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    Why are we mourning the death of someone rightly called Kim Kardashian of Pakistan? What did she ever do for humanity or Pakistan? People get murdered all around the world like her over minor crap like that. She was not someone who can be considered a big loss for anyone except.maybe her dear ones. Sad she died but that's about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    She has died.

    Why must she be put on a pedestal and tears cried for her, when all she ever did was mislead the general population ??
    Not eulogizing her,just condemning a thought process I find repulsive.
    Since I am neither religious nor Muslim,I will never understand the "positives" gained from this murder.

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    if someone goes down to the red lighy districts and kills all the prostitutes we should applaud them as well. To cleanse the pure society of Pakistan because it's so pure it can't handle one woman on social media showing off her body without imploding and socially disintegrating that doesn't strike me as the most stable of societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Wow some of the comments here!!
    It really does show how big a mess the subcontinent is in when the educated class with access to internet still display views taken straight out of the stone age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Brother, the killing has taken place, and it is to be condemned and killer should be arrested.

    That part is established.

    But it is also true that she was polluting and corrupting the minds of so many Pakistanis and such elements are not good for society.

    The positive is there.

    No future woman shall dare to do what Qandeel Baloch did for the fear of backlash from extreme elements of society.

    If anything, this will help eradicate the society of evil.
    you're an element of society that should be eradicated.

    what she did was doing no harm.

    you taking positives out of murder is dangerous however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    She was a Muslim and she wanted to be wrong type of Muslim.

    Did she ever say she did NOT want to be Muslim or follow Islam?
    Do you realize what would have happened if she said she WASN'T muslim after being BORN muslim? Do you know the Islamic jurisprudence on apostasy. It's pretty clear. Would then you have been okay with murder? You're a sick individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    It really does show how big a mess the subcontinent is in when the educated class with access to internet still display views taken straight out of the stone age.
    Tbf you will see the similar kind of comments if it happened in India too but the only difference is most of those Indians would be uneducated jaahils while the people commentating here are actually quite smart and intelligent(or at least I thought they were). If that's how the majority of Pakistanis think ,the future looks really bleak for the country.
    And it's not about whether she was a role model or her contribution to the society.People are justifying a cold blooded murder here in the name of stupid things like honor and religion.Yes if my sister did something like that I would be angry at her too,will probably stop talking to her,but murder? come on guys


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    Quote Originally Posted by filthyfulltoss View Post
    you're an element of society that should be eradicated.

    what she did was doing no harm.

    you taking positives out of murder is dangerous however.
    If people started getting eradicated for considering bad things as bad , you would have no population left.

    You know what I think?

    People are sucking up to her because she was a girl who was murdered and she wanted to throw away her clothes.

    Had a poor diabetic woman been murdered because she couldn't produce kids, due to neuropathy, everyone would look the other way.

    Half the forum is only interested because she wanted to do what is morally wrong, and 50000 posters here believe there is no right or wrong, and everything is okay in life.


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    She was a bad influence on the society. Everytime she came on the television, I had no option but to change the Channel in order to save myself from embarrassment of something uncomfortable being brought up in front of entire family.

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    "Bad, bad, bad, wrong, wrong wrong." Wow. If only the actions of fanatics and zealots were protested with the same vehemence as those of a harmless girl posting photos and videos of herself on the Internet. If only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Tbf you will see the similar kind of comments if it happened in India too but the only difference is most of those Indians would be uneducated jaahils while the people commentating here are actually quite smart and intelligent(or at least I thought they were). If that's how the majority of Pakistanis think ,the future looks really bleak for the country.
    And it's not about whether she was a role model or her contribution to the society.People are justifying a cold blooded murder here in the name of stupid things like honor and religion.Yes if my sister did something like that I would be angry at her too,will probably stop talking to her,but murder? come on guys
    Except no one justified it.

    I just said, we should consider her practices and habits as bad.

    And maybe, just maybe, because of her fate (even thought it is to be thoroughly condemned) future girls will think twice about morally reprehensible actions that bring the religion and society into disrepute.

    If people can extrapolate that to justifications of WHY SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED AND IT WAS A GOOD THING, THAN THAT'S THEIR PERCEPTION PROBLEM.

    It's not my headache.

    I would never kill anyone, touch anyone, or even call out anyone who did such stuff.

    But I would abhor them.

    Full stop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by filthyfulltoss View Post
    Bad is subjective.

    For you, showing skin is bad. Dancing is bad. Sexual relations are bad. All of these yet, don't hurt anyone.

    The religion you follow has a history of sexual slavery and allows men to marry children... that is okay for you?

    This is what happens when you forget that what is "bad" is subjective. You nitpick your own religion, and that should be enough proof for you that what is "wrong" is subjective.

    1400 years ago, marrying a six year old wasn't "bad". Today it is bad.

    1400 years ago, dancing naked was "bad". Today it isn't bad.

    Society changes and views change. Move on with the times.
    Showing skin is bad no matter how you look at it from any religion almost except perhaps an atheist which you probably are.

    Forget that.

    If you show your skin and dress in provocative clothes out in the West, you are MORE LIKELY TO BE ATTACKED because someone found you attractive. (although this is a different topic altogether and you should ideally make a thread about it, about what is "good or bad" if you think it's all subjective.

    Dancing and grinding with unknown males is bad too.

    Stealing is bad.

    Killing is bad.

    Corruption is bad.

    Things which are bad, automatically don't become good, because of 20 years of media and internet access.

    They remain bad.

    You would not slap your mother. It is considered bad. Or you think it's subjective ?


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    I hate the backwards culture of this 19th century country. I thank my parents for bringing me to UK. Everyone has the right to be free and do whatever they want as long as they aren't breaking any laws. Qandeel should have known better that she is in a backward country where there is no freedom of speech and expression. She should have left Pakistan ages ago. I wish that killer brother is caught and hanged to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Except no one justified it.

    I just said, we should consider her practices and habits as bad.

    And maybe, just maybe, because of her fate (even thought it is to be thoroughly condemned) future girls will think twice about morally reprehensible actions that bring the religion and society into disrepute.

    If people can extrapolate that to justifications of WHY SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED AND IT WAS A GOOD THING, THAN THAT'S THEIR PERCEPTION PROBLEM.

    It's not my headache.

    I would never kill anyone, touch anyone, or even call out anyone who did such stuff.

    But I would abhor them.

    Full stop.
    Well I don't wanna get banned so I would refrain from posting my original views here but you might wanna use your brains sometimes instead of blindly following things written by people from stone age.That's all I have to say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by czar View Post
    She was a bad influence on the society. Everytime she came on the television, I had no option but to change the Channel in order to save myself from embarrassment of something uncomfortable being brought up in front of entire family.
    So that doesn't mean she deserved to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Well I don't wanna get banned so I would refrain from posting my original views here but you might wanna use your brains sometimes instead of blindly following things written by people from stone age.That's all I have to say.
    Stone age People incidentally DO NOT condone murder and neither have I.

    It has stayed that way for 1400 years.

    If you think strutting around in bikini is advancement, good for you.


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    Every country has its own culture and values. Just becauss these things are acceptable in West that doesn't mean we allow such things in Pakistan.

    Our media gave limelight to such a lowlife. At the end she didn't deserve to die and it's a murder.

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    Shame on the people defending this atrocity by saying that Qandeel was cheap and low class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Every country has its own culture and values. Just becauss these things are acceptable in West that doesn't mean we allow such things in Pakistan.

    Our media gave limelight to such a lowlife. At the end she didn't deserve to die and it's a murder.
    Cultural imperialism, which begins with "crying" about gays getting killed and ends up justifying wars of "democracy" killing 100 000s of peoples (but perhaps they weren't saints like Qandeel Baloch.)

    RIP Baloch and hopefully no woman would mimic her otherwise her fate is sealed.

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    Never had I ever had to long such essays on any Pakpassion topic, just to say

    "Honey, if a thing is bad, call it as bad !"

    And never have I seen bursts of supporters saying

    "Who are you to question her lifestyle"

    When my Prophet beloved (PBUH) clearly said, if you can't do something to stop something bad "at least thing of the think as bad".

    And I can't believe there are Muslims here who are questioning MY THOUGHTS, when they should be the first one to condemn people like Qandeel Baloch and her style of life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Well I don't wanna get banned so I would refrain from posting my original views here but you might wanna use your brains sometimes instead of blindly following things written by people from stone age.That's all I have to say.
    Exactly.

    This is what happens when people derive their views blindly from prehistoric texts.

    This man has no principles. He will do the necessary mental gymnastics just to support narratives already handed down to him. There is no logic behind what he considers "good" and "bad". It is derived from texts and he'll back that up no matter what.

    My idea of what is right and wrong stems from personal liberty and the idea of "do no harm". What she was doing was not hurting anyone in anyway. It has no bearing on me that this girl, however, cringe worthy, was twerking or dancing or being promiscuous.

    The decay of Pakistani society comes from the fact that we have people taking their judgment of what is "bad" and imposing it onto other people. It's holding us back and it'll continue to hold us back for decades to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post

    And I can't believe there are Muslims here who are questioning MY THOUGHTS, when they should be the first one to condemn people like Qandeel Baloch and her style of life.
    It isn't the right time to condemn her and her lifestyle. I don't agree with her lifestyle myself but condemning her when she has been killed for her lifestyle makes it look like you are sort of justifying her murder which is the impression I'm getting from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    I never claimed I was knowledgeable in religion, and you made that claim for me yourself, and then had the charm to refute it yourself again.

    Islamic point of view you can consummate marriage when girl reaches puberty. I don't know how many times I would have to repeat that.

    If you are talking about 12 year old girls dying in labor in Yemen, go question the Yemenites. Why ask me?

    Maybe you should consider your thoughts of right and wrong to yourself.
    The Yemenis are following the religion you follow to establish what is "good" and "bad".

    For you, it is okay for girls to die in labor at the age of 12, but dancing to music and showing skin is bad.

    Just wanted to show you how screwed up your way of thinking really is.

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    At least on the Day of Judgment I have those Texts and Qurans to back me.

    What do you have?

    Your own liberty and your own judgment?

    Good luck convincing your God at that time, that you truly believe you were right
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    Let her rest in peace, we as humans have no right to judge anyone.
    So sad to hear what happened.

    This should not be blamed on religion but culture....Culture in western societies was the same 100 years ago,
    Culture maturity is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    It really does show how big a mess the subcontinent is in when the educated class with access to internet still display views taken straight out of the stone age.
    Yes, let's forget all about the MRA's and Gamergate trolls that hold similar misogynistic views.

    Sorry bruv, I have to disagree with you. The subcontinent is not unique in holding these views. You can find these similar sentiment among right-wing nutjobs in the Western world as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    If people started getting eradicated for considering bad things as bad , you would have no population left.

    You know what I think?

    People are sucking up to her because she was a girl who was murdered and she wanted to throw away her clothes.

    Had a poor diabetic woman been murdered because she couldn't produce kids, due to neuropathy, everyone would look the other way.

    Half the forum is only interested because she wanted to do what is morally wrong, and 50000 posters here believe there is no right or wrong, and everything is okay in life.
    Oh please, you couldn't be further from the truth.

    I'm far from whiteknighting her. In fact I never cared for her antics because she never affected me in any way enough for me to be gloating about her murder.

    You can stop with the speculation and red herrings now. You keep digging yourself a deeper hole.

    She didn't do anything wrong that would justify her murder, period. You're one of those people who would defend Muslim girls who betray their families and join a murderous death cult in Mosul and Raqqa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Stone age People incidentally DO NOT condone murder and neither have I.

    It has stayed that way for 1400 years.

    If you think strutting around in bikini is advancement, good for you.
    That's her life. She chose it to be like that. Unless her personal life creates problems for you I don't think you should be concerned.

    Everyone will be answerable for their own acts and not others on the day of judgment.




    Really saddened by this incident. Why did she need to chose shortcuts for quick fame and become rich? This may be a weakness of our society.

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    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    He died of natural causes and lived a long and prosperous life doing what he loved.

    She was brutally murdered by her own kin due to a twisted definition of 'honor'.

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    Sad but inevitable end for her. One can only hope her death can help increase the stigma of honour killing in Pakistan and hopefully lead to more discussions about gender equality and liberalism. Violent, senseless deaths like hers should hopefully help steer the Pakistanis who aren't too set in their ways, towards the liberal and rational side.

    Pakistan and the Muslim World in general is being overrun by Western influence and Inshallah within the next few decades, Pakistan at least will emerge as a much more liberal place. I prefer to see these events as the death throes of a conservatism and backwards attitude that is fighting a losing battle against the modernisation of the world.

    For now though, the conservative minded will certainly secretly rejoice in her killing, the same way they secretly checked out her photos and videos when she was alive.

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    How come you don't hear of this in Lebanon? You have female Hezbollah supporters who show more skin than Qandeel Baloch but you don't hear Nasrallah calling for stricter observance of morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    How come you don't hear of this in Lebanon? You have female Hezbollah supporters who show more skin than Qandeel Baloch but you don't hear Nasrallah calling for stricter observance of morality.
    Half the country isn't even muslim, is this meant to be some yardstick, Syria was considered relatively 'liberal' before the war, reality is different to what outsiders perceive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    You cant be serious. A person was killed and people getting killed is a big deal. Do you think some one should be able to take your life because you're less valuable compared to Edhi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    And? That doesn't mean she deserved to die. By saying that you sound like you are justifying her murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    I'm surprised you didn't mention Afia Sidiqui or people killed by drones. Pakistanis sure love to tell others who can and can't be mourned.

    And btw there are many reasons why there is ample discussion on this topic. Firstly, it is literally an honour killing, something Pakistan is plagued with. Secondly, this has made international news because of the shocking nature of what has occurred so naturall it warrants discussion.

    I'm not sure why people like you think she encouraged others to do what she did. It was hardly something novel, thousands of people try and get famous like her by taking photos and generating publicity. Even within Pakistan there is a huge culture of mujra dancing and stage show actresses that has been going on for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed View Post
    Half the country isn't even muslim, is this meant to be some yardstick, Syria was considered relatively 'liberal' before the war, reality is different to what outsiders perceive.
    Go on Twitter, and go see all the female Lebanese Hezbollah supporters, and it may shock you to see how much skin they bare.

    And guess what? They happily identify themselves as Muslims. No contradiction there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    First of all it was Sahih Muslim.

    Secondly, I do not wish to discuss Holy Prophet's personal life with you, but the fact is he might have married her when she was 6, but he consummated marriage with her at 10 when she reached puberty.

    And what he did at that time was his need and requirement, but we are not bound to follow his example because he had other wives which we can follow.

    Thirdly, it is allowed to marry a Muslim girl when she attains puberty. So you can technically marry a 12-13 year old girl, but as I said, I am not in favor of that personally.
    even before prophets times, christians and other religions followed the same trend. Once a girl bled she was ready for marriage, but with time and education people have stopped doing this. To call people of that time paedos is wrong because at the time once you were past puberty you could get married. Have you guys not watched game of thrones?

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    The girl was a loud mouth she loved the attention but that doesnt mean you kill her, everyone has free will.

    Her brother needs to be brought to justice, this was sickening act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    Yes, let's forget all about the MRA's and Gamergate trolls that hold similar misogynistic views.

    Sorry bruv, I have to disagree with you. The subcontinent is not unique in holding these views. You can find these similar sentiment among right-wing nutjobs in the Western world as well.
    Oh definitely you can, I never said it was only a subcontinent issue but it doesnt have near as much of a support base here compared to the east.

    I abhor the likes of Kardashian and even Qandeel was a bit of a fool IMO, no role model or anything of the sort, but part of life is accepting other people's choices once they do no harm to you or others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Oh definitely you can, I never said it was only a subcontinent issue but it doesnt have near as much of a support base here compared to the east.

    I abhor the likes of Kardashian and even Qandeel was a bit of a fool IMO, no role model or anything of the sort, but part of life is accepting other people's choices once they do no harm to you or others.
    I'm guessing here means Ireland, so I can't speak on behalf of your country.

    In America, there are plenty of people who have no problem slut-shaming others (even the ones who do the slut-shaming are sexually active themselves, oh the hypocrisy). There was a 16 year old girl at a high school in Steubenville that was the victim of a gang-rape by jock bros at a party and you'd figure the entire town would have come to her aid, right?

    Wrong. They not only slut-shamed her, but they harassed her and her family vehemently until they were forced to leave the town.

    Never underestimate small-town America when it comes to this either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman View Post
    By the looks of it, it was a honour killing as his brother is the killer.

    But according to her, she married her sister and bought house for her parents in Multan.
    who married her sister ?

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    I still can't believe this ..

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    I dont believe that some people are judging the person on basis of religious views.Everyone is not bound to by the other's religious view.


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    I am sad the way she way she had to go absolutely shocking and pathetic face of our society.

    I am even more shocked at people actually judging her or some even supporting her being killed what kind of morons we are living with is beyond me.

    Than above all what I fail to understand is who put this honor between women's legs and her body ??

    Also people judging her based on islam must know that as per Islam they have absolutely no right to judge her and in Islam it is no where prohibited to pray for any one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    I don't think Qandeel Baloch got murdered for being a national swimming champion.
    not long before someone will if this mindset is not killed right now. When a society start forcing its mindset on individual by force or start removing everyone by force who don't fit there is never an end to this.

    At the moment what Qandeel was doing was unislamic so her murder got some good in it as per few than after all Qandeels are removed next would be someone who is breaking the same code in a little less bold manner and it will not be very long before some swimmer is also killed because she show too much skin while swimming in a competition or cricket player with too visible body figure in a cricket kit.

    Think about it


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    ^Or someone who gets killed for not covering her face....


    Oh wait, that already did happen to someone in the country, and she was a politician. Anyone remember Zil-e-Huma Usman?

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    RIP.

    I did not know who she was. Quite frankly, what she was doing while I do not agree with, was none of mine or anybody else's business.

    Hurting the moral fabric of society. Haven't heard a more pathetic line in my time on PP. If an attention-seeking woman can alone hurt the moral fabric of your society, then your society is probably not that strong anyway. And no, killing her will not deter others like her. In fact, these morons might cause more like her to come up as a "rebellion" of sorts. So, there is NO positive arising from her death. None whatsoever. Furthermore, it will just eulogize her in this world and embarrass Pakistan on the global stage as if it has already not been embarrassed enough.

    It is disappointing to see people criticizing her choices after she is dead when she has no way of justifying herself. Yet again, religion taken too seriously causing issues in this world.


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    Live and let live.

    A human life doesn't count for must these days in the intolerant societies we live in.

    Honour killing? It's a disgusting term trying to make a shameful heinous act sound acceptable.

    There is nothing honourable about taking a human being's life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    At least on the Day of Judgment I have those Texts and Qurans to back me.

    What do you have?

    Your own liberty and your own judgment?

    Good luck convincing your God at that time, that you truly believe you were right
    And there rides off the apologist for murder, honor killing, violence against women, enemy of a free society, with his sacred texts in tow. You and your like a true burden on modern civilization, and while you may rejoice in this woman's murder, such joys will be few and far in between. The world is becoming a difficult place to live for bigoted cavemen who preach hatred and discrimination to please a God that exists only in their insecurities and imagination.

    More than anything, you have just what a genuinely bad person you are. Shame on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    You don't get what the big deal is when a woman is strangled to death by her brother for no crime at all? The real bad influence are the mullahs and religious bigots who are letting everyone know that he had it coming, and that is the right message to send to society. Have some shame.

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    She wasn't even strangled; she had her airflow impeded by constricting her nose and closing her mouth shut.

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    Whatever you think about her personally she didn't deserve to die, simple as that.

    She seemed more of a attention seeker but Sorry DR Bassim it's a ridiculous accusation to say she was corrupting people or society.

    It's high time the Pakistani police and judiciary start taking firm action against these honour killings against women, it's been going on for too long and happens far too frequently.

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    Why can't people just ignore her and the media not give her any attention when she was posting her silly videos ?? But no there is too much hypocrisy in Pakistan society. In fact it stinks and its high time people get off their high horses with their constant lectures about morality and what not.

    Focus on yourself !

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    And the image of Pakistan in the world continues to go down the drain.

    Same people who complain about Malala supposedly ruining the image of Pakistan are the same ones who support heinous acts like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Tbf you will see the similar kind of comments if it happened in India too but the only difference is most of those Indians would be uneducated jaahils while the people commentating here are actually quite smart and intelligent(or at least I thought they were). If that's how the majority of Pakistanis think ,the future looks really bleak for the country.
    And it's not about whether she was a role model or her contribution to the society.People are justifying a cold blooded murder here in the name of stupid things like honor and religion.Yes if my sister did something like that I would be angry at her too,will probably stop talking to her,but murder? come on guys
    You're quite clearly overestimating the intellectual capacity of some Indians my friend. You just have to look at this thread to find through their views.

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    I want to know how many ppl spend all day watching the videos this poor girl was posting or even more intense videos than hers and ruin their society and lives?

    I watch those kind videos and i am happily married and my wife also watches with me sometimes.

    And we are contributing very well in society.

    We are polluting society?

    I have been these kind of videos since puberty.

    And i don't even feel like killing an insect in my clinic!

    Are we harmful to society?

    EVERYBODY WATCHES THOSE KIND OF VIDEOS!

    HOW MUCH SOCIETY HAVE YOU RUINED?

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    Societies aren't ruined for making videos like these or wearing cloths like this and that.

    Do you know if we all become naked all of sudden. Goes to school and office naked what happens? We will make fun of each other for certain decades. After that we will be numb. We will stop caring what our things look like.

    It's not accepting people for who they are thats harming society.

    Creating temptations for somebody is in our genes. We wouldn't have been 7 billions if we didn't have that trait.

    Lots of young kids(almost all) watch these kind of videos where is the data that they have become harmful to society?

    There are reasons why ppl wear watching her videos. Because ppl like it. Arousal is not harmful. Ppl started raping after watching her videos? How many? Where is the society ruined?

    How many ppl in west even choose a life of a pronstar?

    Our society has long way to go to set values. Things will change. Values will keep changing. We are just going at snail pace though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    At least on the Day of Judgment I have those Texts and Qurans to back me.

    What do you have?

    Your own liberty and your own judgment?

    Good luck convincing your God at that time, that you truly believe you were right
    People like you are the reason why many people turn away from religion. You should be ashamed of yourself for justifying her murder.

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    This stupid and ridiculous concept of honour killings needs to be eradicated from the Pakistani society. It has no place in 21st century.

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    Pakistan is a terrible country especially for women. If I ever have a daughter, I would never take her there.
    Last edited by Ottoman; 17th July 2016 at 14:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketworm View Post
    I want to know how many ppl spend all day watching the videos this poor girl was posting or even more intense videos than hers and ruin their society and lives?

    I watch those kind videos and i am happily married and my wife also watches with me sometimes.

    And we are contributing very well in society.

    We are polluting society?

    I have been these kind of videos since puberty.

    And i don't even feel like killing an insect in my clinic!

    Are we harmful to society?

    EVERYBODY WATCHES THOSE KIND OF VIDEOS!

    HOW MUCH SOCIETY HAVE YOU RUINED?
    Don't bother, we've got some saints here.


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    Let's be quite clear here, religion does NOT equal culture. Honor 'killings' are a product of cultural norms that use religion as a pretense to justify itself.


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    you can hardly blame these kind of killings on religion or culture
    its an act of ONE man who had dispute with his sister.

    there are ALOT of women who are in fashion industry/ entertainment in Pakistan. it's not like she was only one girl in that field. there are many more performers who are much more bolder than she was. just because she was killed by her brother, religion or culture should not b blamed. it's a family dispute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    Pakistan is a terrible country especially for women. If I ever have a daughter, I would never take her to that hell.
    and you still proudly putting flag of terrible country next to ur name, please change the flag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim2Good View Post
    you can hardly blame these kind of killings on religion or culture
    its an act of ONE man who had dispute with his sister.

    there are ALOT of women who are in fashion industry/ entertainment in Pakistan. it's not like she was only one girl in that field. there are many more performers who are much more bolder than she was. just because she was killed by her brother, religion or culture should not b blamed. it's a family dispute.
    Act of ONE man? Nope, they occur all over India and Pakistan all year long. It's definitely a cultural thing, and perhaps a product of our patriarchal society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim2Good View Post
    and you still proudly putting flag of terrible country next to ur name, please change the flag
    So we should just live like daft monkeys thinking everything fine and dandy in this world? Truth is, it's not.

    As much as I love Pakistan, there's no shame in admitting that some things about it need to change, and this mentality is one of those things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim2Good View Post
    and you still proudly putting flag of terrible country next to ur name, please change the flag
    I understand @The_KING is upset but such news coming out of Pakistan really makes it hard for me to show patriotism for them sometimes....

    I would still however always respect and sympathize with Pakistan as my country of origin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    So we should just live like daft monkeys thinking everything fine and dandy in this world? Truth is, it's not.

    As much as I love Pakistan, there's no shame in admitting that some things about it need to change, and this mentality is one of those things.
    This. Each and every word brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    Act of ONE man? Nope, they occur all over India and Pakistan all year long. It's definitely a cultural thing, and perhaps a product of our patriarchal society.
    in each case, its act of one man 2 men WITHIN families
    when they have dispute within themself.

    As I said she was not the first lady in entertainment industry and she ll not b last one either.
    even she exposed a mullah during Ramadan and no one went after her , but most ppl were praising her for exposing that mullah

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    I understand @The_KING is upset but such news coming out of Pakistan really makes it hard for me to show patriotism for them sometimes....

    I would still however always respect and sympathize with Pakistan as my country of origin
    when you respect your country of origin then you don't call it hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    So we should just live like daft monkeys thinking everything fine and dandy in this world? Truth is, it's not.

    As much as I love Pakistan, there's no shame in admitting that some things about it need to change, and this mentality is one of those things.
    things ll change when ppl will change.
    and ppl will change when education will be there and its not gonna happen anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim2Good View Post
    you can hardly blame these kind of killings on religion or culture
    its an act of ONE man who had dispute with his sister.
    Not really. This is petty normal in Pakistan. http://tribune.com.pk/story/353572/n...ed-for-honour/

    That's two women killed everyday. Government needs to take strict action against this. But first they need to get rid off Punchyat system in rural Punjab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    Not really. This is petty normal in Pakistan. http://tribune.com.pk/story/353572/n...ed-for-honour/

    That's two women killed everyday. Government needs to take strict action against this. But first they need to get rid off Punchyat system in rural Punjab.
    again cases of family disputes

    only IF there was any Govt. of Pakistan or if Govt. took care of Pakistan ppl, we would not be in this mess.
    Areas without education ll continue to have punchyat system, even some of areas doesn't even have police stations and ppl don't have any choice other than going to backward punchyat system.

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    Blah, blah and blah.

    People still excited that she had a right to show her skin because it was her life.

    I still maintain she had that right, there was no need for her to die.

    But when she was showing her skin and strutting around half-naked that behavior is reprehensible.

    And I called her out on it.

    Still do.

    If you think that is justifying her murder, we can keep going in circles.

    I will NOT back down, because of what few random posters on Internet think of me.

    My conscience is extremely clear.

    Murder is wrong.

    Killing is wrong.

    Showing skin and spreading nakedness is wrong.

    Keep thinking that I am wrong.

    Doesn't hurt me.


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Media is to be blamed

    She never revealed her true idenity for a reason because her family would be harrassed because of such a daughter. We know the SC mindset about family honour and I'm sure her family would be traumatized after her idenity was revealed.

    She bought them a house in Multan after earning money from this business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I don't get what the big deal is. Edhi died and that was tragic. He was a shining light in an otherwise dark Pakistani modern day national scene. I can understand his death thread going over 12 pages. But seeing this go past 2 pages is astounding to me.

    Sad she got killed, but make no mistske... she was no inspiration to Pakistani women and girls, young and old. She was simply bad influence, encouraging females to adopt Kardashian like tactics for fame and money.
    The deplorable and heinous practice of honor killing is a much bigger problem faced by our society than a girl posting videos on Facebook.

    Some absolutely pathetic and ignorant posts in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Are you saying Quran is a work of a hypocrite?

    And Prophet PBUH is a hypocrite?
    Honor killing is not allowed in Islam. It's Haram bro.

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    Are you saying the Quran or Prophet pbuh supports honor killings?

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    people should stop following western media and use term "honour killing"

    Men are killing their wife for cheating in west too, but it's not labelled as "honor kiling"
    wife is killing husband too because of cheating, but its not labelled honor killing
    boy friends are killing girl friends for cheating too


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