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    Thanks for exposing his atg credentials. He must be the biggest home track bully the world has ever seen

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    He must be pakistan version of thilan samaraweera by the look of it

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    Imran against India in Pakistan:
    - With Pakistani umpires -- played 9, won 5
    - With neutral umpires - played 4, won 0

    Imran against India in India
    - With Indian umpires -- played 10, won 1, lost 2

    Yep, did a very fine job of dispelling suspicions about Pakistan's home umpiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    2 double centuries away are hardly exceptional.

    What is exceptional is: Home 78.14; Away 37.96

    And Home (pre-neutral) 78.14 and Home (post-neutral) 39.90!!!!
    Neutral umpires were introduced in test cricket in 1989-90 (thanks to Imran Khan) and Miandad did not play many tests post 1990 plus those were not his peak years of batting

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZulfi View Post
    Neutral umpires were introduced in test cricket in 1989-90 (thanks to Imran Khan) and Miandad did not play many tests post 1990 plus those were not his peak years of batting
    You need to check your dates:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/511175.html

    Post Nov 1986, Miandad played 23 matches at home, and 26 matches abroad, that is 40% of the total matches he played over his career. Also his batting abroad actually improved after neutral umpires were introduced, while his batting at home declined precipitously.

    Some people are born great, some become great, and some have greatness thrust upon them by home umpires
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You need to check your dates:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/511175.html

    Post Nov 1986, Miandad played 23 matches at home, and 26 matches abroad, that is 40% of the total matches he played over his career. Also his batting abroad actually improved after neutral umpires were introduced, while his batting at home declined precipitously.

    Some people are born great, some become great, and some have greatness thrust upon them by home umpires
    @Tusker
    Another fun fact is that VK Ramaswamy one of the Indian umpires chosen by Imran was the same umpire that gave the in-form Ganguly out wrongly (Caught one bounce) in the 99 Chennai Test without referring it to the 3r umpire. Given how close the match was it proved to be decisive.

    Link : https://youtu.be/OLt6xK_LSrA?t=5m10s


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    Fair to say pretty much everyone benefited from home umps back in the day. LBWs are not the only way of getting out/getting a wicket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    Fair to say pretty much everyone benefited from home umps back in the day. LBWs are not the only way of getting out/getting a wicket.
    That's just a politically correct false equivalence weasel and also simply untrue:

    Gavaskar: Home 49.09; Away 52.11

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/guru?p...ields=viewtype

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/guru?b...ields=viewtype

    Miandad: Home 78.14; Away 37.96

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/guru?r...ields=viewtype

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/guru?b...ields=viewtype

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    Is that somehow supposed to show the level of home umpire bias?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    Is that somehow supposed to show the level of home umpire bias?
    Besides showing the benefit Miandad received from Pakistani umpires, it is also supposed to show that "pretty much everyone benefited from home umps back in the day" is a weasely untruth.

    The volume of complaints about Pakistani umpiring from Indian, Australian and English players from that era is staggering.
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    But the point I'm trying to make is that Miandad is not the only one who might have benefited from home umpires. Not exactly fair to single just one batsman/bowler out is it when home umpire bias was an issue all around the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    But the point I'm trying to make is that Miandad is not the only one who might have benefited from home umpires. Not exactly fair to single just one batsman/bowler out is it when home umpire bias was an issue all around the world.
    You are given evidence but you just don't get it.

    Find me another batsman like Miandad whose home average before neutral umpires was twice as much as foreign average and I will buy your "Not exactly fair to single just one batsman/bowler out is it when home umpire bias was an issue all around the world".

    Alternatively find me another major batsman whose home average fell to half with the introduction of neutral umpires.

    "issue all around the world", really? Besides the numbers above, the complaints about Pakistani umpiring from Indian, Australian and English players from that era are nothing like those for other countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrolln View Post
    I think both Miandad and Gavaskar are slightly over-rated just because they played in the 70s/80's.

    The more i study their careers, the more i feel Inzamam was ahead of Miandad and Tendulkar was ahead of Gavaskar in tests.
    Thats a case for most players from 70s and 80s .
    I have seen videos of all these players , its a myth that they all had great technique .


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    It wasn't just Pakistani umpires that were biased. India had some of the most biased umpires (Saroop Kishen and Ramaswamy to name a few) in that era. So were Australian and English umpires apart from Dickie Bird. David Constant, Parmer Brothers and Merv Kitchen were as biased as they come.

    I know some Indians in their desperate attempt to make Sachin look better than Viv etc. deliberately try to downplay standard of cricket in the 70s and 80s But the truth is most of the rules in cricket post late 80s heavily favour the batsmen (apart from the LBW rule. now batsmen can be given out LBW on the front foot if not playing a shot). Look at bat sizes, ground sizes (shorter boundaries), restriction on the number of bouncers, better protective gear. decline in the quality of pace bowling and bowling all-rounders, greater use of technology etc in this era. In the 70s and 80s there were about 10-12 great fast bowlers playing together

    I would rather listen to Viv, Imran, Gavaskar, Boycott, Holding and Botham's (etc.) views on Miandad than armchair critics here with limited knowledge of the game. Viv once said about Miandad, "If I have to choose a batsman to bat for my life, it would be Miandad.” ...

    With selective use of stats, with a bit of trickery and exaggeration one can make any batsman look better or worse.

    I (born and raised in Isloo) would always rank Miandad ahead of Inzamam. Miandad had an aura and presence in the field which Inzamam never did. Miandad loved to get up the opposition's noses with both his batting and street smart cricketing skills (brilliant runner and fielder. able captain and shrewd deputy and tactican of the game). He was highly rated by all his peers (same cannot be said about Inzy). Inzamam was powerful but he was also lazy and a very poor runner between the wickets. He did not do justice to the talent he possessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Besides showing the benefit Miandad received from Pakistani umpires, it is also supposed to show that "pretty much everyone benefited from home umps back in the day" is a weasely untruth.

    The volume of complaints about Pakistani umpiring from Indian, Australian and English players from that era is staggering.
    So true! That is why Imran was left with no choice but to go for neutral umpires. This revisionist history that Imran out of the goodness of his heart asked for neutral umpires is nothing but revisionist.

    Teams were fed up with Pakistan. They were sick and tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZulfi View Post
    It wasn't just Pakistani umpires that were biased. India had some of the most biased umpires (Saroop Kishen and Ramaswamy to name a few) in that era. So were Australian and English umpires apart from Dickie Bird. David Constant, Parmer Brothers and Merv Kitchen were as biased as they come.

    I know some Indians in their desperate attempt to make Sachin look better than Viv etc. deliberately try to downplay standard of cricket in the 70s and 80s But the truth is most of the rules in cricket post late 80s heavily favour the batsmen (apart from the LBW rule. now batsmen can be given out LBW on the front foot if not playing a shot). Look at bat sizes, ground sizes (shorter boundaries), restriction on the number of bouncers, better protective gear. decline in the quality of pace bowling and bowling all-rounders, greater use of technology etc in this era. In the 70s and 80s there were about 10-12 great fast bowlers playing together

    I would rather listen to Viv, Imran, Gavaskar, Boycott, Holding and Botham's (etc.) views on Miandad than armchair critics here with limited knowledge of the game. Viv once said about Miandad, "If I have to choose a batsman to bat for my life, it would be Miandad.” ...

    With selective use of stats, with a bit of trickery and exaggeration one can make any batsman look better or worse.

    I (born and raised in Isloo) would always rank Miandad ahead of Inzamam. Miandad had an aura and presence in the field which Inzamam never did. Miandad loved to get up the opposition's noses with both his batting and street smart cricketing skills (brilliant runner and fielder. able captain and shrewd deputy and tactican of the game). He was highly rated by all his peers (same cannot be said about Inzy). Inzamam was powerful but he was also lazy and a very poor runner between the wickets. He did not do justice to the talent he possessed.
    Dont go by what people say go by facts. Away he had nothing to show for. Biased umps made him look far better than what he was.

    Umpiring was poor all around but in Pakistan they would not even call out no balls. Look at my post before about Sandhu interview.

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