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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Tests I agree he has not performed upto standards - which is about to change.


    As per your request:

    Babar in T20s:

    vs England: no average (1 innings of 15 not out)
    vs NZ: 55@126
    vs SL: 18@88
    vs WI: 58@126


    KL Rahul in T20s:

    vs BD: 24@171
    vs Eng: 34@137
    vs SL: 39@139
    vs WI: no average (1 innings of 110 not out)
    vs ZIM: 35@113






    This is getting from bad to worse for KL Rahul. Now imagine what will happen to both players averages if I remove SL and WI from the record.
    you sure you are not laughing at Babar's SR ?

    Clearly you are looking at the wrong stat for T20s


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    Quote Originally Posted by jusarrived View Post
    you sure you are not laughing at Babar's SR ?

    Clearly you are looking at the wrong stat for T20s
    You know you have lost the argument where all you are left with is SR


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    PPers who are mocking Rahul here have no idea about Indian team politics and amount of damage Kohli has done to the youngster's career. Rahul has 100s in his 1st test tours to Sri Lanka, Australia and Windies, displayed the highest quality of batting in the 2017 Australia homes series (same series where FTB King Kohli aggregated 40 runs in 3 tests). 100s in all 3 formats, yet has to warm the benches while hacks play for our main XI. His faults: he is South Indian, supported Kumble and a bigger potential brand name than ego maniac Kohli.
    Lol.Rohit Sharma is also a Southie and he is still playing in Kohli's team.Rahul didnt cash-in his oppurtunities and hence he was out. As simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    You know you have lost the argument where all you are left with is SR
    T20s are all about SRs .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    You have absolutely no argument... you keep changing the goal posts. You were harping that Babar benefits from smashing minnows but then I showed that KL Rahul would average in the single digits if we remove minnows from the record.


    You are another one of those mindless trolls who think what they have said is the absolute truth and are unable or incapable or accepting anything else. Remind me to never engage with low quality posters like you again. Have a good day sir. Carry on with your mindless chest thumping.
    So you actually believe that a glorified ftb like babar isa better t-20 batsman than Finch, Maxwell, Kohli , Munro and Hales etc. Well done.

    Have fun drooling at the mediocre 24 averaging ftb. I don't have any wish to engage with you either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Lol.Rohit Sharma is also a Southie and he is still playing in Kohli's team.Rahul didnt cash-in his oppurtunities and hence he was out. As simple as that.
    Rohit like Iyer is based in Mumbai, besides his brother in law Bunty Sajdeh manages Kohli's endorsement deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Rohit like Iyer is based in Mumbai, besides his brother in law Bunty Sajdeh manages Kohli's endorsement deals.
    Oh man,Desis and their conspiracy theories.But where is this earth-shattering performance of Rahul in ODIs? He has failed whenever given a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Oh man,Desis and their conspiracy theories.But where is this earth-shattering performance of Rahul in ODIs? He has failed whenever given a chance.
    Has he been given a consistent run? How was Sachin like in ODIs in the 1st few years? How was Kohli in his 1st couple of years? Rahul has been given chances but like 2-3 games and then dropped for the next 5, if they give him 12-15 continuous matches and he doesn't make any impact, then we can discard him. Instead guys like Manish Pandey, Iyer, Karthik, Rahane are being given a long rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    You know you have lost the argument where all you are left with is SR
    T20 is all about strike rate. 33 of 20 balls is far better than 50 of 40 balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I think KL Rahul is himself is posting under the name of @Rahul1..... no sane individual will think some unknown minnow basher in IPL is better than Babar Azam


    @Usman Chadda
    Hypocrisy. The same Indian fans have whined to their heart's content in that Pandya v Faheem thread. KL Rahul doesn't find a place in this Indian team, which has world beaters like a past it Dhoni, Jadhav and Pandey in their middle-order. How on earth can he be comparable to Babar, who is an accomplished international batsman. Atleast Faheem is a consistent fixture in the Pakistan team right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    T20 is all about strike rate. 33 of 20 balls is far better than 50 of 40 balls.
    Babar's 50 off 40 balls wins Pakistan matches. Watch his innings against the Kiwis in the 2nd T20 earlier this year. Perfect example of what Babar Azam does and what makes him one of the better T20 batsmen in the world. You don't need to be a powerhouse like ABD, Maxwell, Warner etc to be a successful T20 bat.

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    Why does Babar need to score 50 off 25 balls in t20s when his 50 off 35 win Pakistan matches. Since World t20 2016, Pakistan haven't lost a single t20 series and Babar has played a big part in it. I will always take team wins and Babar is doing fine.
    Last edited by Kroll; 17th May 2018 at 18:09.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    So you actually believe that a glorified ftb like babar isa better t-20 batsman than Finch, Maxwell, Kohli , Munro and Hales etc. Well done.

    Have fun drooling at the mediocre 24 averaging ftb. I don't have any wish to engage with you either.
    Stop running from discussions when you fail to prove your point.

    Either admit you are wrong or don’t make absurd claims.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Babar's 50 off 40 balls wins Pakistan matches. Watch his innings against the Kiwis in the 2nd T20 earlier this year. Perfect example of what Babar Azam does and what makes him one of the better T20 batsmen in the world. You don't need to be a powerhouse like ABD, Maxwell, Warner etc to be a successful T20 bat.
    Good you didn’t mention those games he won against mighty Windies team in Pak recently and also the great world 11 that toured pak last year.

    I would pick Abdv, kohli, Rahul, Warner,etc over Babar any day. I have been telling this for a while. He is one of the harmless t20 players I have seen. I don’t mind him playing in the opponent team. he will make sure his team doesn’t score anything over 170 on flat tracks. He would play 60 balls and score well made 75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    Good you didn’t mention those games he won against mighty Windies team in Pak recently and also the great world 11 that toured pak last year.

    I would pick Abdv, kohli, Rahul, Warner,etc over Babar any day. I have been telling this for a while. He is one of the harmless t20 players I have seen. I don’t mind him playing in the opponent team. he will make sure his team doesn’t score anything over 170 on flat tracks. He would play 60 balls and score well made 75.
    Lowest dot ball percentage as a T20 batsman. Powerhouse batters have their place in T20 cricket, while players like Babar have their own place. Specially in a team like Pakistan. Babar wins his country matches, which is what he plays for and is rated for. You would never have him in your team, since he is a Pakistani cricketer. So whatever you want flies out of the window anyway.

    Also, I see this thread has gone from Rahul vs Babar to ABD, Kohli, Warner etc vs Babar in quite a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Lowest dot ball percentage as a T20 batsman. Powerhouse batters have their place in T20 cricket, while players like Babar have their own place. Specially in a team like Pakistan. Babar wins his country matches, which is what he plays for and is rated for. You would never have him in your team, since he is a Pakistani cricketer. So whatever you want flies out of the window anyway.

    Also, I see this thread has gone from Rahul vs Babar to ABD, Kohli, Warner etc vs Babar in quite a short time.
    He won matches because he has hardly played against teams like India, Aus, sa and eng. I would love to see him in pak team every time we play against Pak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    He won matches because he has hardly played against teams like India, Aus, sa and eng. I would love to see him in pak team every time we play against Pak.
    I'm sure you would. Do remember who Fakhar had for support when he was speed blitzing your world-class spinners all over the park in the CT final. Babar made a quiet 46 and kept the scoreboard ticking along nicely until Hafeez came. Babar recently scored well against NZ in NZ, who are no slouch in T20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I'm sure you would. Do remember who Fakhar had for support when he was speed blitzing your world-class spinners all over the park in the CT final. Babar made a quiet 46 and kept the scoreboard ticking along nicely until Hafeez came. Babar recently scored well against NZ in NZ, who are no slouch in T20s.
    We are talking about T20, you shifted it to ODI, that too, one off game to suit your argument. What happened to his matchwinning innings in NZ ODI series or in Aus where he made sure he scored his selfish 100 on a flat pancake chasing 350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    We are talking about T20, you shifted it to ODI, that too, one off game to suit your argument. What happened to his matchwinning innings in NZ ODI series or in Aus where he made sure he scored his selfish 100 on a flat pancake chasing 350.
    I brought up that ODI because the current Pakistan team hasn't played a T20I against India in recent times.

    Did you watch that 'selfish' 100? I'm certain you didn't, so don't talk about stuff you have absolutely no knowledge of. Don't believe everything you read here, since certain posters have clear agendas against a few players. That 100 wasn't as bad as its made out to be at all, in context. You are clutching at straws to prove Babar is not good, as if Rahul has performed in every series he has played. If that was the case he wouldn't find himself out of the Indian team with a poor middle-order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I brought up that ODI because the current Pakistan team hasn't played a T20I against India in recent times.

    Did you watch that 'selfish' 100? I'm certain you didn't, so don't talk about stuff you have absolutely no knowledge of. Don't believe everything you read here, since certain posters have clear agendas against a few players. That 100 wasn't as bad as its made out to be at all, in context. You are clutching at straws to prove Babar is not good, as if Rahul has performed in every series he has played. If that was the case he wouldn't find himself out of the Indian team with a poor middle-order.
    That’s why I said he hardly played against top teams hence you need to take his stats with pinch of salt, rather than including his ODI one off game to prove he is a top player in t20 format.

    Yes I watched that game and I know how he played until he scored his first 60 odd runs. When req run rate was well over 9, he was taking singles and that too many dot balls in between, he was playing on 70 strike rate on a flattest wicket.

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    Rahul is technical more correct than Babar and has more range of strokes.Babar is more consistent in ODIs and that is his biggest plus.

    You cannot dismiss his 7 100s but looking at his first class average he looks a very poor test batsman and his stats in odis will come down as he plays more tough opponents and games.

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    This is going to turn out like those Babar vs Chand discussions, Rahul will fade away while Babar will go from being one of the best in the world to the best batsman in the world.

    Currently:

    Test Cricket: Babar = Rahul
    ODI Cricket: Babar > Rahul
    T20 Cricket: Babar > Rahul

    Babar needs a good series in England to pull ahead in tests as well. For all we know, Kohli will continue playing Dhawan and Rohit over Rahul in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This is going to turn out like those Babar vs Chand discussions, Rahul will fade away while Babar will go from being one of the best in the world to the best batsman in the world.

    Currently:

    Test Cricket: Babar = Rahul
    ODI Cricket: Babar > Rahul
    T20 Cricket: Babar > Rahul

    Babar needs a good series in England to pull ahead in tests as well. For all we know, Kohli will continue playing Dhawan and Rohit over Rahul in tests.
    How is Babar same as Rahul in Test? How is Babar better than Rahul in T20?

    I can also say Rahul is better than any batsman Pakistan has, if I don’t have to backup my statement with anything.
    Last edited by Send1983; 17th May 2018 at 20:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    This is going to turn out like those Babar vs Chand discussions, Rahul will fade away while Babar will go from being one of the best in the world to the best batsman in the world.

    Currently:

    Test Cricket: Babar = Rahul
    ODI Cricket: Babar > Rahul
    T20 Cricket: Babar > Rahul

    Babar needs a good series in England to pull ahead in tests as well. For all we know, Kohli will continue playing Dhawan and Rohit over Rahul in tests.
    More like Umar Akmal vs Kohli. Where babar is umar and KL is Kohli, obviously. Babar might be better for Pakistanis right now, but one year from now on, the only place Babar's name will be mentioned will be in the 'where are they now' and 'forgotten cricketers' thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    That’s why I said he hardly played against top teams hence you need to take his stats with pinch of salt, rather than including his ODI one off game to prove he is a top player in t20 format.

    Yes I watched that game and I know how he played until he scored his first 60 odd runs. When req run rate was well over 9, he was taking singles and that too many dot balls in between, he was playing on 70 strike rate on a flattest wicket.
    When did I use an ODI to prove hes a top T20 player? You mentioned you would be happy with Babar in the opposition, I just gave you an example of his effective ability when he last played India. Babar's recent T20 performances are more than enough to prove he's a top T20 player. NZ is a top team and he did well against them recently, in New Zealand.

    Right, did you know he had to play that way since Sharjeel was going all guns blazing at the other end. Furthermore, Pakistan had Rizwan and Akmal as the only specialist batsmen to come. The tail was ridicously long. The impetus never came once Sharjeel went and Babar's power game leaves a lot to be desired even now. Pakistan was never chasing down that total with that rubbish batting line-up. Babar did very well to keep it together, until he absolutely had to go and perished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    More like Umar Akmal vs Kohli. Where babar is umar and KL is Kohli, obviously. Babar might be better for Pakistanis right now, but one year from now on, the only place Babar's name will be mentioned will be in the 'where are they now' and 'forgotten cricketers' thread.
    Still better than Rahul, who's already in the 'where are they now' bin for people who are not Indians

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    If Babar fulfills his potential, Rahul will not be able to match him.

    He is the most complete batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

    Loving these entirely arbitrary statements.
    Even if Babar Fullfills his potential then also he is not good enuf to be part of INDIA A team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Still better than Rahul, who's already in the 'where are they now' bin for people who are not Indians
    As if anyone from outside of Pakistan cares about babar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    When did I use an ODI to prove hes a top T20 player? You mentioned you would be happy with Babar in the opposition, I just gave you an example of his effective ability when he last played India. Babar's recent T20 performances are more than enough to prove he's a top T20 player. NZ is a top team and he did well against them recently, in New Zealand.

    Right, did you know he had to play that way since Sharjeel was going all guns blazing at the other end. Furthermore, Pakistan had Rizwan and Akmal as the only specialist batsmen to come. The tail was ridicously long. The impetus never came once Sharjeel went and Babar's power game leaves a lot to be desired even now. Pakistan was never chasing down that total with that rubbish batting line-up. Babar did very well to keep it together, until he absolutely had to go and perished.
    I said happy to see him in the opposition team, here i am talking about t20 team. I dont mind him playing 60 balls. Yes he is a decent ODI batsman so far, though he has played a few selfish knocks in ODIs.

    No. sarjeel hit a few boundaries but later on both were tuk tuking as if it was a tournament and NRR needed to be protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Rohit like Iyer is based in Mumbai, besides his brother in law Bunty Sajdeh manages Kohli's endorsement deals.
    Isn't Ashwin also a South Indian? I'm not saying you're wrong but you need to offer more evidence for your theory.

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    Umar akmal vs Kohli

    Ahmed shehzad vs Kohli

    These two threads were created not too long ago. And the exact same same things which are being said now were said back then. "Umar and Shehzad are future ATGs" "Kohli is nothing in front of them" "they are the most complete batsmen in Pakistan history blah blah blah" .

    But right now, no one cares who, what or where Umar and shahzad are.

    The same thing is happening now. Every pak fan is gushing over babar, digging out stats and rankings and whatnot. But in not so distant future, no one will care about babar while Rahul will be one of the best batsman in the world while Pak fans will find some other random guy and the cycle will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Umar akmal vs Kohli

    Ahmed shehzad vs Kohli

    These two threads were created not too long ago. And the exact same same things which are being said now were said back then. "Umar and Shehzad are future ATGs" "Kohli is nothing in front of them" "they are the most complete batsmen in Pakistan history blah blah blah" .

    But right now, no one cares who, what or where Umar and shahzad are.

    The same thing is happening now. Every pak fan is gushing over babar, digging out stats and rankings and whatnot. But in not so distant future, no one will care about babar while Rahul will be one of the best batsman in the world while Pak fans will find some other random guy and the cycle will continue.
    Yes, because obviously every Indian batsman is a Kohli and every Pakistani batsman is an Umar Akmal.

    Let's forget about the Chands, Pants and the tens of other overhyped players that were supposed to take the world by storm.

    Laughable logic full of insecurity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Yes, because obviously every Indian batsman is a Kohli and every Pakistani batsman is an Umar Akmal.

    Let's forget about the Chands, Pants and the tens of other overhyped players that were supposed to take the world by storm.

    Laughable logic full of insecurity.
    First of all, no one rated Chand even at that time.

    Secondly, you're judging Pant based on what, 2-3 t-20 matches? That's ridiculous even by your standards.

    Thirdly, the only insecurity I see is from you guys, who are desperate to have a Pakistani batsman being rated as among the best in the world, but are yet to have any luck on your side in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Isn't Ashwin also a South Indian? I'm not saying you're wrong but you need to offer more evidence for your theory.
    Ashwin's days are also numbered IMO. He has lost favor with Kohli the test captain who is intent on pushing his RCB buddy cum fellow Northie Chahal in test cricket in spite of his mediocre FC stats. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64073133.cms

    Right now the immediate target happens to be Kannadiga (from Karnatka) faction. Kumble too is a Kannadiga and you saw the fallout between Kohli and Kumble last year, right? Kumble has always been a big backer of Rahul and Nair since the time he was President of KCA (Karnataka Cricket Association). Kumble in fact handed the debut to Nair against England and the latter scored a 300 in Chepauk. Since Kumble's exit we have played 3 test series (2 against Lanka, 1 against SA) and Nair wasn't even in any of the squads, we had the useless Rohit Sharma instead. Even Rahul isn't a certified starter in any of the formats. Yet Rahul has some hope because he recently joined Bunty Sajdeh's sports management company(http://cornerstone.in/) and hence may get a push. Kohli is a co owner of that company and also personally managed by Bunty. Now Bunty also happens to be Rohit Sharma's brother in law and hence he is a starter in all 3 formats and has highest contract with BCCI....he even played ahead of Rahane in the 1st 2 SA tests. The rot is too deep and conflict of interest is a serious issue for Indian cricket right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    First of all, no one rated Chand even at that time.

    Secondly, you're judging Pant based on what, 2-3 t-20 matches? That's ridiculous even by your standards.

    Thirdly, the only insecurity I see is from you guys, who are desperate to have a Pakistani batsman being rated as among the best in the world, but are yet to have any luck on your side in that regard.
    How old are you? 10? Saeed Anwar, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammad Yousuf and Zaheer Abbas have all enjoyed a period of time where they were among the best batsmen in the world, if not the best.

    Javed Miandad and Younis Khan are two of the greatest of all time and bonafide ATGs. Hanif Mohammad was arguably the greatest opener of his time.

    Therefore, your logic of every Indian batsman is a Kohli and every Pakistani batsman is an Akmal is pretty darn silly and reeks of insecurity. Don't pretend that like your pace bowlers, all of our batsmen either get derailed after the first few seasons or end up with mediocre careers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Ashwin's days are also numbered IMO. He has lost favor with Kohli the test captain who is intent on pushing his RCB buddy cum fellow Northie Chahal in test cricket in spite of his mediocre FC stats. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/64073133.cms

    Right now the immediate target happens to be Kannadiga (from Karnatka) faction. Kumble too is a Kannadiga and you saw the fallout between Kohli and Kumble last year, right? Kumble has always been a big backer of Rahul and Nair since the time he was President of KCA (Karnataka Cricket Association). Kumble in fact handed the debut to Nair against England and the latter scored a 300 in Chepauk. Since Kumble's exit we have played 3 test series (2 against Lanka, 1 against SA) and Nair wasn't even in any of the squads, we had the useless Rohit Sharma instead. Even Rahul isn't a certified starter in any of the formats. Yet Rahul has some hope because he recently joined Bunty Sajdeh's sports management company(http://cornerstone.in/) and hence may get a push. Kohli is a co owner of that company and also personally managed by Bunty. Now Bunty also happens to be Rohit Sharma's brother in law and hence he is a starter in all 3 formats and has highest contract with BCCI....he even played ahead of Rahane in the 1st 2 SA tests. The rot is too deep and conflict of interest is a serious issue for Indian cricket right now.
    Thank you, that was very informative. However, I don't think there is any agenda against South Indians in Indian cricket. Yes, some of them have been hard done by like you showed but it seems more a case of poor performance than discrimination.

    Dhoni, Kumble, Ashwin and Rohit have all featured prominently for India over the last few years.

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    Coming to the topic at hand right now Rahul is better in tests, Babar in ODIs and in T20s both more or less equal. Both have the potential to achieve great things for their nations. I don't see why fans are fighting here and mocking the achievements of these youngsters just for the sake of point scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How old are you? 10? Saeed Anwar, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammad Yousuf and Zaheer Abbas have all enjoyed a period of time where they were among the best batsmen in the world, if not the best.

    Javed Miandad and Younis Khan are two of the greatest of all time and bonafide ATGs. Hanif Mohammad was arguably the greatest opener of his time.

    Therefore, your logic of every Indian batsman is a Kohli and every Pakistani batsman is an Akmal is pretty darn silly and reeks of insecurity. Don't pretend that like your pace bowlers, all of our batsmen either get derailed after the first few seasons or end up with mediocre careers.
    Why are you getting so worked up? I am talking the current situation. Obviously you have produced some half decent batsmen in your history.

    Younis is not an ATG and you repeating it 100 times in a day like a robot is not going to change anyone's opinion on him.

    Maybe Miandad is somewhat an atg. I am not sure about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Thank you, that was very informative. However, I don't think there is any agenda against South Indians in Indian cricket. Yes, some of them have been hard done by like you showed but it seems more a case of poor performance than discrimination.

    Dhoni, Kumble, Ashwin and Rohit have all featured prominently for India over the last few years.
    Dhoni is a North Indian, he just happens to play for CSK. Rohit's parents are Telugu but he was born and brought up in Maharashtra and married to a Punjabi. Kumble, Ashwin are South Indians however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Why are you getting so worked up? I am talking the current situation. Obviously you have produced some half decent batsmen in your history.

    Younis is not an ATG and you repeating it 100 times in a day like a robot is not going to change anyone's opinion on him.

    Maybe Miandad is somewhat an atg. I am not sure about him.
    Half-decent, he says.

    Like I said, the insecurity is clear. Either that or this guy really is 10 years old. That would explain why he's "not sure" about Miandad and is no ignorant of what Khan achieved in his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Why are you getting so worked up? I am talking the current situation. Obviously you have produced some half decent batsmen in your history.

    Younis is not an ATG and you repeating it 100 times in a day like a robot is not going to change anyone's opinion on him.

    Maybe Miandad is somewhat an atg. I am not sure about him.
    Lol. Good reply to him. I have seen him mentioning this 1000 times that YK is an ATG and as good as Sachin and Lara. Not sure what he saw of Younis Khan. I agree he has a good test record and a good test batsman. But ATG is little too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Dhoni is a North Indian, he just happens to play for CSK. Rohit's parents are Telugu but he was born and brought up in Maharashtra and married to a Punjabi. Kumble, Ashwin are South Indians however.
    I always though Dhoni was a South Indian. He has the look and speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Half-decent, he says.

    Like I said, the insecurity is clear. Either that or this guy really is 10 years old. That would explain why he's "not sure" about Miandad and is no ignorant of what Khan achieved in his career.
    Non sense, 10 yr old, insecured, etc

    You need a break dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Half-decent, he says.

    Like I said, the insecurity is clear. Either that or this guy really is 10 years old. That would explain why he's "not sure" about Miandad and is no ignorant of what Khan achieved in his career.
    half decent
    adjective UK ​ /ˌhɑːf ˈdiː.sənt/ US ​ /ˌhćf ˈdiː.sənt/ informal

    quite good or skilled
    What's wrong in saying that Inzamam and Anwar were quite good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    What's wrong in saying that Inzamam and Anwar were quite good?
    Calling someone or something "half-decent" is a back-handed compliment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I always though Dhoni was a South Indian. He has the look and speech.
    OK, may be also his CSK stint may confuse non Indians. His parents are originally from Uttarakhand (Himalayan State) but migrated to erstwhile Bihar (now Jharkhand).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Calling someone or something "half-decent" is a back-handed compliment.
    Not really. I'm genuinely a big fan of Saeed Anwar and think that he is a massive underachiever. He had the ability to became a genuine ATG in both formats of the game.

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    Miandad is not an atg, inzi, Saeed, younis etc were decent lool. A lot of insecurity. If they are decent then can you guys name 100s of indian batsmens who are better then them. I am sure it will be easy as these one were decent.

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    KL is even ahead of Kohli in T20s and Babar, with his limited strokes, is a poor version of Kohli. Strike rates are one of the most important factors in T20s.

    In Test cricket, KL is easily one of the top 3 Indian batsmen and Babar doesn't even come close.

    So that's 2 out of 3 formats, if Rahul can perform in Tests and T20s, it's only a matter of time before he can replicate the same in ODIs. Babar is a talented batsman but unfortunately, he's being compared to India's next superstar in-making, who may very well go on to surpass Sachin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    KL is even ahead of Kohli in T20s and Babar, with his limited strokes, is a poor version of Kohli. Strike rates are one of the most important factors in T20s.

    In Test cricket, KL is easily one of the top 3 Indian batsmen and Babar doesn't even come close.

    So that's 2 out of 3 formats, if Rahul can perform in Tests and T20s, it's only a matter of time before he can replicate the same in ODIs. Babar is a talented batsman but unfortunately, he's being compared to India's next superstar in-making, who may very well go on to surpass Sachin.
    How on earth is KL Rahul ahead of Kohli in T20s?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    How on earth is KL Rahul ahead of Kohli in T20s?
    He has a much better strike rate because of his superior six hitting ability. He is similar to AB but only he will be playing as an opener for India.
    Last edited by Balthazar; 18th May 2018 at 03:52.

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    Rahul is the next superstar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    He has a much better strike rate because of his superior six hitting ability. He is similar to AB but only he will be playing as an opener for India.
    So he's a better T20 bat because he can hit more 6s?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    So he's a better T20 bat because he can hit more 6s?
    Which one sounds better in T20s? 3 fours in an over or 3 sixes? Batting at a strikerate of 135 or 160?

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    This thread's gonna go 100 pages.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How old are you? 10? Saeed Anwar, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohammad Yousuf and Zaheer Abbas have all enjoyed a period of time where they were among the best batsmen in the world, if not the best.

    Javed Miandad and Younis Khan are two of the greatest of all time and bonafide ATGs. Hanif Mohammad was arguably the greatest opener of his time.

    Therefore, your logic of every Indian batsman is a Kohli and every Pakistani batsman is an Akmal is pretty darn silly and reeks of insecurity. Don't pretend that like your pace bowlers, all of our batsmen either get derailed after the first few seasons or end up with mediocre careers.
    Hah... How you people will be pinched if we even mention Kapil, Srinath, Kumble, Zaheer, etc, even under Akram, Waqar, Imran, Saqlain let alone calling them ATGs, they are not even fit for subordinate roles according to you... But Inzamam, Anwar, Younis Khan become certified ATGs sometimes even better than Sachin, Gavaskar, Dravid, Kohli...

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    I can just recollect the funny posts in Kohli vs. Umar Akmal thread, still I remember those. How they used to boast Umar and ridicule Kohli as next FTB... Then slowly (when Kohli blossomed and U... vanished) Kohli gets compared with ABD, further (as he improves further) he gets compared to Sachin and even Vivian! So funny isn't it? So I am going to pop out 10 to 13th Page of this thread, when people start expecting new things from Rahul & if Babar still exists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    I can just recollect the funny posts in Kohli vs. Umar Akmal thread, still I remember those. How they used to boast Umar and ridicule Kohli as next FTB... Then slowly (when Kohli blossomed and U... vanished) Kohli gets compared with ABD, further (as he improves further) he gets compared to Sachin and even Vivian! So funny isn't it? So I am going to pop out 10 to 13th Page of this thread, when people start expecting new things from Rahul & if Babar still exists!
    I bet you will see thread like who is better between Rahul and Kohli. I bet Rahul is as good as kohli if not better, you will see it.

    There are folks here who still feel kohli is a FTB and not a great player. So can’t do anything with such delusional folks.

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    That's why I tell it is stupidity to compare Indian team with Pakistani team (and hence players from either sides). Rahul would have been a permanent fixture in Test Cricket (he already is) had he not aspired for ODI/T20 (I am sure he would have been in lot better frame of mind in South Africa). And he is suited for opener job, he should not be forced to play in the middle order just because there is vacancy there. As people keep telling that India has poor middle order as of now, well its a temporary phase, its going to get sorted out soon... We also had problem at the top order as well after Sehwag, Sachin & Gambhir faded away. That's what led to Rohit becoming an opener... Now people tell we have strong top order... Even we are furious about selectors for not picking our favorites. But later we do realize that all this leads to the improvement of the player (we believe Rahul is a lot improved now and mentally tough compared to what he was even in IPL 2016...!)

    These internal issues are unique to India, and in Pakistan's case all these don't exist. I can say even somebody like Murali Vijay or Rahane will be permanent opener for Pakistan LOI team! These two can really accelerate & play freely for Pakistani standards (they don't have the personal pressure of competition), also as normally their bowlers will restrict the opponents for lower scores, or actually it is because Pakistan play a lot of their matches in UAE (slow pitches) and they enjoy success against fearsome opponents like WI, Srilanka, Bangladesh.... (On the other hand India send their B, C, teams & experiment, and get ridiculed for that here on PP if they slip!)

    If this ploy fails (as a last resort), Pakistanis will bring up the stats from 80s & 90s (overall record) without remaining humble like WI who had even brutal records... So please for god sake stop these X vs. Y player comparisons, otherwise PP is a wonderful & best Cricket Forum! Such comparisons will just result in finger pointing and self boasting, doing nothing to highlight any player's performance!

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    What a thread!

    As things stand, only looking at international career.

    In tests: Rahul > Babar
    In ODIs: Rahul <<< Babar
    In T20Is: Rahul < Babar

    So Babar is ahead, but not by a significant amount.

    Unlike what most Indians claim, Rahul is not ahead of Babar.
    Unlike what most Pakistanis claim, Babar is not in another league than Rahul.
    Babar is better, but not a lot.

    Now, what Rahul has done in IPL does not necessarily translate into international success. As of potential, Rahul could become India's 2nd greatest opener. So, thats a significant amount of potential. But if potential meant success than Amir would have been someone in track for ATG by now, and he is just a good bowler. Nothing more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    What a thread!

    As things stand, only looking at international career.

    In tests: Rahul > Babar
    In ODIs: Rahul <<< Babar
    In T20Is: Rahul < Babar

    So Babar is ahead, but not by a significant amount.

    Unlike what most Indians claim, Rahul is not ahead of Babar.
    Unlike what most Pakistanis claim, Babar is not in another league than Rahul.
    Babar is better, but not a lot.

    Now, what Rahul has done in IPL does not necessarily translate into international success. As of potential, Rahul could become India's 2nd greatest opener. So, thats a significant amount of potential. But if potential meant success than Amir would have been someone in track for ATG by now, and he is just a good bowler. Nothing more than that.
    Completely Agree with this and especially the bold part.Not sure why people are going to extreme ends by trying to prove Babar>>>>Rahul or Rahul>>>>>Babar.Rahul is arguably the best young talent in world cricket but all he needs is some good consistent performance for India.If Rahul does that(which he certainly can),Then he is most likely going to surpass Babar and we won't argue against it.

    If rahul scores 1000 runs in this season and completely fails in England series then nobody would care abiut his IPL performance.Similarly if Rahul performs brilliantly in England and completely fails in IPL,then also his IPL performance would be irrelevant.Only Good thing about his IPL performance is that it will further solidify his place in Indian side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
    Completely Agree with this and especially the bold part.Not sure why people are going to extreme ends by trying to prove Babar>>>>Rahul or Rahul>>>>>Babar.Rahul is arguably the best young talent in world cricket but all he needs is some good consistent performance for India.If Rahul does that(which he certainly can),Then he is most likely going to surpass Babar and we won't argue against it.

    If rahul scores 1000 runs in this season and completely fails in England series then nobody would care abiut his IPL performance.Similarly if Rahul performs brilliantly in England and completely fails in IPL,then also his IPL performance would be irrelevant.Only Good thing about his IPL performance is that it will further solidify his place in Indian side.
    No issues... But IPL is as close to International cricket as it gets, Pakistan don't have that luxury. Pakistanis will value IPL performances once Pakistanis take part in it and start performing (as in earlier years). If Rahul performs in only IPL and keeps failing in International Cricket, so be it... Even we won't appreciate such mental midgets... His IPL performance only gives hopes for us that he is going to achieve big things in international cricket, because that's the closest exposure he can get! Also it is not that he has done nothing in international cricket so far... So let's wait... That's why I tell please don't start such threads comparing people when they are actually moving in completely different lanes... Pakistanis find happiness comparing players when they are just blossoming (that's the only time they can do probably), and escape later on (and start new comparisons, higher level comparisons and go up to Vivian Richards & Bradmon, and conveniently forget their players then) And Indians are not cynical & lenient on their players actually, we have adverse & severe critics of somebody like Rohit for his inconsistency & weaknesses, but Pakistanis would play him until 60 years praising his unbelievable double hundreds all along! Similarly we have often expressed our restlessness about even Rahul...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    What a thread!

    As things stand, only looking at international career.

    In tests: Rahul > Babar
    In ODIs: Rahul <<< Babar
    In T20Is: Rahul < Babar

    So Babar is ahead, but not by a significant amount.

    Unlike what most Indians claim, Rahul is not ahead of Babar.
    Unlike what most Pakistanis claim, Babar is not in another league than Rahul.
    Babar is better, but not a lot.

    Now, what Rahul has done in IPL does not necessarily translate into international success. As of potential, Rahul could become India's 2nd greatest opener. So, thats a significant amount of potential. But if potential meant success than Amir would have been someone in track for ATG by now, and he is just a good bowler. Nothing more than that.
    Let's stand up and give this guy a round of applause.

    Heartening to see an Indian with balanced, unbiased views.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Square Drive View Post
    Let's stand up and give this guy a round of applause.

    Heartening to see an Indian with balanced, unbiased views.
    Lots of Indians in this thread have agreed that Babbar is ahead in ODIs

    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    In ODIs, I would take Babar over any batsman except Kohli and Dhawan right now. Rahul is yet to showcase any degree of consistency in ODI cricket. A comparison with Babar is not even justified at this stage, such is the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    What a thread!

    As things stand, only looking at international career.

    In tests: Rahul > Babar
    In ODIs: Rahul <<< Babar
    In T20Is: Rahul < Babar

    So Babar is ahead, but not by a significant amount.

    Unlike what most Indians claim, Rahul is not ahead of Babar.
    Unlike what most Pakistanis claim, Babar is not in another league than Rahul.
    Babar is better, but not a lot.

    Now, what Rahul has done in IPL does not necessarily translate into international success. As of potential, Rahul could become India's 2nd greatest opener. So, thats a significant amount of potential. But if potential meant success than Amir would have been someone in track for ATG by now, and he is just a good bowler. Nothing more than that.
    Rahul is ahead of Babar in t-20s and I don't care what any stats or rankings suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Lots of Indians in this thread have agreed that Babbar is ahead in ODIs
    Missed that post of yours. I rate it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    What a thread!

    As things stand, only looking at international career.

    In tests: Rahul > Babar
    In ODIs: Rahul <<< Babar
    In T20Is: Rahul < Babar

    So Babar is ahead, but not by a significant amount.

    Unlike what most Indians claim, Rahul is not ahead of Babar.
    Unlike what most Pakistanis claim, Babar is not in another league than Rahul.
    Babar is better, but not a lot.

    Now, what Rahul has done in IPL does not necessarily translate into international success. As of potential, Rahul could become India's 2nd greatest opener. So, thats a significant amount of potential. But if potential meant success than Amir would have been someone in track for ATG by now, and he is just a good bowler. Nothing more than that.
    Its funny comparing someone who can't find a place in India's rubbish middle-order to one of the better ODI batsman in modern day cricket. I don't think saying XYZ is in another league to ABC is true for any comparison between middling players in international cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Its funny comparing someone who can't find a place in India's rubbish middle-order to one of the better ODI batsman in modern day cricket. I don't think saying XYZ is in another league to ABC is true for any comparison between middling players in international cricket.
    Babar is ahead of Rahul in ODIs and T20Is in pretty much the same way Umar Akmal was ahead of Kohli in the first few pages of THAT legendary thread. Do not have any illusions on how this thread will end up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    Hah... How you people will be pinched if we even mention Kapil, Srinath, Kumble, Zaheer, etc, even under Akram, Waqar, Imran, Saqlain let alone calling them ATGs, they are not even fit for subordinate roles according to you... But Inzamam, Anwar, Younis Khan become certified ATGs sometimes even better than Sachin, Gavaskar, Dravid, Kohli...
    No, I won't be "pinched" if you do something like that, I'll simply laugh. None of Dev, Zaheer or Srinath were better bowlers than Inzamam, Anwar, Abbas and Yousuf were batters. Let's not even talk about Miandad and Younis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No, I won't be "pinched" if you do something like that, I'll simply laugh. None of Dev, Zaheer or Srinath were better bowlers than Inzamam, Anwar, Abbas and Yousuf were batters. Let's not even talk about Miandad and Younis.
    You can live in that delusion forever. Its better to talk about current (and future) Pakistani batsmen & bowlers as separate without comparing with Indian counterparts... That becomes a laughing stock later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No, I won't be "pinched" if you do something like that, I'll simply laugh. None of Dev, Zaheer or Srinath were better bowlers than Inzamam, Anwar, Abbas and Yousuf were batters. Let's not even talk about Miandad and Younis.
    Why not? Just in case you didn't know , MoYo averages in the 20s and 30s in as many as four countries. And Zaheer abbas in three countries. What is so special in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Babar is ahead of Rahul in ODIs and T20Is in pretty much the same way Umar Akmal was ahead of Kohli in the first few pages of THAT legendary thread. Do not have any illusions on how this thread will end up.
    Nah, big difference. Kohli was in the Indian team at the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Nah, big difference. Kohli was in the Indian team at the time
    Wrong again. Kohli was not a test regular when THAT legendary thread took life. On the other hand, presently, Rahul is part of starting XI in all three formats. Keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Wrong again. Kohli was not a test regular when THAT legendary thread took life. On the other hand, presently, Rahul is part of starting XI in all three formats. Keep up.
    I guess the recent Indian tour of South Africa happened in an alternate reality? Rahul played 2 out of 3 tests. Did not play the ODIs and T20s. 'Keep up'

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Wrong again. Kohli was not a test regular when THAT legendary thread took life. On the other hand, presently, Rahul is part of starting XI in all three formats. Keep up.
    Hell Rahul wasn't even played in the starting XI in the Nidahas Trophy and was drafted in after two matches in a weakened Indian side

    And here I believed Indian fans when they said it was Kohli's politics that kept him out of the side. Seems you lot don't know much either.

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    The fact is that in the present world IPL is the biggest cricket competition in which the very best players of the world give their best. They give their best as otherwise they would not get the multi-million dollar contracts next year.

    And in the biggest league, Rahul is the #1 batsman. Nothing more needs to be said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    The fact is that in the present world IPL is the biggest cricket competition in which the very best players of the world give their best. They give their best as otherwise they would not get the multi-million dollar contracts next year.

    And in the biggest league, Rahul is the #1 batsman. Nothing more needs to be said.
    It is a nothing league because Babar & Zaheer Abbas have not played in it. Also Pakistan's premier fast bowlers from past, present, future, past participle should be the only bowlers bowling and IPL bowlers (including foreigners) are trundlers by default!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    It is a nothing league because Babar & Zaheer Abbas have not played in it. Also Pakistan's premier fast bowlers from past, present, future, past participle should be the only bowlers bowling and IPL bowlers (including foreigners) are trundlers by default!
    Laughable how IPL is now a barometer for success at international level. Please stop embarrassing yourselves further. If KL Rahul is really as good as he's made out to be, he will prove it eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Laughable how IPL is now a barometer for success at international level. Please stop embarrassing yourselves further. If KL Rahul is really as good as he's made out to be, he will prove it eventually.
    That's what even we are telling, he will prove it. Until then lets not compare players and get embarrassed later on as it happened before

    And IPL is slowly & surely getting merged with International Cricket. It is called premier league for some reasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Laughable how IPL is now a barometer for success at international level. Please stop embarrassing yourselves further. If KL Rahul is really as good as he's made out to be, he will prove it eventually.
    Deal with it. IPL is the best and quality is better than international T20 games. Teams don't take t20I series seroously. They rest their top players. Maybe WC games are better in quality but apart from WC, other games are so low in quality, no intensity, lots of dead rubbers, etc.


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