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    As much as I love Babar, Lokesh will end up a much better batsman because of the fact that he bats with a strong batting team and has more facilities and expert batting coaches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    Interested to hear @Mamoon 's thoughts
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    Has your opinion changed yet or not?
    KL Rahul is a more complete batsman. He can do everything that Babar can but he has an extra gear that Babar doesn't possess. He is the most complete batsman than India has produced since Kohli. So far he has been struggling in ODIs but the chances of him failing in ODIs in the long run are as low as the chances of Babar failing in Tests. Both batsmen are too gifted to fail in any format.

    India needs to be patient with him and give him a consistent run in ODIs either as an opener or a number four. He will deliver. However, Babar has a big head-start over him in ODIs so he may never match his statistics, just like Babar might struggle to match his statistics in Test cricket.

    In T20s, he is better than Babar because of his much superior hitting ability. Overall, ODI is the only format where Babar can be realistically better than him in the long run.

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    Potentially, I feel Lokesh Rahul is greater than even fab 4.

    He needs to figure how to play ODIs (he is good in tests and T20s) and once he really hits his stride, he could do some crazy stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    KL Rahul is a more complete batsman. He can do everything that Babar can but he has an extra gear that Babar doesn't possess. He is the most complete batsman than India has produced since Kohli. So far he has been struggling in ODIs but the chances of him failing in ODIs in the long run are as low as the chances of Babar failing in Tests. Both batsmen are too gifted to fail in any format.

    India needs to be patient with him and give him a consistent run in ODIs either as an opener or a number four. He will deliver. However, Babar has a big head-start over him in ODIs so he may never match his statistics, just like Babar might struggle to match his statistics in Test cricket.

    In T20s, he is better than Babar because of his much superior hitting ability. Overall, ODI is the only format where Babar can be realistically better than him in the long run.
    KL Rahul vs Kohli on completeness?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    That would make williamsom, root and smith all better than Kohli wouldn't it?
    Even though Kohli has been doing as good as if not better than William and Root.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    KL Rahul vs Kohli on completeness?
    In terms of completeness there isn't much between the two, but obviously Kohli's mental game is his biggest asset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    KL Rahul is a more complete batsman. He can do everything that Babar can but he has an extra gear that Babar doesn't possess. He is the most complete batsman than India has produced since Kohli. So far he has been struggling in ODIs but the chances of him failing in ODIs in the long run are as low as the chances of Babar failing in Tests. Both batsmen are too gifted to fail in any format.

    India needs to be patient with him and give him a consistent run in ODIs either as an opener or a number four. He will deliver. However, Babar has a big head-start over him in ODIs so he may never match his statistics, just like Babar might struggle to match his statistics in Test cricket.

    In T20s, he is better than Babar because of his much superior hitting ability. Overall, ODI is the only format where Babar can be realistically better than him in the long run.
    And what do u make of the age factor, don't u believe 23-26 are very crucial years in the development of a young batsman and Babar's game would have improved significantly in 3-4 years IA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    And what do u make of the age factor, don't u believe 23-26 are very crucial years in the development of a young batsman and Babar's game would have improved significantly in 3-4 years IA?
    Rahul is also young. He is only 2 years older than Babar and 2 years isn't much of an advantage. Yes it is possible that Rahul might lose his way but the same is true for Babar. However, talented Indian batsmen don't generally lose their way. However, Babar can definitely improve his strike rotation.

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    Babar clearly ahead now.

    As of now

    KL Rahul >>> Babar in Tests
    KL Rahul <<<<<<<<<<< Babar in ODIs
    KL Rahul > Babar in T20I s

    Overall, Babar is ahead. But Rahul needs to be given a long run in ODIs. He can really make it big.

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    Rahul needs to get his act right.

    If not, he might become a test specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
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    Babar is ahead in LOI's and comfortably. Rahul doesn't even make the Indian xi in LOI's over Manish Pandey and Jadhav.

    Babar has 800 more international runs, is 2 years younger, is in the top 10 in 2 formats and averages 58 in his best format which is outstanding whereas KL averages 44 in his best format. These are also the onlytwo formats where both players have a fairly large sample size.

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    Rahul also averages 8 in ODI's excluding Zimbabwe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    Rahul also averages 8 in ODI's excluding Zimbabwe.
    Also despite the fact that it seems like Rahul is in a purple patch his last international hundred was last ages ago against England whilst whenever Babar is in form he makes the most of it by scoring consecutive hundreds

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    i will take Babar over Rahul...i mean if i have to take it for all formats,

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    Who is Lokesh Rahul? A nobody.

    Time to start comparing Babar with De Cock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Who is Lokesh Rahul? A nobody.

    Time to start comparing Babar with De Cock.
    A nobody in LOI. Has been good in tests. Vice Versa with Babar but Babar is far ahead.

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    Who is Lokesh Rahul?

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    Someone who is considered good enough to find a place in Indian batting line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htariq25 View Post
    Who is Lokesh Rahul?
    A batsman who is ranked currently ranked higher than every Pakistani batsman in Test Cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Who is Lokesh Rahul? A nobody.

    Time to start comparing Babar with De Cock.
    The nobody is ranked higher than every pakistani batsman in test rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The nobody is ranked higher than every pakistani batsman in test rankings.
    setting ducks when it is swinging even against srilankans,taking nothing away from his previous performances.

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    Babar is a poor man's Jonathan Trott

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    Apparently he is not a sitting duck in swinging conditions.

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    Wait for the inevitable reference to his innings in NZ.

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    Both excel in different formats. I think KLR has the game to excel in the one dayers. He may not play the construction role that Babar plays. Rightnow Kohli thinks Rahul is not suited in the middle order for whatever reasons. KLR has lot of room for improvement in Tests. He just doesn't convert the starts he is getting.

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    KL rahul will be Indian version of warner+slater. Has temparament issues, cannot control fishing outside/on off, goes for too many strokes in test match format. But when he gets on, he would be a solid starter. I think he would finish his career in the 45-46 category which is quite good for an Indian opening batsman, after the great Gavaskar and the dashing Sehwag. Babar I do not think will be suitable for test format for 1-2 years more by which time he will be mature in international cricket to control his strokes and I think Babar will be like this generation right handed saeed anwar for Pakistan, very good in ODIs, good-avg in tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    setting ducks when it is swinging even against srilankans,taking nothing away from his previous performances.
    if anything KL all through his career has been known for his knocks in tough conditions . I wudnt be too worried about one or two bad knocks . He just needs to stop playing tests like T20s , especially early on . He will be a 50+ avg batsmen in 12-18 months .

    All assuming Virat dosent drop him for Dhawan


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    Quote Originally Posted by jusarrived View Post
    if anything KL all through his career has been known for his knocks in tough conditions . I wudnt be too worried about one or two bad knocks . He just needs to stop playing tests like T20s , especially early on . He will be a 50+ avg batsmen in 12-18 months .

    All assuming Virat dosent drop him for Dhawan
    potential is there,dhawan is nothing to do in tests,vijay should compnay him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    A batsman who is ranked currently ranked higher than every Pakistani batsman in Test Cricket.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this cracked me up. A nobody like Rahul is better than azhar, asad etc. Azhar Ali has a double in a boxing day test, a triple in a day night test and a century in England. Asad has centuries in England, south Africa and Australia. Our young players like Haris and Salahuddin will be world beaters.
    Rahul barely makes the indian team and you think he is better than any1 in Pakistan?
    Rubbish post but I'm not surprised because your a typical deluded indian who thinks their players are the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Babar is a poor man's Jonathan Trott
    Rahul is a poor man's Sabbir Rahman

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The nobody is ranked higher than every pakistani batsman in test rankings.
    LOL. This sitting duck is barely as good as our number 7 batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htariq25 View Post
    LOL. This sitting duck is barely as good as our number 7 batsman.
    KL Rahul is a better batsman than everyone in that Pakistani line up whose name isnt Azhar Ali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    KL Rahul is a better batsman than everyone in that Pakistani line up whose name isnt Azhar Ali.
    He is better than Azhar too. A far more complete batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is better than Azhar too. A far more complete batsman.
    Azhar Ali is a world class test opener who does his job perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is better than Azhar too. A far more complete batsman.
    KL will surpass Azhar but as of now Azhar is the better test player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htariq25 View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this cracked me up. A nobody like Rahul is better than azhar, asad etc. Azhar Ali has a double in a boxing day test, a triple in a day night test and a century in England. Asad has centuries in England, south Africa and Australia. Our young players like Haris and Salahuddin will be world beaters.
    Rahul barely makes the indian team and you think he is better than any1 in Pakistan?
    Rubbish post but I'm not surprised because your a typical deluded indian who thinks their players are the best in the world.
    The irony of you calling someone deluded seems to be lost on you.

    Shafiq is a mediocre player, and fluke, inconsequantial hundreds in XYZ countries donít mean anything.

    He scored the hundred in SA on a slow pitch where the Chucker ran riot. We would have won that Test had our management played two spinners. It was a proper UAE style wicket.

    The hundred in Australia came at a time when he was under no pressure. The match was already lost and he played with freedom. As soon as things got tight, he choked as expected.

    He has played nearly 40+ Tests in the UAE and he has been a below par batsman. Canít dominate an attack and radiates no confidence and authority. Highly inconsistent as well.

    Reserve Indian Test batsmen like Rohit are much better than him. Give him numerous chances on flat UAE wickets and he will blow Shafiq out of the water.

    Shafiq would not have played a single Test for India. Salahuddin is a decent batsman but batsmen better than him are in every nook and corner of India.

    For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.

    Haris is a good batsman by our standards, but then again, he is nothing special by Indian standards; none of our batsmen are.

    Please donít embarrass yourself and others by comparing Indian batsmen to ours. They had, have and always will have far superior batsmen than us.

    They have a tremendous batting culture and know how to develop their batsmen.

    Azhar is the only good Test batsman Pakistan have at the moment, but he is overrated as well. Absolutely no impact and a stroke-less wonder. His runs rarely puts the team in match-winning positions.

    KL Rahul is the most talented upcoming opener in Tests. He is a complete batsman who will become more consistent with experience. Heís a thousand times better than Shehzad, Masood, Hafeez, Sami and heís better than Azhar as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Azhar Ali is a world class test opener who does his job perfectly.
    He is not world class. A good batsman with serious limitations that would prevent his team from winning many games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    KL will surpass Azhar but as of now Azhar is the better test player.
    Azhar has better temperament so far, which KL Rahul will develop over time. All Indian batsmen do.

    Other than that, he is superior in all facets of batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is not world class. A good batsman with serious limitations that would prevent his team from winning many games.
    Heís not a match winner, yet he isnít a match loser. But heís doing his job as an opener fine.

    Our test team is in a shambles at the moment and we lack batsmen who can take the game away from the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Heís not a match winner, yet he isnít a match loser. But heís doing his job as an opener fine.

    Our test team is in a shambles at the moment and we lack batsmen who can take the game away from the opposition.
    He looks great for us because he is playing around some poor batsmen. Itís not hard for a good batsman to stand out among the likes of Masood, Sami, Shehzad, Shafiq, Sarfraz etc.

    Put Azhar in a world class batting unit and he will become a weak-link. He is a less talented version of Pujara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.
    How have you not called this a FLUKE!? This guy failed every innings after that triple ton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The irony of you calling someone deluded seems to be lost on you.

    Shafiq is a mediocre player, and fluke, inconsequantial hundreds in XYZ countries donít mean anything.

    He scored the hundred in SA on a slow pitch where the Chucker ran riot. We would have won that Test had our management played two spinners. It was a proper UAE style wicket.

    The hundred in Australia came at a time when he was under no pressure. The match was already lost and he played with freedom. As soon as things got tight, he choked as expected.

    He has played nearly 40+ Tests in the UAE and he has been a below par batsman. Canít dominate an attack and radiates no confidence and authority. Highly inconsistent as well.

    Reserve Indian Test batsmen like Rohit are much better than him. Give him numerous chances on flat UAE wickets and he will blow Shafiq out of the water.

    Shafiq would not have played a single Test for India. Salahuddin is a decent batsman but batsmen better than him are in every nook and corner of India.

    For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.

    Haris is a good batsman by our standards, but then again, he is nothing special by Indian standards; none of our batsmen are.

    Please donít embarrass yourself and others by comparing Indian batsmen to ours. They had, have and always will have far superior batsmen than us.

    They have a tremendous batting culture and know how to develop their batsmen.

    Azhar is the only good Test batsman Pakistan have at the moment, but he is overrated as well. Absolutely no impact and a stroke-less wonder. His runs rarely puts the team in match-winning positions.

    KL Rahul is the most talented upcoming opener in Tests. He is a complete batsman who will become more consistent with experience. Heís a thousand times better than Shehzad, Masood, Hafeez, Sami and heís better than Azhar as well.
    Some decent points but a poor post overall. The exaggeration

    All this ďbatting talentĒ yet India are struggling to find someone at #4 in ODIs and a finisher. Pandey, Rahul, Jadhav have all flopped.

    India should have had ready made replacements already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    How have you not called this a FLUKE!? This guy failed every innings after that triple ton.
    Itís not a fluke because he is a very fine batsman. He may not be a top player but he is a very good one, and a fantastic batsman for our standards.

    Itís not a surprise because India will never be short on quality batsman. Nair may have failed in other innings, but anyone can have a few bad games, but not everyone can score a near flawless dominant triple century against a quality opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Some decent points but a poor post overall. The exaggeration

    All this ďbatting talentĒ yet India are struggling to find someone at #4 in ODIs and a finisher. Pandey, Rahul, Jadhav have all flopped.

    India should have had ready made replacements already...
    They have plenty of players. The problem lies with the selectors. They are trying square pegs in round holes (KL Rahul) and persisting with batsmen like Jadhav who would be superstars in Pakistan but are not at the level that you would expect an indian batsman to be.

    Another complication is that although Dhoni is losing his powers as a batsman, he is still the best WK in India.

    Pandya hasnít failed; heís a tremendous talent, and a long-term number 6 for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Itís not a fluke because he is a very fine batsman. He may not be a top player but he is a very good one, and a fantastic batsman for our standards.

    Itís not a surprise because India will never be short on quality batsman. Nair may have failed in other innings, but anyone can have a few bad games, but not everyone can score a near flawless dominant triple century against a quality opponent.
    One triple century makes him better than any Pakistani batsman.

    I donít think so...

    He just seems to be a one innings wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    One triple century makes him better than any Pakistani batsman.

    I donít think so...

    He just seems to be a one innings wonder.
    No Pakistani batsman has the caliber of producing something like that. If a Pakistani batsman gets a triple hundred in his very second game, he is going to be hailed as a legend in the making and perhaps he will get a bronze statue to go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No Pakistani batsman has the caliber of producing something like that. If a Pakistani batsman gets a triple hundred in his very second game, he is going to be hailed as a legend in the making and perhaps he will get a bronze statue to go with it.
    A triple century isnít the be all and end all.

    Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar himself never scored a triple century over his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Babar is a poor man's Jonathan Trott
    KL Rahul is a poor man's Asghar Stanikzai

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    KL Rahul is a poor man's Asghar Stanikzai
    Whatever makes you happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by htariq25 View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this cracked me up. A nobody like Rahul is better than azhar, asad etc. Azhar Ali has a double in a boxing day test, a triple in a day night test and a century in England. Asad has centuries in England, south Africa and Australia. Our young players like Haris and Salahuddin will be world beaters.
    Rahul barely makes the indian team and you think he is better than any1 in Pakistan?
    Rubbish post but I'm not surprised because your a typical deluded indian who thinks their players are the best in the world.
    Well, have you actually bothered checking the test rankings?

    here it is for your convenience
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    https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings...s/test/batting

    Do a little research next time before displaying your ignorant and deluded mind to the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No Pakistani batsman has the caliber of producing something like that. If a Pakistani batsman gets a triple hundred in his very second game, he is going to be hailed as a legend in the making and perhaps he will get a bronze statue to go with it.
    I agree with what your saying here, but the way you keep harping about Nair it seems you believe he is even a decent batsman for our standards. He can't play anything in excess of 140 km/h to save his life, Cummins thoroughly exposed this weakness (and bear in mind, these are Indian pitches). A true spin bully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    A triple century isn’t the be all and end all.

    Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar himself never scored a triple century over his career.
    What would be the reaction if Salahuddin or Haris score a triple century in their next Test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    I agree with what your saying here, but the way you keep harping about Nair it seems you believe he is even a decent batsman for our standards. He can't play anything in excess of 140 km/h to save his life, Cummins thoroughly exposed this weakness (and bear in mind, these are Indian pitches). A true spin bully.
    He is not of the same caliber as the top 5 Indian batsmen, but he is a pretty good batsman in his own right. He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up - I am simply using his example to illustrate that the gulf between Indian batsmen and Pakistani batsman is gigantic, and we need to stop hyping up the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Usman, Haris etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is not of the same caliber as the top 5 Indian batsmen, but he is a pretty good batsman in his own right. He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up - I am simply using his example to illustrate that the gulf between Indian batsmen and Pakistani batsman is gigantic, and we need to stop hyping up the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Usman, Haris etc.
    Even Shafiq is better than Nair. Shafiq has his problems with the in-swinger and on top of that being a mental midget but he isn't a complete tail-ender against anything in excess of 140km/h. Nair could only dream of playing the innings Shafiq has outside of Asia. You could argue that Nair makes our XI in Asia, but it stops right there.

    I understand where you're trying to go at but Nair is a poor example to illustrate that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What would be the reaction if Salahuddin or Haris score a triple century in their next Test?
    How much do you see Azhar's triple being talked about?

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    @Mamoon You come across as if Pakistanis should constantly sit in awe of Indian batsman, and that we shouldn't even mention the names of Haris, Usman etc. alongside emerging Indian batsman because our younger talent won't even reach the calibre of washed up Ranji batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What would be the reaction if Salahuddin or Haris score a triple century in their next Test?
    They would be hailed as potential ATGs. Which Haris certainly has the potential to be.

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    Comments on this thread gives impression like Rahul is some kind of certified ATG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up
    One batsmen scored century against Australia IN Australia and other failed horribly against same team at HOME
    But Yet Nair is Most Certainly better than Shafiq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Whatever makes you happy
    What makes me happy is your username because I'm an Arsenal fan too even though I live close to White Hart Lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    The irony of you calling someone deluded seems to be lost on you.

    Shafiq is a mediocre player, and fluke, inconsequantial hundreds in XYZ countries don’t mean anything.

    He scored the hundred in SA on a slow pitch where the Chucker ran riot. We would have won that Test had our management played two spinners. It was a proper UAE style wicket.

    The hundred in Australia came at a time when he was under no pressure. The match was already lost and he played with freedom. As soon as things got tight, he choked as expected.

    He has played nearly 40+ Tests in the UAE and he has been a below par batsman. Can’t dominate an attack and radiates no confidence and authority. Highly inconsistent as well.

    Reserve Indian Test batsmen like Rohit are much better than him. Give him numerous chances on flat UAE wickets and he will blow Shafiq out of the water.

    Shafiq would not have played a single Test for India. Salahuddin is a decent batsman but batsmen better than him are in every nook and corner of India.

    For example, Karun Nair will probably not play more than 10-15 Tests for India, but he has the caliber of scoring a triple hundred vs England. Someone like him would walk into our Test team.

    Haris is a good batsman by our standards, but then again, he is nothing special by Indian standards; none of our batsmen are.

    Please don’t embarrass yourself and others by comparing Indian batsmen to ours. They had, have and always will have far superior batsmen than us.

    They have a tremendous batting culture and know how to develop their batsmen.

    Azhar is the only good Test batsman Pakistan have at the moment, but he is overrated as well. Absolutely no impact and a stroke-less wonder. His runs rarely puts the team in match-winning positions.

    KL Rahul is the most talented upcoming opener in Tests. He is a complete batsman who will become more consistent with experience. He’s a thousand times better than Shehzad, Masood, Hafeez, Sami and he’s better than Azhar as well.
    Watch this guy fail miserably. Cant perform at home what can he do outside india lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is not of the same caliber as the top 5 Indian batsmen, but he is a pretty good batsman in his own right. He is most certainly better than Shafiq and would be a fixture in our Test lineup. I am not hyping him up - I am simply using his example to illustrate that the gulf between Indian batsmen and Pakistani batsman is gigantic, and we need to stop hyping up the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Usman, Haris etc.
    Haris is worth the hype in my opinion. One of the best players of fast bowling in Asia. There arenít many better batsmen than him in India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
    One batsmen scored century against Australia IN Australia and other failed horribly against same team at HOME
    But Yet Nair is Most Certainly better than Shafiq.
    One innings in Australia means nothing when you are a certified mediocre and inconsistent player. I have no doubt that if Nair is given as many chances as Shafiq, he would prove to be a superior player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    They would be hailed as potential ATGs. Which Haris certainly has the potential to be.
    Which simply proves the point that I am trying to make here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    How much do you see Azhar's triple being talked about?
    It wasn't in his second Test, and it wasn't against a credible opponent. A more pertinent analogy would be that how would PPers react if Haris, Usman or Saad Ali score a triple hundred against England in their next Test. The hype would blow the Internet away.

    Also, I don't agree that Nair is a poor example. The fact that a batsman who scored a triple hundred in his very second Test is still not hyped up by the Indians shows how high their standards are. Secondly, it is true that we shouldn't compare young Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts.

    Indian's batting standards are infinitely higher than ours, and probably 9/10 Indian batsmen will outperform their Pakistani counterparts. To go back to Shafiq vs Nair - the former won't get more than 10 Tests for India, and the latter would most certainly score plenty of runs on those UAE tracks where Shafiq has been unable to dominate and score big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It wasn't in his second Test, and it wasn't against a credible opponent. A more pertinent analogy would be that how would PPers react if Haris, Usman or Saad Ali score a triple hundred against England in their next Test. The hype would blow the Internet away.

    Also, I don't agree that Nair is a poor example. The fact that a batsman who scored a triple hundred in his very second Test is still not hyped up by the Indians shows how high their standards are. Secondly, it is true that we shouldn't compare young Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts.

    Indian's batting standards are infinitely higher than ours, and probably 9/10 Indian batsmen will outperform their Pakistani counterparts. To go back to Shafiq vs Nair - the former won't get more than 10 Tests for India, and the latter would most certainly score plenty of runs on those UAE tracks where Shafiq has been unable to dominate and score big.
    No way in the world Nair is a better bat than Shafiq. Potentially, Nair may be better (I don't think so), but Shafiq has delivered more than Nair so far. Its not fair on Shafiq to be clubbed below Nair. Shafiq is no world beater, but he aint to dud either. I would be surprised if Nair finds his way back into the Indian team.

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    @Mamoon shafiiq may be having relatively good stats but he is mediocre and never been a match winner.completely agreed with your views.
    we have wasted our resources on such an inconsistent and mentally soft perosn.
    it is time to ove on but unfortunately we have no alternatives but india definitely have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    @Mamoon shafiiq may be having relatively good stats but he is mediocre and never been a match winner.completely agreed with your views.
    we have wasted our resources on such an inconsistent and mentally soft perosn.
    it is time to ove on but unfortunately we have no alternatives but india definitely have.
    We have alternatives.

    Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel to name a few

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    I know you guys don't like Ahmed Shehzad in ODIs. Fair enough. But he seems to have good statistics in Tests. Why is he not considered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    We have alternatives.

    Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel to name a few
    But according ti INZI and CO they are inexperienced. lolz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    I know you guys don't like Ahmed Shehzad in ODIs. Fair enough. But he seems to have good statistics in Tests. Why is he not considered?
    He was ordinary after got hit on head against NZ and stats shows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    He was ordinary after got hit on head against NZ and stats shows it.
    Hmm. But I always thought he was one of the best players of fast bowling in Pakistan although slightly iffy against spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Hmm. But I always thought he was one of the best players of fast bowling in Pakistan although slightly iffy against spin.
    Yes he was but has regressed .

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    Lokesh Rahul now is not the first starter for India in any form of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    Lokesh Rahul now is not the first starter for India in any form of the game
    That's why i rated BABAR>Rahul ATM(in #571).But i know people are gonna say rahul plays for strong batting team unlike Babar.But his competition is not with likes of pujara,kohli in test or kohli,dhawan,sharma,dhoni in Odi/T20.There are also other decent players who has done better than Rahul so far.For ex-Dhawan in test(rahul has done slightly better than Dhawan so far but hasn't been reliable enough to replace Dhawan in test who has more experience) or pandey,Jadhav in ODI/T20 .Pandey,jadhav hasn't been great but still has done better than Rahul who has failed as an opener in ODI.

    Although he hasn't played enough to judge,rahul averages 8 in odi(excluding minnows)

    However Rahul might be potentially better than Babar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It wasn't in his second Test, and it wasn't against a credible opponent. A more pertinent analogy would be that how would PPers react if Haris, Usman or Saad Ali score a triple hundred against England in their next Test. The hype would blow the Internet away.

    Also, I don't agree that Nair is a poor example. The fact that a batsman who scored a triple hundred in his very second Test is still not hyped up by the Indians shows how high their standards are. Secondly, it is true that we shouldn't compare young Pakistani batsmen with their Indian counterparts.

    Indian's batting standards are infinitely higher than ours, and probably 9/10 Indian batsmen will outperform their Pakistani counterparts. To go back to Shafiq vs Nair - the former won't get more than 10 Tests for India, and the latter would most certainly score plenty of runs on those UAE tracks where Shafiq has been unable to dominate and score big.
    And Englands bowling away from home is remotely credible? The hype the likes of Haris, Usman etc. would receive if they were to score a triple against any side in the UAE wouldn't reach the extent you are claiming it would. Apart from a good temperament and ability against spin scoring a triple in Asia by an Asian batsman does not reveal much about the player. If they were to score a triple away from Asia then we would see the, being hailed as ATG's in the making, which most fans would do; it's not limited to Pak fans.

    I would be sincerely worried for Indian's if they had come to the level where such trash batsman such as Nair were to be hyped. I mean the guy is a complete dud against pace (England don't have a pace bowling attack, illustrated by how poor they're doing in Australia).

    Why is it so that we cannot compare our young batsman with that of India's? You can argue that India are much better at harnessing a batsmans potential, but with the more professional set up employed by Mickey Arthur I do see batsman whom are inducted into the national team at a young age making large strides in developing as a batsman.

    Nair will only get away with bullying the likes of SL, Bang etc. on dead pitches with no bounce. His ability to score stops right there. Shafiq is a mental midget and has his issues but to compare him with Nair is an insult.

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    Kohli is destroying Rahul's career by selecting Rohit over Rahul. Rahul can very well bat in the middle order.

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    Lokesh Rahul should be managed carefully. He is rated highly by everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    Lokesh Rahul now is not the first starter for India in any form of the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
    That's why i rated BABAR>Rahul ATM(in #571).
    That's why? Making into the test team makes any difference here?

    Babar is averaging in low 20s with zero ton in the Test format so far.

    Some one can be a having a guaranteed spot in Zim, a test plaything nation, and yet not be better than 30th best batsman from Aus.

    You can rate any of these two higher, but argument here is seriously flawed one.


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