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9th April 2018, 00:22 #721
Indians once again getting too excited about an irrelevant knock played in a domestic tournament against club level bowlers.
There is no denying Rahul's talent but Babar has achieved everything he has in the international cricket.
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9th April 2018, 00:27 #722
A very good innings no doubt by Rahul but you cannot say he is better than Babar because of it.
I don’t think Kohli has ever scored 50(15) either.
There is barely a comparison between Babar and KL at the moment in LOI.
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9th April 2018, 00:27 #723
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9th April 2018, 00:28 #724
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9th April 2018, 00:41 #728
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9th April 2018, 00:49 #731
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Some posters are acting very childish here . It is not necessary to ridicule a certain player just for the sake of praising one ‘ s favourite one . Rahul , no doubt , has talent but let the guy perform at international level(hopefully he performs) . But saying Rahul is better than babar on the basis of just one domestic innings is absurd . Babar is much more consistent than him.
Ps kohli today scored 31 from 33 balls , does this thing make kohli a lesser batsman than Rahul / Narine . Guys take a chill pill .
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9th April 2018, 01:12 #732
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9th April 2018, 01:14 #733
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9th April 2018, 01:20 #735
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9th April 2018, 01:21 #736
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9th April 2018, 02:29 #738
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9th April 2018, 02:32 #739
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9th April 2018, 03:06 #740
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9th April 2018, 03:24 #741
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Reminds me a lot of Rahane in the sense that he's got everything except the power game. What surprises me is that he hasn't taken to test cricket like Rahane as he actually seems suited more to that format. Would be a clear area to work on as our Test batting unit really needs to improve.
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9th April 2018, 04:01 #742
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9th April 2018, 04:20 #743
You dont have to play bigger and entertaining shots like ab or kohli to be the best batsman.. this must n't be the criteria of judgement.. as long as a batsman is scoring at healthier strike rate, even without hitting huge sixes.. at the end what matters is how many runs you have scored.. i'll take him over any hit or miss player.. consistency is the biggest thing and thats where this guy is pure class..
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9th April 2018, 04:21 #744
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Rahul would walk into the Pakistan side. Only reason he isn't in the Indian side atm because they have a higher level of batsmanship in their first XI.
As for Rahul and Babar comparison: Rahul will win you more matches whereas Babar will be more consistent but because he can't go beyond 3rd gear his innings won't have much impact on on the fortunes of his side.
As already mentioned on here I also concur that his knocks against World XI, SL and WI doesn't make you a bonafide no. 1 T20I batsman.Last edited by backfootpunch; 9th April 2018 at 04:22.
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9th April 2018, 04:24 #745
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9th April 2018, 04:25 #746
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9th April 2018, 04:32 #747
making a realistic prediction here... rahul (if remains fit otherwise his carrier is in seriously trouble due to his injury prone body) will have a pretty much successfull test career than babar.. babar is good in lois but his game does n't suit tests.. cover his strong zone and take a slip or two and he'll surrender.. but he will remain leagues ahead of rahul in lois (especially in odis)..
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9th April 2018, 04:34 #748
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His 50 off 29 balls was quality but the the other 2 knocks were scored at run a ball which is a poor SR which sums up when I was saying "consistent but doesn't have the impact".
Unfortunately Pakistan's batting culture and mindset has gone backwards and more defensive when it should be progressing (in a more batting friendly era) from what it was back in the late 90s and early 2000s, when they were playing a more aggressive brand of cricket. These guys were ahead of their time! You had the likes of Saeed Anwar, Ijaz Ahmed, Razzaq, Inzy, Afridi, Azhar Mahmood, Moin Khan and etc who all had a great power game.Last edited by backfootpunch; 9th April 2018 at 04:35.
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9th April 2018, 04:53 #749
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If Rahul can score consistent 50s throughout the IPL like Babar Azam, then he will be in the same league.
As of now, Lokesh Rahul is 2 leagues lower than Babar Azam. Babar Azam is the man who scores a lot of half tons in 30 odd balls, unmatchable to any cricketer in the world. He is consistent legend
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9th April 2018, 05:37 #751
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Babar is leagues ahead... The boy has 1000 more international runs and is 3 yrs younger.
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9th April 2018, 06:39 #752
Just watched the highlights. Spectacular player.
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9th April 2018, 07:14 #753
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9th April 2018, 07:19 #754
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9th April 2018, 08:05 #755
Rahul has the potential to be among the top 3 batsmen in the world. However, until he does better in internationals, he's below Babar.
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9th April 2018, 08:16 #756
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KL is a good player but needs a little bit of consistency in the shorter formats. His test form since his return has been patchy as well but he does have the talent to become the main stay of Indian batting in all 3 formats.
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9th April 2018, 12:30 #758
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But he is the best LOI Pakistani Batsman we have seen in ths decade...And after getting more than a decent batsman in thr lineup after long time we can expect them to go over the moon and Overhyped him like anythng...so for them it really doesn't matters wheather he scored those runs against WI ZIM SL on dead pitches...out of desperation they will igonre all the facts..
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Don't know a great deal about KL Rahul but Babar has definitely achieved more for Pak than Rahul has for India
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Actually KL Rahul is born in wrong place. If he was pakistani he would be their captain by now and biggest superstar since Imran Khan.. Poor boy is so talented but can't find a spot in the team while FTBs like Babar and Shahzad have played so much for pakistan in such short time..
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9th April 2018, 14:18 #766
'We know which Pakistan has turned up today...'
'It's the one to be afraid of.'
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Hmmmm okay okay
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9th April 2018, 14:21 #768
IN ODIs,
KL averages 35
Babar averages 52
In T20s
KL averages 45
Babar averages 55
Until that changes, you can't say that Rahul is comfortably better than Babar.
Pretty ironic that according to you a guy who's ranked 4 and 1 in ODI and T20 rankings respectively is being massively overrated yet a guy who averages 35 in ODIs and can't even get ahead of Rahane in the ODI XI isn't.
'We know which Pakistan has turned up today...'
'It's the one to be afraid of.'
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9th April 2018, 14:43 #769
Rahul has had many opportunities vs SL. Could have cashed in but didn’t.
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9th April 2018, 15:12 #770
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Well I look forward to seeing what he can do in the next couple of years up until the next WT20 in India when we will have a definitive idea of where he is in T20Is - if he proves me wrong I'll be the first to admit and give you credit for your insights. As of now if he can barely manage a SR of 120-125 in this year's PSL (remember a domestic T20I tournament) then there is no basis to say he has a power game unless he is a selfish batsman like Tamim Iqbal who I actually believe has the ability to strike it at 135+ at least.
Yes Babar is more consistent as I've said before but he is a lot more sedate - just compare his stats in PSL 3 to Fakhar's:
Babar Azam: Averaging 40.20 @ 122.18
Fakhar Zaman: 27.70 BUT @ 147.34 (magnificent)
They plated the same bowlers on the same pitches so there are no excuses for Babar with his SR but for some reason Babar Azam is made out to be the best T20I batsman on here just like in ODIs - simply on the basis of his averages in both formats.
His performances in ODIs have a similar pattern as well but yet again he's so overrated on this forum when he isn't even the best ODI or T20I player in the team.
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Absolutely I totally agree with that which is why Babar is targeted with a higher average as he is the anchor with the team whereas with Fakhar it's about taking more risks to propel the team's score or at least give them a flyer in the powerplay overs.
All I'm saying is a SR of 122 isn't good enough when the pitches were a lot easier to score on compared to the last couple of years. It should be no less than 135.
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KL Rahul has a power game that Babar does'nt have. But the Indians ridiculing Babar that he scores only against SL and WI have no idea of Babar's career so far. Babar is capable of a number "100(120)" knocks against top opponents too. He has done that in Australia. But you can't expect match winning knocks in a tight chase from Babar.
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9th April 2018, 19:52 #777
So when Bobs is at the top of the rankings, they suddenly are not the be-all and end-all of cricket standards. Interesting POV.
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In ODIs, I would take Babar over any batsman except Kohli and Dhawan right now. Rahul is yet to showcase any degree of consistency in ODI cricket. A comparison with Babar is not even justified at this stage, such is the difference.
In T20s, I would pick KL over Babar. Latter over Shreyas Iyer and Rishab Pant though.
In tests, I would again pick KL over Babar. Latter at this stage won't get into India's B side.
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Babar's stats
T20s
1. 83% of his runs have come against WI, SL and WXI. (4 out of 5 fifties)
2. 55% of his runs are against WI
3. Has played only 4 match against top teams (1 - ENG, 3- NZ)
4. Hasn't played a match against AUS, SA, IND
ODIs
1. 53% of his runs have come against WI, SL, ZIM, IRE (6 out of 7 centuries)
2. 59% of his runs have come in ASIA and WI (6 out of 7 centuries)
2. Averages 38 at SR of 82 against top teams (ENG, SA, IND, AUS, NZ)
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9th April 2018, 21:38 #782
Rahul's stats
ODIs
1. Overall avergae of 35.42
2. Averages 196 against ZIM
3. Averages 8 against ENG
4. Averages 9.33 against SL
5. Has played 100% of his matches in ASIA
6. Hasn't played a match against AUS, SA, IND
T20s
1. Overall average of 45.45
2. Averages 34.5 against ZIM
3. Averages 33.46 against ENG
4. Averages 37.67 against SL
5. Has played all matches except 1 in ASIA
6. Hasn't played a match against AUS, SA, INDLast edited by ManFan; 9th April 2018 at 21:40.
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The best player would be a combination of Rahul's range of strokes with Babur's temperament. Right now Babur is miles ahead because he is scoring runs. Rahul was given multiple chances in ODIs and no. 4 was his for the taking. He failed because he just doesn't know how to build an innings in ODIs. Babur can but is limited by his stroke play.
Question is who can get there first. Is it easier for Rahul to change his mindset or for Babur to increase his range.
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Good you didn't feel the need to mention the opponent name.
As per many here, PSL bowling is as good as any international team. I would have given more credits if he had done that against PSL attack. But the team against which he played that innings was a lot worse than pSL bowling attack.
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9th April 2018, 21:48 #786
Don't worry, I don't think he's the next coming of Bradman.
Just correcting a mistake.
Anyway, Rahul is a couple of years older. Not too worried about Babar's output against the better teams just yet, but if we're still discussing this in a couple of years' time, then it'll be a cause for concern.
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9th April 2018, 21:55 #787
In the recent Nidhas Trophy, KL Rahul played three matches and got to bat twice. His scores were 18(17) vs SL, DNB vs BD, 24(14) vs BD.
So Babar's amazing stats are dispelled because they are against lower ranked sides but ATG KL Rahul isn't even managing to do well against those same lower ranked sides.
The problem with Indian chest-thumpers is that their opinions are never based on trivial things such as logic or facts.
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9th April 2018, 21:57 #788
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Just want to dispel myth Babar has only scored runs against SL and WI. Against those whom he has played 5 or more ODIs, he averages 57 against Aus, 37 against England (will likely increase now that he will be playing against England as an older and wiser cricketer), 25 against NZ, 102 against the WI and 58 against SL.
Averaging less than 30 against just one side, aged just 23 is exceptional going. Especially taking into account he has a century and a fifty in his first tour of Australia. Not to mention handy knocks in his first world tournament.
Yet another myth debunked thanks to Barah Admi.
Also, just so Indian's don't get offended, Kohli is the greatest!
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Dude, I will select KL Rahul over every Indian batsman except Kohli and Dhawan in T20s. And KL has a better power game in T20 than Kohli. That is also quite evident. He would be the first name on the team sheet against a full strength WI against which we need 200 bare minimum.
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9th April 2018, 22:04 #790
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9th April 2018, 22:15 #792
LK seems to have concentration issues. Loses focus after scoring few runs and gets himself out. He needs to practise some meditation or yoga or something.
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9th April 2018, 22:15 #793
The “Babar only performs against minnows” argument would only be valid if KL had actually scored against quality sides.
KL can’t even score against minnows let alone top 5 teams atm.
Anyway Babar has played good innings against top sides:
62(62) vs ENG
51(51) vs ENG
62(76) vs NZ
83(77) vs NZ
84(100) vs AUS
100(109) vs AUS
46(52) vs IND
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Look at the way they hype Babar
And when It came to Rohit Sharma the only cricketer with 3 Double Centuries in ODI
They labelled him as FTB,Aamir Bunny,Cant Play against Lateral Movement ane blah blah
Rohit Sharma better than Any Batsman pakistan have produced in thr ODI history
But just look at the hypocrisy...Pakistanis just can't digest batting greats india producing one after another..Mocking Players like Rohit Sharma and overhyping players like babar faheem...
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People who are calling for KL Rahul to be consistent probably haven't followed him well enough:
1. He doesn't get chances in ODIs because Dhawan and Rohit are the established opening pair (hardly played 10 ODIs in the last 2-3 years).
2. In T20Is, he averages over 45 at an SR of 145 in 15 matches, so he has been quite consistent there in the limited matches he has played.
3. In Tests, he had nine 50+ scores in 11 innings (7 consecutive 50s) last year. You could argue he was unsuccessful in converting them into 100s but some of them were on difficult tracks where even a 50 was gold. So, apart from the 2 Tests in SA, he has been pretty consistent here as well.
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The most hilarious thing is , when Kohli was the no 1 t-20 batsman in the world, Pak fans were like "t-20 rankings are a joke, no one take t-20 rankings seriously", and now that His Highness babar azam is the no 1 batsman in the world, the same rankings are suddenly the most legitimate rankings in the world.
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