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31st March 2016, 02:45 #81
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31st March 2016, 02:46 #82
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31st March 2016, 03:08 #85
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31st March 2016, 03:09 #86
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31st March 2016, 03:09 #87
Tests: Root
Limited Overs: Kohli
These two are the Tendulkar and Lara types of this generation. Smith is great too but he's more of a Steve Waugh, will spend most of his career in their shadow because he lacks the flair and appeal.Last edited by Mamoon; 31st March 2016 at 03:10.
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31st March 2016, 03:44 #89
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31st March 2016, 03:48 #90
Root or Smith
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31st March 2016, 03:48 #91
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31st March 2016, 03:51 #92
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31st March 2016, 03:52 #93
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31st March 2016, 04:04 #94
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For me, smith for tests. Kohli for ODI.
Joe root over smith in tests? Thats surprising. I guess root's t20 form has been in some people's mind.
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31st March 2016, 04:08 #96
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31st March 2016, 04:09 #97
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Tests- Smith>Root>Kohli
ODI- Kohli>Root/Smith
t20- Kohli>Root>Smith
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31st March 2016, 05:51 #98
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I think this texaco fellow needs medication more than anything else.....
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31st March 2016, 06:23 #99
On current form, tough decision between Root and Kohli
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31st March 2016, 06:31 #100
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31st March 2016, 06:34 #101
why can't cricket pundits adds mathews to this group and calls it fab5 instead of fab4 m Mathews is very underrated
jos butler a hockey player???
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31st March 2016, 06:47 #102
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31st March 2016, 07:03 #103
root has improved as limited overs batsman...and he always had the big shots...smith is not up there in odis...and kane will go down amla and dravid way...excellent record but no match winner...
so at the moment root...
but no doubt kohli will start belting hundreds in tests also...50+ avg very soon.
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31st March 2016, 11:03 #104
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31st March 2016, 11:10 #105
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Root still have do alot in tests
his avg in Aus is 27
his avg in NZ is 17
Yet to play in SL
Yes to Play full series in India
even though he did well in UAE but was unable to play any major role
Yes his away sample size is small but he has yet to proove himselfLast edited by Asim2Good; 31st March 2016 at 11:11.
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31st March 2016, 11:12 #107
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Hard not to say kohli after his heroics the other day but root has the better resume.
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31st March 2016, 11:27 #108
It's subjective obviously but the way I rank it at the moment is:
1. Kohli
2. Smith
3. de Villiers
4. Amla
5. Williamson
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31st March 2016, 11:35 #109
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Kane Williamson in Tests
Avg in Eng : 30
Avg in India : 36
Yet to Play more in SA in recent times , so far avg of 10 in 2 tests
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31st March 2016, 12:24 #110
Virat easily , hes way ahead in LOI's and will overate every one in Tests pretty soon
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31st March 2016, 12:29 #111
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Kohli is ten times better than root, Williamson and Smith. All of them will have to born again to become a a good as Kohli. King Kohli all the way.
Kohli
Light years
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few miles
Root, Smith, Williamson
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Kohli>Root>Smith in LOI and Smith>Root>Kohli in Tests.
Overall I will still take Kohli because I think he's on the brink of proving himself as the best in the world in Tests too
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31st March 2016, 15:21 #114
@Texaco.
Bad day for you again.
Don't worry, a couple of failures and you can spawn up again in this thread
And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....
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31st March 2016, 15:52 #115
Root in tests
Kohli in LOI's
up until now both are far ahead than the rest in respective formats.
Root is coming up in LOI and Kohli has given indications in Aus tour that he's capable of turning it on big time in tests as well.
Exciting times ahead.
Smith IMO is going through a peak and his technique will not let him sustain the kind of performance he's been putting up for long. He'll be a 40-45 avg player across formats.
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31st March 2016, 15:58 #117
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31st March 2016, 16:15 #118
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31st March 2016, 21:31 #120
The test for root is scoring away in India and Australia, smiths test is in England but that is far away so scoring in South Africa and when they play in India next year will help his cause. kohli will be playing Home series mostly in the near future so expecting him too improve his test record
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I like Will for his style & completeness. It's like Mark Waugh or Victor Trumper - rated among ATG for the style & grace.
At present all 4 are in great touch, but Will started 2/3 later as he is younger, while other 3 has gone into their peak. Once they finish their career, I think the order 'll be Root/Will, Virat, Smith.
Virat can break all sorts of LO record, because the game has gone into batting feast era; but he is 4th among these as Test batsman.
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1st April 2016, 01:02 #122
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1st April 2016, 01:03 #123
Root is better overall when you take all formats into consideration, excellent in every single format.
But would still rather have Kohli. Much better in LOI and feel like only a matter of time before he'll start matching the other two in tests too.
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21st April 2016, 13:51 #125
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Who do you take between Joe Root, Kane Williamson, Virat Kohli and Steven Smith?
Who wouldn’t want to have these players in their team? All four of these players are about the same age (25-27). You can’t pick one over the other due to the age factor, since they all should be able to play at a high level for at least another 10 years.
You can argue that Virat Kohli is probably the most popular among the list, whereas, Steven Smith appears to be slightly ahead of the pack in the test matches. You can probably also argue that Kane Williamson and Steven Smith are probably better leaders at this point. They all have various but differing qualities that make it difficult to predict who would go on to have a more successful career.
What would be the key point while making your final selection?
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21st April 2016, 13:54 #126
Kohli
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21st April 2016, 13:58 #127
Kohli - He will bring his good luck with him.
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21st April 2016, 14:18 #128
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Ab de Villiers and Virat Kohli- these two guys are versatile, charismatic, popular and has a huge fan base all over the world.
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21st April 2016, 14:19 #129
Joe root
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Current form it has to be between Kohli and Williamson. They are the most consistent player among the four. The separation is not by that much though.
Toss up. I did with heads Kohli and Tails KW. It came up with Heads.
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21st April 2016, 14:22 #132
Kohli over anybody tbh, maybe apart from AB.
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21st April 2016, 16:15 #134
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It is Williamson and not Root I said.
In ALL FORMAT:
Since 2013 he is averaging 54 in all format scored 15 centuries.
Since 2014 he is averaging 58 in all format scored 13 centuries.
Since 2015 he is averaging 57 in all format scored 08 centuries.
How is that about consistency? LINK for the last stats
In test,
Since 2013 he is averaging 59.
Since 2014 he is averaging 70.
Since 2015 he is averaging 77. ;)
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21st April 2016, 16:19 #135
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Root in all format
Since 2013 avg 48
Since 2014 avg 52
Since 2015 avg 52
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Root in Test
Since 2013 avg 54
Since 2014 avg 68
Since 2015 avg 59.7
He is very good. Envy Good. But the numbers are not as good as Williamson. Now if you bring in his bowling capabilities them Williamson steam rolls him with captaincy/leadership.
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@rhony
Root is not as consistent in recent times as Kane even in limited overs.
Root
Since 2013 ODIs avg 44.34 T20 39.6
Since 2014 ODIs avg 46.33 T20 33.5
Since 2015 ODIs avg 48.81 T20 41.1
Kane
Since 2013 ODIs avg 53.66 T20 40.0
Since 2014 ODIs avg 56.92 T20 40.1
Since 2015 ODIs avg 52.29 T20 43.9
No one in sane mind would say Root is better than Kane or more consistent.Last edited by BD-fan; 21st April 2016 at 16:39.
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21st April 2016, 16:45 #141
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In tests and ODIs you can gauge a player by average, but T20s are more about impact. I'd say Kohli is ahead in T20s..
In tests, Kane Williamson all the way. Steve Smith and Joe Root are both close second. Kohli is nowhere in the picture.
In ODIs, need I even say? King Kohli rules 'em all
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21st April 2016, 17:22 #142
Smith.
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21st April 2016, 17:22 #143
Root is a fabulous player no doubt, but I think people are rating him even more highly due too his performance in t20 World Cup. These are the same people who say don't judge someone from t20s. Look at his record in Australia it's not great nd in the UAE he didn't even score a century. Kohli scored 4 centuries in 4 games in Australia I don't think root will do that the next time he plays in Australia. In tests the order for me is,
Root, smith, Williamson, kohli.
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I expect next time the pitches will be a lot more flat than the previous given the trends in Aussie pitches recently and there won't be as strong a bowling attack in the raging form they were in. That was probably one of the toughest tours any pretty new batsman to international cricket could face given the teams situation and low team morale throughout most of the series so I seriously expect him to up on it next time.
Is that last list from worst to best?Last edited by HitWicket; 21st April 2016 at 19:20.
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21st April 2016, 19:49 #145
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Funny how people think Root and Kohli are equals in LOIs. Not even close! Root is currently a better test batsman than Kohli but that too might change soon..
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Speaking only about tests I assume. In which case:
Williamson today, Root tomorrow.
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Absolutely. See Man of the Matches award. Williamson had more Man of the Match awards than Joe Root.
And Williamson had a bigger one and even bigger one in 2015. The distance between them gets even bigger if 2014 is included. So what is the problem saying Williamson is more consistent than Joe Root?
Those who followed his progression knows. Those who are blind or didn't follow they don't know.
It is okay to say Root is great. Outstanding year or two. But there are others who have performed even better than him. Not that difficult to see.
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I am not questioning your pick either. You are the one who replied to my post questioning my selection. And I showed you my reasoning. This is the first time you are saying KW's short coming. Shall I point Root's? There were several but that is not my style. I will be defending my comments.
As for KW's World cup of 2015 performance, it came on the heel of 103, 26, 97, 54 (All SL), 112 (PAK) all in 2015.
In the WC:
50+ against SL - WIN
Highest scorer against Scotland - WIN
Notout against England - WIN
Notout against Australia - WIN
Semis guaranteed.
I'd take that "more than poor" when one is considering the entire tournament.
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22nd April 2016, 17:06 #154
I follow RCB scores on cricinfo and ABD keeps outshining Kohli.
A microcosm showing that the established guard of great batsmen - Amla, AB, Younis and Cook - are a level ahead of the new prodigies on the scene; Kane, Root, Smith and Kohli. This is only true for the test format, in ODIS, only the South Africans are ahead.
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22nd April 2016, 17:08 #155
Kohli. Don't need to feel insecure about it.
Swing it like Akram, whack it like Afridi, live it like Inti.
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Kohli surprises you everytime with something greater. Amazing player.