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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    @shaz619 btw what do you think of Taz's son Hook?

    Personally, I think he's absolutely amazing and has box-office written all over him. Ofcourse till now, he has been getting over with the Taz/Goldberg booking so you can't really comment on his in-ring ability but the presentation is very much on point and the kid has a remarkable amount of natural charisma for someone who doesn't speak a word. I also think that with someone like Taz guiding him every step of the way, he has a bright future ahead of him.

    I wasn't too happy about Ricky getting beat that quick this week but I thought they were still able to salvage that with Ricky delivering that promo, turning face and then having Hobbs turn on him. Interested to see how Starks does as a babyface singles star. Hopefully, he can get an actual push this time around and be involved in interesting programs instead of being an afterthought on the show.
    Heís a great prospect no doubt about that, am always excited for any 2nd or 3rd gen talent because a wrestling family can help bridge various gaps in a way which is otherwise not possible. His presentation and booking have been great, canít say Iíve paid enough attention because there are too many factions and alliances in AEW for my liking, but he is very athletic and has useful experience outside of the world of pro wrestling which is a big advantage. Having Tazz in his corner certainly helps, otherwise heíd get lost in the shuffle or be subjected to the disastrous booking of Tony Khan, I canít help but feel someone like Hook would benefit in abundance from something like the performance centre but for now Tazz, has taken good care and I believe Cody was helping him to while he was there. Hook has a strong character which is fundamentally important and his ring work has potential, I love his aggression and intensity.

    I think this is great for both Starks and Hooks personally, take a bit of attention away from the factions and focus a little more on their singles narrative, for Starks especially, as dissapointing as it may have been for him to turn as he just scratched the surface as a heel, I think as face he is going to shock a lot of people, in NWA Powerr his promo work as a face reminded me a little of Dusty. This guy was being booíd to bits by the autistic AEW fans who obviously were routing for Hook as heís a heel itís probably a cool thing to do for them or whatever, but Starks won them over with his promo, winning that crowd of nonces just shows where his ability is, Starks is right, his time should be now, a talent like that has been friggin wasted but hope this new push sets things straight

    I watched the SS main event btw, they couldnít possibly have messed a last man standing match it was bound to be entertaining but even then exceeded my expectations a little and was a great spectacle, when Lesnar is gone smarks wont realise what they had, the most unique wrestler this century and a genuine once in a generation talent maybe not even a generation, he is a freak man. Thoroughly enjoyed that match, would have loved it if I were in a stadium

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I don't disagree with you. He's nowhere near MJF, Wardlow, Starks, Darby. I would even say that Yuta is significantly better than him in the ring. And you're completely right that those guys would have benefitted much more from this rub than Garcia. But at the end of the day, Bryan is high on him so I can understand and rationalize it. What I can't understand or rationalize is how the match was booked.

    Thing with Jericho is that now its not just one or two cases. Its a pattern. Someone on the internet pointed out how Jericho always latches himself on to whoever is hot in AEW, and keeps a hold of them until he ruins and destroys all their momentum. Alot of wrestling fans may not like Orange Cassidy, but he has been one of AEW's hottest acts from the very beginning. Jericho latches himself on to him and has that awful feud which ends with a match where you have to throw the other guy in a vat of orange juice or something. Then he latched himself on to MJF. And had that atrocious year-long feud that just wouldn't end. Just the s**ttiest rip-off of Attitude Era WWE week after week after week. It was probably one of the reasons why I stopped watching AEW altogether for some time there. Somehow though MJF managed to come out of that feud unscathed. And then ofcourse, Jericho latched himself on to Eddie. Last year Eddie was one of the most over guys in AEW. He was going toe to toe with Punk, delivering fire promos week after week...even with guys like MJF, Punk, Mox on the roster, he was the best for a moment in time there. The fans loved him because he felt authentic and real. And then he has this feud with Jericho that's been gong on for 5 or 6 freakin' months now and all his momentum is completely dead in the water.

    Jericho does have the ability to come up with good stuff every now and then. The Anarchy in the Arena match was very different and unique...even the first match he had with Kingston was outstanding, and his best match in years. But the ratio of good stuff to awful/atrocious stuff is too heavily tilted on one side. Jericho for me has started believing his own hype a little too much. He is insufferable to listen to in these AEW media scrums where he thinks he is some kind of artist painting these masterpieces. He thinks everything he comes up with is just the most brilliant thing ever. But really its just the same s**t rehashed over and over again. He can spend all the money on trademarks that he wants, at the end of the day has the same gimmick he had since Dynamite went on air, his new group is just another reboot of the Inner Circle. I guess the only thing that has really changed is that his ability in the ring has fallen off a cliff because now this idiot can't even blade without being in full view of the camera while yelling out instructions. I mean how lazy can you get lol?

    For over two years now his segments on Dynamite have consistently been the worst thing on the show. Yes, even worse than heel champ Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks acting like 15 year olds. And thing is, now they are starting to stand-out more than ever because you do see how much better the segments involving Punk or MJF or FTR or Christian Cage are.

    And that match with Kingston was the breaking point for me personally. Not only was it an overbooked pile of garbage with so many botches and lazy B.S. But it ended with Jericho getting the win on Kingston. In what universe is that logical booking?? Kingston, the babyface is the one who made the match a Barbed Wire match so he could get his revenge on Jericho.

    Jericho should have some shame and just retire. Because its obvious that Tony doesn't have the balls to tell Jericho like it is.
    Been saying this for over a year now that Jericho is simply not the person he used to (or he is just showing his real colors now). He used to be a calm, collected and intelligent in regards to how he would conduct himself and how he would go about his career. He would be very soft spoken, was always talking highly of the new talent and always saw his limitations and utilizing them to max like going part time after 2012 in order to keep his body and mind fresh. The list stuff was incredible, even his feud with AJ was top notch in terms of match quality. But ever since his match with Omega at Wrestlekingdom, he's just sort of become arrogant in thinking he's better than he really is in the ring now. His Painmaker and Wizard gimmicks have been nothing tbh. Le Champion was good and that's where he should have left off after losing to Mox and handing him the reigns to be the top guy of AEW. What actually happened was he thought himself to be a GOAT putting matches of the years on weekly basis when it was far from the truth. He started throwing vitriol on every one else as well whether through his podcast, social media, promos or whatever.

    I think he's consuming way too much alcohol since he went full time with AEW. His body is in the worst shape of his life, he's probably the fattest he's ever been. He's making a lot of botches in his matches and stuff.

    I don't see him returning to WWE now under Trips as he legit hates him. He's buried him over their argument over the festival of friendship segment a lot of times (even the broken skull sessions). With Vince gone, I don't see him getting the leverage that Vince gave him. His AEW deal is expiring next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He’s a great prospect no doubt about that, am always excited for any 2nd or 3rd gen talent because a wrestling family can help bridge various gaps in a way which is otherwise not possible. His presentation and booking have been great, can’t say I’ve paid enough attention because there are too many factions and alliances in AEW for my liking, but he is very athletic and has useful experience outside of the world of pro wrestling which is a big advantage. Having Tazz in his corner certainly helps, otherwise he’d get lost in the shuffle or be subjected to the disastrous booking of Tony Khan, I can’t help but feel someone like Hook would benefit in abundance from something like the performance centre but for now Tazz, has taken good care and I believe Cody was helping him to while he was there. Hook has a strong character which is fundamentally important and his ring work has potential, I love his aggression and intensity.

    I think this is great for both Starks and Hooks personally, take a bit of attention away from the factions and focus a little more on their singles narrative, for Starks especially, as dissapointing as it may have been for him to turn as he just scratched the surface as a heel, I think as face he is going to shock a lot of people, in NWA Powerr his promo work as a face reminded me a little of Dusty. This guy was being boo’d to bits by the autistic AEW fans who obviously were routing for Hook as he’s a heel it’s probably a cool thing to do for them or whatever, but Starks won them over with his promo, winning that crowd of nonces just shows where his ability is, Starks is right, his time should be now, a talent like that has been friggin wasted but hope this new push sets things straight

    I watched the SS main event btw, they couldn’t possibly have messed a last man standing match it was bound to be entertaining but even then exceeded my expectations a little and was a great spectacle, when Lesnar is gone smarks wont realise what they had, the most unique wrestler this century and a genuine once in a generation talent maybe not even a generation, he is a freak man. Thoroughly enjoyed that match, would have loved it if I were in a stadium
    SummerSlam was pretty good. Brock Roman was amazing finally.

    Logan Paul is actually extremely good for a non wrestler and could soon become a proper wrestler.

    Pat McAfee, that guy is literally better than Corbin in the ring and he's not even a full time worker.

    Bayley's return was nice.

    Edge's return and the whole angle was underwhelming. But I'd love a Balor-Edge singles match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Heís a great prospect no doubt about that, am always excited for any 2nd or 3rd gen talent because a wrestling family can help bridge various gaps in a way which is otherwise not possible. His presentation and booking have been great, canít say Iíve paid enough attention because there are too many factions and alliances in AEW for my liking, but he is very athletic and has useful experience outside of the world of pro wrestling which is a big advantage. Having Tazz in his corner certainly helps, otherwise heíd get lost in the shuffle or be subjected to the disastrous booking of Tony Khan, I canít help but feel someone like Hook would benefit in abundance from something like the performance centre but for now Tazz, has taken good care and I believe Cody was helping him to while he was there. Hook has a strong character which is fundamentally important and his ring work has potential, I love his aggression and intensity.

    I think this is great for both Starks and Hooks personally, take a bit of attention away from the factions and focus a little more on their singles narrative, for Starks especially, as dissapointing as it may have been for him to turn as he just scratched the surface as a heel, I think as face he is going to shock a lot of people, in NWA Powerr his promo work as a face reminded me a little of Dusty. This guy was being booíd to bits by the autistic AEW fans who obviously were routing for Hook as heís a heel itís probably a cool thing to do for them or whatever, but Starks won them over with his promo, winning that crowd of nonces just shows where his ability is, Starks is right, his time should be now, a talent like that has been friggin wasted but hope this new push sets things straight

    I watched the SS main event btw, they couldnít possibly have messed a last man standing match it was bound to be entertaining but even then exceeded my expectations a little and was a great spectacle, when Lesnar is gone smarks wont realise what they had, the most unique wrestler this century and a genuine once in a generation talent maybe not even a generation, he is a freak man. Thoroughly enjoyed that match, would have loved it if I were in a stadium
    Yeah I can definitely appreciate them for putting Hook over clean the way that they did. Upon reflection, Hobbs turning heel was probably the best way to give Starks an out. Now I guess we are going to witness the implosion of Team Taz, which frankly was one of the better factions in AEW from the very start. All good things must come to an end though I guess.

    His promo this week and the one he did before that three way tag were outstanding babyface promos. I liked the previous one even more because at one point he was going all Ric Flair taking his clothes off lol but it was matched well by the intensity with which he delivered the promo. And yeah, there's definitely much more to be explored for him as a heel. But right now, the time seems right for a face turn. There's no denying though that he is one of the absolute top future prospects in wrestling today. For me, its MJF...daylight...Wardlow, Starks...daylight and then I'd say there's a few guys like Powerhouse Hobbs, Darby, Bron Breakker.

    Yeah I concur on the SS main-event. They needed to give us something different from what we've already seen from this feud. And by gawd they did. It was a very fun match. An all-out brawl, which is exactly what it should have been. And I think above all, it felt like a main-event. Which is not something I could say for the Mania main-event
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    SummerSlam was pretty good. Brock Roman was amazing finally.

    Logan Paul is actually extremely good for a non wrestler and could soon become a proper wrestler.

    Pat McAfee, that guy is literally better than Corbin in the ring and he's not even a full time worker.

    Bayley's return was nice.

    Edge's return and the whole angle was underwhelming. But I'd love a Balor-Edge singles match.
    Didn't love the show but the main-event definitely delivered the goods.

    Logan Paul put on an incredible performance. I think he may even have won the fans over by the end. Definitely the best performance by a non-wrestler since the performance MacAfee put up against Cole.

    Speaking of MacAfee, he was good but not as good here as he was in the match against Cole or Theory. Corbin, despite having the personality of cabbage is not a bad wrestler and can move around fairly well for a guy of his size. I think he does deserve credit for having a good match with a non-wrestler.

    Yeah the Edge stuff was badly executed. They should have let Judgment Day get the win and as Balor was set to smash a chair on Rey's head, that's when Edge should have returned. Instead now they've completely buried the Judgment Day who have lost to the Mysterios twice. How are we supposed to take them seriously as a threat if they can't even win a match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Been saying this for over a year now that Jericho is simply not the person he used to (or he is just showing his real colors now). He used to be a calm, collected and intelligent in regards to how he would conduct himself and how he would go about his career. He would be very soft spoken, was always talking highly of the new talent and always saw his limitations and utilizing them to max like going part time after 2012 in order to keep his body and mind fresh. The list stuff was incredible, even his feud with AJ was top notch in terms of match quality. But ever since his match with Omega at Wrestlekingdom, he's just sort of become arrogant in thinking he's better than he really is in the ring now. His Painmaker and Wizard gimmicks have been nothing tbh. Le Champion was good and that's where he should have left off after losing to Mox and handing him the reigns to be the top guy of AEW. What actually happened was he thought himself to be a GOAT putting matches of the years on weekly basis when it was far from the truth. He started throwing vitriol on every one else as well whether through his podcast, social media, promos or whatever.

    I think he's consuming way too much alcohol since he went full time with AEW. His body is in the worst shape of his life, he's probably the fattest he's ever been. He's making a lot of botches in his matches and stuff.

    I don't see him returning to WWE now under Trips as he legit hates him. He's buried him over their argument over the festival of friendship segment a lot of times (even the broken skull sessions). With Vince gone, I don't see him getting the leverage that Vince gave him. His AEW deal is expiring next year.
    I had started seeing it during the start of the pandemic but tbh, Dynamite was so awful and borderline unwatchable back then that his stuff didn't seem that bad by comparison. But now that you do have some actual stars on this show and now that Cody's awful segments are long gone, Jericho's stuff sticks out like a sore thumb. Every week it somehow manages to be the most indulgent, self-aggrandizing piece of garbage that just goes on and on and on. And the worst thing about it is that he drags whoever he is involved down with him.

    He has sadly become one of those guys that the business has left behind. He's out of touch but he doesn't want to admit it. And though AEW does owe alot to him for their initial success...because of the name value he brought to the company, he owes a lot to AEW too for making him relevant again.

    And now that AEW has people like Punk, Danielson, Adam Cole, Joe, Claudio on their roster. Suddenly, Jericho doesn't seem that important anymore. And I think he knows it. Cody was in a similar position, participating in/producing awful segments and buying into his own inflated ego. But thing is, Cody even on his worst day, was not nearly as out of touch with reality as Jericho is right now. And Cody could pick his ball and go elsewhere because at the end of the day, he was still a hell of wrestler, promo and top-level star. The same cannot be said for Jericho anymore.

    I hope Tony Khan has the balls to do the same thing with him that he did with Cody when he asks for more money. He probably won't but if he has any acumen as a businessman left, he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Didn't love the show but the main-event definitely delivered the goods.

    Logan Paul put on an incredible performance. I think he may even have won the fans over by the end. Definitely the best performance by a non-wrestler since the performance MacAfee put up against Cole.

    Speaking of MacAfee, he was good but not as good here as he was in the match against Cole or Theory. Corbin, despite having the personality of cabbage is not a bad wrestler and can move around fairly well for a guy of his size. I think he does deserve credit for having a good match with a non-wrestler.

    Yeah the Edge stuff was badly executed. They should have let Judgment Day get the win and as Balor was set to smash a chair on Rey's head, that's when Edge should have returned. Instead now they've completely buried the Judgment Day who have lost to the Mysterios twice. How are we supposed to take them seriously as a threat if they can't even win a match?
    Logan Paul might be hated by people for his social media stuff and boxing stuff etc but the guy has visibly put enormous effort to train as a wrestler and his fluidity in the ring showed that. He has my respect. The frog splash was pitch perfect and he did it better than many cheap imitations that a lot of wrestlers do these days. Before Mania he said that he doesn't need to train to work as a wrestler, I think that was simply something he said in character. I see no reason why he can't become a proper wrestler now.

    McAfee is brilliant tbh. He has so much potential in the ring that this match looked that it underdelivered. I won't say Corbin carried him here. Pat has shown time after time that he can work a match by himself. He does a lot of spots though, something he will need to trim down if he starts wrestling more often.

    His match with Theory and all that segment tbh was sports entertainment at its best. The entrances, the match, the atmosphere, the shenanigans, Austin's return etc. Don't think Pat can top that.

    Regarding Edge, there really is not explanation as to why he was so friendly towards Mysterios all of a sudden and why is he a face now. He was cursing the crowd in the same segment he was kicked out of judgement day. Like getting beaten up made him realize he loves fans again. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I had started seeing it during the start of the pandemic but tbh, Dynamite was so awful and borderline unwatchable back then that his stuff didn't seem that bad by comparison. But now that you do have some actual stars on this show and now that Cody's awful segments are long gone, Jericho's stuff sticks out like a sore thumb. Every week it somehow manages to be the most indulgent, self-aggrandizing piece of garbage that just goes on and on and on. And the worst thing about it is that he drags whoever he is involved down with him.

    He has sadly become one of those guys that the business has left behind. He's out of touch but he doesn't want to admit it. And though AEW does owe alot to him for their initial success...because of the name value he brought to the company, he owes a lot to AEW too for making him relevant again.

    And now that AEW has people like Punk, Danielson, Adam Cole, Joe, Claudio on their roster. Suddenly, Jericho doesn't seem that important anymore. And I think he knows it. Cody was in a similar position, participating in/producing awful segments and buying into his own inflated ego. But thing is, Cody even on his worst day, was not nearly as out of touch with reality as Jericho is right now. And Cody could pick his ball and go elsewhere because at the end of the day, he was still a hell of wrestler, promo and top-level star. The same cannot be said for Jericho anymore.

    I hope Tony Khan has the balls to do the same thing with him that he did with Cody when he asks for more money. He probably won't but if he has any acumen as a businessman left, he will.
    Tony is a ****** and won't be able to tell him i dont need you anymore.

    Y2J is still amongst the ATGs of pro wrestling but this AEW run has been really awful to say the least. Especially since losing the AEW title.

    He should go part time where he can be revered as a special attraction. It would work well in WWE still as he still has massive following and would only need to do that list gimmick to get over with the WWE audience. It's just that he has gone loco like Eddie used to say.

    Regarding Cody, I think he himself was perfectly aware he was not getting the desired reactions. I think Cody knew himself that he shouldn't be winning all his feuds especially against the newcomers. But I think ever since the big signings of Punk, Bryan etc came up, his relation with Tony would have started to sour and Tony being a mark, decided to book him like that to force him to turn heel. But Cody refused and took the move that Tony and co thought was impossible that he decided to leave for WWE.

    I also heard he was the only one who used to attend all the meetings as an EVP when they still had some power while Bucks and Omega weren't as regular as him. It appears that Cody acting like a good employee led to deterioration of his relations with the elite and the management and Tony probs took his grudge out that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Yeah I can definitely appreciate them for putting Hook over clean the way that they did. Upon reflection, Hobbs turning heel was probably the best way to give Starks an out. Now I guess we are going to witness the implosion of Team Taz, which frankly was one of the better factions in AEW from the very start. All good things must come to an end though I guess.

    His promo this week and the one he did before that three way tag were outstanding babyface promos. I liked the previous one even more because at one point he was going all Ric Flair taking his clothes off lol but it was matched well by the intensity with which he delivered the promo. And yeah, there's definitely much more to be explored for him as a heel. But right now, the time seems right for a face turn. There's no denying though that he is one of the absolute top future prospects in wrestling today. For me, its MJF...daylight...Wardlow, Starks...daylight and then I'd say there's a few guys like Powerhouse Hobbs, Darby, Bron Breakker.

    Yeah I concur on the SS main-event. They needed to give us something different from what we've already seen from this feud. And by gawd they did. It was a very fun match. An all-out brawl, which is exactly what it should have been. And I think above all, it felt like a main-event. Which is not something I could say for the Mania main-event
    Hook has a great look. He seems to be a wrestler who would be extremely popular among the younger fans.

    What are they really doing with MJF. His pipebomb seems like a lifetime ago.

    Regarding Darby, he seriously needs to change his attire, he looks like a teenage goth girl with denim shorts over tights. Then, there's a lot wrong with his reckless style as well but I doubt he would be willing to listen to anyone regarding that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Tony is a ****** and won't be able to tell him i dont need you anymore.

    Y2J is still amongst the ATGs of pro wrestling but this AEW run has been really awful to say the least. Especially since losing the AEW title.

    He should go part time where he can be revered as a special attraction. It would work well in WWE still as he still has massive following and would only need to do that list gimmick to get over with the WWE audience. It's just that he has gone loco like Eddie used to say.

    Regarding Cody, I think he himself was perfectly aware he was not getting the desired reactions. I think Cody knew himself that he shouldn't be winning all his feuds especially against the newcomers. But I think ever since the big signings of Punk, Bryan etc came up, his relation with Tony would have started to sour and Tony being a mark, decided to book him like that to force him to turn heel. But Cody refused and took the move that Tony and co thought was impossible that he decided to leave for WWE.

    I also heard he was the only one who used to attend all the meetings as an EVP when they still had some power while Bucks and Omega weren't as regular as him. It appears that Cody acting like a good employee led to deterioration of his relations with the elite and the management and Tony probs took his grudge out that way.
    Bit harsh on Jericho, I know some spite him because he left the E but he will always be a legend. This guy has consistently delivered at a high level for so long and his first run as AEW champion was brilliant. This is the first time since maybe 2005 where his career is at a low point but he should still be given some leeway because he has earned that at the very least, he can afford to have a bad phase. Unlike Hunterís entire career, 4/10 after 4/10 doing the abdominal stretch, doing a bhangra with the Indians and cutting the same old am the game uhhh promo harleyyy raceeee uhhh flaire uhh student of putting the fans to sleep more like it. 4/10 wont live long enough to make enough of a change in the E, so there is always the chance Jericho could return but while 4/10 is there, offcourse his ego would never allow it, he buried Jericho at every chance he got and stole his push in the early 2000ís, he simply couldnít bare that he could never be as over as Jericho

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    Tony Khan is the common factor in all these guys performing at their worst

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Logan Paul might be hated by people for his social media stuff and boxing stuff etc but the guy has visibly put enormous effort to train as a wrestler and his fluidity in the ring showed that. He has my respect. The frog splash was pitch perfect and he did it better than many cheap imitations that a lot of wrestlers do these days. Before Mania he said that he doesn't need to train to work as a wrestler, I think that was simply something he said in character. I see no reason why he can't become a proper wrestler now.

    McAfee is brilliant tbh. He has so much potential in the ring that this match looked that it underdelivered. I won't say Corbin carried him here. Pat has shown time after time that he can work a match by himself. He does a lot of spots though, something he will need to trim down if he starts wrestling more often.

    His match with Theory and all that segment tbh was sports entertainment at its best. The entrances, the match, the atmosphere, the shenanigans, Austin's return etc. Don't think Pat can top that.

    Regarding Edge, there really is not explanation as to why he was so friendly towards Mysterios all of a sudden and why is he a face now. He was cursing the crowd in the same segment he was kicked out of judgement day. Like getting beaten up made him realize he loves fans again. lol
    Logan Paul and Bad Bunny are everything wrong with pro wrestling today, they are evidence of everything wrong with pro wrestling, he would be perfect in AEW itís the sort of style hipster smarks ejaculate over, high spot after high spot, it is just evidence that in todays world to be over as a worker you just need to be a good athlete and have some nice high spots in your bag, it is so easy to monkey around so I disagree massively on that one. I am shocked really that even enthusiasts are starting to mark out for these guys, donít fall for it, they are not remotely as good as folk would have you believe, after 2 matches, jesus christ he must be the new Kurt Angle and Lesnar combined in one. The fact that he even got the rub over a vet is a spit in the face of those who can actually work and is an insult, it makes raslin even more fake and I know kayfabe is dead but 4/10 took the pee wee there
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Yeah I can definitely appreciate them for putting Hook over clean the way that they did. Upon reflection, Hobbs turning heel was probably the best way to give Starks an out. Now I guess we are going to witness the implosion of Team Taz, which frankly was one of the better factions in AEW from the very start. All good things must come to an end though I guess.

    His promo this week and the one he did before that three way tag were outstanding babyface promos. I liked the previous one even more because at one point he was going all Ric Flair taking his clothes off lol but it was matched well by the intensity with which he delivered the promo. And yeah, there's definitely much more to be explored for him as a heel. But right now, the time seems right for a face turn. There's no denying though that he is one of the absolute top future prospects in wrestling today. For me, its MJF...daylight...Wardlow, Starks...daylight and then I'd say there's a few guys like Powerhouse Hobbs, Darby, Bron Breakker.

    Yeah I concur on the SS main-event. They needed to give us something different from what we've already seen from this feud. And by gawd they did. It was a very fun match. An all-out brawl, which is exactly what it should have been. And I think above all, it felt like a main-event. Which is not something I could say for the Mania main-event
    I would never put Wardlow on a level playing field as Starks at all in terms of potential, Wardlow got the backing of creative while Starks not as much but in terms of talent there isnít a comparison, Starks is vastly more gifted as an all round performer.

    In recent years the best new folk Iíve seen gain prominence in the ring/mic or with their potential would be:

    MJF
    Starks
    Velveteen Dream (sad what happened)
    Ciampa
    Cole (Again RIP after becoming at the mercy of Tony Khan)

    Then Iíd consider looking at someone like a Wardlow, I may potentially put him in the same bracket as Theory but his ceiling is much higher

    Yeah the SS main event had AE era vibes to it

    Glad to see the return of Iyo Shirai

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    Tony Khan thinks he is Vince and Bill Watts combined in one when he is more like Vince Russo and Eric Bischoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Bit harsh on Jericho, I know some spite him because he left the E but he will always be a legend. This guy has consistently delivered at a high level for so long and his first run as AEW champion was brilliant. This is the first time since maybe 2005 where his career is at a low point but he should still be given some leeway because he has earned that at the very least, he can afford to have a bad phase. Unlike Hunter’s entire career, 4/10 after 4/10 doing the abdominal stretch, doing a bhangra with the Indians and cutting the same old am the game uhhh promo harleyyy raceeee uhhh flaire uhh student of putting the fans to sleep more like it. 4/10 wont live long enough to make enough of a change in the E, so there is always the chance Jericho could return but while 4/10 is there, offcourse his ego would never allow it, he buried Jericho at every chance he got and stole his push in the early 2000’s, he simply couldn’t bare that he could never be as over as Jericho
    I don't like Trips either. Both Y2J and him have a lot of personal fallacies. And pretty sure they still hate each other.

    But the thing is Jericho has run out of steam in AEW since losing the title. He literally doesn't do anything now. Although the MJF storyline was good, it was way overstretched. He's just not the same guy he was 5-6 years ago. He used to be one of the most likeable people in the business, now all he does is throw vitriol at others. Doesn't take criticism that he is not good enough in the ring or in shape anymore.

    I said it last year that Jericho has nothing left to do in AEW anymore and should go back to WWE where he could be utilized much better as a part timer. But he has instead chosen to wrestle week in week out with his body of work deteriorating. He is still amongst the best promos in the world though. Like for example, jericho criticized balor and kyle o reilly last year after their match saying all they do is injure each other and how guys in aew are better. But now Kyle is in AEW. The jericho of old would never throw a shade at his colleagues in that manner. Like he even praised Fandango in the past.

    For Trips, I think he has vastly improved his image amongst the core audience since starting NXT. He may or may not have improved as a human being but his PR has become a lot better in recent years though. The stuff he did in the heyday is absolutely shambolic though with someone as nice as Dwayne who's never spoken a bad word about any colleague in public hinted at the backstage politicking trips did against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Logan Paul and Bad Bunny are everything wrong with pro wrestling today, they are evidence of everything wrong with pro wrestling, he would be perfect in AEW it’s the sort of style hipster smarks ejaculate over, high spot after high spot, it is just evidence that in todays world to be over as a worker you just need to be a good athlete and have some nice high spots in your bag, it is so easy to monkey around so I disagree massively on that one. I am shocked really that even enthusiasts are starting to mark out for these guys, don’t fall for it, they are not remotely as good as folk would have you believe, after 2 matches, jesus christ he must be the new Kurt Angle and Lesnar combined in one. The fact that he even got the rub over a vet is a spit in the face of those who can actually work and is an insult, it makes raslin even more fake and I know kayfabe is dead but 4/10 took the pee wee there
    Don't know about Bad Bunny but Logan actually did show some good ring psychology in the match. It wasn't a spot fest. The original sequence of first Miz schooling him and then Logan doing one better was actually pretty good. No one's saying he is going to have bangers like Kurt did back in the day. It's quite obvious he's been training well for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I would never put Wardlow on a level playing field as Starks at all in terms of potential, Wardlow got the backing of creative while Starks not as much but in terms of talent there isn’t a comparison, Starks is vastly more gifted as an all round performer.

    In recent years the best new folk I’ve seen gain prominence in the ring/mic or with their potential would be:

    MJF
    Starks
    Velveteen Dream (sad what happened)
    Ciampa
    Cole (Again RIP after becoming at the mercy of Tony Khan)

    Then I’d consider looking at someone like a Wardlow, I may potentially put him in the same bracket as Theory but his ceiling is much higher

    Yeah the SS main event had AE era vibes to it

    Glad to see the return of Iyo Shirai
    I think Ciampa and Gargano shouldn't be considered among the new crop. They are just guys with over a decade of experience who just got some time in the limelight and made sure they made all the audience know how good they are.

    Velveteen was brilliant. His personal choices turned out to be career killer for him.

    I'd have Pete Dunne in there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Don't know about Bad Bunny but Logan actually did show some good ring psychology in the match. It wasn't a spot fest. The original sequence of first Miz schooling him and then Logan doing one better was actually pretty good. No one's saying he is going to have bangers like Kurt did back in the day. It's quite obvious he's been training well for a while now.
    I mentioned Kurt Angle not due to his career because of how fast he took to the pro wrestling world, he was among a very small group of wrestlers who understood the psychology and developed his ring IQ pretty quickly, Austin has gone on record to say he hasnít seen anyone adapt so fast, with Logan getting all these plaudits then he must be up there with Angle when we look at the speed at which he learned the ropesÖ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    I think Ciampa and Gargano shouldn't be considered among the new crop. They are just guys with over a decade of experience who just got some time in the limelight and made sure they made all the audience know how good they are.

    Velveteen was brilliant. His personal choices turned out to be career killer for him.

    I'd have Pete Dunne in there as well.
    Thatís why I said also those who gained prominence, they had their run before NXT but came into the lime light more in recent years, yeah Pete and canít forget Tyler Bate or Walter as well during that time

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I mentioned Kurt Angle not due to his career because of how fast he took to the pro wrestling world, he was among a very small group of wrestlers who understood the psychology and developed his ring IQ pretty quickly, Austin has gone on record to say he hasn’t seen anyone adapt so fast, with Logan getting all these plaudits then he must be up there with Angle when we look at the speed at which he learned the ropes….
    No No. The thing is Kurt was an athlete (a very good one as well, an olympian) who took up pro wrestling. Logan Paul is a celebrity. The guy has no experience in any sort of sports. Maybe he should be compared to someone like David Arquette or Stephen Amell. Like it's so relative. He had no business having a good smooth wrestling match in his second outing.

    Like Kurt should be compared to maybe someone like Ken Shamrock who had an extensive background in MMA. Even there, Kurt stomps everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    That’s why I said also those who gained prominence, they had their run before NXT but came into the lime light more in recent years, yeah Pete and can’t forget Tyler Bate or Walter as well during that time
    Among the new crop, I see a bright future for MJF and Starks. Tyler Bate, I honestly want him to do well as he is exceptional in the ring but suffers from lack of mic skills and a character that would appeal to the NA audience. I think Carmelo Hayes will have some success as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    No No. The thing is Kurt was an athlete (a very good one as well, an olympian) who took up pro wrestling. Logan Paul is a celebrity. The guy has no experience in any sort of sports. Maybe he should be compared to someone like David Arquette or Stephen Amell. Like it's so relative. He had no business having a good smooth wrestling match in his second outing.

    Like Kurt should be compared to maybe someone like Ken Shamrock who had an extensive background in MMA. Even there, Kurt stomps everyone else.
    Am all for celeb involvement when the rest of the card is not being buried and every wrestler on it.

    How can any PPV paying customer be happy with that trash. Everything he did was so poorly executed, the technique was horrendous and he had nil ring IQ, the Mizz carried him.

    I know the Paulís have widely been suspected of swinging the other day but just think how some random bum who likes to wear pikachu cards around his neck, didnít just go 50/50 with a vet, he beat him. Itís not just a burial of the Mizz who I know 4/10 always disliked (shook his hand after he won the title only when he knew the camera was rolling), but the entire industry as a whole, not even Bron Breaker got such a chance on a big 4 PPV yet and his dad is Big Poppa Pump. He should never have been booked.

    What happened to our standards, this era is a joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Am all for celeb involvement when the rest of the card is not being buried and every wrestler on it.

    How can any PPV paying customer be happy with that trash. Everything he did was so poorly executed, the technique was horrendous and he had nil ring IQ, the Mizz carried him.

    I know the Paul’s have widely been suspected of swinging the other day but just think how some random bum who likes to wear pikachu cards around his neck, didn’t just go 50/50 with a vet, he beat him. It’s not just a burial of the Mizz who I know 4/10 always disliked (shook his hand after he won the title only when he knew the camera was rolling), but the entire industry as a whole, not even Bron Breaker got such a chance on a big 4 PPV yet and his dad is Big Poppa Pump. He should never have been booked.

    What happened to our standards, this era is a joke
    Well Vince believed a mainstream celebrity brings more viewers to the card. I definitely agree they shouldn't be put before the regular roster but the card had already been finalized before Vince stepped aside and Paul's contract probably gives him a lot of power etc in his storylines and stuff. So that's the reason why. That's the fault of the ones who signed him with a contract like that.

    Bron's time will come. Although don't know if Hunter rates him as highly as Vince did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Logan Paul and Bad Bunny are everything wrong with pro wrestling today, they are evidence of everything wrong with pro wrestling, he would be perfect in AEW itís the sort of style hipster smarks ejaculate over, high spot after high spot, it is just evidence that in todays world to be over as a worker you just need to be a good athlete and have some nice high spots in your bag, it is so easy to monkey around so I disagree massively on that one. I am shocked really that even enthusiasts are starting to mark out for these guys, donít fall for it, they are not remotely as good as folk would have you believe, after 2 matches, jesus christ he must be the new Kurt Angle and Lesnar combined in one. The fact that he even got the rub over a vet is a spit in the face of those who can actually work and is an insult, it makes raslin even more fake and I know kayfabe is dead but 4/10 took the pee wee there
    I agree with you re: Bad Bunny and Logan Paul. There's no denying that this kind of stuff makes the business looks bad. And there's also no denying that was a very well-rehearsed match. Doing this week in and week out is not something that a hip-hop rapper, YouTube star or ex-NFL football player can just walk off the street and do. There's a reason it takes people years and years of training to even be passable at it.

    That said though, as a one shot celeb singles match, this was a pretty outstanding effort imo. And I don't know him, care about him or care about this feud. But it wasn't just the high-spots...his timing was impeccable. His selling was way better of some of the guys on WWE and AEW's rosters. And he also seemed to take a moment to let things settle in and let the crowd react before he did more stuff. It wasn't just an endless barrage of high-spots that the spot monkeys these days are known for doing. Even his frog splash was almost picture perfect. I think the lad deserves credit for pulling it all off so well and I think the crowd acknowledged it as well which was the last thing I expected considering he was booed heavily throughout this feud, right up till the midpoint of of the match. And as much as I hate to say it, The Miz was not bad either here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Logan Paul might be hated by people for his social media stuff and boxing stuff etc but the guy has visibly put enormous effort to train as a wrestler and his fluidity in the ring showed that. He has my respect. The frog splash was pitch perfect and he did it better than many cheap imitations that a lot of wrestlers do these days. Before Mania he said that he doesn't need to train to work as a wrestler, I think that was simply something he said in character. I see no reason why he can't become a proper wrestler now.

    McAfee is brilliant tbh. He has so much potential in the ring that this match looked that it underdelivered. I won't say Corbin carried him here. Pat has shown time after time that he can work a match by himself. He does a lot of spots though, something he will need to trim down if he starts wrestling more often.

    His match with Theory and all that segment tbh was sports entertainment at its best. The entrances, the match, the atmosphere, the shenanigans, Austin's return etc. Don't think Pat can top that.

    Regarding Edge, there really is not explanation as to why he was so friendly towards Mysterios all of a sudden and why is he a face now. He was cursing the crowd in the same segment he was kicked out of judgement day. Like getting beaten up made him realize he loves fans again. lol
    I wouldn't say that. At the end of the day it was a very well-rehearsed match. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But doing this week in and week out is not something you can just learn with a couple of months of training.

    That's always going to be the deal with non-wrestlers though. People who are not properly trained to do this can only do it to a certain point before the wheels start coming off, which is what seemed to be happening here. Which I guess is also why its always best to keep these things down to one match. But because they've done such an awful job of creating stars they now have to rely on ex-football players and YouTube stars to draw money for them.

    I didn't mind that all that much. They smashed his head with a chair so now he's coming back for revenge. It's the automatic babyface turn. He doesn't have to play to the fans to be liked by them because they empathize with his cause/situation. My issue had more to do with what I felt was bad booking. On top of that, it took Edge an eternity to get to the ring since they were in a stadium. All of this gaga would have been better suited at the end of the match. Not to mention, the crowd was completely dead for this match...which didn't help either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    I would never put Wardlow on a level playing field as Starks at all in terms of potential, Wardlow got the backing of creative while Starks not as much but in terms of talent there isn’t a comparison, Starks is vastly more gifted as an all round performer.

    In recent years the best new folk I’ve seen gain prominence in the ring/mic or with their potential would be:

    MJF
    Starks
    Velveteen Dream (sad what happened)
    Ciampa
    Cole (Again RIP after becoming at the mercy of Tony Khan)

    Then I’d consider looking at someone like a Wardlow, I may potentially put him in the same bracket as Theory but his ceiling is much higher

    Yeah the SS main event had AE era vibes to it

    Glad to see the return of Iyo Shirai
    There's no denying that Starks is vastly more talented than Wardlow. No question about it. But the thing about Wardlow is that he is not only liked by the hardcore AEW fanbase, but he can also have massive mainstream appeal. He could literally walk into any company in the world and get over just by doing his bare minimum.

    Theory has the potential to be a good worker but I don't feel he is as advanced as Wardlow. He has many holes in his game. His punches are just not good and he does not seem to know how to get the heat on his opponents. I love the rolling drop-kick and his selling is good for someone of his age. But he is nowhere near ready to be anywhere near the main-event.

    Oof amazing to think how far Cole has fallen since he was on NXT. He used to be a top-guy who was excellent on the mic and excellent in the ring. And ever since getting to AEW he has looked like a shadow of his former self in every single way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Tony is a ****** and won't be able to tell him i dont need you anymore.

    Y2J is still amongst the ATGs of pro wrestling but this AEW run has been really awful to say the least. Especially since losing the AEW title.

    He should go part time where he can be revered as a special attraction. It would work well in WWE still as he still has massive following and would only need to do that list gimmick to get over with the WWE audience. It's just that he has gone loco like Eddie used to say.

    Regarding Cody, I think he himself was perfectly aware he was not getting the desired reactions. I think Cody knew himself that he shouldn't be winning all his feuds especially against the newcomers. But I think ever since the big signings of Punk, Bryan etc came up, his relation with Tony would have started to sour and Tony being a mark, decided to book him like that to force him to turn heel. But Cody refused and took the move that Tony and co thought was impossible that he decided to leave for WWE.

    I also heard he was the only one who used to attend all the meetings as an EVP when they still had some power while Bucks and Omega weren't as regular as him. It appears that Cody acting like a good employee led to deterioration of his relations with the elite and the management and Tony probs took his grudge out that way.
    I think Cody wanted Punk money. And there's no way he was getting that. Nor should he have. The only two people in that company who have the right to ask for Punk money are Danielson and MJF. Nobody is as irreplicable and integral to AEW right now as Punk, Bryan and MJF.

    Tbh I don't think Tony can be blamed for Cody's booking. Cody, Omega, Jericho and Bucks have largely been booking their own angles and segments with Tony having the final say. Fact is fans turned on Cody because he was doing awful segments where he was trying to be something he was not and the fans saw right through it. After a certain point it just became laughably bad. Because it wasn't just Cody, it was his untalented wife (who has become a meme online at this point) and the entire Cody entourage that would come out for these long, boring segments that went absolutely nowhere. The highlight was ofcourse that utterly tone-deaf "I'm going to have an interracial baby" promo but there were a number of other ones too.

    And once the fans turned on him, then he went into full-on desperation mode. Rather than just turning heel---which was the right thing to do at that point---he instead went for: lighting himself on fire, taking crazy bumps and cutting smark promos. It was like he was trying to do all he could to be liked by the fans. And they hated him even more for that.

    At the end of the day, it just probably wasn't a good fit. And right now, he is exactly where he should be. Because I've heard him say for years that his ultimate dream was to become WWE Champion. Ofcourse that's not to say that Cody didn't contribute heavily to AEW's birth and success. From All In to that match with Dustin on the first AEW PPV and numerous other memorable matches and moments...not to mention, he is the one who brought in guys like Eddie Kingston, Ricky Starks, Powerhouse Hobbs, Darby Allin and above all, MJF. Unlike the Bucks and Omega his entire focus wasn't to get his friends jobs even if they were (to borrow Cornette's line) untrained, outlaw, indie talent. So his contribution in regards to just bringing talent in is absolutely massive and something AEW will always be indebted to him for.

    But he is someone who definitely belongs in WWE. And someone who can be one of their biggest stars if they manage to not screw him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Hook has a great look. He seems to be a wrestler who would be extremely popular among the younger fans.

    What are they really doing with MJF. His pipebomb seems like a lifetime ago.

    Regarding Darby, he seriously needs to change his attire, he looks like a teenage goth girl with denim shorts over tights. Then, there's a lot wrong with his reckless style as well but I doubt he would be willing to listen to anyone regarding that.
    I don't mind Darby's look. Wasn't a fan initially but got used to it eventually. At the end of the day that's who he is dialed up to an 11. And I can respect that.

    I want to believe that they have something mind-blowing planned with MJF. Ofcourse there's no guarantee that, that will actually be the case. But still, I want to believe that they actually know what they are doing with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I wouldn't say that. At the end of the day it was a very well-rehearsed match. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But doing this week in and week out is not something you can just learn with a couple of months of training.

    That's always going to be the deal with non-wrestlers though. People who are not properly trained to do this can only do it to a certain point before the wheels start coming off, which is what seemed to be happening here. Which I guess is also why its always best to keep these things down to one match. But because they've done such an awful job of creating stars they now have to rely on ex-football players and YouTube stars to draw money for them.

    I didn't mind that all that much. They smashed his head with a chair so now he's coming back for revenge. It's the automatic babyface turn. He doesn't have to play to the fans to be liked by them because they empathize with his cause/situation. My issue had more to do with what I felt was bad booking. On top of that, it took Edge an eternity to get to the ring since they were in a stadium. All of this gaga would have been better suited at the end of the match. Not to mention, the crowd was completely dead for this match...which didn't help either.
    Well they smashed his head, fine, he should come out for revenge on them. But why was acting so friendly all of a sudden with the Mysterios? I found that spot where he set up Balor for the 619 pretty nonsensical.

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    @RedwoodOriginal @shaz619 No activity on this thread for a while.

    What do you guys think of the inevitable new signings? I didn't personally liked Karrion Kross' return. Like he can't hang in with either Roman or Drew either in the ring or on mic. Don't know why Hunter rates him so highly.

    If reports are to be believed, Bray's name is being discussed as well. (Another one I am not a big fan of)

    Although I loved the little push Ciampa seems to be getting (he's one of trips favorites)

    Hearing Gargano is also going to be brought back (Although I suspect Tony may have already signed him and keeping him for All Out or some surprise like with Cesaro)

    The triple threat Ali vs Aj vs Miz was very refreshing for a change and felt like a good amalgam of black and gold style main roster talent.

    One good thing that might not be getting some notice is Drew has stopped wearing that Scottish dress and has been cutting promos in casual like early 2020.

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    Gotta say man, WWE does feel different in the Triple H era. Someone like Tomasso Ciampa is getting a push after being treated like a no-name schlub for the past three months. On RAW, we are seeing fresh match-ups we haven't see a million times before, that are actually good too because they don't end in 5 minutes because of a count-out or a DQ. Karrion Kross is back without the S&M ring gear in a seemingly main-event position. And rumors are floating around that Gargano could be back soon too, while Dominik Dijakovic is in-line for a potential push.

    And if that's not enough Omos and Veer Mahaan have been relegated to Main-Event. Even Michael Cole has started sounding like an actual human being ever since SummerSlam, and not a robot programmed to say company mandated buzz-words.

    WWE programming feels more fresh and interesting than it has in ages. And even though he said he did not want to create another NXT, it seems alot like Triple H is elevating alot of the guys he pushed on NXT. That didn't exactly meet Vince's description of a top guy. Not that there is anything wrong with that. If anything, its a welcome change after seeing the same being rotated in the same positions.

    Quite interested to see what Triple H's WWE looks like in the upcoming couple of months. I would think that a number of guys should be key beneficiaries of this change. Including guys like KO, Sami Zayn, WALTER, Ricochet, Balor, Priest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    @RedwoodOriginal @shaz619 No activity on this thread for a while.

    What do you guys think of the inevitable new signings? I didn't personally liked Karrion Kross' return. Like he can't hang in with either Roman or Drew either in the ring or on mic. Don't know why Hunter rates him so highly.

    If reports are to be believed, Bray's name is being discussed as well. (Another one I am not a big fan of)

    Although I loved the little push Ciampa seems to be getting (he's one of trips favorites)

    Hearing Gargano is also going to be brought back (Although I suspect Tony may have already signed him and keeping him for All Out or some surprise like with Cesaro)

    The triple threat Ali vs Aj vs Miz was very refreshing for a change and felt like a good amalgam of black and gold style main roster talent.

    One good thing that might not be getting some notice is Drew has stopped wearing that Scottish dress and has been cutting promos in casual like early 2020.
    You beat me to the punch haha. I was in the middle of writing a post on this exact same topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    @RedwoodOriginal @shaz619 No activity on this thread for a while.

    What do you guys think of the inevitable new signings? I didn't personally liked Karrion Kross' return. Like he can't hang in with either Roman or Drew either in the ring or on mic. Don't know why Hunter rates him so highly.

    If reports are to be believed, Bray's name is being discussed as well. (Another one I am not a big fan of)

    Although I loved the little push Ciampa seems to be getting (he's one of trips favorites)

    Hearing Gargano is also going to be brought back (Although I suspect Tony may have already signed him and keeping him for All Out or some surprise like with Cesaro)

    The triple threat Ali vs Aj vs Miz was very refreshing for a change and felt like a good amalgam of black and gold style main roster talent.

    One good thing that might not be getting some notice is Drew has stopped wearing that Scottish dress and has been cutting promos in casual like early 2020.
    I've seen a fair bit of Karrion Kross, and while I agree with you that he is no technical wizard in the ring, nor someone who is going to be lighting the world on fire with his promos, he seems to have alot of the stuff down that you need to be successful in that main-event spot. He has the look, he's credible on the mic, the gimmick and the catchphrase work and the presentation and entrance make him feel like a big deal. Not to mention, he has his gorgeous wife by his side as his valet who adds alot to his presentation. I see him as a highly marketable main-event level guy with the right push and full support of the WWE machinery.

    Really? You're not a fan of Bray? I mean I'm not surprised considering how he was booked during most of his WWE run or that preposterous feud with Randy Orton and Alexa Bliss that he was involved in before getting released, but personally I'm a big fan and a massive mark for his 'The Fiend' gimmick. For me, a guy of his creativity should be working for a major wrestling company (whether its AEW or WWE) so this news excites me considerably. He is also someone who should be given more of a creative license to do his thing, which he was not given during much of his post 2019 run...something that people have said made him very frustrated with the company. I mean the 2019 Hell in A Cell fiasco orchestrated by Vince is still fresh in everyone's memory. As are the memories of him being squashed by Goldberg, being burned alive by Orton and then being beaten like a chump in his last match.

    Oh god. I hope Tony doesn't sign Johnny Gargano. AEW does not need another small underdog babyface wrestler like Gargano. Not only do they already have Darby, Jungle Boy, Yuta but their roster is stacked as it is. And eventhough I am not really a fan of Johnny Wrestling it seems obvious to me that he will have a much better shot of being successful under HHH then he will under Tony.

    I'm assuming Ciampa will get a push and be established as an upper midcard guy going forward. This whole episode felt like a concentrated effort to establish him in the eyes of the fans in a major way. And a win over AJ Styles is something major.

    Yeah I did notice that. He looks so much better with that look. Hopefully he can drop that stupid sword too.
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    @shaz619 @BunnyRabbit A really funny thing happened in the last few days that you guys may have missed out on.

    Our friendly neighborhood AEW shill Dave Meltzer was on Twitter running his mouth about what a joke the idea was that The Young Bucks were actively burying FTR. And how deluded the people who were saying this were. He was essentially quoting a tweet by some girl on Twitter who I guess is a Young Bucks fan. He couldn't even fathom the idea that two guys who have the reputation of being unprofessional, and have had issues with numerous individuals and organizations in the wrestling business, could bury FTR. Our good friend Dave even called such people Alex Jones types.

    Well, not long after Dax Harwood replied to Dave on Twitter and told him to f**k off (lmao) and essentially told him to run his mouth when he knew both sides of the story instead of just one. I literally busted out laughing when I saw Dax's tweet. It was so hilarious because it one tweet he not only burned Dave but also launched a violent assault on his credibility as a so-called journalist.

    https://wrestletalk.com/news/dax-har...ff-on-twitter/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    @shaz619 @BunnyRabbit A really funny thing happened in the last few days that you guys may have missed out on.

    Our friendly neighborhood AEW shill Dave Meltzer was on Twitter running his mouth about what a joke the idea was that The Young Bucks were actively burying FTR. And how deluded the people who were saying this were. He was essentially quoting a tweet by some girl on Twitter who I guess is a Young Bucks fan. He couldn't even fathom the idea that two guys who have the reputation of being unprofessional, and have had issues with numerous individuals and organizations in the wrestling business, could bury FTR. Our good friend Dave even called such people Alex Jones types.

    Well, not long after Dax Harwood replied to Dave on Twitter and told him to f**k off (lmao) and essentially told him to run his mouth when he knew both sides of the story instead of just one. I literally busted out laughing when I saw Dax's tweet. It was so hilarious because it one tweet he not only burned Dave but also launched a violent assault on his credibility as a so-called journalist.

    https://wrestletalk.com/news/dax-har...ff-on-twitter/
    Dave is at that point in his career where his reputation is no more than a dirtsheet reporter rather than a journalist. And he brought it upon himself. Ever since All In, he's become a little fan girl. He admitted to crying after watching Cody vs Dustin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    I've seen a fair bit of Karrion Kross, and while I agree with you that he is no technical wizard in the ring, nor someone who is going to be lighting the world on fire with his promos, he seems to have alot of the stuff down that you need to be successful in that main-event spot. He has the look, he's credible on the mic, the gimmick and the catchphrase work and the presentation and entrance make him feel like a big deal. Not to mention, he has his gorgeous wife by his side as his valet who adds alot to his presentation. I see him as a highly marketable main-event level guy with the right push and full support of the WWE machinery.

    Really? You're not a fan of Bray? I mean I'm not surprised considering how he was booked during most of his WWE run or that preposterous feud with Randy Orton and Alexa Bliss that he was involved in before getting released, but personally I'm a big fan and a massive mark for his 'The Fiend' gimmick. For me, a guy of his creativity should be working for a major wrestling company (whether its AEW or WWE) so this news excites me considerably. He is also someone who should be given more of a creative license to do his thing, which he was not given during much of his post 2019 run...something that people have said made him very frustrated with the company. I mean the 2019 Hell in A Cell fiasco orchestrated by Vince is still fresh in everyone's memory. As are the memories of him being squashed by Goldberg, being burned alive by Orton and then being beaten like a chump in his last match.

    Oh god. I hope Tony doesn't sign Johnny Gargano. AEW does not need another small underdog babyface wrestler like Gargano. Not only do they already have Darby, Jungle Boy, Yuta but their roster is stacked as it is. And eventhough I am not really a fan of Johnny Wrestling it seems obvious to me that he will have a much better shot of being successful under HHH then he will under Tony.

    I'm assuming Ciampa will get a push and be established as an upper midcard guy going forward. This whole episode felt like a concentrated effort to establish him in the eyes of the fans in a major way. And a win over AJ Styles is something major.

    Yeah I did notice that. He looks so much better with that look. Hopefully he can drop that stupid sword too.
    Yes Karrion is a marketable guy and can be a big merch seller. I guess that's why Trips loves him. But I find it hard to see him as someone alongside the ranks of Roman, Seth or Drew. Like even on NXT, him beating everyone didn't sit right with me. Although I think the guy himself is a great and nice dude. Not a big fan of Scarlett, she looks way too similar to Eva Green (someone I don't like :p ) But I think Scarlett is a pretty good in ring worker something that's never mentioned.

    Nah. I like Windham Rotunda and his creative mind and the gimmicks he comes up with and stuff, but he has never had a match I would remember for being a modern classic. Like even before The Fiend, he had a series of matches against Seth and Finn(two very good workers) but he never had a great match. IMO the best match he had was against Roman in 2015 (HIAC)

    Ciampa is awesome. I would love a Randy-Ciampa feud.

    Plus Ricochet is definitely getting a push now. Heard Trips went out of his way back in 2018 to sign him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal View Post
    Gotta say man, WWE does feel different in the Triple H era. Someone like Tomasso Ciampa is getting a push after being treated like a no-name schlub for the past three months. On RAW, we are seeing fresh match-ups we haven't see a million times before, that are actually good too because they don't end in 5 minutes because of a count-out or a DQ. Karrion Kross is back without the S&M ring gear in a seemingly main-event position. And rumors are floating around that Gargano could be back soon too, while Dominik Dijakovic is in-line for a potential push.

    And if that's not enough Omos and Veer Mahaan have been relegated to Main-Event. Even Michael Cole has started sounding like an actual human being ever since SummerSlam, and not a robot programmed to say company mandated buzz-words.

    WWE programming feels more fresh and interesting than it has in ages. And even though he said he did not want to create another NXT, it seems alot like Triple H is elevating alot of the guys he pushed on NXT. That didn't exactly meet Vince's description of a top guy. Not that there is anything wrong with that. If anything, its a welcome change after seeing the same being rotated in the same positions.

    Quite interested to see what Triple H's WWE looks like in the upcoming couple of months. I would think that a number of guys should be key beneficiaries of this change. Including guys like KO, Sami Zayn, WALTER, Ricochet, Balor, Priest.
    Actually it's great that Omos, Veer etc are going to get relegated.

    Dijak is very good IMO. Probably as good as Keith Lee but doesn't get the credit cause he isn't as big.

    Hopefully Finn will get better storylines as well as he's been the guy that put NXT on the scene as a box office.

    If Trips can do 70% of what NXT was back in 2017-19, WWE will be extremely fun to watch. There will definitely be constraints from the big executives as they would want more marketable guys on the top.

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