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30th July 2016, 09:23 #1
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Australia - the new Test cricket minnows?
Whitewashed in India
Whitewashed in the UAE
Beaten by the weakest Test team right now - SL
Beaten in England
Will most probably be beaten by Bangladesh as well if they tour.
Are we seeing the rise of Bangladesh - and downfall of Australia?
I really miss the Australian team that was the most feared cricket team - Ponting, Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Lee.
They now have a bunch of batsmen who can't play any sort of swing, seam OR spin.Last edited by Hawkeye; 30th July 2016 at 09:25.
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30th July 2016, 09:25 #2
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One feels for Smith, who is the lone world class bat in their team.
Starc still has a lot to prove in Tests where he's been failing. Can't rely on Hazlewood only.
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30th July 2016, 09:28 #3
Poor thread
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30th July 2016, 09:30 #4
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What's with the Australia bashing ?
If they are minnows, Pakistan,SL,India,WI are all minnows.
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30th July 2016, 09:30 #5
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7th consecutive loss in Asia.
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30th July 2016, 09:33 #6
Yeah sure. Can't even score a single runs 30 straight overs against spinners
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30th July 2016, 09:34 #7
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Note that SL are arguably weaker than even Bangladesh, with their current lineup.
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30th July 2016, 09:34 #8
Every team is minnow out side their home.
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30th July 2016, 09:35 #9
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30th July 2016, 09:35 #10
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30th July 2016, 09:35 #11
On the other hand we're capable of winning two tests in a series in England
Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
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30th July 2016, 09:36 #12
All of the top 6 teams are champions at home. SL only to an extent
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30th July 2016, 09:37 #13
When are Aussies touring UAE?
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30th July 2016, 09:40 #14
Before it was - Should Bangladesh be stripped of test status (after losing an ODI)
Now it's "Australia are minnows" after a loss away from home
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30th July 2016, 09:40 #15
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One of their problems in Asia has been playing left arm spin. Jadeja,Zulfi baba and now Herath. SLA's who dart it in and still get turn on turners are hard to deal for most batsmen but especially for these Australian batsmen. Anyway i still expect them to win this series.
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30th July 2016, 09:41 #16
We are the new minnows. One win here and there doesn't change that. Hopefully this win can spark a few into action.
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30th July 2016, 09:42 #17
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30th July 2016, 09:45 #19
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30th July 2016, 09:46 #20
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2nd highest W/L ratio away from home in the last 5 years. Highest W/L ratio at home and overall in the same period and Australia are suddenly minnows in test cricket?
Hawkeye bhai still has not gotten over that thumping by England in the last match eh?
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30th July 2016, 09:47 #21
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30th July 2016, 09:47 #22
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Not minnows but incapable of winning in the subcontinent. Not sure if its smug attitude or what but while sub continent teams are putting hard yards to compete well in alien conditions the Aussies look as if they are not even interested in learning how to play in the subcontinent. They are happy with their home wins on super pattas where the likes of Warner and Vogues are Bradmans.
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30th July 2016, 09:52 #23
Extreme exaggeration.
Aus suck at those countries but they are a destruction machine in 3 other countries (Aus, NZ and SA) where other teams routinely get thrashed more often than not.
Anyways, today's result just proves that Aus are not clear cut number 1. They have lost everything in Asia in recent times. This is like 0-8 that India went through (actually even worse cos Aus is losing in a third country too).
But they still have 2 more tests so you never know.Last edited by sensible-indian-fan; 30th July 2016 at 09:54.
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Not only that. They win in Windies. They won 2 out of five tests in England(competed better than other team barring SA) and they'll probably win this series as well. Also pakistan are actually better off playing in the UAE. i suspect quite a few teams ,including OZ, would have beaten them if they played their cricket at home.
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30th July 2016, 09:56 #27
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30th July 2016, 10:00 #28
So soon we will be whitewashed by the minnows.. What would that make us?
It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.
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30th July 2016, 10:01 #29
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30th July 2016, 10:05 #30
Still.....if you get whitewashed in 2 main countries and you do badly in the 3rd....people will question you.
Calling them minnow is not right but they are going on a worse streak than 0-8 (the only reason Aus didn't get 0-8 and got 0-6 is because UAE series had only 2 tests...now the number is 0-7). If desi teams would go through such streaks, then blood would flow on the roads and wails of pure agony would fill the air.
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30th July 2016, 10:05 #31
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30th July 2016, 10:07 #32
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30th July 2016, 10:07 #34
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Exactly, my friend.
All hell breaks loose if India or Pakistan lose even a SINGLE test away.
We have mass wrist-slitting contests on respective forums. People start calling their own team as minnows.
I'm sure you must have witnessed the meltdown after our 2nd Test loss - even though we comprehensively won the first one.
Now these same people are calling the thread an exaggeration.Which it may very well might be. But that's how PPers roll.
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30th July 2016, 10:09 #36
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30th July 2016, 10:18 #37
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this team is pretty bad. even indians drew a couple of games in australia last time. indians!
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30th July 2016, 10:19 #38
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Australia are historically weak in Asia! Even their strong teams (consisting Waugh, Ponting, Gilchrist, Mc.Grath, Warne, Hayden) used to lose in Asia. (Something similar to Indian Team with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Srinath, Kumble couldn't beat even a dipping West Indies team in late 90s)
Australia are used to playing on true pace pitches. The ball should reach the keeper at shoulder heights. They are always susceptible against Spin and even Swing. And note that they do well in ODIs everywhere because the pitches are flat! They will not do well even in T20s because 1 over, 1 wicket can change the match drastically on non-flat pitches.
They are the real flat-track bullies...
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30th July 2016, 10:23 #39
Pakistan is the worst touring team at the moment as things stand.
With players like Masood, Hafeez, Azhar, Younis, Sarfraz, Wahab, Rahat, Imran, Sohail, Aslam, Iftikhar, Rizwan, Zulfiqar etc., we cannot win Test series in countries like Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and India.
That only leaves Sri Lanka (where the series will be highly competitive and could go either way), West Indies (borderline minnows), Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (minnows).
Replace Australia with Pakistan in the title and this thread might make more sense.
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30th July 2016, 10:24 #40
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Last 16 matches in Asia
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30th July 2016, 10:42 #45
All teams are pretty evenly matched atm .
Especially England , Australia and Pakistan.
The kiwis are a little overrated because they routinely lose at home to good sides like Pak , Australia and England and only beat the weak touring sides like India and Srilanka.
Australia and pakistan is an interesting comparison because both teams put up similar performances on seaming tracks i-e England and Newzealand
Pakistan cant play bounce .
Australia cant play spin and reverse.
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30th July 2016, 10:44 #46
Aren't they the number one Test team? Clearly that ranking has been earned?
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30th July 2016, 11:07 #48
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They will soon, and I expect a thrashing by Aus. We don't have players who can score fast and dominate. Can grind it out all day, yes.
Better than most. England lost to WI in WI recently, lol. Lost ALL matches against us spanning over 2 tours!
We're touring Eng for the first time in years and already won our first match there.
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30th July 2016, 11:14 #49
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Settle down. I was just trolling @Convict.
As I've written elsewhere, I think England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India and Pakistan are pretty much inter-changeable currently. Great at home, lousy in alien conditions.
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In term of touring sides
England
SA
NZ
Australia
India = SL = Pakistan
WI
Pakistan is next to India and SL only because of the loss to Zimbabwe and humiliating defeats to SA. This England series might turn the tide for them.
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You're underestimating New Zealand with hardly any context.
They were pis* poor till 2012 when they were bog average. India won against them at home in 2010, Pakistan won there a year later, England played very poor to come away with a draw iirc. But they transformed as a side afterwards when they became a really competitive side. I'll bet on New Zealand to win at home with relative ease if they were to face Pakistan now at home.
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The NZ side we toured and lost to and that drew in the UAE with Pakistan looked completely different to be honest. Without McCullum they don't look that dangerous and Boult and Southee have looke d mediocre off late. Pakistan have a chance of beating them when they tour as long as they are not green mambas
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30th July 2016, 11:46 #65
Not really !!! There is context to what i am saying .
As poor as they might have been they have always had the better of India.
The side that lost to pakistan was pretty similar to the current team .
Who is thd new addition that makes them.stronger ??
Also while we are predicting the future . Heres a prediction . I expect pakistan to win more matches than india/srilanka over their round of overseas tours .
The mark to beat is 1 . Currently they have 1 win . Lets see.
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30th July 2016, 11:48 #66
Agree but both are quality bowlers. Boult probably was jaded after coming back from a injury.
And as good a captain as B'Mac was, his captaincy was suicidal at time. Williamson has got a very good head on his shoulders and he is probably the most shrewd captain in world cricket atm. Unfair to label them as a one man team too reliant on McCullum.
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No I mean, McCullum was in the firm of his life that season and played a couple of ATG level knocks, Latham was looking a very good opener and their pace attack was firing and even their spinners looked effective. Fast forward today and they don't have Bmac, Latham has fallen off quite a bit bit and you'll be shocked to see how bad Boult and Southee have been off late. They look very jaded and are heavily dependent on Williamson
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30th July 2016, 11:53 #69
Apart from southafrica happily accepting 5 penalty runs for tempering in exchange for a test win in srilanka and the Uae touring sides have generally been pretty poor.
Right now england are as good a touring side as any after their win in India and southafrica but even they were hammered in the UAE and Australia.
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Winning away from home is not easy in this current era. Australia struggle in subcontinent but in South Africa and England for the most part they have done well. I wouldn't say they are minnows away from home but they are ok away from home with plenty of improvement to be made.
From the Asian teams I would say India are the best, they compete well for the most part. Yes they have got thrashed certain times in Australia and England but that can happen as both teams are strong at home.
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Your away tour cycle began with 2013 tour of SA and completes next year with tour of NZ. Similarly our cycle started with the tour of SA in 2013 and ended with the tour if OZ 1.5 years back.
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Anyway this is a pointless comparison. Pakistan barely tour outside of the UAE while teams like India and Australia have gruelling away tours and twice or thrice the amount of cricket played by Pakistan. Ridiculous comparison really. Even SL have toured more. 2 trips to England and NZ respectively.
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30th July 2016, 12:06 #76
How are they ranked #1 with that horror record?
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I can't say anything more if you believe the kiwi side 6 years back are the same now. They drew with Pakistan at the UAE and you're expecting to beat them at home comfortably?
Anyway Pakistan got whitewashed in south africa, so that's one gone. Pakistan have a chance to better India or Lanka's performance in England in the remaining two tests. But I don't see Pakistan raising their performance in Australia. Most probably will struggle there as they always do.
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30th July 2016, 12:20 #80
Well you are the one who thinks they are invincible so the onus is on you to tell me what has changed .
Yes thats around 7 more test matches and i think i am justified in expecting Pakistan to win a match or two out of the 7 . in comparison india played around 13 and won 1 .
Lets see how it goes.Last edited by ethan hunt; 30th July 2016 at 12:21.