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    Now he should work on his fitness , As rashid and Dr. Nouman mentioned his name after post match analysis, soon he will be call for fitness test and after that for Pakistan team as well.

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    I hope we get a chance to see how bad/good he is - domestic stats don't mean much.

    So hoping he gets picked for a televised game and we could end this mystery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    I hope we get a chance to see how bad/good he is - domestic stats don't mean much.

    So hoping he gets picked for a televised game and we could end this mystery.
    He's already played a televised game; looked more than fine. What struck most people was the bounce and control. But I think your post is very symptomatic of something that Ahmer Naqvi brought up in his last post on cricinfo. TV plays bad tricks on selection more often than not. Someone does well on TV, like Shinwari, and gets selected without any stats to back them up. Do you really believe that we can gauge a player by a one off appearance in front of cameras, rather than their performances over many months and years? My hunch is that TV appearance are persuasive for rather more fuzzy reasons. The players becomes 'real' to the public; gives them a mental image, a kind of movement, to invest in. It was so spot on, this post a few days ago which suggested that Sadaf may not in fact exist; apologies I can't remember who wrote it...

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    If Sadaf is not playing Club cricket in UK than this is the ideal time to work on his fitness further.

    If he improves his physical fitness further by strengthening his lower body and improving his biceps and triceps than he can still become fast medium bowler.

    Mohammad Akram cannot help him at all in this regard.

    For that the ideal persons are Mudassar Nazar, Mushtaq Ahmed and Yasir at NCA. ESPECIALLY
    specially Yasir who is trainer at NCA.


    Fast medium Sadaf Hussain would be picked by Peshawar Zalmi for PSL.


    Currently he operates between 128-136kph but still should be considered for domestic T20's, Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A. Still he can be deadly on green Dubai wicket, Kandy, South Africa & England in test & odi cricket. But when he will become 132-140 kph bowler than he will improve further.


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    Finally !!!! Finally !!!!

    Someone from the top tier is taking notice of Sadaf I just hope Javed Afridi is sincere in what he's claiming here to be and not some media stunt to score points with the aware online cricket community.

    This guy seriously deserves a chance at the top level.

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    Javed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    If Sadaf is not playing Club cricket in UK than this is the ideal time to work on his fitness further.

    If he improves his physical fitness further by strengthening his lower body and improving his biceps and triceps than he can still become fast medium bowler.

    Mohammad Akram cannot help him at all in this regard.

    For that the ideal persons are Mudassar Nazar, Mushtaq Ahmed and Yasir at NCA. ESPECIALLY
    specially Yasir who is trainer at NCA.


    Fast medium Sadaf Hussain would be picked by Peshawar Zalmi for PSL.


    Currently he operates between 128-136kph but still should be considered for domestic T20's, Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A. Still he can be deadly on green Dubai wicket, Kandy, South Africa & England in test & odi cricket. But when he will become 132-140 kph bowler than he will improve further.


    Javed Afridi deserves appreciation. May Allah bless him.
    He's supposed to be playing now for Bagnall Norton Cc.

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    The thing with Sadaf is that his batting is abysmal. I'm not saying that he should become an allrounder but he looks terrible for a number 11, he should at least be able to defend properly and be able to last long at the crease and maybe look to squeeze some runs out. I've heard his fitness levels were poor and his fielding isn't up to scratch, his bowling speed needs to get cranked up. IF he works on these things then I don't see why he can't earn a spot in the national team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    If Sadaf is not playing Club cricket in UK than this is the ideal time to work on his fitness further.

    If he improves his physical fitness further by strengthening his lower body and improving his biceps and triceps than he can still become fast medium bowler.

    Mohammad Akram cannot help him at all in this regard.

    For that the ideal persons are Mudassar Nazar, Mushtaq Ahmed and Yasir at NCA. ESPECIALLY
    specially Yasir who is trainer at NCA.


    Fast medium Sadaf Hussain would be picked by Peshawar Zalmi for PSL.


    Currently he operates between 128-136kph but still should be considered for domestic T20's, Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A. Still he can be deadly on green Dubai wicket, Kandy, South Africa & England in test & odi cricket. But when he will become 132-140 kph bowler than he will improve further.


    Javed Afridi deserves appreciation. May Allah bless him.
    I know your post is coming from a good place, but his fitness really is just an excuse. He is plenty
    good and fit enough to warrant selection already. Got nothing left to prove in domestics, or A
    tours. Just give him a try already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I know your post is coming from a good place, but his fitness really is just an excuse. He is plenty
    good and fit enough to warrant selection already. Got nothing left to prove in domestics, or A
    tours. Just give him a try already.
    Last season his fitness improved.

    Saw it live in the match he played.

    Further improvement will help further.

    I wish he would have gone to England with A team. Those wickets suit him the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    The thing with Sadaf is that his batting is abysmal. I'm not saying that he should become an allrounder but he looks terrible for a number 11, he should at least be able to defend properly and be able to last long at the crease and maybe look to squeeze some runs out. I've heard his fitness levels were poor and his fielding isn't up to scratch, his bowling speed needs to get cranked up. IF he works on these things then I don't see why he can't earn a spot in the national team.
    A barrel or recycled red herrings. As a bowler he is good enough three times over.
    It would surely be an added bonus if he became the next Kallis. But he doesn't look
    worse than Irfan or Rahat or Sami with the bat or in the field. Others have made
    these points already, over and over again. And still the same rubbish excuses get
    trotted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Last season his fitness improved.

    Saw it live in the match he played.

    Further improvement will help further.

    I wish he would have gone to England with A team. Those wickets suit him the most.

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    Really? It will make Shakeel Sheikh bury his grudge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Really? It will make Shakeel Sheikh bury his grudge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    If Sadaf is not playing Club cricket in UK than this is the ideal time to work on his fitness further.

    If he improves his physical fitness further by strengthening his lower body and improving his biceps and triceps than he can still become fast medium bowler.

    Mohammad Akram cannot help him at all in this regard.

    For that the ideal persons are Mudassar Nazar, Mushtaq Ahmed and Yasir at NCA. ESPECIALLY
    specially Yasir who is trainer at NCA.


    Fast medium Sadaf Hussain would be picked by Peshawar Zalmi for PSL.


    Currently he operates between 128-136kph but still should be considered for domestic T20's, Pentangular Cup, Pakistan Cup and Pakistan A. Still he can be deadly on green Dubai wicket, Kandy, South Africa & England in test & odi cricket. But when he will become 132-140 kph bowler than he will improve further.


    Javed Afridi deserves appreciation. May Allah bless him.
    I don't disagree that those wickets will favor him; they will favor most fast bowlers. But you're wrong to
    pin him as some kind of horses for courses option. His stats are uniformly good across Pakistan, Karachi
    as much as Pindi.

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    I think a lot of arm-chair critics of selection committee need to understand that if you are a good talent, no matter what sort of selection committee you have, you will come out as a special talent.

    If you have a bowler bowling at 95 MPH, in most cases, he would be breaking batsmen's toes, and will get noticed. The only problem with our system is that we are not able to polish decent talents into a supreme talent.

    Case in point, Muhammad Asif, who was picked despite having average pace, but outstanding bowling meant he got noticed.

    Politics is a problem in our system, but not as bad as it is made out to be. If you are special and hard working talent, nobody can stop you.


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    ^^^Evidentally you are wrong as Shakeel Sheikh has proved it by blocking Sadaf's selection or even consideration for selection by selectors.

    If a fast bowler is unfit yet bowling 15-20 overs daily in domestic matches and leading the charts, there has to be some chance given to him at some level, any level?

    And if Sadaf is so unfit then why he does not get injured every time he bowls all these overs?

    Finally if he is so unfit then what do you call Tanvir Ahmed who even played for Paksitan despite having a pretty big tummy which is a huge no no for a fast bowler; we also saw how unfit and lethargic Akhtar looked at various stages of his career, he was rarely dropped on that charge?


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    For the question in OP: I would advise Sadaf to be as fit as possible and having good numbers in the league when Pakistan visits England....that is all he needs to do.

    You ask why? Well we know the history of our fast bowlers and how they start falling apart and breaking down especially in away tours. There is every chance that it happens again and then if a test is coming up and no one to replace the bowler, there is a decent chance that Sadaf gets called up to the team. Rest is all in Allah's hands but Sadaf has to give himself that chance, his only chance by being in England, being fit, and performing at his best at that time!


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    No one asked Inzamam a question about Sadaf in the press conference. A daily press conference by Shahryar - yet no questions about Sadaf are asked.

    We need Pakpassion reps to go and grill the PCB - since no one else gives a toss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aabbasi View Post
    I think a lot of arm-chair critics of selection committee need to understand that if you are a good talent, no matter what sort of selection committee you have, you will come out as a special talent.

    If you have a bowler bowling at 95 MPH, in most cases, he would be breaking batsmen's toes, and will get noticed. The only problem with our system is that we are not able to polish decent talents into a supreme talent.

    Case in point, Muhammad Asif, who was picked despite having average pace, but outstanding bowling meant he got noticed.

    Politics is a problem in our system, but not as bad as it is made out to be. If you are special and hard working talent, nobody can stop you.
    Because Donal Trump says so? I don't quite know what 'special' is supposed to mean. The second coming of Akram? But, taking Sadaf and Fawad as examples, I would say that the lowest Ave and SR / highest batting Ave in domestic competitions, is plenty good enough to merit selection. A system that does not take itself seriously is by definition a failing system.

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    Is he really that good?

    Posts at PP regarding PAK players sometimes a bit misleading, but his stats are outstanding. Last couple of bowlers with similar domestic stats were Asad Ali & Sohail Khan - Asad was a failure, but Sohail indeed proved his worth & may be under a better team management, could have a decent career. At 25/26, sometimes in 2009-10, he was deceptively quick & could reverse the ball.

    Sadaf's stats are consistently outstanding for over half a decade now & he is performing in UK leagues as well. Problem is PAK domestic stats are often misleading while in UK, standard of every league is not that good. I haven't read anything regarding him from "horses mouth" - any coach, scouts, fellow player or agent. Is there any interview/comment for reliable player who actually has played against him? Asad, Azhar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz, Babar .....?

    There must be some reason that hardly anyone even recognizes a bowler, whose stats are similar to 19th century bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Is he really that good?

    Posts at PP regarding PAK players sometimes a bit misleading, but his stats are outstanding. Last couple of bowlers with similar domestic stats were Asad Ali & Sohail Khan - Asad was a failure, but Sohail indeed proved his worth & may be under a better team management, could have a decent career. At 25/26, sometimes in 2009-10, he was deceptively quick & could reverse the ball.

    Sadaf's stats are consistently outstanding for over half a decade now & he is performing in UK leagues as well. Problem is PAK domestic stats are often misleading while in UK, standard of every league is not that good. I haven't read anything regarding him from "horses mouth" - any coach, scouts, fellow player or agent. Is there any interview/comment for reliable player who actually has played against him? Asad, Azhar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfraz, Babar .....?

    There must be some reason that hardly anyone even recognizes a bowler, whose stats are similar to 19th century bowlers.
    No word from anyone credible I believe.

    I'm also skeptical about his real ability because of Asad Ali factor .

    Asad Ali was hyped to the moon on this very forum because of his Marshall esque domestic stats. Probably the best in our history. I remember how everyone was going gaga over him when Pak toured Ireland and he played. They hadn't even seen him play.

    But when he did play a proper match under cameras, or many matches in fact, we all got to know how mediocre he is. A Indian-level trundling machine.

    Sadaf Hussain has the same skill set and pace as Asad Ali. Both are slow trundlers and can hardly move the kookaburra ball.

    Even if they can, they'll probably be Bhuvneshwar Kumar type.

    That's why I'm not expecting too much but you can't make the statiaticians and spreadsheet fans understand that .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    No word from anyone credible I believe.

    I'm also skeptical about his real ability because of Asad Ali factor .

    Asad Ali was hyped to the moon on this very forum because of his Marshall esque domestic stats. Probably the best in our history. I remember how everyone was going gaga over him when Pak toured Ireland and he played. They hadn't even seen him play.

    But when he did play a proper match under cameras, or many matches in fact, we all got to know how mediocre he is. A Indian-level trundling machine.

    Sadaf Hussain has the same skill set and pace as Asad Ali. Both are slow trundlers and can hardly move the kookaburra ball.

    Even if they can, they'll probably be Bhuvneshwar Kumar type.

    That's why I'm not expecting too much but you can't make the statiaticians and spreadsheet fans understand that .
    The thing is he is getting truckload of wickets in the same domestic system where others perform and get a chance , he should at least be given a chance to fail. He should not die wondering. On merit he deserves a chance , when guys like shakil ansar , usman shinwari and bilal asif ended up playing for Pakistan why not sadaf hussain.


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    The same old rhetoric of "can't move Kookaburra ball". Ended up highest wicket taker in ODI gold cup last year by some margin. Can't move the ball, doesn't have pace. Maybe does some jaadu toona on the ball to get wickets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakar View Post
    The same old rhetoric of "can't move Kookaburra ball". Ended up highest wicket taker in ODI gold cup last year by some margin. Can't move the ball, doesn't have pace. Maybe does some jaadu toona on the ball to get wickets.
    haha, agreed. people talk like we have marshalls and lillees hidden in domestic system so okay to keep this guy out.

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    Marriage.

    A damaad of someone in a pretty strong position in PCB.


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    It's quite funny how majority of the posters who claim that Sadaf fainted during a fitness test - or lacks match fitness - or is a awful batsmen at #11; have never seen him play enough to compile a 2 page report on the player.

    Many of these so called 'expert analysis' are based on media reports - only 2-3 posters on PP have watched Sadaf well enough before he was even recognised by the media through his performances and only these posters know the domestic inside out/ and have the channels/time to watch domestic - since they live local.

    These posters are @b.lesner and @TalentSpotterPk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    No word from anyone credible I believe.

    I'm also skeptical about his real ability because of Asad Ali factor .

    Asad Ali was hyped to the moon on this very forum because of his Marshall esque domestic stats. Probably the best in our history. I remember how everyone was going gaga over him when Pak toured Ireland and he played. They hadn't even seen him play.

    But when he did play a proper match under cameras, or many matches in fact, we all got to know how mediocre he is. A Indian-level trundling machine.

    Sadaf Hussain has the same skill set and pace as Asad Ali. Both are slow trundlers and can hardly move the kookaburra ball.

    Even if they can, they'll probably be Bhuvneshwar Kumar type.

    That's why I'm not expecting too much but you can't make the statiaticians and spreadsheet fans understand that .
    yeah, people who argue on the basis of evidence find it very difficult to understand people who don't.

    because you realize this what you don't have, right? no information, evidence, any clue really.

    what part of powerful PCB official has it in for him do you not understand?

    and how on earth can anyone know a player's real ability until they have been tested. only the future can tell, it is as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    No word from anyone credible I believe.

    I'm also skeptical about his real ability because of Asad Ali factor .

    Asad Ali was hyped to the moon on this very forum because of his Marshall esque domestic stats. Probably the best in our history. I remember how everyone was going gaga over him when Pak toured Ireland and he played. They hadn't even seen him play.

    But when he did play a proper match under cameras, or many matches in fact, we all got to know how mediocre he is. A Indian-level trundling machine.

    Sadaf Hussain has the same skill set and pace as Asad Ali. Both are slow trundlers and can hardly move the kookaburra ball.

    Even if they can, they'll probably be Bhuvneshwar Kumar type.

    That's why I'm not expecting too much but you can't make the statiaticians and spreadsheet fans understand that .
    You do know that he was selected, by selectors, for several A tours, and sent as backup on national
    team tour to the Windies? Maybe these selectors didn't take a look at who they were selecting. In which
    case they have shown themselves to be manifestly unreliable, and should not be taken at their word
    then or now. Or they did take a look, liked what they saw, but then other considerations prevailed. At
    any rate, the idea that no one has rated him is pure rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    No word from anyone credible I believe.

    I'm also skeptical about his real ability because of Asad Ali factor .

    Asad Ali was hyped to the moon on this very forum because of his Marshall esque domestic stats. Probably the best in our history. I remember how everyone was going gaga over him when Pak toured Ireland and he played. They hadn't even seen him play.

    But when he did play a proper match under cameras, or many matches in fact, we all got to know how mediocre he is. A Indian-level trundling machine.

    Sadaf Hussain has the same skill set and pace as Asad Ali. Both are slow trundlers and can hardly move the kookaburra ball.

    Even if they can, they'll probably be Bhuvneshwar Kumar type.

    That's why I'm not expecting too much but you can't make the statiaticians and spreadsheet fans understand that .
    He also has the same skill set and pace as Mohammed Asif and Glenn McGrath.

    What an awful non argument. Just completely pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    He also has the same skill set and pace as Mohammed Asif and Glenn McGrath.

    What an awful non argument. Just completely pointless.
    Same skill set as Asif and MacG???


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    And after moving abroad, he will rip the Pakistani batting line up apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    He also has the same skill set and pace as Mohammed Asif and Glenn McGrath.

    What an awful non argument. Just completely pointless.
    Sorry bro, that went a bit too far.

    Asad Ali had the same skill set as Asif and McGrath?

    Or you mean B Kumar had the same skillset as McGrath or Asif?

    Not every trundler is an Asif.


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    Please Note the " Average " fitness levels of Imran Khan & Rahat Ali.

    Barely Passing Fitness test.


    Rules should be same for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Please Note the " Average " fitness levels of Imran Khan & Rahat Ali.

    Barely Passing Fitness test.


    Rules should be same for all.
    I agree.

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    This is what I thought PP can do - ask senior players, who have played against him - Asad, Azhar, YK, Misbah, Sarfraz, MoHa, Malik ...... on his performance/stats, then follow-up it with critical questions. If they don't rate him, fair enough; but then, they should explain why he has almost Syd Barnes like stats in domestics for 5/6 years. If they rate him, then the question should be why he is not picked even for A side or PSL/PAK Cup? - 3/4 of the players listed were in charge of PSL/PAK Cup teams, can't avoid answering. AND, if none of them has played against him to that amount that, they can't recall, probably then, the mystery will be solved on it's own.

    Only team he was part of, Captain/Coach didn't play him even in a dead rubber - therefore Afridi & WY also needs to be asked - why this guy was picked & not given a match over 5 ODI, when he was in sweeter half of 20s; or if he is not good at nets, why he was picked for such a serious tour of WI? It's clear that, selectors don't rate him - none of those who have seen him playing, neither those who have seen only his stats.

    I know, stats in PAK domestic is unreliable, but bowling stats are relatively reliable than batting stats. Besides, whichever ball is being used, this guy is out performing regular Internationals hands down in both formats. At ~6'4" & in his mid 20s, for last 4/5 years he had everything to be tried out, at least even for Test series against BD or ZIM, A Series. Besides, if Rahat, Irfan can play in both formats, fitness/fielding or batting capability shouldn't be a question for him either. As a batsman, Fawad & Manzoor looks even uglier/ordinary, but they were given multiple chances on their domestic performances, therefore this guy Sadaf is more than unlucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Sorry bro, that went a bit too far.

    Asad Ali had the same skill set as Asif and McGrath?

    Or you mean B Kumar had the same skillset as McGrath or Asif?

    Not every trundler is an Asif.
    How did it go to far?

    Not every trundler is an Asad either. You see that, right?

    I can contrive a resemblance between any two bowlers, anywhere,
    on the basis of the fact that they both have two legs and play cricket.

    But so what?

    Your point literally was without a point. It is ill informed and what is
    even worse, wallows in this fact. If a player's worthiness is in doubt,
    surely the best thing is to actually try them out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    This is what I thought PP can do - ask senior players, who have played against him - Asad, Azhar, YK, Misbah, Sarfraz, MoHa, Malik ...... on his performance/stats, then follow-up it with critical questions. If they don't rate him, fair enough; but then, they should explain why he has almost Syd Barnes like stats in domestics for 5/6 years. If they rate him, then the question should be why he is not picked even for A side or PSL/PAK Cup? - 3/4 of the players listed were in charge of PSL/PAK Cup teams, can't avoid answering. AND, if none of them has played against him to that amount that, they can't recall, probably then, the mystery will be solved on it's own.

    Only team he was part of, Captain/Coach didn't play him even in a dead rubber - therefore Afridi & WY also needs to be asked - why this guy was picked & not given a match over 5 ODI, when he was in sweeter half of 20s; or if he is not good at nets, why he was picked for such a serious tour of WI? It's clear that, selectors don't rate him - none of those who have seen him playing, neither those who have seen only his stats.

    I know, stats in PAK domestic is unreliable, but bowling stats are relatively reliable than batting stats. Besides, whichever ball is being used, this guy is out performing regular Internationals hands down in both formats. At ~6'4" & in his mid 20s, for last 4/5 years he had everything to be tried out, at least even for Test series against BD or ZIM, A Series. Besides, if Rahat, Irfan can play in both formats, fitness/fielding or batting capability shouldn't be a question for him either. As a batsman, Fawad & Manzoor looks even uglier/ordinary, but they were given multiple chances on their domestic performances, therefore this guy Sadaf is more than unlucky.
    Wrong, selectors have rated him, that's presumably why he was selected for the Windies tour. But
    now they don't dare touch him with a ten foot pole. And we sort of know why.

    Fact is that personal observation, ie assessment of form or style, can be wrong, and stats can be wrong.
    No one who watched Chanderpaul in action would have pegged him as an ATG.

    But the evidence in favor of Sadaf is now such that there is literally nothing left to prove. Because again,
    the question is not whether he will succeed - no one can know that. The question is whether he should be
    given a chance to play a few games.

    That's why the debate over him has become so ludicrous. If you doubt his ability, for whatever reason, fine.
    But why on earth would you be afraid of actually letting the system work, as it is supposed to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by #GreenRoars View Post
    Same skill set as Asif and MacG???
    Can't spot irony I take it? The point being that any comparison, whether good or bad, is
    always bound to be wishful and arbitrary. See comments below.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    How did it go to far?

    Not every trundler is an Asad either. You see that, right?

    I can contrive a resemblance between any two bowlers, anywhere,
    on the basis of the fact that they both have two legs and play cricket.

    But so what?

    Your point literally was without a point. It is ill informed and what is
    even worse, wallows in this fact. If a player's worthiness is in doubt,
    surely the best thing is to actually try them out?
    An Asif or Amir like skillset or talent never rots in domestic. Everyone notices it and can't be ignored .

    That's why Amir was fast tracked to the team.

    He don't have that skillset, but you're right that should be given a chance to end this debate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    An Asif or Amir like skillset or talent never rots in domestic. Everyone notices it and can't be ignored .

    That's why Amir was fast tracked to the team.

    He don't have that skillset, but you're right that should be given a chance to end this debate.
    I'm sorry but I don't think you have a clue what is his skillset, your posts make that pretty clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't think you have a clue what is his skillset, your posts make that pretty clear.
    Intuition and common sense.


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    Hopefully Sadaf will be ignored again.

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    Seems that Sadaf will go down as a myth or a dream.It's pretty obvious that some one in the pcb doesn't like him and its hell bound on keeping him out of the team.


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    Does cricket survive off of it's money or does it survive for it's money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post

    So @Saj any revelations why the poor Sadaf is invisible to the PCB?


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    On the bright side I think if he performs this season inzamam will at least go and watch him.


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    Not saying that he cannot lift his performances in next matches but


    The worst Fc Season of Sadaf Hussain in last 7 years uptil now.


    Many pacers ahead of him.

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    https://youtu.be/-lwPFVltDz4

    New video of Sadaf Hussain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    https://youtu.be/-lwPFVltDz4

    New video of Sadaf Hussain
    Seems to be okay pace

    Ball is definitely carrying easily and keeper is standing wel back

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Not saying that he cannot lift his performances in next matches but


    The worst Fc Season of Sadaf Hussain in last 7 years uptil now.


    Many pacers ahead of him.
    What are the stats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    What are the stats?

    Sadaf is at number 23 amongst top wicket takers.
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    Best Average & Strike Rate combination once again is of Ali Imran Pasha :

    So Sad that he got injured at the wrong time.
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    Terrible season for him so far. On the brighter side, he scored 23 odd with the bat.


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    Sadaf needs 1 fivefer to seal his spot in next Pakistan A List A squad.

    Last two years he was highest wicket taker of List A tournament of department.

    After an average QEA it seems as if his rhythm and form is back.


    If he can make it 3 in a row than no way Inzamam can avoid selecting him for Pakistan A at the age of 26.
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    he should learn the lesson from fawad alam, concentrate on the english leagues and get out as soon as he possibly can.

    if he gets selected, and if history is any indication, he'll get played two or three games and then dropped for some mediocre yawn as per the wishes of a bloated corrupt board member with favours to win or cash to collect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Sadaf needs 1 fivefer to seal his spot in next Pakistan A List A squad.

    Last two years he was highest wicket taker of List A tournament of department.

    After an average QEA it seems as if his rhythm and form is back.


    If he can make it 3 in a row than no way Inzamam can avoid selecting him for Pakistan A at the age of 26.
    And what if he does? Sadaf's already been man of the series in two A-tours.

    Has nothing left to prove in LOI cricket.

    But to the joy of Shakeel Shaikh,and quite a few PPers, he will never get selected

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    his stats are incredible. why doesn't he try county? maybe he get some attention that way. he doesn't play t20 either for some reason. bizarre. forget the national team, if he can transfer his game to that format, he can become rich playing in eng, pal, bpl.

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    He was terrible in the last game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaasir View Post
    He was terrible in the last game
    Everyone has off days.


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    Why didn't Misbah select him and other deserving players who have been performing consistently ? Doesn't the "greatest captain" have any sense to scout for talent and groom payers for the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Why didn't Misbah select him and other deserving players who have been performing consistently ? Doesn't the "greatest captain" have any sense to scout for talent and groom payers for the future?
    He has sense, that's why he didn't root for Sadaf.

    Don't watch cricket on spreadsheets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Why didn't Misbah select him and other deserving players who have been performing consistently ? Doesn't the "greatest captain" have any sense to scout for talent and groom payers for the future?
    because misbah isnt a selector. hes the captain of the test team. its the selectors' job to scout and select players - the clue is in the job title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Why didn't Misbah select him and other deserving players who have been performing consistently ? Doesn't the "greatest captain" have any sense to scout for talent and groom payers for the future?
    Last time I checked, Inzi was the chief selector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    Why didn't Misbah select him and other deserving players who have been performing consistently ? Doesn't the "greatest captain" have any sense to scout for talent and groom payers for the future?
    Why didn't legendary fast bowler Waqar make a case for him when he was coach for 4 out of the last 6 years ? Instead he carried on with his golden boys Rahat and Wahab despite their persistently poor bowling averages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Why didn't legendary fast bowler Waqar make a case for him when he was coach for 4 out of the last 6 years ? Instead he carried on with his golden boys Rahat and Wahab despite their persistently poor bowling averages.
    Because Waqar knows Sadaf is going to be an inferior version of our already rubbish bowling stocks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla View Post
    because misbah isnt a selector. hes the captain of the test team. its the selectors' job to scout and select players - the clue is in the job title.
    It definitely takes common sense to know what a job entails in reality rather than going by textbook stuff. Misbah has a major say and influence in team selection. He got those players whom he wanted in the side , a lot of ttfs.

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    Just another Imran Khan. Sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Why didn't legendary fast bowler Waqar make a case for him when he was coach for 4 out of the last 6 years ? Instead he carried on with his golden boys Rahat and Wahab despite their persistently poor bowling averages.
    So what's stopping Waqar from spotting superior versions of wahab and Rahat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Because Waqar knows Sadaf is going to be an inferior version of our already rubbish bowling stocks.
    Trying new rubbish is better than persisting with old rubbish (the latter's more rotten)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    It definitely takes common sense to know what a job entails in reality rather than going by textbook stuff. Misbah has a major say and influence in team selection. He got those players whom he wanted in the side , a lot of ttfs.
    who told you that?

    it takes bias to make things up. hes been on record a billion of times, the selectors have historically been on record a billion of times, globally its been stated a billion of times that a captain and his coach's opinions are taken and considered, but selections are finalised by selectors. thats happens everyehere - and that passes a common sense test.

    if he gets the side he wants all the time how do you explain this, taken from just the first few search results, theres plenty more:

    "Misbah raps selectors over lack of Yasir cover" - http://nation.com.pk/sports/14-Oct-2...of-yasir-cover

    "Misbah unhappy over not consulted in team selection" - http://www.awaztoday.pk/News_Misbah-....d9X6ehuT.dpuf

    "Misbah 'unhappy' at not being consulted over Pak team selection for Zimbabwe series" - http://www.sify.com/sports/misbah-un...uqadhfhsi.html

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/ar.../t-184685.html

    "A joke to not consult captain or coach - Akram" - http://tribune.com.pk/story/63972/no...-a-joke-akram/

    "No say in team selection angers Misbah" - https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/no-s...ul-haq-1531541

    and heres one for another captain just to illustrate how this is common sense policy, not specific to a particular player, and why the position of selector is created in cricket boards throughout the work:

    "I have not been consulted in team selection: Hafeez" - http://www.awaztoday.pk/News_I-have-....gSUxx0Ka.dpuf

    the only exception to this rule that i have seen is afridi, who has declared in public that he gets the team he asks for. which also explains why he is out in so undignified circumstances.
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    PSL Franchises are commercial entities and they seem to have signed up unproven talent, why havnt they picked Sadaf?

    Is it just because he is not a T20 player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    https://youtu.be/-lwPFVltDz4

    New video of Sadaf Hussain
    That's modest stuff.

    Pace isn't the greatest, a bit of seam movement and some bounce.

    Overall an average talent that doesn't deserve half of the hype he gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    That's modest stuff.

    Pace isn't the greatest, a bit of seam movement and some bounce.

    Overall an average talent that doesn't deserve half of the hype he gets.
    Definitely lets never have the courage to put those kinds of hunches to a test.

    Gazillion something List A wickets at 18 must be a complete fluke.

    And "a bit of seam movement and some bounce" never described a successful international fast bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Trying new rubbish is better than persisting with old rubbish (the latter's more rotten)
    No we should never dare try any new bowler, never have courage to make mistakes, always assume that if we can't explain how the earth is round, it must be flat. Just keep going with the tried and failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Trying new rubbish is better than persisting with old rubbish (the latter's more rotten)
    How to pick a bowler

    We should never dare try any new bowler. Because every ODI match played against Windies is too important for experimentation.

    Always assume that if we can't explain how a bowler takes wickets or the earth is round, the bowler must be bad and the earth must be flat.

    Wickets mean nothing and intuitive feeling everything. Empirical evidence is so 1650.

    Don't stop believing. In Waqar

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    20 wickets in 9 LA games this season @ 21 per wicket. He is doing well again.


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