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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Minnows dont beat England and Australia at home, make the CT semi finals and the knock outs of the last world cup.

    Some people seem to have a 46 year old chip on the shoulder to still believe BD are whipping boys....

    Still have a ways to go away from home though. In Asia though, as they've proven, they can beat anybody.
    Itching to play with them right now tbh.... I wouldn't even mind if they host us in Bangladesh at the moment!! Just get a series going with them and I'll be happy!!

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    Bangladesh are a good team at home. They can challenge all the teams at home in ODI's. In tests they can challenge non-subcontinental teams.

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    We are amongst the big boys now. No doubt. Test wins v Eng/Aus/Lanka and a CT semi final is not what minnows do.

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    We are also the 4th richest board with room for growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    We are amongst the big boys now. No doubt. Test wins v Eng/Aus/Lanka and a CT semi final is not what minnows do.
    CT SF was because of a washout vs Australia...
    Test wins were all at home..
    I do not agree.

    SA tour is more than enough to prove that BD are minnows

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    Bangladesh are improving, but I do think they are still minnows. Look how badly they are struggling away from home. I know other sides also struggle away from home, but at least they can compete, and win a game here and there. With Bangladesh, it's a no contest away from home, and their tours to New Zealand and South Africa confirmed that. Even in Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka had the upper hand. Talent is there, but its the board that is the problem. Politics is still playing a big part in Bangladesh Cricket. Still a long road to go for Bangladesh. Yes, they have shown remarkable improvement, but still long time if they want to become a major side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imteaz View Post
    Bangladesh will never play Champions Trophy. It will never happen.
    Idiocy of this thread well defined in a single sentence ❤

    your hate make us stronger

    Last edited by Anik Sharma; 14th November 2017 at 19:31.

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    Bangladesh struggle due to the lack of pacers who can impact matches in big games. They rely too much on their spinners who are useless in LOI pitches (ICC tournaments and abroad).

    Mustafiz has been a disappointment. He was a gun bowler 2 years ago. Now he is just another trundler from Bangladesh.

    Bangla has a decent batting lineup. Tamim/Mushfiq/Sabbir are very good batsmen. Soumya is decent but very inconsistent. The rest are average.

    Overall, on slow surfaces, they are a very good team. Their batsmen can score 250 and their dibbly dobblers can tweak enough to choke the touring sides. Mustafiz also bowls well on those slow surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anik Sharma View Post
    Idiocy of this thread well defined in a single sentence ❤

    your hate make us stronger

    The poster you quoted is a BD fan(check his early posts) , he posts stuff ike this to "troll".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor View Post
    The poster you quoted is a BD fan(check his early posts) , he posts stuff ike this to "troll".
    He can be Bangladeshi or not that's not my point. I am just referring to these type of demoralizing statements.

    Morever, the statement is equivalent to the thread title. It's absurd to think that Bangladesh are still minnows in cricket.

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    The defeat to SA was just so embarrassing even by their standards given that we expected them to put up a fight, the beating was so bad BD posters have reduced their activity on PP


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    The defeat to SA was just so embarrassing even by their standards given that we expected them to put up a fight, the beating was so bad BD posters have reduced their activity on PP
    Shadi-nikah ka mausam,foorsot e nehi milta PP mein ane ke liye yaar


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    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.
    I didn't know there was a 9-test series as well?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.
    Yes but with BD its a huge problem
    They toured NZ and got whitewashed as well
    Atleast India and Pakistan fight..
    If Sri Lanka is the standard for BD fans then no wonder everyone calls them minnows

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    I didn't know there was a 9-test series as well?
    Weather permitting India would beat this SL team 9 zip anywhere in the world, across 9 tests or even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    Weather permitting India would beat this SL team 9 zip anywhere in the world, across 9 tests or even more.
    Doesn't answer the question.


    In merit vs potential, potential usually causes the greatest heartbreak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Yes but with BD its a huge problem
    They toured NZ and got whitewashed as well
    Atleast India and Pakistan fight..
    If Sri Lanka is the standard for BD fans then no wonder everyone calls them minnows
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.
    going by Bangladesh recent performance againt south africa.i will consider them minnows but let see what they do at home if they are still better at home then i will say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Doesn't answer the question.
    What question, Bangladesh are still minnows that's a fact, anything else is just background noise. They have no stomach for a fight outside their home, Sakib skipping the SA tour was deplorable & their fans supported this!

    Then they tend to go manic depressive pretty quickly, anyone remember the premature celebrations against us in the last WT20? Same goes for the test series against England & then Aus at home, I remember Sakib greeting the crowd in Bengali (post match presentation) & reminiscing how his wife called him a tiger before the first game vs Aus, then reality struck like a bolt of lightning in the next game
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    ^Just to add to that ~ I don't remember the exact words, because they were in Bengali, but translated by a local commentator anyway it was cringe worthy because it was as if they'd already won the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Shadi-nikah ka mausam,foorsot e nehi milta PP mein ane ke liye yaar
    Mubarak bhai


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.

    Lol love you how only said tests. What about ODIs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.
    We are not talking about tests..we are talking about overall formats..India Pakistan have all lost tests overseas and so have England and Australia

    But BD cannot even compete in the T20 format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    What question, Bangladesh are still minnows that's a fact, anything else is just background noise. They have no stomach for a fight outside their home, Sakib skipping the SA tour was deplorable & their fans supported this!

    Then they tend to go manic depressive pretty quickly, anyone remember the premature celebrations against us in the last WT20? Same goes for the test series against England & then Aus at home, I remember Sakib greeting the crowd in Bengali (post match presentation) & reminiscing how his wife called him a tiger before the first game vs Aus, then reality struck like a bolt of lightning in the next game
    Sums up BD cricket beautifully!

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    Bangladesh losing the test series is no big deal. It was their first ever tour of SA. Even, India, Pakistan, and SL have never won a test series there.

    Hoewever, the ODI and T20 performance was really abysmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    We are not talking about tests..we are talking about overall formats..India Pakistan have all lost tests overseas and so have England and Australia

    But BD cannot even compete in the T20 format.
    Touring SAF isn't easy fora team that plays most of it's cricket on different type of surface. PAK lost 11-0 to AUS in 2010 and a run of 18/19 consecutive loss to SAF in 90s.

    In fact, in Test you can question that (though that again makes it uncomfortable for PAK ) - overall cricket, you have to think that this side made the CT SF few months back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Bangladesh losing the test series is no big deal. It was their first ever tour of SA. Even, India, Pakistan, and SL have never won a test series there.

    Hoewever, the ODI and T20 performance was really abysmal.
    ODI particularly, but SAF is crashing every team at home - they have won probably 19-20 at stress there including 5-0 against AUS, SRL & WI (3-0 ?). Last tour there, IND lost 2-0 by big margin (100+ I believe), would have done same in 3rd match as well barring rain. They are absolute robots when it comes to bilaterals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol love you how only said tests. What about ODIs?
    It made the CT SF 5 months back and a WC QF in last WC and it's one rank below PAK, above SRL/WI - if winnings ICC event is the only yard stick, then SAF also fell in that category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    going by Bangladesh recent performance againt south africa.i will consider them minnows but let see what they do at home if they are still better at home then i will say no.
    It's not easy to play Test in different surface against top teams - check what SRL did in their last SAF tour. At home, we have drawn last 2 series aganist Poms & Aussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Touring SAF isn't easy fora team that plays most of it's cricket on different type of surface. PAK lost 11-0 to AUS in 2010 and a run of 18/19 consecutive loss to SAF in 90s.

    In fact, in Test you can question that (though that again makes it uncomfortable for PAK ) - overall cricket, you have to think that this side made the CT SF few months back.
    The CT was a fluke..had Australia match not been washed out.
    BD won one match out of the 4 they played
    Whether its India,Pakistan,Australia,NZ or SA
    Name me just one top tier country where BD have won atleast 1 T20I just one T20I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    The CT was a fluke..had Australia match not been washed out.
    BD won one match out of the 4 they played
    Whether its India,Pakistan,Australia,NZ or SA
    Name me just one top tier country where BD have won atleast 1 T20I just one T20I...
    That's a bit stupid to say, because this was explained many times - and this one topic I always back PAK team of 1992, because eventually team (s) had to win the eliminators.

    There were 2 matches washed out, not one - if you think that AUS could have won over NZ, then they could have lost to BD as well. Still they had the chance to beat ENG & qualify - they failed, while NZ could have as well & they got us at 30/4 defending 266 - couldn't for one of the best partnerships ever in ICC events. You should overcome from this ill mentality of twisting facts not to praise someone deserving. Read this way - BD lost 2 of the 4 matches played, it won't sound bad.

    Coming to T20, which seems to become the yard stick for you now - that actually tells about your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That's a bit stupid to say, because this was explained many times - and this one topic I always back PAK team of 1992, because eventually team (s) had to win the eliminators.

    There were 2 matches washed out, not one - if you think that AUS could have won over NZ, then they could have lost to BD as well. Still they had the chance to beat ENG & qualify - they failed, while NZ could have as well & they got us at 30/4 defending 266 - couldn't for one of the best partnerships ever in ICC events. You should overcome from this ill mentality of twisting facts not to praise someone deserving. Read this way - BD lost 2 of the 4 matches played, it won't sound bad.

    Coming to T20, which seems to become the yard stick for you now - that actually tells about your age.
    Ok what about ODIs?

    May I ask dear sir when did BD last win an away ODI vs England,SA,Australia,NZ etc
    I will not mention India and UAE because both BCCI and PCB do not consider BD competitive enough to invite you for a full fledge series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Ok what about ODIs?

    May I ask dear sir when did BD last win an away ODI vs England,SA,Australia,NZ etc
    I will not mention India and UAE because both BCCI and PCB do not consider BD competitive enough to invite you for a full fledge series
    You know, why I said you are exposing your age - not because it's T20, rather they way you are arguing, like a kindergarten kid.

    BD plays very little away, therefore that comparison isn't fair; PAK won an ODI series in ENG last in 1974........... For this one, I did mention what was enough at first point - last 2 ICC events in AUS/NZ & ENG, we did make the 1st cut over ENG, AUS & NZ.
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    Not minnows but yes a lot of room for improvement in all formats combined. Not a big boy, not a minnow like Ireland. Crossroads.

    Need more A team games and another domestic competition on the calendar. Need some foreign coaches too. Heck bring in Waqar Younis to groom youngsters. BCB is rich! Richer than most boards. Too busy putting money in their pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    BD plays very little away, therefore that comparison isn't fair; PAK won an ODI series in ENG last in 1974........... For this one, I did mention what was enough at first point - last 2 ICC events in AUS/NZ & ENG, we did make the 1st cut over ENG, AUS & NZ.
    It is very funny how you conveniently twisted the conversation and brought up Pakistan's series win in England..we are not talking about series win we are talking about competing and winning atleast a few games..BD have not done that and anyone else who thinks so is deluded.

    PCB needs to learn from BCB about Bangladesh's marvelous FC that failed to produce a single Test win away against a good side..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It made the CT SF 5 months back and a WC QF in last WC and it's one rank below PAK, above SRL/WI - if winnings ICC event is the only yard stick, then SAF also fell in that category.
    Beating NZ in a one off 1 game and beating a poor England side in WC? That's all Bangladesh have to show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Beating NZ in a one off 1 game and beating a poor England side in WC? That's all Bangladesh have to show?
    No - it's a WC QF & CT SF to show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No - it's a WC QF & CT SF to show.
    Yes and that's all Bangladesh did in those tournaments.

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    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.
    Bangladesh is a better team than Pakistan, right?

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    I think the definition of minnow has to be set according to percentiles. The bottom teams out of top twelve in ODIs are Bangladesh, Sri lanka, WestIndies, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If you consider the bottom 25 percentile as minnows, then West Indies on wards fit the criteria. If you consider the bottom half as minnows, then Bangladesh on wards are minnows (with Pakistan lying on the bottom of the upper half, which isn't something to boast about).


    In merit vs potential, potential usually causes the greatest heartbreak

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Bangladesh is a better team than Pakistan, right?
    No, Pakistan's bowling is much better.

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    A combo of not being in a ICC tournament final and not ever winning a ICC tournament = minnow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    A combo of not being in a ICC tournament final and not ever winning a ICC tournament = minnow
    No, because that would make SA a minnow as well, with Bangladesh it;s all about the mindset & their stupidly wild celebrations with anything resembling victory against someone like Ind/Pak/Aus

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    We are as good as the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, Pakistan's bowling is much better.
    But since the batting and fielding is much inferior, doesn't that make Bangladesh an overall better side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    No, because that would make SA a minnow as well, with Bangladesh it;s all about the mindset & their stupidly wild celebrations with anything resembling victory against someone like Ind/Pak/Aus
    SA won first CT though in 1998. but such defination is obviously rediculous. Then dont know how many countries will be considered as minnow in football or other games.

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    It'll take time for Bangladesh to reach the heights they aspire to. Just ensure your home form is rock solid for now, which is itself an achievement given where BD were a few years ago, and find some pace bowlers who can take 20 wickets in away Test series.

    Spin heavy approach is not going to cut it in places like South Africa and New Zealand.

    Getting thrashed in South Africa isn't the end of the world - join the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.
    Good analysis,says it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    But since the batting and fielding is much inferior, doesn't that make Bangladesh an overall better side?
    Their batting is better, but the current crop of Pakistani fielders are better. In addition, Bangladesh do not have the big game mentality yet. On a good day, Pakistan can beat teams like South Africa etc. in a pressure game, but Bangladesh would most likely falter.

    This mentality of performing in the big games will eventually come for Bangladesh, but as of now, Pakistan is certainly a superior outfit when you take a holistic view of things.

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    At home they aren't minnows. Outside home, they are still good but mentally not strong. But i am seeing good future of this BD team.

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    One can not change other's mindset if he wants to call bd minnow just for self satisfaction. BD has to go a long way to be the big boys but they are not minnow any more. They need few good fast bowlers to be good in overseas.


    Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.

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