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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Minnows dont beat England and Australia at home, make the CT semi finals and the knock outs of the last world cup.

    Some people seem to have a 46 year old chip on the shoulder to still believe BD are whipping boys....

    Still have a ways to go away from home though. In Asia though, as they've proven, they can beat anybody.
    Itching to play with them right now tbh.... I wouldn't even mind if they host us in Bangladesh at the moment!! Just get a series going with them and I'll be happy!!

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    Bangladesh are a good team at home. They can challenge all the teams at home in ODI's. In tests they can challenge non-subcontinental teams.

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    We are amongst the big boys now. No doubt. Test wins v Eng/Aus/Lanka and a CT semi final is not what minnows do.

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    We are also the 4th richest board with room for growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    We are amongst the big boys now. No doubt. Test wins v Eng/Aus/Lanka and a CT semi final is not what minnows do.
    CT SF was because of a washout vs Australia...
    Test wins were all at home..
    I do not agree.

    SA tour is more than enough to prove that BD are minnows

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    Bangladesh are improving, but I do think they are still minnows. Look how badly they are struggling away from home. I know other sides also struggle away from home, but at least they can compete, and win a game here and there. With Bangladesh, it's a no contest away from home, and their tours to New Zealand and South Africa confirmed that. Even in Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka had the upper hand. Talent is there, but its the board that is the problem. Politics is still playing a big part in Bangladesh Cricket. Still a long road to go for Bangladesh. Yes, they have shown remarkable improvement, but still long time if they want to become a major side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imteaz View Post
    Bangladesh will never play Champions Trophy. It will never happen.
    Idiocy of this thread well defined in a single sentence ❤

    your hate make us stronger

    Last edited by Anik Sharma; 14th November 2017 at 18:31.

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    Bangladesh struggle due to the lack of pacers who can impact matches in big games. They rely too much on their spinners who are useless in LOI pitches (ICC tournaments and abroad).

    Mustafiz has been a disappointment. He was a gun bowler 2 years ago. Now he is just another trundler from Bangladesh.

    Bangla has a decent batting lineup. Tamim/Mushfiq/Sabbir are very good batsmen. Soumya is decent but very inconsistent. The rest are average.

    Overall, on slow surfaces, they are a very good team. Their batsmen can score 250 and their dibbly dobblers can tweak enough to choke the touring sides. Mustafiz also bowls well on those slow surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anik Sharma View Post
    Idiocy of this thread well defined in a single sentence ❤

    your hate make us stronger

    The poster you quoted is a BD fan(check his early posts) , he posts stuff ike this to "troll".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor View Post
    The poster you quoted is a BD fan(check his early posts) , he posts stuff ike this to "troll".
    He can be Bangladeshi or not that's not my point. I am just referring to these type of demoralizing statements.

    Morever, the statement is equivalent to the thread title. It's absurd to think that Bangladesh are still minnows in cricket.

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    The defeat to SA was just so embarrassing even by their standards given that we expected them to put up a fight, the beating was so bad BD posters have reduced their activity on PP


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    The defeat to SA was just so embarrassing even by their standards given that we expected them to put up a fight, the beating was so bad BD posters have reduced their activity on PP
    Shadi-nikah ka mausam,foorsot e nehi milta PP mein ane ke liye yaar


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    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.
    I didn't know there was a 9-test series as well?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    India beat SL 9-0 in their own backyard, that doesn't make SL a minnow. In fact, the same SL side (after a couple of months) beat Pakistan 2-0 in Test matches in UAE.
    Yes but with BD its a huge problem
    They toured NZ and got whitewashed as well
    Atleast India and Pakistan fight..
    If Sri Lanka is the standard for BD fans then no wonder everyone calls them minnows

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    I didn't know there was a 9-test series as well?
    Weather permitting India would beat this SL team 9 zip anywhere in the world, across 9 tests or even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    Weather permitting India would beat this SL team 9 zip anywhere in the world, across 9 tests or even more.
    Doesn't answer the question.


    In merit vs potential, potential usually causes the greatest heartbreak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Yes but with BD its a huge problem
    They toured NZ and got whitewashed as well
    Atleast India and Pakistan fight..
    If Sri Lanka is the standard for BD fans then no wonder everyone calls them minnows
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.
    going by Bangladesh recent performance againt south africa.i will consider them minnows but let see what they do at home if they are still better at home then i will say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Doesn't answer the question.
    What question, Bangladesh are still minnows that's a fact, anything else is just background noise. They have no stomach for a fight outside their home, Sakib skipping the SA tour was deplorable & their fans supported this!

    Then they tend to go manic depressive pretty quickly, anyone remember the premature celebrations against us in the last WT20? Same goes for the test series against England & then Aus at home, I remember Sakib greeting the crowd in Bengali (post match presentation) & reminiscing how his wife called him a tiger before the first game vs Aus, then reality struck like a bolt of lightning in the next game
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    ^Just to add to that ~ I don't remember the exact words, because they were in Bengali, but translated by a local commentator anyway it was cringe worthy because it was as if they'd already won the series!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    Shadi-nikah ka mausam,foorsot e nehi milta PP mein ane ke liye yaar
    Mubarak bhai


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.

    Lol love you how only said tests. What about ODIs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    If you consider Pakistan's last Test tour of NZ & SAF was a "fight", then they are bigger minnows, for the standard you are setting.
    We are not talking about tests..we are talking about overall formats..India Pakistan have all lost tests overseas and so have England and Australia

    But BD cannot even compete in the T20 format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    What question, Bangladesh are still minnows that's a fact, anything else is just background noise. They have no stomach for a fight outside their home, Sakib skipping the SA tour was deplorable & their fans supported this!

    Then they tend to go manic depressive pretty quickly, anyone remember the premature celebrations against us in the last WT20? Same goes for the test series against England & then Aus at home, I remember Sakib greeting the crowd in Bengali (post match presentation) & reminiscing how his wife called him a tiger before the first game vs Aus, then reality struck like a bolt of lightning in the next game
    Sums up BD cricket beautifully!

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    Bangladesh losing the test series is no big deal. It was their first ever tour of SA. Even, India, Pakistan, and SL have never won a test series there.

    Hoewever, the ODI and T20 performance was really abysmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    We are not talking about tests..we are talking about overall formats..India Pakistan have all lost tests overseas and so have England and Australia

    But BD cannot even compete in the T20 format.
    Touring SAF isn't easy fora team that plays most of it's cricket on different type of surface. PAK lost 11-0 to AUS in 2010 and a run of 18/19 consecutive loss to SAF in 90s.

    In fact, in Test you can question that (though that again makes it uncomfortable for PAK ) - overall cricket, you have to think that this side made the CT SF few months back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Bangladesh losing the test series is no big deal. It was their first ever tour of SA. Even, India, Pakistan, and SL have never won a test series there.

    Hoewever, the ODI and T20 performance was really abysmal.
    ODI particularly, but SAF is crashing every team at home - they have won probably 19-20 at stress there including 5-0 against AUS, SRL & WI (3-0 ?). Last tour there, IND lost 2-0 by big margin (100+ I believe), would have done same in 3rd match as well barring rain. They are absolute robots when it comes to bilaterals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol love you how only said tests. What about ODIs?
    It made the CT SF 5 months back and a WC QF in last WC and it's one rank below PAK, above SRL/WI - if winnings ICC event is the only yard stick, then SAF also fell in that category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    going by Bangladesh recent performance againt south africa.i will consider them minnows but let see what they do at home if they are still better at home then i will say no.
    It's not easy to play Test in different surface against top teams - check what SRL did in their last SAF tour. At home, we have drawn last 2 series aganist Poms & Aussies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Touring SAF isn't easy fora team that plays most of it's cricket on different type of surface. PAK lost 11-0 to AUS in 2010 and a run of 18/19 consecutive loss to SAF in 90s.

    In fact, in Test you can question that (though that again makes it uncomfortable for PAK ) - overall cricket, you have to think that this side made the CT SF few months back.
    The CT was a fluke..had Australia match not been washed out.
    BD won one match out of the 4 they played
    Whether its India,Pakistan,Australia,NZ or SA
    Name me just one top tier country where BD have won atleast 1 T20I just one T20I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    The CT was a fluke..had Australia match not been washed out.
    BD won one match out of the 4 they played
    Whether its India,Pakistan,Australia,NZ or SA
    Name me just one top tier country where BD have won atleast 1 T20I just one T20I...
    That's a bit stupid to say, because this was explained many times - and this one topic I always back PAK team of 1992, because eventually team (s) had to win the eliminators.

    There were 2 matches washed out, not one - if you think that AUS could have won over NZ, then they could have lost to BD as well. Still they had the chance to beat ENG & qualify - they failed, while NZ could have as well & they got us at 30/4 defending 266 - couldn't for one of the best partnerships ever in ICC events. You should overcome from this ill mentality of twisting facts not to praise someone deserving. Read this way - BD lost 2 of the 4 matches played, it won't sound bad.

    Coming to T20, which seems to become the yard stick for you now - that actually tells about your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That's a bit stupid to say, because this was explained many times - and this one topic I always back PAK team of 1992, because eventually team (s) had to win the eliminators.

    There were 2 matches washed out, not one - if you think that AUS could have won over NZ, then they could have lost to BD as well. Still they had the chance to beat ENG & qualify - they failed, while NZ could have as well & they got us at 30/4 defending 266 - couldn't for one of the best partnerships ever in ICC events. You should overcome from this ill mentality of twisting facts not to praise someone deserving. Read this way - BD lost 2 of the 4 matches played, it won't sound bad.

    Coming to T20, which seems to become the yard stick for you now - that actually tells about your age.
    Ok what about ODIs?

    May I ask dear sir when did BD last win an away ODI vs England,SA,Australia,NZ etc
    I will not mention India and UAE because both BCCI and PCB do not consider BD competitive enough to invite you for a full fledge series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    Ok what about ODIs?

    May I ask dear sir when did BD last win an away ODI vs England,SA,Australia,NZ etc
    I will not mention India and UAE because both BCCI and PCB do not consider BD competitive enough to invite you for a full fledge series
    You know, why I said you are exposing your age - not because it's T20, rather they way you are arguing, like a kindergarten kid.

    BD plays very little away, therefore that comparison isn't fair; PAK won an ODI series in ENG last in 1974........... For this one, I did mention what was enough at first point - last 2 ICC events in AUS/NZ & ENG, we did make the 1st cut over ENG, AUS & NZ.
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    Not minnows but yes a lot of room for improvement in all formats combined. Not a big boy, not a minnow like Ireland. Crossroads.

    Need more A team games and another domestic competition on the calendar. Need some foreign coaches too. Heck bring in Waqar Younis to groom youngsters. BCB is rich! Richer than most boards. Too busy putting money in their pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    BD plays very little away, therefore that comparison isn't fair; PAK won an ODI series in ENG last in 1974........... For this one, I did mention what was enough at first point - last 2 ICC events in AUS/NZ & ENG, we did make the 1st cut over ENG, AUS & NZ.
    It is very funny how you conveniently twisted the conversation and brought up Pakistan's series win in England..we are not talking about series win we are talking about competing and winning atleast a few games..BD have not done that and anyone else who thinks so is deluded.

    PCB needs to learn from BCB about Bangladesh's marvelous FC that failed to produce a single Test win away against a good side..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    It made the CT SF 5 months back and a WC QF in last WC and it's one rank below PAK, above SRL/WI - if winnings ICC event is the only yard stick, then SAF also fell in that category.
    Beating NZ in a one off 1 game and beating a poor England side in WC? That's all Bangladesh have to show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Beating NZ in a one off 1 game and beating a poor England side in WC? That's all Bangladesh have to show?
    No - it's a WC QF & CT SF to show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    No - it's a WC QF & CT SF to show.
    Yes and that's all Bangladesh did in those tournaments.

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    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.
    Bangladesh is a better team than Pakistan, right?

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    I think the definition of minnow has to be set according to percentiles. The bottom teams out of top twelve in ODIs are Bangladesh, Sri lanka, WestIndies, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Ireland. If you consider the bottom 25 percentile as minnows, then West Indies on wards fit the criteria. If you consider the bottom half as minnows, then Bangladesh on wards are minnows (with Pakistan lying on the bottom of the upper half, which isn't something to boast about).


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Bangladesh is a better team than Pakistan, right?
    No, Pakistan's bowling is much better.

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    A combo of not being in a ICC tournament final and not ever winning a ICC tournament = minnow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    A combo of not being in a ICC tournament final and not ever winning a ICC tournament = minnow
    No, because that would make SA a minnow as well, with Bangladesh it;s all about the mindset & their stupidly wild celebrations with anything resembling victory against someone like Ind/Pak/Aus

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    We are as good as the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No, Pakistan's bowling is much better.
    But since the batting and fielding is much inferior, doesn't that make Bangladesh an overall better side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    No, because that would make SA a minnow as well, with Bangladesh it;s all about the mindset & their stupidly wild celebrations with anything resembling victory against someone like Ind/Pak/Aus
    SA won first CT though in 1998. but such defination is obviously rediculous. Then dont know how many countries will be considered as minnow in football or other games.

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    It'll take time for Bangladesh to reach the heights they aspire to. Just ensure your home form is rock solid for now, which is itself an achievement given where BD were a few years ago, and find some pace bowlers who can take 20 wickets in away Test series.

    Spin heavy approach is not going to cut it in places like South Africa and New Zealand.

    Getting thrashed in South Africa isn't the end of the world - join the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Bangladesh can compete with and beat any opposition in any format at home. Does that sound like a minnow team?

    Minnows are punching bags irrespective of the venue.

    Yes they were poor in South Africa, but losing the Test series was not a big deal. Most teams will lose in South Africa, and some teams have been losing in particular country since the age of the dinosaurs (enough hint I think).

    In LOIs, their batting was decent but the bowling was not up to the mark. They still need a few bowlers who are not reliant on abrasive surfaces. I think they are a couple of hit-the-deck hard bowlers away from competing well in LOIs outside Asia.

    However, World Cup QF and Champions Trophy SF are good starting points.

    The amount of bitterness towards Bangladesh cricket - to feel good about Pakistan cricket - is absolutely appalling.
    Good analysis,says it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    But since the batting and fielding is much inferior, doesn't that make Bangladesh an overall better side?
    Their batting is better, but the current crop of Pakistani fielders are better. In addition, Bangladesh do not have the big game mentality yet. On a good day, Pakistan can beat teams like South Africa etc. in a pressure game, but Bangladesh would most likely falter.

    This mentality of performing in the big games will eventually come for Bangladesh, but as of now, Pakistan is certainly a superior outfit when you take a holistic view of things.

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    At home they aren't minnows. Outside home, they are still good but mentally not strong. But i am seeing good future of this BD team.

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    One can not change other's mindset if he wants to call bd minnow just for self satisfaction. BD has to go a long way to be the big boys but they are not minnow any more. They need few good fast bowlers to be good in overseas.


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    Good time to bump this..

    Afghanistan will surpass them in a few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    One can not change other's mindset if he wants to call bd minnow just for self satisfaction. BD has to go a long way to be the big boys but they are not minnow any more. They need few good fast bowlers to be good in overseas.
    If you cannot defeat a weak Lankan team in odis in your den then yes you do deserve to be called minnows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedgreen4ever View Post
    If you cannot defeat a weak Lankan team in odis in your den then yes you do deserve to be called minnows


    Talking about ODI - go & bump that thread to read comments at 16/6 after 15 overs. I read in same thread some one asking what about Test, and now you are asking ODI ....

    Buddy, your team got clean swept in Test at "home" against same Lankan side after 70 years of cricket, and now you have come to bump this thread ..... have some shame man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Talking about ODI - go & bump that thread to read comments at 16/6 after 15 overs. I read in same thread some one asking what about Test, and now you are asking ODI ....

    Buddy, your team got clean swept in Test at "home" against same Lankan side after 70 years of cricket, and now you have come to bump this thread ..... have some shame man.
    ouch !!! He probably already forgot the 2-0 whitewash as home lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    ouch !!! He probably already forgot the 2-0 whitewash as home lol
    While this is a sad commentary in itself, but I thought Pakistan lost that series more than Sri Lanka won it. Specially the first test was literally thrown away. First series without Misbah and Younis would have been difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Talking about ODI - go & bump that thread to read comments at 16/6 after 15 overs. I read in same thread some one asking what about Test, and now you are asking ODI ....

    Buddy, your team got clean swept in Test at "home" against same Lankan side after 70 years of cricket, and now you have come to bump this thread ..... have some shame man.
    What has bangladesh achieved after playing cricket for 32 years? Name one achievement and then compare it to Pakistan. Then see who should be ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    While this is a sad commentary in itself, but I thought Pakistan lost that series more than Sri Lanka won it. Specially the first test was literally thrown away. First series without Misbah and Younis would have been difficult.
    Well if you rely on one or two players to compete .... it doesnt say much about the state of cricket does it ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Railu Katta View Post
    What has bangladesh achieved after playing cricket for 32 years? Name one achievement and then compare it to Pakistan. Then see who should be ashamed.
    BD posters doesn't boast superiority shamelessly and don't bump threads every time team wins. And, no BD poster comes to compare cricket achievement with others.

    Since you brought the topic, it was never 32 years - at best 10-12 years and every BD posters here quite openly accepts that the Test status was given more of a non cricketing issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    ouch !!! He probably already forgot the 2-0 whitewash as home lol
    That's Test cricket - hardly matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    BD posters doesn't boast superiority shamelessly and don't bump threads every time team wins. And, no BD poster comes to compare cricket achievement with others.

    Since you brought the topic, it was never 32 years - at best 10-12 years and every BD posters here quite openly accepts that the Test status was given more of a non cricketing issues.
    You have been playing ODIs since 1984 and tests since 99. What have you achieved? Any series wins? Any trophies? Any legacy? Any innovation to the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Railu Katta View Post
    You have been playing ODIs since 1984 and tests since 99. What have you achieved? Any series wins? Any trophies? Any legacy? Any innovation to the game?
    That's the difficulty of late entrants, when the game is at mature stage and few teams are well ahead. NZ, IND also had a slow start. Team is progressing gradually which is evident in the ranking. There are individual brilliance, next step is collective effort, which will also come. Regarding legacy, we were playing very few Internationals till 2005, which isn't sufficient to develop the game. One small achievement I can recall is that we did beat IND in a WC game, which not every one can say ...... Regarding innovations, being PAK fan, you shouldn't be proud of couple of your innovations actually - it gets tougher for the new comers to bring new things in a system, even more difficult to do that fair way.

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    It was not a good display by Bangladesh. Everyone expected them to do much better.

    However, this should not take anything at all away from Sri Lanka. They made BD play the way they did. Sri Lanka have been punching above their weight in test cricket for a while now in the subcontinent.cI will be keen to see how they do overseas. World needs a strong Sri Lanka and it is delightful to see their rebuilding process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    One small achievement I can recall is that we did beat IND in a WC game, which not every one can say ...... Regarding innovations, being PAK fan, you shouldn't be proud of couple of your innovations actually - it gets tougher for the new comers to bring new things in a system, even more difficult to do that fair way.
    Oh man So smoothly done, yet so brutal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    That's the difficulty of late entrants, when the game is at mature stage and few teams are well ahead. NZ, IND also had a slow start. Team is progressing gradually which is evident in the ranking. There are individual brilliance, next step is collective effort, which will also come. Regarding legacy, we were playing very few Internationals till 2005, which isn't sufficient to develop the game. One small achievement I can recall is that we did beat IND in a WC game, which not every one can say ...... Regarding innovations, being PAK fan, you shouldn't be proud of couple of your innovations actually - it gets tougher for the new comers to bring new things in a system, even more difficult to do that fair way.
    Speaking of maturity.

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    With all due respects the casual fans still don’t take bangadesh seriously and consider them a minnow.. They need to win a major tournament to be considered a threat in eyes of most casual fans..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Speaking of maturity.

    Was this from the Afridi game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillionrider View Post
    Was this from the Afridi game?
    Yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    With all due respects the casual fans still don’t take bangadesh seriously and consider them a minnow.. They need to win a major tournament to be considered a threat in eyes of most casual fans..
    Well said. Harsh but True.

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    Had to come back again ...

    This thread was opened in May 2015, by a PAK poster (who had left shortly), just after his team went through 4-0 (3 + 1) series loss and every game was lost conceding a bonus (if it was applicable - that's inside 40/16 overs or by 20% margin) - I guess, the source & timing itself tells lot more than 5 pages......

    Regarding minnow - we started as minnow, was minnow for long and now trying to get out of it gradually - slowly but the curve is upwards .......... AND there are past giants, who are entering in minnow territory after almost 70 years of establishment, and the curve is facing a nose dive - therefore I am not sure if I should be more shamed, concerned or humble ...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Speaking of maturity.

    Yes, that's what I said - problem of late entrant ..... we live in a digital era. Otherwise I could have posted several such cut piece from Lahore '87 ....... and some shameful ones from Karachi....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Had to come back again ...

    This thread was opened in May 2015, by a PAK poster (who had left shortly), just after his team went through 4-0 (3 + 1) series loss and every game was lost conceding a bonus (if it was applicable - that's inside 40/16 overs or by 20% margin) - I guess, the source & timing itself tells lot more than 5 pages......

    Regarding minnow - we started as minnow, was minnow for long and now trying to get out of it gradually - slowly but the curve is upwards .......... AND there are past giants, who are entering in minnow territory after almost 70 years of establishment, and the curve is facing a nose dive - therefore I am not sure if I should be more shamed, concerned or humble ...........
    Yes you predicted the same before the CT that Pakistan is heading into minnow territory and will play WC qualifiers.

    Pakistan has new young players who have potential to be greats like Fakhar,Hasan,Babar etc. and is in a much muchbetter situation than it was in 2015...

    I don't know how you can call your progress an upward curve when you lost to SL the weakest ODI team right now.

    Most of your U19 players are hacks and failures at the international level.You call back A.Razzaq after 4-5 years and if Pakistan had done the same with Kakaml you would be the first one to criticize PCB

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Talking about ODI - go & bump that thread to read comments at 16/6 after 15 overs. I read in same thread some one asking what about Test, and now you are asking ODI ....

    Buddy, your team got clean swept in Test at "home" against same Lankan side after 70 years of cricket, and now you have come to bump this thread ..... have some shame man.
    We also defeated SL 5-0 in ODIs
    You guys can dream of doing that.

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    Bangladesh is improving, No one can deny that. But some posters want to take high stand even when their team got whitewashed against Sl. Sl is 2nd best team in Asia. Nothing to look down on bd, but well done to SL.

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    It's hilarious to find some Bangladeshi fans were also suggesting that India and Bangladesh is the new cricket rivalry 2 years ago.

    LOL india and Pakistan do not even consider Bangladesh worthy to invite them for a full fledge series not even in UAE even after 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Had to come back again ...

    This thread was opened in May 2015, by a PAK poster (who had left shortly), just after his team went through 4-0 (3 + 1) series loss and every game was lost conceding a bonus (if it was applicable - that's inside 40/16 overs or by 20% margin) - I guess, the source & timing itself tells lot more than 5 pages......

    Regarding minnow - we started as minnow, was minnow for long and now trying to get out of it gradually - slowly but the curve is upwards .......... AND there are past giants, who are entering in minnow territory after almost 70 years of establishment, and the curve is facing a nose dive - therefore I am not sure if I should be more shamed, concerned or humble ...........
    Hope the BCCI and PCB consider you worthy enough so that they invite you for a full series one day in India or UAE

    Best of luck for your upward curve which is still the same since 1999..

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    How is a team that reached the semi of the last CT, QF of the last WC, and final of the last asia cup, a failure? That is already better than SL in ICC tourneys. In LOIs, their only failure in the last 2 years was in the T20 Cup in 2016. Definitely not a minnow in LOIs.

    They have also drawn a series against Eng and Aus in Test cricket within the last year. So, not a minnow at home, but not a world beater either. Their away form outside asia is minnow level, but so was India then in the 90s and for a brief period 2011-12. And if you consider being white washed away as minnow level, then they have the same success rate in SA, Aus and NZ that Pakistan have in these 3 countries in their previous tour. So Pakistan is not a minnow due to better performance in just 1 series out of asia (England)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    How is a team that reached the semi of the last CT, QF of the last WC, and final of the last asia cup, a failure? That is already better than SL in ICC tourneys. In LOIs, their only failure in the last 2 years was in the T20 Cup in 2016. Definitely not a minnow in LOIs.

    They have also drawn a series against Eng and Aus in Test cricket within the last year. So, not a minnow at home, but not a world beater either. Their away form outside asia is minnow level, but so was India then in the 90s and for a brief period 2011-12. And if you consider being white washed away as minnow level, then they have the same success rate in SA, Aus and NZ that Pakistan have in these 3 countries in their previous tour. So Pakistan is not a minnow due to better performance in just 1 series out of asia (England)?

    Because whenever India plays BD the common perception of any casual fan is “BD ko to hara hi denge” people already look for the next match after BD match and don’t take them seriously.. Hence in eyes of casual fans they are a minnow..

    Secondly in case BD wins like in 2007 WC then you see experts on news channels treat it like some huge upset and blast India losing to a minnow, same way fans feel like how on earth can we lose to BD..

    People who follow cricket and especially BD cricket like you know they are a decent side now and very good home team but normal fans don’t.. Unless BD wins a WC or set a tournament on fire like SL did in 96 or play like SA of 99 casual fans will still have the perception of BD being minnows..

    That is the truth..

    Ofcourse people here on PP are generally ones who follow all cricket so them calling BD a minnow is just them trolling or riling up BD posters here.. @MMHS

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