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    I still don't understand what was happening. He had the ball caught in his legs and he was just staring at Moeen completely frozen. Please Rizwan should never be dropped


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    rizwan is a legend , next dhoni


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    cost the game.

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    Can someone post that stumping fail?

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    Rizwan is an absolute gun in the field and probably better with the bat.
    Sarfraz almost cost us the game today. But I feel for Sarfraz, looks down on confidence. The way he was removed from captaincy wasn't the right way. Looks shadow of a presence he was on the field (for better or for worse). Looks a lot more confident in PSL.
    He needs to work a lot on his fitness, keeping and esp batting. He was a pretty good tactician though. I liked how he used to choke the opposition while chasing the target with his bowling changes.
    Should be given confidence by the management.

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    Sarfraz did miss that stumping but mistakes happen.

    Sarfraz was encouraging and helped the team stay calm and was really encouraging the bowlers, was really good in keeping the team focused. It was like he was captain at times.

    However Rizwan is Brilliant behind the stumps and never die attitude. Experience will come
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    Sarfraz is a little too annoying but our bowlers need the scolding

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    Sarfraz showed a lot of the leadership qualities today that were missing at the end of his captaincy.

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    There is daylight between his and Rizwan’s WK at the moment.

    This should be his last match in international cricket but it won’t be for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunge101 View Post
    I can sympathize with Sarfraz but continuing the "shabash shabash" chants right after youve missed an easy stumping is just downright annoying.
    Hahaha spot on. He be like I will continue shouting and nobody notices I missed the stumping. Like coercing the umpire into not giving wide after a bowler bowls close to the line.

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    Pakistan without Sarfaraz on this tour

    0 wins in 5 matches

    Pakistan with Sarfaraz on this tour

    1 win in 1 match

    Saved 2 fours today of 17.6* & 18.1*

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    He stood frozen there for a good 3 seconds with Moeen still out of his crease. Wth was he doing??

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    What Saifi brings to the table is keeping the bowlers on their toes. You cannot deny that his instructions and encouragement from behind the stumps has no impact on the bowler. With a meek captain like Babar, I think this attribute is quite important.

    However, Saifi is not as good a keeper or batsman as Rizwan. His mistakes behind the stumps, like the one today, can cost us games.

    Weighing both the options, I'd say Rizwan has a slightly stronger case for T20s and ODI while he's the obvious choice for Tests

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    Clearly Rizwan is a better keeper. Question is who is a better batsmen in T20.

    I think Sarfaraz is a better batsmen than Rizwan for the T20s. As long as he doesnt make howlers like today, he should be ok.

    Sarfaraz is lucky Pakistan didnt lose the game because otherwise his mistakes would have been put under the magnifying glass. When team wins, everyone is in a forgiving mood
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    Quote Originally Posted by asadee View Post
    He stood frozen there for a good 3 seconds with Moeen still out of his crease. Wth was he doing??
    I dont believe the ball was lodged in his hands It was caught in around his wrist area and by the time he managed to get hold of it properly the chance was gone

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    This entire tour has only exposed the cricketing world to how good Mohammad Rizwan really is.

    An absolute wicketkeeping masterclass on this tour.

    The international cricket days of Sarfaraz are pretty much limited at this point. Perhaps they are already over.

    We should get a younger backup keeper that has been fantastic in the domestic scene, like Umar Siddiq.

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    These comments are very harsh. That was Safaraz's first competitive game in yonks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Can someone post that stumping fail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanRyan10 View Post
    Pakistan without Sarfaraz on this tour

    0 wins in 5 matches

    Pakistan with Sarfaraz on this tour

    1 win in 1 match

    Saved 2 fours today of 17.6* & 18.1*
    He also cost like 50 runs because he missed the Moeen stumping when he was on 10 or 15. Also let 4 byes through. Overall a -40 run impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyRabbit View Post
    Rizwan is an absolute gun in the field and probably better with the bat.
    Sarfraz almost cost us the game today. But I feel for Sarfraz, looks down on confidence. The way he was removed from captaincy wasn't the right way. Looks shadow of a presence he was on the field (for better or for worse). Looks a lot more confident in PSL.
    He needs to work a lot on his fitness, keeping and esp batting. He was a pretty good tactician though. I liked how he used to choke the opposition while chasing the target with his bowling changes.
    Should be given confidence by the management.
    Rizwan is better with the bat in tests and maybe odis but not t20s obvs better keeper than sarfraz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    What Saifi brings to the table is keeping the bowlers on their toes. You cannot deny that his instructions and encouragement from behind the stumps has no impact on the bowler. With a meek captain like Babar, I think this attribute is quite important.

    However, Saifi is not as good a keeper or batsman as Rizwan. His mistakes behind the stumps, like the one today, can cost us games.

    Weighing both the options, I'd say Rizwan has a slightly stronger case for T20s and ODI while he's the obvious choice for Tests
    Sarfraz is a better batter in t20s but that's all

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizenjo View Post
    This entire tour has only exposed the cricketing world to how good Mohammad Rizwan really is.

    An absolute wicketkeeping masterclass on this tour.

    The international cricket days of Sarfaraz are pretty much limited at this point. Perhaps they are already over.

    We should get a younger backup keeper that has been fantastic in the domestic scene, like Umar Siddiq.
    Muhammed Harris decent hitter azwell and young

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    Safraz missed a keeping chance but he also saved us runs in the 18th over obvs rizwan is alot better keeper but safraz is a better batter in t20s but I wouldnt have any of them in t20s we need a specialist keeper batter In t20s

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Rizwan is better with the bat in tests and maybe odis but not t20s obvs better keeper than sarfraz.
    Not really. Although I support but there isn't much evidence that Sarfraz is a better batter in t20s. He is only good against spinners. Doesn't play pacers of any kind well.
    Rizwan's problem is he bats like a different batter when he is batting in the top 4, even though both lack the top gear. we can only expect a 35 ball 50 on their good days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    There is daylight between his and Rizwan’s WK at the moment.

    This should be his last match in international cricket but it won’t be for obvious reasons.
    Lol what is that obvious reason?

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    Rizwan on current form is obviously much superior but I think in limited overs sarfaraz is good influence behind stumps

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    Terrible stuff by him. Could have cost us the game.

    Rizwan is way above sarfraz. Sarfraz should go back doing his waterboy job not suited for keeping now that we have got rizwan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    What was that???

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    Keep Sarfraz for t20s. Rizwan for odis and tests.

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    Rizwan is the best option for Pakistan in all formats. The primary job of a wicketkeeper is to keep. Sarfraz is useless at that.

    If you want a better bat than Rizwan, I rather go back to Kamran Akmal for T20. He performed well in the PSL, and is as talented as Sarfraz is with the gloves.

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    Sarfraz - the best captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson367 View Post
    Keep Sarfraz for t20s. Rizwan for odis and tests.
    After he nearly cost pakistan an easily won match? Some of you guys baffle me

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    He nearly cost us the game. Rizwan didn't need a rest. Should have allowed him to continue as he is in good form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Did he just forget about stumping? Or couldn't get hold of the ball?

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    Let’s be honest - if Kamran did that, we would be crying about match-fixing.

    This was nearly as strange as the run-out incident in Australia in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol what is that obvious reason?
    He is a senior and former captain, plus he has friends in the media too. He will be dragged a long for a couple of years even though you don’t need to pick two WKs most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a senior and former captain, plus he has friends in the media too. He will be dragged a long for a couple of years even though you don’t need to pick two WKs most of the time.
    Tbh sarfaraz was taken on this tour due to the biosecure bubble thing. They had to take an enlarged squad with atleast a couple of keepers. He wasn’t taken to Australia or kept in squad in the home series against SL.

    Also I think while rizwan is ahead on form in cricketing skills right now Sarfaraz has better presence behind the stumps in terms of leadership and motivation. It was very evident today that the team responded better to him. Rizwan needs to improve a LOT in that aspect and that is part of the wicket keepers role.

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    Why was Rizwan dropped?

    Some injury?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Why was Rizwan dropped?

    Some injury?
    Rested

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    Rizwan cannot be dropped for Sarfaraz again. You brought in Haidar for the T20I, why not keep Rohail Nazir for the T20I. Terrible stuff.

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    Rashid Latif and Dr. Nauman came up with some medical psychological explanation for what happened to Sarfaraz. Apparently his mind froze for a split second. Sort yourself out and then come back to cricket mate you will cost your country matches if you continue like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maliq_Mudasir View Post
    Did he just forget about stumping? Or couldn’t get hold of the ball?
    From what I saw, he didn’t have the ball under control. Wasn’t in his hands. But his “effort” wasn’t all that amazing either.

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    For once, Sarfraz was actually encouraging behind the stumps. When he was the captain, he was constantly berating his bowlers but in yesterday’s match, he was giving good encouragement to the bowlers.

    But his keeping isn’t good enough. Lets face it. We are an average team so it’s imperative that we take every chance that we get, otherwise we will lose most games. We almost lost yesterday because Sarfraz forgot the concept of stumping. We can’t afford to carry such a passenger WK in the team, especially after the recent fine form shown by Rizwan with both bat and gloves. We need to invest in him, with Rohail Nazir as the back up. Time to move on from Sarfraz.

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    Both Sarfaraz and Rizwan are brilliant cricketers for their country. Its tough to compare when there is abundance of top keeper batsmen. It's like comparing between Gilchrist and Sangakkara.

    Pakistan for once can even think of playing both Sarfu and Rizwu in their team and it will still be the greatest touring country in England over past 10 years.

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    Well, I think the reality comes from the squad selection.
    Wasim got it right on commentary — if you pick very experienced players like Malik, Sarfraz, Wahab, Hafeez in the squad you are almost obliged to play them. If you don’t intend to, then you might as well have some youngsters in the squad, in their place,who will gain from the experience of being on the periphery of the team.

    It worked amazingly well with Hafeez and Wahab— Malik was a ridiculous pick, as to be fair is Sarfraz.
    Rizwan should be the keeper in all formats.

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    The more i look at the footage, the more fishy it looks to me. Almost as if their was no desire to knock the stumps down. He just stood there for so long, almost as if allowing Moeen back. He also didnt express much shock at the missed opportunity. Very fishy stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gibsyhesperis View Post
    Well, I think the reality comes from the squad selection.
    Wasim got it right on commentary — if you pick very experienced players like Malik, Sarfraz, Wahab, Hafeez in the squad you are almost obliged to play them. If you don’t intend to, then you might as well have some youngsters in the squad, in their place,who will gain from the experience of being on the periphery of the team.

    It worked amazingly well with Hafeez and Wahab— Malik was a ridiculous pick, as to be fair is Sarfraz.
    Rizwan should be the keeper in all formats.
    Rizwan or safraz shouldn't be the t20 wicket keeper batesman rizwan defo in tests in odis not sure

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    T20s is tamasha cricket, Sarfraz can stay for that. (This will also satisfy the Karachi media). Rizwan is clearly ahead of Sarfraz in all aspects and is needed for the longer formats.

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    Sarfraz is much better option than Rizwan or Pant in ODIs and T20s

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    Quote Originally Posted by nam View Post
    Sarfraz is much better option than Rizwan or Pant in ODIs and T20s
    Rizwan scored 2 centuries against Australia on his comeback series. Sarfraz has how many? 1 vs Eng ages ago and one vs Ireland which made him superstar. Rizwan has played some of the very best knocks in extreme under pressure in tests in conditions like Aus and Eng which shows how vital he can be at 4 in ODIs.

    Sarfraz used to promote the likes of Hasan and Imad above himself even in ODIs. That's his calibre as a batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nam View Post
    Sarfraz is much better option than Rizwan or Pant in ODIs and T20s
    Did you see how pathetic his keeping was in the 20 overs game? How can you expect him not to spoil chances with his history of so many drops and miss stumpings. If there was a stat for most miss chances then Sarfraz would be top on that.

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    Sarfaraz is not getting any younger.

    PCB should start grooming Rohail as the backup to Rizwan rather than just tagging Sarfaraz along.



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    to be fair there's not much difference between both in terms of capabilities. Sarfaraz probably had edge due to his experience and captaincy.

    but age is on Rizwan side. so it almost end of sarfarz international career.

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    No idea why he was asked to play in the 3rd T20I as it wasnt as if Rizwan had failed in the first 2 games!


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    No comparison!! Rizwan is the man now. Move on people!!

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    The Moin v Rashid scenario won't happen with these 2 as Sarfaraz is past his prime and Rizwan is streets ahead in all facets at the moment.



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    I do believe need to find a keeper with a High batting strike rate for t-20 cricket and maybe even one day internationals, cause if Rizwan plays in one dayers and die not bat in top 4 his strike rate is not good enough.

    For test cricket Rizwan is perfect

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    Misbah-ul-Haq speaking to the press:

    “When we played Sarfaraz, we also said it doesn’t matter, you can’t judge performance on one game. He worked hard all tour and performed well in side games, his keeping was good as well. Rizwan is our first choice obviously at the moment in terms of performance and confidence. Saifi is second and he has performances in the past and he can still contribute. It’s not like we gave him one match because we want to get rid of him after that, he’s still in our plans going forward."


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    But but we were told that there is no one better than Sarfraz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    But but we were told that there is no one better than Sarfraz.
    in tests their was no argument

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    Honestly I feel like rizwan could have came into the team earlier. I guess sarfraz being the captain took longer for management to drop him. I dont understand why everyone was saying sarfraz was the best keeper in the country when we had Rizwan in the shadows?

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    Sarfraz is still better in post match presentations"boys played well"

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    Due to sarfraz hes lost 2 years of international cricket.

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    I mean, if one is totally objective, which is a hard thing to come by for most of us fans, there is no comparison here.

    Rizwan is the best, all-format wicket-keeper batsman in the world right. His wicket-keeping is technically in a league of its own.

    Time to bid adieu to Sarfraz, and groom a youngster to learn from Rizwan as he continues to ascend.

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    Rizwan’s keeping was average until 2017-18, but he improved leaps and bounds in 2018-19 and developed into a top class keeper.

    The ODI series vs Australia in UAE in March 2019 showed that he was now at a level that was beyond Sarfraz.

    He scored 2 hundreds in 5 matches, something that was beyond the capability of Sarfraz. It was clear that he was now a better WK batsman than Sarfraz.

    However, Sarfraz’s captaincy saved him from getting replaced and Rizwan’s emergence as the first-choice WK was definitely pushed back by a couple of years.

    The career trajectories of the two over the 3-4 years tells us a story. Both were equally ordinary with the gloves but Sarfraz was a little better with the bat, but Sarfraz got too comfortable in his role especially after becoming captain, and his keeping deteriorated, his batting declined and his fitness went south.

    On the other hand, Rizwan worked very hard on his keeping and batting and by 2019-20, there was no comparison between the two. Rizwan was far better.

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    I don't see the point of Sarfraz being in the white-ball squads, they may as well include the likes of Rohail and give him experience in and around the senior squad.

    Are they just keeping Sarfraz in the squad just to keep him happy and repay him for Pakistan winning the Champions Trophy under his leadership.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I don't see the point of Sarfraz being in the white-ball squads, they may as well include the likes of Rohail and give him experience in and around the senior squad.

    Are they just keeping Sarfraz in the squad just to keep him happy and repay him for Pakistan winning the Champions Trophy under his leadership.
    There are 2 main reasons for MR Success-hard work and the competition from Safaraz. It's easy to dismiss SA success and achievement because MR has been better but its the competition that has driven him to be better. If you look at the decline of our WKs its normally related to the lack of competition from other WKs. Moin and Rashid pushed each other, with Moin generally the better batsman and RL the better WK. If Safaraz goes from the team MR will fall away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    There are 2 main reasons for MR Success-hard work and the competition from Safaraz. It's easy to dismiss SA success and achievement because MR has been better but its the competition that has driven him to be better. If you look at the decline of our WKs its normally related to the lack of competition from other WKs. Moin and Rashid pushed each other, with Moin generally the better batsman and RL the better WK. If Safaraz goes from the team MR will fall away.
    do you not rate rohail at all ?

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    We need Rizwan vs Umar Akmal next to really propel Riz to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I don't see the point of Sarfraz being in the white-ball squads, they may as well include the likes of Rohail and give him experience in and around the senior squad.

    Are they just keeping Sarfraz in the squad just to keep him happy and repay him for Pakistan winning the Champions Trophy under his leadership.
    True. He is hogging a space which should belong to a young WK who has the potential to become Pakistan's future WK

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    do you not rate rohail at all ?
    I haven't seen enough of him. From the bits I have seen, he looks to have a decent future ahead of him but if MR got injured, SA is still our next best option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    We need Rizwan vs Umar Akmal next to really propel Riz to the next level.
    UA has missed the boat

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    The way the things are going Sarfaraz should try to be an opener or play as batsman in team as his wicketkeeping days are over, stand in slip and play as opener or other batting position , we r short of openers and good batsman and he can be handy

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    Rizwan has settled this debate now. I hope he can continue this form. He does need to work on DRS, some of his calls were horrendous. Babar needs him to step up his DRS game.

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    This thread isn’t even worth bumping. Not even a debate anymore. Can remember telling those 3 Sarfraz fan boys that Rizwan could out do Sarfraz but they just wouldn’t listen. Now days those 3 don’t even come on PP.

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    Sarfaraz playing a 360 innings

    Doesn’t depend on middle and leg stump balls only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Sarfaraz playing a 360 innings

    Doesn’t depend on middle and leg stump balls only
    You could have just written "I didn't watch the Rizwan innings". The subtlety is unnecessary


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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebat View Post
    You could have just written "I didn't watch the Rizwan innings". The subtlety is unnecessary
    I don’t need to watch it to tell you his scoring region is deep Square leg and fine leg. The odd hack to deep mid wicket also

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    Sarafarz is really murdering Wahab's bowling here


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    Sarfaraz finishes on 81 from 40 deliveries, a brilliant knock!


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