre
    N15 3RB, Langham Rd, London Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...ture-festival/
    )

    Thurs 18 September
    Public Meeting on Gaza with Lisa Nandy MP
    Friends Meeting House, Meeting House Lane, Lancaster Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...lisa-nandy-mp/
    )

    Sat 20 September
    Leicester Friends of Bethlehem Fundraiser Shahad Bhagat Singh Centre
    (The Fox Pub), 88 Hastings Road, Leicester Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...em-fundraiser/
    )

    Sun 21 September
    Solidarity with Palestine – No to Pinkwashing Student Union, SOAS,
    Thornhaugh St, London WC1H 0XG, Thornhaugh St, London Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...e-pinkwashing/
    )

    Sun 21 September
    PSC Labour Party fringe event Arora Hotel, Charters Suite, 18-24
    Princess Street , Manchester
    Read More (
    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/eve...-fringe-event/
    )

    Wed 24 September
    Film: Open Bethlehem
    ONDAATJE THEATRE, THE ROYAL GEOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY, 1 Kensington Gore,
    London
    Read More ( http://www.palestinecampaign.org/events/open-bethlehem/ )

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    Hmm...

    A few points since I have in the past year done a lot more Palestine reading and with a more open mind...

    I find the notion of 'indigenous' a weak and bigoted argument...whether that be Arab or Israeli...no-one has a right to land...it's the kind of thing that Nigel Farage would say yet somehow it's ok when a brown face says this land is mine and it's annoying me that others are settling here as happened prior to 1948...

    Also the notion of an indigenous people is just demographically false...history shows people always move from place to place for various reasons...the idea of a people sat in one place for 1000s of years is absolute nonsense...it was part of the Ottoman Empire which meant people moved in an out of there all the time throughout history...just as many of us leave to move abroad for a better life or our parents did...statistics also show a lot of influx of Arab immigration into Palestine as well as Jewish yet we are led to believe that somehow everyone there has been there since the beginning...the British actively brought in Arab immigrants in the 30s...it defies logic and it has no historical basis either...

    Also I have searched for an actual example of 'right to return'...one friend of mine is a Serb who fled when Croatia cleansed Krajina...she has certainly been offered no right of return...in fact losing a conflict always means you have no right to return however fair or unfair that is...a war is lost it is lost...can Muhajirs return home to India if they want and get their homes back or vice versa?...of course not...and no conflict has this end result...

    And if we are to discuss right of return then surely it only exists for those who actually did flee or were expelled...fact is as it stands the 4million odd 'refugees' aren't actually refugees in a traditional sense...a Syrian kids grandchild born in London isn't going to be a refugee...that's because the kid will be a British national...Ugandan Asians have no right of return but have British citizenship instead...are Arab nations offering the 800k Jews that fled or were expelled a right to return?...no of course not and actually they don't need it because their current host country is treating them like human beings unlike the Arab nations who have prevented the refugees from 1948 to move on like refugees have done EVERYWHERE else in the world...

    Looking at maps also gives a false vision of what has transpired...do you believe that 'The 6 Day War' was expansionism or self defence?...

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    ^

    Whatever you believe has transpired, the only thing of importance now is allowing the Palestinians to have a nation of their own. Israel occupies East Jerusalem and the West Bank. A simple agreement to create a state based on those lands will solve the situation.

    Or has your open minded reading led to you also believe the land belongs to the Jews because they believe it is written in their holy book?


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    Did you actually read my post in full?...

    I'm opposed to the notion of a 'right to land'...so just like I don't believe in 'Muslim' land I also have no belief in 'Jewish land'...I'm opposed to nationalism ...

    Colonialism has existed forever and land has always changed hands ...that's just the reality of history and this was but one example in an age of nations being created from war ...

    It's now 68 years since this happened ...most Israelis are born in what they view as their nation...issue is how to move forward ...and to look at the faults of all sides instead of focusing solely on one ...

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    How many Arab's have ever supported Pakistan on Kashmir? Not interested, sorry.


    PP's own self proclaimed sharpshooter and defender of Islam and Pakistan.

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    PSC are crowdfunding for a legal challenge to the Government

    https://palestinecampaign.nationbuilder.com/donation

    Last year, the government brought in measures to stop local council pension schemes divesting from companies complicit in Israel’s human rights violations. Theresa May’s government thought they could just announce regulations to stop councils taking the ethical decision to divest from companies complicit in Israel’s Occupation of Palestine. They were wrong.

    The PSC successfully applied to take the government to judicial review, where the judge described the upcoming case as of ‘significant public importance’. You can read more about this on the Middle East Monitor.

    We are confident in our position for Wednesday's court case, but legal fees are expensive. We believe you can't put a price on justice, but need your support to make this true.

    We have raised 50 percent of what we need to fight this battle through your amazing contributions to the PSC Fighting Fund. But we still need a further £50,000 to cover legal costs, and finance other campaigns protecting our right to protest and boycott for Palestine.

    Can you contribute a few pounds to the PSC Fighting Fund?

    We know it’s a lot of money –but protecting our citizens’ rights to boycott and stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people is necessary. We can’t allow the government to get away with silencing our movement. Nobody is above the law, and that includes Theresa May’s government.

    Please donate today! Help to protect our voice.

    Thank you for donating whatever you can. Your contribution and solidarity makes a real difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    How many Arab's have ever supported Pakistan on Kashmir? Not interested, sorry.
    That's the spirit. There are zero dividends to be gained by supporting a non-entity like Palestine. Pakistan should make overtures toward Israel and tap into their vast knowhow of defense and technology in particular.

    The Arabs are only good for oil and a residence for many Pakistanis - both of which certainly wouldn't go away if Pakistan made the move. Of course, they're also a source of money (read: trouble) in Pakistan but this is common knowledge and can be dispensed with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    How many Arab's have ever supported Pakistan on Kashmir? Not interested, sorry.
    I don't agree with 99% of your posts but boy are you correct here. I am tired of this fetish Pakistanis have in crying about Palestine, either by plastering Palestinian flags in social media or otherwise, yet never raise a voice on Kashmir. This is especially true for non-resident Pakistanis.

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    Not interested

    Palestinians are trouble makers

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    Sorry, not interested. Don't care about Palestine at this point and what the Israelis are doing to them. We have enough on our plate already and need to deal with our internal problems first.

    "Pakistanis" are being killed in Pakistan but we are more concerned about the Arabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Not interested

    Palestinians are trouble makers
    How?


    Politics trumps intelligence (pun intended).

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    And why is it "the common duty of all Muslims to embrace the Palestinian cause"? Let's say I don't support the Palestinian cause, so what? Also, it is important to note that supporting the Palestinian cause has not done anyone any good in the past. The Arabs tried to stand up for them a few times under the banner of Arab nationalism, and they got pasted.

    Only a fool would stick his finger in that mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    How?
    they arent some innocent party who are totally blameless.

    hamas esp are a threat to israel. They do carry out attacks on israel but often there isnt any significant damage. But negligible damage doesnt absolve them of blame. If they had better weapons and means they would have done more damage. Their incompetence and lack of resourcefulness shouldnt give them a free pass on the terror they seek to spread.

    Here on PP you get this narrative that they are totally blameless and do nothing wrong

    Also in my experience a lot of Palestinians, despite their pathetic status, still hold racist views of subcontinental Muslims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    they arent some innocent party who are totally blameless.

    hamas esp are a threat to israel. They do carry out attacks on israel but often there isnt any significant damage. But negligible damage doesnt absolve them of blame. If they had better weapons and means they would have done more damage. Their incompetence and lack of resourcefulness shouldnt give them a free pass on the terror they seek to spread.

    Here on PP you get this narrative that they are totally blameless and do nothing wrong

    Also in my experience a lot of Palestinians, despite their pathetic status, still hold racist views of subcontinental Muslims
    That they do, I have unfortunate first hand experience of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    That they do, I have unfortunate first hand experience of that.
    same. it beggared belief honestly

    i was just left speechless when i saw this

    so basically there was this debate going on at university and at the time there had been some unporovoked attempted attacks by palestinian 'refugees' in Jordan {?) on some israeli interests. The Palestinian guy in the discussion said that it was most likely Pakistani migrants disguised as refugees who did this. I was just baffled.

    Another time where a Palestinian acquaintance was stopped at an airport when he first came to the US and was 'surprised' that this happened to Palestinians as well because normally it was Pakistanis who have to go through tough immigration. And was complaining how Pakistanis and afghans are making travelling difficult for all Muslim. I was like world does this guy live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    same. it beggared belief honestly

    i was just left speechless when i saw this

    so basically there was this debate going on at university and at the time there had been some unporovoked attempted attacks by palestinian 'refugees' in Jordan {?) on some israeli interests. The Palestinian guy in the discussion said that it was most likely Pakistani migrants disguised as refugees who did this. I was just baffled.

    Another time where a Palestinian acquaintance was stopped at an airport when he first came to the US and was 'surprised' that this happened to Palestinians as well because normally it was Pakistanis who have to go through tough immigration. And was complaining how Pakistanis and afghans are making travelling difficult for all Muslim. I was like world does this guy live in.
    For me it was work in old career, a Palestinian guy was talking to another Arab colleague and started cussing Pakistanis because of something in the news. My Arab colleague looked embarrassed and told him that Pakpak is a Pakistani and within earshot. The Palestinian mumbled a sorry but I haven't forgotten that. I mean I have had friends go to Israel and West Bank (I could write an essay about their experience with Israeli security at the airports) and their experience was good but majority of them (all of them barring one) were Arab themselves (Yemeni or Egyptian) so it was bound to be good I guess?

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    Also @Slog its other Arabs too, Saudis especially have a massive chip on their shoulders. I have lived in many many countries (due to family moving around because of father's career) but living with Arabs was probably the worst experience I have ever had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    That they do, I have unfortunate first hand experience of that.
    Is it because of the color of their skin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Is it because of the color of their skin?
    Arabs generally look down on anyone who's not Arab. I have lived in UK as well (and still do time to time) and at the mosque there I remember every Arab throwing a hissy fit because the Imam chosen was an Indian Muslim and not Arab. Any appeal for charity when it came to Syria would get flooded yet when it came to Kashmir/Pakistani flood victims etc you'd get nothing.

    If I could write about experience in Saudi Arabia we'd be here all day. Only ''good'' Arabs I have met were Yemenis or Egyptians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    they arent some innocent party who are totally blameless.

    hamas esp are a threat to israel. They do carry out attacks on israel but often there isnt any significant damage. But negligible damage doesnt absolve them of blame. If they had better weapons and means they would have done more damage. Their incompetence and lack of resourcefulness shouldnt give them a free pass on the terror they seek to spread.

    Here on PP you get this narrative that they are totally blameless and do nothing wrong

    Also in my experience a lot of Palestinians, despite their pathetic status, still hold racist views of subcontinental Muslims
    Interesting, but being a Muslim wouldn't you be inclined towards supporting Palestine over Israel, given that the latter does have the technology and military might to bully the former and indeed does?

    Surprised to hear about your experience with Palestinians (personally haven't met any) but given they're Arabs, this is perhaps expected despite Pakistan being a nation that has always been supportive of them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Interesting, but being a Muslim wouldn't you be inclined towards supporting Palestine over Israel, given that the latter does have the technology and military might to bully the former and indeed does?

    Surprised to hear about your experience with Palestinians (personally haven't met any) but given they're Arabs, this is perhaps expected despite Pakistan being a nation that has always been supportive of them.
    Ofcourse it doesn't mean Israel is a paragon o virtue and righteousness and most certainly I won't vouch for it. But important to hear both sides and recognise their arguments. In the Muslim world we get a one sided narrative.

    Certainly neither is the issue black or white As some would like us to believe nor is it something i particularly care about

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    My personal experience with Palestinians has been very good Alhumdulilah.
    I have taken group's to Al Aqsa and found them to be very friendly & hospitable.



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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    PSC are crowdfunding for a legal challenge to the Government

    https://palestinecampaign.nationbuilder.com/donation

    Last year, the government brought in measures to stop local council pension schemes divesting from companies complicit in Israel’s human rights violations. Theresa May’s government thought they could just announce regulations to stop councils taking the ethical decision to divest from companies complicit in Israel’s Occupation of Palestine. They were wrong.

    The PSC successfully applied to take the government to judicial review, where the judge described the upcoming case as of ‘significant public importance’. You can read more about this on the Middle East Monitor.

    We are confident in our position for Wednesday's court case, but legal fees are expensive. We believe you can't put a price on justice, but need your support to make this true.

    We have raised 50 percent of what we need to fight this battle through your amazing contributions to the PSC Fighting Fund. But we still need a further £50,000 to cover legal costs, and finance other campaigns protecting our right to protest and boycott for Palestine.

    Can you contribute a few pounds to the PSC Fighting Fund?

    We know it’s a lot of money –but protecting our citizens’ rights to boycott and stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people is necessary. We can’t allow the government to get away with silencing our movement. Nobody is above the law, and that includes Theresa May’s government.

    Please donate today! Help to protect our voice.

    Thank you for donating whatever you can. Your contribution and solidarity makes a real difference.

    Excellent work. I have just donated, thanks for posting.


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    My personal experience with Palestinians has been very good Alhumdulilah.
    I have taken group's to Al Aqsa and found them to be very friendly & hospitable.
    Same here. It's always the self proclaimed 'secular liberals' who cant handle oppressed Muslims standing up for their human rights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Arabs generally look down on anyone who's not Arab. I have lived in UK as well (and still do time to time) and at the mosque there I remember every Arab throwing a hissy fit because the Imam chosen was an Indian Muslim and not Arab. Any appeal for charity when it came to Syria would get flooded yet when it came to Kashmir/Pakistani flood victims etc you'd get nothing.

    If I could write about experience in Saudi Arabia we'd be here all day. Only ''good'' Arabs I have met were Yemenis or Egyptians.
    Some Egyptians are racist to Black Africans too. I bet Yemenis have some bad people too. Arabs are just like everyone else. It's quite ironic that guy with a Pakistani flag in avatar is complaining about Arabs looking down upon others. A country where some people prefer to marry within their clans. A country where talk shows make fun of Africans and deem them inferior. Every thing you said about Arabs applies to Pakistanis in some way. One could write a whole book about this. Btw Sorry for derailing your thread OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Same here. It's always the self proclaimed 'secular liberals' who cant handle oppressed Muslims standing up for their human rights.
    How is Israel doing anything different than Syrian regime? But you consider that as foreign conspiracy against Syria. Palestinians themselves are oppressing other Palestinians. Did you know that Mahmood Abbas asked Israel to cut electricity for Gaza to put pressure on Hamas? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ent-says-will/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    Some Egyptians are racist to Black Africans too. I bet Yemenis have some bad people too. Arabs are just like everyone else. It's quite ironic that guy with a Pakistani flag in avatar is complaining about Arabs looking down upon others. A country where some people prefer to marry within their clans. A country where talk shows make fun of Africans and deem them inferior. Every thing you said about Arabs applies to Pakistanis in some way. One could write a whole book about this. Btw Sorry for derailing your thread OP.
    What is ironic is a guy reading my post and making up garbage.

    I have criticised Pakistan many times here from our human rights to our abusing of minorities. Or if you want the next time I should send you a memo everytime I criticise Pakistan? But just because we are bigoted doesn't really mean Arabs are dhoodh ke dhulay huay and we shouldn't criticise them.

    I don't really care who Egyptians are racist to or not, I was talking about Pakistanis and Arabs and in particular my experience with them and pretty much everyone I know's experience with them. The way they treat Pakistanis is pretty well-known from our workers in Dubai to the maids in Saudi Arabia. And as someone who has lived in the glorious kingdom and as someone who has interacted with a LOT of Arabs I know all this crap first hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Same here. It's always the self proclaimed 'secular liberals' who cant handle oppressed Muslims standing up for their human rights.
    These ''secular liberals'' want the Muslims in Pakistan to stand up for their fellow countrymen who have been destroyed by corruption and thugs running our country. These secular liberals want them to cry and whine about Kashmir the same way they plaster their Facebook and Twitter with ''Gaza'' ''Free Palestine''.

    For me Pakistan and Kashmir will and always has come first, not someone sitting thousands of miles away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    How is Israel doing anything different than Syrian regime? But you consider that as foreign conspiracy against Syria. Palestinians themselves are oppressing other Palestinians. Did you know that Mahmood Abbas asked Israel to cut electricity for Gaza to put pressure on Hamas? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ent-says-will/

    How you can even imagine the situation in Syria can be compared to Israel I don't know. Syria was a fairly stable state before the western plan to destabalise and remove Assad in order to continue their imperial policies against Russia and the Middle East. Israel since it's birth has been terorising the ingenious population, stealing their land and implementing an apartheid system.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    These ''secular liberals'' want the Muslims in Pakistan to stand up for their fellow countrymen who have been destroyed by corruption and thugs running our country. These secular liberals want them to cry and whine about Kashmir the same way they plaster their Facebook and Twitter with ''Gaza'' ''Free Palestine''.

    For me Pakistan and Kashmir will and always has come first, not someone sitting thousands of miles away.
    Yes that's why they have been voting for corrupt leaders . Good one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Yes that's why they have been voting for corrupt leaders . Good one.
    Considering how bent the Pakistani electoral and judicial system is should tell you the legitimacy of any proper election. But well done on missing the entire point of my post.

    Someone living in the West, enjoying the secularism which allows him to talk rubbish is then coming here and complaining about secularism.

    KKWC in another shocker, surprise? (Its a rhetorical question)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How you can even imagine the situation in Syria can be compared to Israel I don't know. Syria was a fairly stable state before the western plan to destabalise and remove Assad in order to continue their imperial policies against Russia and the Middle East. Israel since it's birth has been terorising the ingenious population, stealing their land and implementing an apartheid system.
    So you do talk sense too!

    I agree with the bold bit, I was watching a food documentary; a guy from US goes to Syria and has the time of his life before the war. It was an amazing country, now its in ruins because of about a dozen proxy wars led by trash terrorist groups with funding from all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Considering how bent the Pakistani electoral and judicial system is should tell you the legitimacy of any proper election. But well done on missing the entire point of my post.

    Someone living in the West, enjoying the secularism which allows him to talk rubbish is then coming here and complaining about secularism.

    KKWC in another shocker, surprise? (Its a rhetorical question)
    Perhaps instead of moaning about Palestinians, secular liberals should get to work and change the corrupt system. Secular Liberals have clearly failed. Most I've spoken to are against PTI , the only non-corrupt party because Imran Khan is a religious guy. They seem to be the most useless people in Pakistan.

    I would speak the same on this subject if I was in Pakistan as many do, pretty lame point tbf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I have criticised Pakistan many times here from our human rights to our abusing of minorities. Or if you want the next time I should send you a memo everytime I criticise Pakistan? But just because we are bigoted doesn't really mean Arabs are dhoodh ke dhulay huay and we shouldn't criticise them.

    I don't really care who Egyptians are racist to or not, I was talking about Pakistanis and Arabs and in particular my experience with them and pretty much everyone I know's experience with them. The way they treat Pakistanis is pretty well-known from our workers in Dubai to the maids in Saudi Arabia. And as someone who has lived in the glorious kingdom and as someone who has interacted with a LOT of Arabs I know all this crap first hand.
    Nothing is made up, everything I said about Pakistan is true. No Arabs are no angels and I didn't say they are. So quite ironic that you will accuse me of making up garbage. I don't care whether you criticize Pakistan's behavior back home or not. Condemn your own behavior because you generalize every Arab and honestly come across as a bigot yourself. So here is another case of pot calling kettle black.

    So you don't care if the are racist towards others as long as they treat your felllow Pakistanis well? Knew it. Nationalists are cancer. I personally don't believe a word about your personal experience. No reason to believe a person who incites hatred and generalize people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Perhaps instead of moaning about Palestinians, secular liberals should get to work and change the corrupt system. Secular Liberals have clearly failed. Most I've spoken to are against PTI , the only non-corrupt party because Imran Khan is a religious guy. They seem to be the most useless people in Pakistan.

    I would speak the same on this subject if I was in Pakistan as many do, pretty lame point tbf.
    I am not religious and am someone who would want a secular Pakistan but I am a hardcore PTI fan, probably his biggest defender on PP. What on earth are you on about, my comment about corrupt thugs should have given it away

    Secular Pakistanis are what, 1% of the population? How on earth do you expect them to change the system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    So you do talk sense too!

    I agree with the bold bit, I was watching a food documentary; a guy from US goes to Syria and has the time of his life before the war. It was an amazing country, now its in ruins because of about a dozen proxy wars led by trash terrorist groups with funding from all over the place.
    Absolutely, Syria was one of the rare countries in the middle east where people of all faiths used to live in harmony. It had so many different people it was a breath of fresh air. Sure it wasn't a democracy and Assad isn't a saint but the greed of certain powers has destroyed a great nation. It's one of the most sickening attacks on a nation in history. You can read the Syria thread which is one of the best threads on PP, it has so much information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I am not religious and I am a hardcore PTI fan, probably his biggest defender on PP. What on earth are you on about
    I can't recall mentioning you or implying my post was about you. I only generalised secular liberals. If you consider yourself one and are a PTI supporter then it's a good you are supporting a decent party.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How you can even imagine the situation in Syria can be compared to Israel I don't know. Syria was a fairly stable state before the western plan to destabalise and remove Assad in order to continue their imperial policies against Russia and the Middle East. Israel since it's birth has been terorising the ingenious population, stealing their land and implementing an apartheid system.
    You were talking about oppressed people so I compared them because both governments are oppressing people. True or not? What do you have to say about Abbas supporting electricity cut to Gaza?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    Nothing is made up, everything I said about Pakistan is true. No Arabs are no angels and I didn't say they are. So quite ironic that you will accuse me of making up garbage. I don't care whether you criticize Pakistan's behavior back home or not. Condemn your own behavior because you generalize every Arab and honestly come across as a bigot yourself. So here is another case of pot calling kettle black.

    So you don't care if the are racist towards others as long as they treat your felllow Pakistanis well? Knew it. Nationalists are cancer. I personally don't believe a word about your personal experience. No reason to believe a person who incites hatred and generalize people.
    I accused you of making up garbage when you said ''Pakistanis don't criticise Pakistan'', when I have bashed Pakistan umpteen times in the past. It was fairly simple to understand unless you have comprehension issues.

    Secondly, I don't care if you believe me or not. Other people on PP have pretty much validated my experiences. So have the hundreds of abused Pakistanis in Dubai and Saudi Arabia (a simple google search would prove my point).

    Or maybe there is a big giant conspiracy to lie Saeed, perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    You were talking about oppressed people so I compared them because both governments are oppressing people. True or not? What do you have to say about Abbas supporting electricity cut to Gaza?
    Oppression is prolonged mal treatment of a population with overwhelming authority. Syria is in the middle of a proxy war. Assad and his army have killed innocent people but they didn't start this and have no wish to continue. Israel is the opposite.

    It's no shock there are corrupt politicians in Palestine too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Absolutely, Syria was one of the rare countries in the middle east where people of all faiths used to live in harmony. It had so many different people it was a breath of fresh air. Sure it wasn't a democracy and Assad isn't a saint but the greed of certain powers has destroyed a great nation. It's one of the most sickening attacks on a nation in history. You can read the Syria thread which is one of the best threads on PP, it has so much information.
    Syria was an amazing country with a lot of history. To see it reduced to rubble is really sad. I will have a read through the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I can't recall mentioning you or implying my post was about you. I only generalised secular liberals. If you consider yourself one and are a PTI supporter then it's a good you are supporting a decent party.
    Secular liberals cannot do anything in Pakistan because:

    a) there is not enough of them, probably a very tiny part of the population and;
    b) outing yourself as secular is a pretty sure way of getting abused or possibly killed in Pakistan. We have governors being shot dead for defending Christians so I doubt what your average liberal can do. Imran Khan is insulted constantly because his ex-wife wore this or that or she was a jew or that, it should tell you about the mentality of the average joe

    The change will come with the rest of the population. But till they rise and march against Nawaz and his ilk nothing won't happen. And yes, I agree with your view as well, a lot of liberals in Pakistan are a bit cringing. Nadeem Paracha comes to my mind, but even then they have no power or numbers to change anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I accused you of making up garbage when you said ''Pakistanis don't criticise Pakistan'', when I have bashed Pakistan umpteen times in the past. It was fairly simple to understand unless you have comprehension issues.

    Secondly, I don't care if you believe me or not. Other people on PP have pretty much validated my experiences. So have the hundreds of abused Pakistanis in Dubai and Saudi Arabia (a simple google search would prove my point).

    Or maybe there is a big giant conspiracy to lie Saeed, perhaps?
    I never said Pakistanis don't criticize Pakistan. I brought Pakistan up because you seem to have the same qualities as some Pakistanis so condemning arabs is a huge sham. You generalize people your self so criticize your own behavior.

    Other people are not generalizing, you are. I know people are not treated well in Middle East. No one denied that, as usual you are making stuff up that I never said. I don't believe in conspiracies. People in general are definitely not treated well in Middle East. Please stop using similes, it's cringe worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post

    Also in my experience a lot of Palestinians, despite their pathetic status, still hold racist views of subcontinental Muslims
    Finally!!!!!!. I have been harping this for years on this forum... Arabs in general look down on ppl from the sub continent like they are insects or along those lines. Having interacted with plenty of arabs they are racist to the core, you are nothing but a darker skinned muslim convert to them who they regard very low... This false islamic brotherhood shown by the sub contental converts to appease the arabs needs to stop, grow some self esteem for gods sake... Also an aquintance of mine who is an arab from Eygpt told me how Palestinians are so ungrateful, apparently they are given royal treatment in Egypt but no matter what is given to them nothing is ever good enough...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    I never said Pakistanis don't criticize Pakistan. I brought Pakistan up because you seem to have the same qualities as some Pakistanis so condemning arabs is a huge sham. You generalize people your self so criticize your own behavior.

    Other people are not generalizing, you are. I know people are not treated well in Middle East. No one denied that, as usual you are making stuff up that I never said. I don't believe in conspiracies. People in general are definitely not treated well in Middle East.
    So you're saying Pakistanis aren't innocent and Arabs are racist too? Which is what I said above as well, but for some reason you got your knickers in a twist when I said that.

    Secondly noone abuses foreign workers in their tens of thousands like the Arabs do with slave-like rights and disgusting treatment. From Sri Lanka and Filipono maids to Pakistani builders. At every level they are treated like vermin. If it was one case then I'd agree, but its not. Even now in Qatar thousands are dying every year to build their football grounds. Bring me such fatality rates or such number of abuses in any other country heaped on foreign people and I'll bash them too. Then having lived there I know it for a fact. Whether you believe that or not means very little to me, but countless other cases (easy to look up) and other people in thread echoing my views says more about my truth than your wiffy waffly posts. So you bet your ten cents I am generalizing. If Pakistanis abused other ethnicities with such brutality I'd nod my head too if they were generalized.

    Please stop using similes, it's cringe worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Syria was an amazing country with a lot of history. To see it reduced to rubble is really sad. I will have a read through the thread.



    Secular liberals cannot do anything in Pakistan because:

    a) there is not enough of them, probably a very tiny part of the population and;
    b) outing yourself as secular is a pretty sure way of getting abused or possibly killed in Pakistan. We have governors being shot dead for defending Christians so I doubt what your average liberal can do. Imran Khan is insulted constantly because his ex-wife wore this or that or she was a jew or that, it should tell you about the mentality of the average joe

    The change will come with the rest of the population. But till they rise and march against Nawaz and his ilk nothing won't happen. And yes, I agree with your view as well, a lot of liberals in Pakistan are a bit cringing. Nadeem Paracha comes to my mind, but even then they have no power or numbers to change anything.
    No offence but this is why I said they are useless in Pakistan. I read articles by the likes of Shamila Gyas who is basically a secular liberal. She has the power of the pen being a journalist but spends most of her time writing against religous issues or religous extremism. Sure these are important topics esp in Pakistan but nothing is as important as corruption but you hardly hear a peep out of her in this regard.

    Sometimes you have to sacrifice yourself to the principles you hold if you truly want change, this is what the likes of Malcolm X and Dr M L King did, and many others in history too. If you want change, you must be brave to achieve it.

    Imran Khan was criticised for what you mentioned but these days it's more smears from Liberals who call him Taliban Khan etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    No offence but this is why I said they are useless in Pakistan. I read articles by the likes of Shamila Gyas who is basically a secular liberal. She has the power of the pen being a journalist but spends most of her time writing against religous issues or religous extremism. Sure these are important topics esp in Pakistan but nothing is as important as corruption but you hardly hear a peep out of her in this regard.

    Sometimes you have to sacrifice yourself to the principles you hold if you truly want change, this is what the likes of Malcolm X and Dr M L King did, and many others in history too. If you want change, you must be brave to achieve it.

    Imran Khan was criticised for what you mentioned but these days it's more smears from Liberals who call him Taliban Khan etc.
    Most people call him a Jewish agent, ie 99% of his critics. The only people who call him Taliban Khan are the minority you find sitting outside Pakistan.

    A secular journalist will achieve nothing in Pakistan by the power of her pen. I gave the example of Salman Taseer, someone who defended a non-Muslim and was gunned down. If people in power can't change anything how do you expect 1% of the population to change anything?

    Secular people are not in power anywhere, not in judiciary, not in government, not in police.

    The only people who change our nation is the everyday joe. But it is not easy, I am sure you followed the Panama case, so I am sure y ou know easily PMLN got off. but nothing will change unless the entire country is on the streets like when it was against Musharraf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Ofcourse it doesn't mean Israel is a paragon o virtue and righteousness and most certainly I won't vouch for it. But important to hear both sides and recognise their arguments. In the Muslim world we get a one sided narrative.

    Certainly neither is the issue black or white As some would like us to believe nor is it something i particularly care about
    I agree but the burden of blame surely lies with Israel given that with their superior ability and technology they are able to inflict significantly more damage to the Palestinian side than vice-versa (objectively speaking) - including the the illegal settlements etc.
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    So you're saying Pakistanis aren't innocent and Arabs are racist too? Which is what I said above as well, but for some reason you got your knickers in a twist when I said that
    No I said Middle East, not Arabs. See you keep using Arabs, some how imagined that I said Arab too and then you accuse me of making stuff up. There are all kind of Arabs, poor rich and some are oppressed themselves. How would you feel if someone called you a terrorist or other absuive word just because you're a Pakistani? Do you blame "all of them" for oppressing Pakistanis? Blame the dictators for creating such conditions. This is exactly why I got my knickers, dhoti, shalwar and whatever in a twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    No I said Middle East, not Arabs. See you keep using Arabs, some how imagined that I said Arab too and then you accuse me of making stuff up. There are all kind of Arabs, poor rich and some are oppressed themselves. How would you feel if someone called you a terrorist or other absuive word just because you're a Pakistani? Do you blame "all of them" for oppressing Pakistanis? Blame the dictators for creating such conditions. This is exactly why I got my knickers, dhoti, shalwar and whatever in a twist.
    If my nation was involved in abusing countless migrants with no rights and involved in thousands of their deaths every year and then if someone said I don't like Pakistanis I'd have no problem with it. Does that answer your question?
    This is exactly why I got my knickers, dhoti, shalwar and whatever in a twist.
    Not even a first date and you're giving me such info.

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    If my nation was involved in abusing countless migrants with no rights and involved in thousands of their deaths every year and then if someone said I don't like Pakistanis I'd have no problem with it. Does that answer your question?
    It does. You still want to generalize people and have no right to accuse Arabs of doing the same to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Most people call him a Jewish agent, ie 99% of his critics. The only people who call him Taliban Khan are the minority you find sitting outside Pakistan.
    Like who? Do you have some examples?

    A secular journalist will achieve nothing in Pakistan by the power of her pen. I gave the example of Salman Taseer, someone who defended a non-Muslim and was gunned down. If people in power can't change anything how do you expect 1% of the population to change anything?

    Secular people are not in power anywhere, not in judiciary, not in government, not in police.

    The only people who change our nation is the everyday joe. But it is not easy, I am sure you followed the Panama case, so I am sure y ou know easily PMLN got off. but nothing will change unless the entire country is on the streets like when it was against Musharraf.
    Of course it wrong a man was murdered but Taseer in his own fervour went off the track abusing religion instead of intelligent criticism. I don't expect any secular writer to change Pakistan, my point was she doesn't write anything against corruption compared to her other interests.

    Well then you must agree they are useless if they have no influence to make a change.

    I think the fact PTI has risen to such strength amid epidemic corruption shows the nation can change and will change. Secular, religious or anyone else who wants change just has to keep pushing and it will come , hopefully next election.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    It does. You still want to generalize people and have no right to accuse Arabs of doing the same to you.
    Considering Pakistanis do not kill or maim or abuse countless migrants so if someone generalized Pakistanis of being racist to people of other nations then sure I'd have a problem.

    If someone, however, were to call Pakistanis intolerant towards non-Sunni Muslims because we abuse our minorities then that'd be correct and I really wouldn't have any problem with it. (this intolerance too btw, thanks to our Arab Lords and their funding off tens of thousands of Wahabi backed madrassahs)

    I hope it answers your queries. The only with problems here is you

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Like who? Do you have some examples?



    Of course it wrong a man was murdered but Taseer in his own fervour went off the track abusing religion instead of intelligent criticism. I don't expect any secular writer to change Pakistan, my point was she doesn't write anything against corruption compared to her other interests.

    Well then you must agree they are useless if they have no influence to make a change.

    I think the fact PTI has risen to such strength amid epidemic corruption shows the nation can change and will change. Secular, religious or anyone else who wants change just has to keep pushing and it will come , hopefully next election.
    Yes, I agree about writers who should go after PMLN but don't. That's on them. But even if they did it would not matter much.

    As for next election, I hope it changes. Least of all it get rids of Sethi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Perhaps instead of moaning about Palestinians, secular liberals should get to work and change the corrupt system. Secular Liberals have clearly failed. Most I've spoken to are against PTI , the only non-corrupt party because Imran Khan is a religious guy. They seem to be the most useless people in Pakistan.

    I would speak the same on this subject if I was in Pakistan as many do, pretty lame point tbf.
    How many secular liberals are there? 20?

    Liberals have no say in Pakistan and if they did maybe it wouldn't have been the same mess it is.

    It is the right wing ilk which calls Imran Khan a Jewish agent which you should turn your attention to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    How many secular liberals are there? 20?

    Liberals have no say in Pakistan and if they did maybe it wouldn't have been the same mess it is.

    It is the right wing ilk which calls Imran Khan a Jewish agent which you should turn your attention to
    Im sure there is more than 20 just on this forum.

    Secular liberals would make even a bigger mess. You can't go against 99% and do any good. Pakistani's who are patriotic and corruption free can make the change needed, regardless of their personal ideologies.

    When was the last time IK was called a Jewish agent on T.V, radio, newspaper? I only watch Pak news channels with my dad and only read the news sometimes, mostly on here.


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    Post sensibly and stay on topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I don't agree with 99% of your posts but boy are you correct here. I am tired of this fetish Pakistanis have in crying about Palestine, either by plastering Palestinian flags in social media or otherwise, yet never raise a voice on Kashmir. This is especially true for non-resident Pakistanis.
    At least you agree with 1% of what I say!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Excellent work. I have just donated, thanks for posting.
    No problem. Was my duty to do so especially during Ramadan when rewards to any donations/charity is multiplied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    When was the last time IK was called a Jewish agent on T.V, radio, newspaper? I only watch Pak news channels with my dad and only read the news sometimes, mostly on here.
    Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman (religious party) and Talal Chaudhry (PML-N - a right wing party )- Last month post SC decision and JIT formation

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    Not all Arabs have a chip on their shoulder. The Saudis for instance are wonderfully balanced personalities.

    They have chips on both shoulders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgic View Post
    Not all Arabs have a chip on their shoulder. The Saudis for instance are wonderfully balanced personalities.

    They have chips on both shoulders.
    amazing stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgic View Post
    Not all Arabs have a chip on their shoulder. The Saudis for instance are wonderfully balanced personalities.

    They have chips on both shoulders.
    ,you never tell about your experience though except the oiled hair Indians in your ofc, I demand to know about Arabs!


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    I had good experiences with Palestinian Orthodox Christians, conservative older generation but pretty fun younger ones.

    Palestinian Muslims do care about Kashmir issue though but not to that extent as expected by SC.
    Last edited by JaDed; 14th June 2017 at 06:37.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    ,you never tell about your experience though except the oiled hair Indians in your ofc, I demand to know about Arabs!
    I grew up in Qatar, so yes, I have stories.

    My pet peeve was how the locals, when they sauntered into a supermarket, never bothered to get a cart at the entrance. They would show up in whatever aisle they first wanted to shop at, look around, and simply sequester someone else's cart. On more than a few occasions, we had to empty our cart so they could have it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nostalgic View Post
    I grew up in Qatar, so yes, I have stories.

    My pet peeve was how the locals, when they sauntered into a supermarket, never bothered to get a cart at the entrance. They would show up in whatever aisle they first wanted to shop at, look around, and simply sequester someone else's cart. On more than a few occasions, we had to empty our cart so they could have it.
    Sad,hard to believe but I guess the superiority complex is true.

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    The attitude of Palestinians or Arabs in general should have no bearing on the stance one takes on this issue.

    The fact is that their basic human rights are being violated and that's all that should matter. Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live with dignity without the fear of violence or persecution.

    It's disheartening that many here including the OP are resorting to a tribalistic mentality and allowing it to dictate ones morality. This is exactly what the leadership of both parties want, as they are only interested in expanding their power base with a total disregard for their constituents.

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    Dear friends,

    We need your voice on social media! Radiohead are planning to cross the Palestinian picket line and entertain Israeli apartheid on July 19, 2017, helping Israel whitewash its oppression of Palestinians.

    Today, Radiohead will headline Glastonbury, Europe’s largest festival. With your help and social media voice, fans will be on hand making sure the message gets through to Radiohead: Don’t endorse apartheid!

    Negative publicity has plagued Radiohead’s European tour, where supporters of Palestinian rights have urged the band to cancel the show and respect the call from Palestinian civil society to boycott Israel until it respects Palestinian rights. In London, Radiohead’s corporate offices were picketed.

    Today, can you tweet messages to @radiohead using the hashtags #Glastonbury2017 and #LoveRadioheadHateApartheid to tell them what you think about crossing the Palestinian picket line?

    Here are some sample tweets:
    Don’t play apartheid Israel, @Radiohead. You don’t belong there.
    No one regrets boycotting Apartheid South Africa. @Radiohead, cancel Apartheid Israel.
    Don’t be a creep, @Radiohead. Respect the Palestinian picket line. Cancel Israel gig.
    It’s #NotOK, @Radiohead, to cross the Palestinian picket line. Cancel show in Apartheid Israel #OKNotOK
    Hey @Radiohead, if your support for justice isn’t “mere rhetoric”, you’ll cancel gig in Apartheid Israel
    Hey @Radiohead, during apartheid South Africa, artists stayed away. Time to do the same with Israel.
    For more tweets, ideas and social media actions, check out the BDS movement’s page here.


    In solidarity,

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Dear friends,

    We need your voice on social media! Radiohead are planning to cross the Palestinian picket line and entertain Israeli apartheid on July 19, 2017, helping Israel whitewash its oppression of Palestinians.

    Today, Radiohead will headline Glastonbury, Europeís largest festival. With your help and social media voice, fans will be on hand making sure the message gets through to Radiohead: Donít endorse apartheid!

    Negative publicity has plagued Radioheadís European tour, where supporters of Palestinian rights have urged the band to cancel the show and respect the call from Palestinian civil society to boycott Israel until it respects Palestinian rights. In London, Radioheadís corporate offices were picketed.

    Today, can you tweet messages to @radiohead using the hashtags #Glastonbury2017 and #LoveRadioheadHateApartheid to tell them what you think about crossing the Palestinian picket line?

    Here are some sample tweets:
    Donít play apartheid Israel, @Radiohead. You donít belong there.
    No one regrets boycotting Apartheid South Africa. @Radiohead, cancel Apartheid Israel.
    Donít be a creep, @Radiohead. Respect the Palestinian picket line. Cancel Israel gig.
    Itís #NotOK, @Radiohead, to cross the Palestinian picket line. Cancel show in Apartheid Israel #OKNotOK
    Hey @Radiohead, if your support for justice isnít ďmere rhetoricĒ, youíll cancel gig in Apartheid Israel
    Hey @Radiohead, during apartheid South Africa, artists stayed away. Time to do the same with Israel.
    For more tweets, ideas and social media actions, check out the BDS movementís page here.


    In solidarity,

    the PSC team
    What is the purpose of boycotting Radiohead.

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    Will the people who wish to boycott Radiohead also be boycotting Apple, Intel, Microsoft, Google etc given their links to Israel? Why are you guys only willing to boycott the easy things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Will the people who wish to boycott Radiohead also be boycotting Apple, Intel, Microsoft, Google etc given their links to Israel? Why are you guys only willing to boycott the easy things?
    No difficult questions please

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    Quote Originally Posted by miandadrules View Post
    The attitude of Palestinians or Arabs in general should have no bearing on the stance one takes on this issue.

    The fact is that their basic human rights are being violated and that's all that should matter. Both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live with dignity without the fear of violence or persecution.

    It's disheartening that many here including the OP are resorting to a tribalistic mentality and allowing it to dictate ones morality. This is exactly what the leadership of both parties want, as they are only interested in expanding their power base with a total disregard for their constituents.
    POTW. Some disgusting posts here on this thread, not wanting to even think about helping despite clearly knowing that innocent people are continually being massacred.

    Some PPers seem to have a grudge against anything Arab and will not even hesitate to be against a clear humane charity. Being Pakistani and having a couple of sour experiences with Palestinians shouldn't give you a childish outlook on the issue, some of these posters should be ashamed of themselves.

    Not everyone human is the same and you cannot generalise about what they are like due to their ethnicity. Definitely have lost a lot of respect for some after reading this thread.

    @shaz619 would be interested to know your thoughts on this can't believe what I've read here, shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Will the people who wish to boycott Radiohead also be boycotting Apple, Intel, Microsoft, Google etc given their links to Israel? Why are you guys only willing to boycott the easy things?
    BDS is a failed movement. I don't think it will ever have an impact on Israel or these corporations. Anyone who supports it has no clue what it actually is and needs to understand how businesses work. Majority of Muslims support it blindly thinking it will hamper Israelis and somehow help Palestinians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    BDS is a failed movement. I don't think it will ever have an impact on Israel or these corporations. Anyone who supports it has no clue what it actually is and needs to understand how businesses work. Majority of Muslims support it blindly thinking it will hamper Israelis and somehow help Palestinians.
    It can't have failed much if Israel has been pushing the UK government to halt this movement. BDS won the right for local councils to opt out pensions which invest in Israel. This was only a few days ago. Lawyers for Israel were working hard against this call.

    Everyone knows this won't turn Israel into being shunned as South Africa was as Zionism influences/control western governments. But it sends a big statement to the world , what Israel it. An aparthied, occupying terorist state.


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