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    Mustafizur Rahman - slow death from Satkhira (Performance Watch)

    Before anyone attacks me for the title, I have taken it from Mohammad Isam's article on Mustafizur on cricinfo. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/889215.html)


    Coming on to the Grim Reaper.

    Age: 19 years
    Bowling Style: Left arm medium
    Height: 5 ft 11 in

    Absolutely destroyed India in his first game. Has variety in his bowling and likes to attack than defend. One to look out for.

    Who knows he might surpass Starc, Boult and Wahab as the best left arm pacer of this generation!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    Who knows he might surpass Starc, Boult and Wahab as the best left arm pacer of this generation!
    You left Amir there!


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    The kid is good but you can't expect him to give such performances after teams work him up.

    His pace isn't menacing, and it remains to be seen how he can keep up with his bowling skills as oppositions start figuring out his varieties.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    Before anyone attacks me for the title, I have taken it from Mohammad Isam's article on Mustafizur on cricinfo. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ry/889215.html)


    Coming on to the Grim Reaper.

    Age: 19 years
    Bowling Style: Left arm medium
    Height: 5 ft 11 in

    Absolutely destroyed India in his first game. Has variety in his bowling and likes to attack than defend. One to look out for.

    Who knows he might surpass Starc, Boult and Wahab as the best left arm pacer of this generation!



    All the bolded guys bowl in excess of 145k when swing is not working.

    Musta bowls in low 120's.

    When his cutters are not working and when the conditions are not supporting swing bowling, he has nothing to fall back on.
    He is only 19 and can add pace. But can he add 10-15k without losing swing?

    I see him as Bhuvaneshwar Kumar at this point. He is going to be successful until the novelty fades away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker_Ind View Post


    All the bolded guys bowl in excess of 145k when swing is not working.

    Musta bowls in low 120's.

    When his cutters are not working and when the conditions are not supporting swing bowling, he has nothing to fall back on.
    He is only 19 and can add pace. But can he add 10-15k without losing swing?

    I see him as Bhuvaneshwar Kumar at this point. He is going to be successful until the novelty fades away.
    Chaminda Vaas, Shaun Pollock, Glenn McGrath were not express pace either, but they didnt have a bad career did they? Not saying Mustafizur would become a great yet but let's not write him off after getting half the side of the best batting line up in the world on these flat wickets of subcontinent at 19 years of age.

    He has some amazing stats too for a pace bowler in Bangladesh domestics, a place dominated by spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    The kid is good but you can't expect him to give such performances after teams work him up.

    His pace isn't menacing, and it remains to be seen how he can keep up with his bowling skills as oppositions start figuring out his varieties.
    The guy is too skinny. Highest speed with that skinny body was 137 kph.

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    cutters wont help him too much in england can he generate conventional swing?


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    Let's see how we go against the slow death today.

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    Will keep an eye on him. I missed his spell against us the other day because of work.. SIF has placed him on a different pedestal with his analysis on him. And you are comparing him to Starc, Boult and Wahab. Must be special. Let's see

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandeep View Post
    Will keep an eye on him. I missed his spell against us the other day because of work.. SIF has placed him on a different pedestal with his analysis on him. And you are comparing him to Starc, Boult and Wahab. Must be special. Let's see
    Actually not comparing (said who knows). No fun in not having a OTT Performance watch thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yadunoe View Post
    cutters wont help him too much in england can he generate conventional swing?
    He did seem to be getting some swing both ways in the one T20 he played against us

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    Quote Originally Posted by angrypathan View Post
    He did seem to be getting some swing both ways in the one T20 he played against us
    Yup. IIRC troubled Shezzy a lot.

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    He can swing it both ways.....but his pace is too low...for my liking....in previous match...it was his slowers and cutters with exceptional control that did the damage on a flat but slow pitch.... lets see how India tackles him.....

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    Rohit Sharma got out!!!!!!!!

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    Oh dear! The grim reaper...

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    Not special but probably the best Bangladesh have produced. He will be a beast in ODIs and T20s..

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    This guy is seriously good. Second consecutive 5-fer.

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    Lol at comparing him to starc, boult n amir

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You are still a poor team and one fluke win doesnt change that fact.
    4 consecutive right now. Soon to be 5 and most likely 6. India simply don't have the class to compete I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    4 consecutive right now. Soon to be 5 and most likely 6. India simply don't have the class to compete I'm afraid.
    You beaten India in 4 matches consecutively?When?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You beaten India in 4 matches consecutively?When?
    4 straight vs teams you call good. Pak and Ind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    4 straight vs teams you call good. Pak and Ind.
    1 win vs India.

    3 win vs Pakistan who are ranked below you at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    1 win vs India.

    3 win vs Pakistan who are ranked below you at the moment.
    Will be 3 vs India too. Might snag 1 vs SA and AUS Later this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    Will be 3 vs India too. Might snag 1 vs SA and AUS Later this year.
    Dont talk about future.Talk about now.

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    Disappointed in SC bhai.

    He was all aboard the Taskin train but never warned us of the Mustafiz Express

    Damn Heath Streak is a brilliant coach


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    Why are we turning this thread into a bashing thread again? Let's appreciate an amazing debut, in this day and age of flat pitches and new rules its truly amazing to see a 19 year old do this vs one of the best batting line up in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangladesh_Fan View Post
    Why are we turning this thread into a bashing thread again? Let's appreciate an amazing debut, in this day and age of flat pitches and new rules its truly amazing to see a 19 year old do this vs one of the best batting line up in the world
    True . Good post.

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    On dead pitches against top batsmen, this guy has serious talent. Should be great on sporting tracks.

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    Looks like a good bowler for BD, but people calling him a legend already need to calm down a bit. You're talking based off your emotions and not logic.

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    Whats the deal with this guy? Really need to watch him bowl..


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    No one is calling him a legend. Everyone is just praising his amazing skill sets. The wickets he got - 10 of them were because of his great skill-set. Only one wicket was gifted to him by sir Jaddu

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    Guys please stick to the topic

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    A serious material this guy is. very impressed and good to see a quality left arm bowler.
    Reminds me of Amir.Needs to bulk up and he will add some more pace and will be more lethal.
    Best of luck to him and congrats to bangladesh fans for unearthing such a good talent

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    This kid is good would love to see how he does in other conditions personally I think would be handful in Eng and Nz


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    He did say he liked Amir and you can tell from his action that Amir has been a influence.

    Good luck to the young lad..taking fivers twice in a row against a stellar Indian batting line up is some achievement.

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    Fantastic talent. Very similar to Krishmar Santokie. Will be a hot prospect in T20 leagues of the future.

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    Mendis phenomena?? All the mysterious bowlers had mysterious careers!

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    I expect him to fall of within 15 months or so if not earlier

    All depends whether he can innovate and keep batsmen guessing


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    Yeah will eventually get sorted out after video analysis is completed..

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    He is a pacer not a spinner, mendis was a spinner, and just because he got so many wickets with variation doesn't mean he will get found out and become ineffective, his line and length are deadly as well. And people like Vaas, McGrath and Pollock have been successful without pace.

    Just because he is from Bangladesh people claim that, If this guy was an Indian or Pakistani he would have been praised to the moon by now after getting 11 wickets in two matches vs one of the best batting line ups on flat pitches at 19 years of age

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    Can't wait to see him more of him; exciting talent. Any clips of his performances from today?


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    6 wickets against the Mighty indians, batting powerhouse

    11 wickets in 2 matches


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    He needs to master swing bowling and improves his physique.

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    He is our version of vaas

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    He does seem to have a Mendis-like effect on India, but what a start to his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He does seem to have a Mendis-like effect on India, but what a start to his career.
    What do you think about him?

    Will he sustain?

    He sure looks like he is going to whitewash us soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    What do you think about him?

    Will he sustain?

    He sure looks like he is going to whitewash us soon.
    Haven't watched his bowling except for the dismissals so can't say anything yet, but his mentality is mighty impressive. First two games, and he as dismantled a renowned batting unit.

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    He's like India's Kryptonite. BD should act like hospitable hosts and rest him in the final ODI to give India an opportunity to save some face.

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    He also just away 20 odd runs and had 16 dot balls in 4 overs against us in his T20 debut.

    Not that our batsmen or T20 cricket is a measurement for excellence.

    Still a bright prospect though.

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    The kid needs to bulk up and get a decent hair cut, learn English, need to change his get up

    Haven't seen him swinging the ball, it was the cutters that Indians got fooled. Need to build more pace and generate swing, Indians of all couldn't play his cutters

    120 kph cutters shouldn't have troubled world class batsmen, something looks fishy


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    It's interesting to see if his variations will be worked out or not.

    It's incredible that a world class subcontinental batting lineup was unable to deal with 120kph cutters, lobbing them up in the air. However Mustafizur was definitely getting some deliveries to swing in between so it remains to be seen how well he fares. At this moment in time I still rate Taskin slightly higher though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    The kid needs to bulk up and get a decent hair cut, learn English, need to change his get up

    Haven't seen him swinging the ball, it was the cutters that Indians got fooled. Need to build more pace and generate swing, Indians of all couldn't play his cutters

    120 kph cutters shouldn't have troubled world class batsmen, something looks fishy
    It's a side show bob haircut, i think it looks funky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    The kid needs to bulk up and get a decent hair cut, learn English, need to change his get up

    Haven't seen him swinging the ball, it was the cutters that Indians got fooled. Need to build more pace and generate swing, Indians of all couldn't play his cutters

    120 kph cutters shouldn't have troubled world class batsmen, something looks fishy
    He is just a 19 y/o. Good potential. Can raise his speed to 130-40 if he works hard. And btw you are my favorite poster from Bangladesh since a long long time.

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    First of all congo to Bangladesh.....

    to pose a threat as a bowler...u need 2 move the bowl...wheather u r a spinner or pacer....no matter.....now to b a constant threat a kp the batsmen guessing....u must move it both ways...or do some subtle variations..... like for spinners....use the flight....loop ..use the crease..... etc... for pacers... u can alter the lengths...bowl slow boucers.... in between..

    Mustazifur is doing the same... hie only needs 2 develp pace....and I believe he can do that.....a 130-135kps is enough....if he can swing the bowl..... all the best 2 the lad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yadunoe View Post
    cutters wont help him too much in england can he generate conventional swing?
    Cutters work on any track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    1 win vs India.

    3 win vs Pakistan who are ranked below you at the moment.
    Make that 2!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 11ShadyBrothers View Post
    He is just a 19 y/o. Good potential. Can raise his speed to 130-40 if he works hard. And btw you are my favorite poster from Bangladesh since a long long time.
    Thank you dear brother may Allah bless you in this holy month,

    I just prayed for my 11shadybrothers


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    1 win vs India.

    3 win vs Pakistan who are ranked below you at the moment.
    hello Mr. Joshila.. @cricketjoshila.... where is the josh of Indian team gone...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by naseem View Post
    hello Mr. Joshila.. @cricketjoshila.... where is the josh of Indian team gone...???
    Upset win doesnt make BAN a better team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neferpitou View Post
    Cutters work on any track.
    No they dont.He is bowling cutters by rolling his fingers.Those deliveries need to grip on the pitch to move.Wont work on hard pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No they dont.He is bowling cutters by rolling his fingers.Those deliveries need to grip on the pitch to move.Wont work on hard pitches.
    You've never played cricket then and speaking out of your behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Upset win doesnt make BAN a better team.
    But having better players does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    Thank you dear brother may Allah bless you in this holy month,

    I just prayed for my 11shadybrothers
    Same feelings from my side brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    But having better players does!
    You have better players than India.Except Shakib none of your players are world class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You have better players than India.Except Shakib none of your players are world class.
    Its a pity that the not so world class owned the world class?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11ShadyBrothers View Post
    Its a pity that the not so world class owned the world class?
    It can happen in cricket. It has happened many times in the past. Bangla has a long way to prove that they are world class. First prove that you can reach #5 in ICC rankings and then prove you can stay there for an year.


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    He was swinging the ball as well his cutter was more effective because of it as after bowling outswing he was bringing the ball in with the cutter.
    Any bowler no matter the pace can be a handful if batsman are not sure of the ball movement specially in limited overs cricket.
    From what I have seen of him he will get swing in swing friendly conditions. Batsman need to play him a bit like a spinner but because of his pace compared to a spinner harder for them to reach the pitch of the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neferpitou View Post
    You've never played cricket then and speaking out of your behind.
    Have played enough cricket.Thank you.

    And may be you didnt watch the match.Go watch it again.

    He is not a seamer like Asif who makes the ball cut by using the seam.He is more like Santokie cutting the ball by rolling the fingers.

    And next time do avoid personal abuses.

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    Look guys.

    Bhuvneshwar had an amazing start. He was almost unplayable. Taking wickets in bundles.

    Mustafizur has similar pace and physique. The skill-set, however, is a bit different as BK relied on pure swing, while this guy can generate movement off the pitch.

    Still, at 120kph, this cannot last for too long if teams work him out. There's a chance he might fade away like BK. But... there's also a chance of him turning into a good seam bowler if he can add a bit of pace. Remember, Asif and McGrath didn't have much pace.

    The latter requires a good bowling culture. I will wait and see how he progresses in the next few series before getting too excited.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Look guys.

    Bhuvneshwar had an amazing start. He was almost unplayable. Taking wickets in bundles.

    Mustafizur has similar pace and physique. The skill-set, however, is a bit different as BK relied on pure swing, while this guy can generate movement off the pitch.

    Still, at 120kph, this cannot last for too long if teams work him out. There's a chance he might fade away like BK. But... there's also a chance of him turning into a good seam bowler if he can add a bit of pace. Remember, Asif and McGrath didn't have much pace.

    The latter requires a good bowling culture. I will wait and see how he progresses in the next few series before getting too excited.
    2 things.Mcgrath at his peak was a 85MPH plus bowler.And he could seam the ball.Not rely on cutters.

    Asif was also quicker than this guy and he too was a seam bowler not a cutter bowler.

    The closest bowler to Rehman is Krishmar Santokie!

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    Should hype him by comparing him with Starc, Boult, McGrath or even Asif.

    Just bowling on pitches that suit him and batsman that are clueless against him.

    Taskin is still the best Bangladeshi pacer atleast outside home.

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    His average speed was 130 kmph not 120, and he is 19 so good chance his pace will increase . No reason even with current pace he won't be successful with his accuracy and variations.

    Too many negative posters in this forum, never gives credit where due and already predicting a bowlers doom after he gets 11 wickets vs a great batting line up in two matches just because of his nationality

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    2 things.Mcgrath at his peak was a 85MPH plus bowler.And he could seam the ball.Not rely on cutters.

    Asif was also quicker than this guy and he too was a seam bowler not a cutter bowler.

    The closest bowler to Rehman is Krishmar Santokie!
    or may be Nathan Bracken of Australia i guess.


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    Its not that their are too many negative posters on this forum. Its just that we have a particular CJ who will find every oppurtunity to downplay us and never give our boys credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #GreenRoars View Post
    or may be Nathan Bracken of Australia i guess.
    Correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    2 things.Mcgrath at his peak was a 85MPH plus bowler.And he could seam the ball.Not rely on cutters.

    Asif was also quicker than this guy and he too was a seam bowler not a cutter bowler.

    The closest bowler to Rehman is Krishmar Santokie!
    I was about to the same thing. Surprisingly india didn't got troubled by santokie, that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enforcer View Post
    I was about to the same thing. Surprisingly india didn't got troubled by santokie, that much.
    Pitches.This was a pitch which was sticky.The ball was gripping.

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    and they say Bangla is ordinary....

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    Every now and then there is a slow medium pacers burst into the seam, people start comparing them to McGrath. Looks like they just look at speed gun and thing anybody who can bowl at 125 can be McGrath. Well it is lot harder to be McGrath like then even a fast bowler. In last 30 years, Asif is the only bowler who had similar ability, they both were tall and high arm action, rely heavily on seam movement. Asif later on developed amazing seam wobbling that give extra dimension to his bowling.

    His debut was impressive. But his most potent weapon was spin bowling (off cutters at 70-75 MPH) rather than fast ones. When he bowls in low 120s his control is good and seam movement is better, as soon as he tries to bowl 130+ he looses control and some of the movement. After few matches people will pickup his off cutters from the hand, then it will be hard for him to surprise batsman.

    Adding speed is not easy, it probably more difficult than swinging the ball. Jimmy Anderson is very good at swinging the ball in low 130s, but was never able to graduate to 140s bowler. Amir was special, because he had swing in the air, seam at high pace(140s). That can get whole world excited.

    Lets see how he progress, but I don't have high hopes from him, like I had with Cummins, Strac, Boult, Amir, Wahab in recent past. Those guys looked to be in different class when compare to BK, Parveen and new kid MR type of bowlers...


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Every now and then there is a slow medium pacers burst into the seam, people start comparing them to McGrath. Looks like they just look at speed gun and thing anybody who can bowl at 125 can be McGrath. Well it is lot harder to be McGrath like then even a fast bowler. In last 30 years, Asif is the only bowler who had similar ability, they both were tall and high arm action, rely heavily on seam movement. Asif later on developed amazing seam wobbling that give extra dimension to his bowling.

    His debut was impressive. But his most potent weapon was spin bowling (off cutters at 70-75 MPH) rather than fast ones. When he bowls in low 120s his control is good and seam movement is better, as soon as he tries to bowl 130+ he looses control and some of the movement. After few matches people will pickup his off cutters from the hand, then it will be hard for him to surprise batsman.

    Adding speed is not easy, it probably more difficult than swinging the ball. Jimmy Anderson is very good at swinging the ball in low 130s, but was never able to graduate to 140s bowler. Amir was special, because he had swing in the air, seam at high pace(140s). That can get whole world excited.

    Lets see how he progress, but I don't have high hopes from him, like I had with Cummins, Strac, Boult, Amir, Wahab in recent past. Those guys looked to be in different class when compare to BK, Parveen and new kid MR type of bowlers...
    I felt Kohli was able to pick him when he hit him for a four and a six. Should be a good contest if they get to face each other next game.

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