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    Mohammad Hafeez has the 2nd worst record for a batsman outside Asia in the history of Test cricket!

    Thanks @Gotham Cronie for this:

    In the history of Test Cricket, 377 players have played 25+ innings in the Top 6 outside Asia

    Mohammad Hafeez is ranked 376 out of 377 in terms of average

    95
    15
    19
    32
    13
    10
    10
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    0
    32
    1
    2
    4
    32
    8
    2
    6
    0
    17
    0
    18
    0
    40
    42
    18
    2
    0

    Innings: 27
    Runs: 427
    Average: 16.42
    100s: 0
    50s: 1

    I'll let you do the math if you exclude that first innings.


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    The answer to the last question is an average of 12

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    Lol the funny thing is that these really aren't the worst conditions ever either for batsmen

    Only God knows how much he would have averaged if he played here in 2010

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    Can people start tweeting this to him and the team? He maybe dropped in the future after this.


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    And people ask why we struggle outside SC.

    When you have a legend like him in top order, what else can be expected?

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    Outside asia as in second worst in England? who is no.1 bhai saab?

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    Who are the top 5


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    We are playing with 10 men when Hafeez is in the line up outside of Asia
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Outside asia as in second worst in England? who is no.1 bhai saab?
    Mohammad Ashraful, also thank @Gotham Cronie for that.

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    Wow man, before the Test series, I backed Mohammad Hafeez to be our 2nd highest run scorer..... Well... he still does have 2 innings left to set that right

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    To do well outside of Asia, you need openers who can give you a good start. But when you this honourable gentleman batting at the top, what can one expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    Mohammad Ashraful, also thank @Gotham Cronie for that.
    Wow what a waste. That guy could have been a world class bat for BD. From handing McGrath, Gillespie and co spankings to handing customers Biryani in BD.

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    Any idea where is Salman Butt ranked on that list before I apologize to @Junaids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    Wow man, before the Test series, I backed Mohammad Hafeez to be our 2nd highest run scorer..... Well... he still does have 2 innings left to set that right
    That wasn't a bad prediction, post drainage system use the pitches have been been flat in England and they rarely leave enough grass to cause you significant problems. Besides England gave our attack a little respect to and it would serve them better to prepare pitches which have a little bit of everything but generally great for batting as the pitch wears. Hafeez has failed in conditions which are tailor made for his style of play, it's not even a technical issue but more of a left his marbles under his pillow in the UAE issue.

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    Would love to see the look on Pakistani faces when Hafeez scores a swash buckling 100 in Oval.....


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    He's a legend in Asia but a tailender otherwise

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    This is a deliberate insult to MoHa, Pakistan's National Treasure. Through out his career, mostly, he has batted at 1, 2 & 3 - like most greats did; therefore the quarry should have been run with only top 3 positions. For his honour, I have run the quarry with top 3 positions. There is a massive improvement - now he is last among only 199 that qualifies.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

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    Poor timing, should've waited till after Oval 2016.

    Haters scared that if he scores in this game then they can't make threads.

    Saw him training on Instagram via Shan's account, he's going to come out guns blazing this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    This is a deliberate insult to MoHa, Pakistan's National Treasure. Through out his career, mostly, he has batted at 1, 2 & 3 - like most greats did; therefore the quarry should have been run with only top 3 positions. For his honour, I have run the quarry with top 3 positions. There is a massive improvement - now he is last among only 199 that qualifies.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
    Reverse the list and Hafeez will be #1.

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    Not sure what would have happened if he had to face bowlers like Ambrose, Walsh, McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, Bond, etc.

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    There are lies, damn lies and then there is this stat. WOW.


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    Damning stats but amazingly some ppl on here put hafeez in top five best Pakistani openers ever !
    So sad.
    I'm not an hafeez hater but Pakistani public should have higher expectations


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Poor timing, should've waited till after Oval 2016.

    Haters scared that if he scores in this game then they can't make threads.

    Saw him training on Instagram via Shan's account, he's going to come out guns blazing this time
    Are u surprised or unsurprised by the stats?


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    There must be bowlers with better averages than hafeez outside asia!

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    Seriously, shezzie or umar would have done far better than hafeez as openers, even their haters must admit to this, surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Poor timing, should've waited till after Oval 2016.

    Haters scared that if he scores in this game then they can't make threads.

    Saw him training on Instagram via Shan's account, he's going to come out guns blazing this time
    Basically this.

    Hafeez is a class act, we don't have a better stroke-maker and timer than him who can play shots all around the park, score freely and bat with soft hands.

    Haters will have no words to say when Hafeez scores a double ton on the green mamba that's waiting for us at the Oval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Poor timing, should've waited till after Oval 2016.

    Haters scared that if he scores in this game then they can't make threads.

    Saw him training on Instagram via Shan's account, he's going to come out guns blazing this time
    All thats going to happen is hafeez shooting himself in the foot, just like you have done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkeye View Post
    basically this.

    Hafeez is a class act, we don't have a better stroke-maker and timer than him who can play shots all around the park, score freely and bat with soft hands.
    umar akmal!

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    In the 68 years History of Pakistan No Pakistan Opener has scored more than 8 Test Centuries in Asia other than Great Hanif Mohammad & Mohammad Hafeez.


    No Pakistan Opener Averages more than 50.18 in Asia than Mohammad Hafeez.



    1. Mohammad Hafeez :





    2. Saeed Anwar :





    3. Shoaib Mohammad :





    4. Hanif Mohammad :





    5. Majid Khan :





    6. Taufeeq Umar :






    Pak ATG in Asia :-)

    V v Poor Outside Asia :-(








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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post

    V v Poor Outside Asia :-(








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    Whats this got to do with TEST MATCH cricket?

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    Give me one last chance as Opener in Oval

    If i deliver allow me to Surpass Majid Khan tally of 63 Tests If not than jesay aapki marzi :'(

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Whats this got to do with TEST MATCH cricket?
    How many Tests has he won you in Asia with Bat & Ball ? Where to place those wins ? In Dustbin ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    How many Tests has he won you in Asia with Bat & Ball ? Where to place those wins ? In Dustbin ?

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    I personally think hafeez is a great batsman in tests played in ASIA!

    But his performance in england was expected!

    Also age is against him, better to invest in someone younger.

    Just out of curiousity, how do you think shezzie or umar would have faired if they had been selected as openers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    I personally think hafeez is a great batsman in tests played in ASIA!

    But his performance in england was expected!

    Also age is against him, better to invest in someone younger.

    Just out of curiousity, how do you think shezzie or umar would have faired if they had been selected as openers?
    Very Poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Very Poor.

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    Fair enough, thanks bro!

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    Even in Mohammad Hafeez's 151 v England at Sharjah, Jonny Bairstow missed BOTH a catch AND a stumping, and Stuart Broad dropped a second catch.

    So he was out four times for 151.

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    I bet even some lower order batsmen average better than this. What a disgrace! If Hafeez is considered one of our best than what kind of bar are we setting for youngsters? Should've been shown the door 2-3 years back

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    Woah, Hafeez must be delighted to have been in the same list as Charles Bannerman :X

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Thanks @Gotham Cronie for this:

    In the history of Test Cricket, 377 players have played 25+ innings in the Top 6 outside Asia

    Mohammad Hafeez is ranked 376 out of 377 in terms of average

    95
    15
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    8
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    40
    42
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    Innings: 27
    Runs: 427
    Average: 16.42
    100s: 0
    50s: 1

    I'll let you do the math if you exclude that first innings.


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    The answer to the last question is an average of 12

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    Funny how his highest overseas test score came in his first game abroad in England!

    Back in 2006 - Hafeez was not even a renown batsman and was in and out of the team. Did not have the seniority status or experience that he does today.

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    Kohinoor diamond of Pakistan.

    Never pondered over his performance, his career has gone fairly unnoticed.

    Rameez Raja makes you believe that Hafeez is second coming of Sir Don.

    Hafeez has reaped benefits of staying controversy free, stayed away from direct limelight. He has not made enemies even after chucking ban unlike loud mouth Ajmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Would love to see the look on Pakistani faces when Hafeez scores a swash buckling 100 in Oval.....
    Should be dropped regardless.

    No need for players who score 0 in one innings and 100 in the next.

    Azhar and Asad are inconsistent too but atleast one one good innings during this tour so far and have far more balanced records than Hafeez.

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    Nobody is seeing the improvement in his batting average, it was 14.7 before this series, which sky rocketed to 16.4

    His average before this series and excluding 95 in first inning was 10.9 runs, 230 runs in 21 innings.

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    Stop defaming him.

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    Big fan of his, but he was a major reason as to why we lost the Edgbaston Test.

    Pakistan > Hafeez, therefore, he needs to be dropped.

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    What is Ashwins avg outside Asia?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What is Ashwins avg outside Asia?
    32.25

    27.6 in Oz
    35.33 in Eng
    18 in SA
    58 in WI

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Seriously, shezzie or umar would have done far better than hafeez as openers, even their haters must admit to this, surely?
    yep.

    but its true that he had been performing in UAE so it wouldnt have been fair to just drop him like that

    and then we also would have had PPers hyping him to the moon because the replacements invariably would have done poorly too

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Funny how his highest overseas test score came in his first game abroad in England!

    Back in 2006 - Hafeez was not even a renown batsman and was in and out of the team. Did not have the seniority status or experience that he does today.
    Not that strange. It was the Ovalgate Test - even Imran Farhat scored 93. The pitch was as dead as a doornail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraltofrivia View Post
    32.25

    27.6 in Oz
    35.33 in Eng
    18 in SA
    58 in WI
    Lol Ashwin can play as opening batsman for Pakistan.


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    He is that bad outside Asia? Can't believe it


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    Really surprised. I knew he was bad but I didn't know he was this mediocre.

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    misleading stats. pakistan has without question had to face worse tracks than any team i can remember in recent history. i'm sure if you consider the proportion of runs made in an inning, hafeez has quite well.

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    Surely one of the worst batters in the history of the game to play more than 40 Tests. His 2 omnishambolic dismissals in Birmingham represented the inner dialogue of a man with neither the motivation nor the stomach for a scrap. For the good of Pakistan cricket, he should be dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anuk View Post
    misleading stats. pakistan has without question had to face worse tracks than any team i can remember in recent history. i'm sure if you consider the proportion of runs made in an inning, hafeez has quite well.
    Please tell me that you are joking!

    In fact, the reverse is true. Hafeez was not selected for the last 2 tours of Australia or the 2010 tour of England so he has actually missed the toughest conditions.

    Whereas this tour of England has been played in much higher-scoring conditions with no live grass on the pitches at all.

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    On a separate note, just look at the fixer Ashraful's average of 10.91!

    Mohammad Hafeez really can hold his head up high, with pride.

    Because in the 140 year history of cricket, there was once a batsman even worse than Mohammad Hafeez!

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    Take the 3 hundreds vs Bangladesh out and even his record in Asia isn't that great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Surely one of the worst batters in the history of the game to play more than 40 Tests. His 2 omnishambolic dismissals in Birmingham represented the inner dialogue of a man with neither the motivation nor the stomach for a scrap. For the good of Pakistan cricket, he should be dropped.
    Hes been the symbolism of medocrity in pakistans batting for last 10 years, the fact he can bowl a few overs here and there have got this joke of a player a free ride in the test side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    On a separate note, just look at the fixer Ashraful's average of 10.91!

    Mohammad Hafeez really can hold his head up high, with pride.

    Because in the 140 year history of cricket, there was once a batsman even worse than Mohammad Hafeez!
    LMAO at you using 'fixer' as an insult.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    Take the 3 hundreds vs Bangladesh out and even his record in Asia isn't that great.
    In Asia he averages 50

    If you take out Bangla its 48

    still pretty good imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    LMAO at you using 'fixer' as an insult.....
    I am no hypocrite about this.

    I accepted the guilt of Amir, Asif and Butt from the start.

    I just think that once their sentence is served, they are as selectable as anyone else. It's called the rule of law.

    I don't seek to whitewash or justify the behaviour of the banned fixers. I just think that when their sentences are served, the sentences are finished.
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    In the future when historians look back at the dark days of Pakistan cricket it will be plainly obvious what the causes were.

    They'll just tally the matches played by Afridi, Shoaib Malik and Hafeez. Then they'll just calculate their returns, especially against half decent sides.

    Undoubtedly, many will continue to bury their heads and revise history.

    You reap what you sow. If you support such players then you have no right to criticise the malaise that engulfed our team for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    In Asia he averages 50

    If you take out Bangla its 48

    still pretty good imo
    So it means in Asia he should open and outside should bat at 6 :p

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    Am sure PCB and Hafeez will be pushing for last place so he can be the worst player ever in this category.

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    When Faisal Iqbal is above you on the list then you must be really really bad!

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    He's been Pakistan's best ODI batsman for 6 years now and has done decently in UAE tests atleast. I think he just loses his mind when playing away from home in tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Whats this got to do with TEST MATCH cricket?
    Lol this is the problem with hafeez s advocates - they can't see the wood from the trees anymore .
    Hafeez is good on slow flat pitches.
    On anything bouncy, or with pace he struggles because his technical issues get exposed.
    As a self styled snr player he has really let us down this series.
    20 year old Sami made him look very very ordinary .
    The self styled I'm great at thre facets of the game proved to be a false dawn.
    First he s a chucker who had failed to correct his tainted action.
    Second he dropped a straighforward chance of root ( England's best batsmen) which changed the course of the test match proving his fielding outside UAE is as ordinarily as his batting.
    Third and final is his batting - he s looked completely out of depth, also irresponsible


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    Hafeez is a good batsman in Asia but outside Asia he is just awful.

    He's gonna pad his stats against WI in UAE. Watch he's gonna average 45+ and the selectors will keep him around for the NZ tour.

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    MoHa is hardly an average player in Asia & a tail-ender outside.

    He is among very few Pakistani beneficiary of 9/3 - that forced PAK to play home matches in UAE. One distinct disadvantage in PAK over UAE is that, in PAK, no matter how flat it is, in winter, ball 'll swing, often all day in north & it'll seam in morning session. In UAE, by 10:15 am, whatever moisture is there, it evaporates & the air is so dry that it hardly swings there.

    What MoHa did outside Asia was covered by his UAE heroics & he successfully managed to keep any incumbent out of team. In that period of his glory days, he played in SAF once & we have seen him there. This is what interesting observation - Jamshed had a great series in India, then failed in SAF, did reasonably in CT 2013; still couldn't keep his spot; MoHa had a nightmare in SAF & UK; that helped him to avoid Styen in UAE later & he came back to roost against SRL thereafter coming back.

    Sulman Butts exile did help him, but had PAK played home Tests in PAK, even on flattest of wickets, just for early moisture, this tail-ender would have lost his spot, at least opening spot. The stats that we see by his name in Asia, I can name half a dozen players who would have matched that, had they been given a free run like him for 5 years. In 2012, England series was played in Dec/Jan - even in UAE that time, there is some overnight dew & moisture - can someone post his stats in that series?

    After Saeed-Sohail, each & everyone of Yasir, Farhat, Taufiq, Butt & Jamshed are better Test openers than this guy & each one would have matched his Asian stats in identical context, if not better. His Asian record excluding BD is also great, because that's boosted by a worthless 196 at Kandy (?) on a shockingly rubbis wicket, when Lankans went to protect 1-0 advantage.

    LO is all together different scenario & he is definitely the MVP for PAK in last few years. With his old action, he was a wonderful ODI all-rounder as most ODI is played on absolute belters & this guy is a treat to watch or his timing, when he can hit through the line with his planted feet. Still, when chips are down, often this guy wets his ..... You know.

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    Geez didn't know it was that bad. Just a single 50+ knock out of 27 innings. Wow!

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    It's an open secret, much like yk's numbers vs pace when traveling away. The numbers tell you that both players will fail out of Asia.
    But you can't kick our players till they are a big part of your success at home. Now, however, you have a reason to get rid of them. Sacrifice the England series to rid yourself of yk and Hafeez so that you have a greater shot at a win in ANZ

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    A batsman like hafeez still playing , shows the incompetence of PCB


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    Some murmurs of a potential return for Mohammad hafeez to save the day for us in New Zealand and Australia tours....

    The murmurs are from Inzi no less!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Some murmurs of a potential return for Mohammad hafeez to save the day for us in New Zealand and Australia tours....

    The murmurs are from Inzi no less!
    This is akin to recalling Afridi because your other batsmen keep getting out slogging.

    It does not make sense.

    Hopefully he was just humouring him after that mammoth presser that Hafeez gave yesterday.

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    Considering Inzi was never too good in Australia/South Africa, he probably thinks Hafeez has a passable record there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Considering Inzi was never too good in Australia/South Africa, he probably thinks Hafeez has a passable record there.
    In all the Test Series which Pakistan have played in New Zealand, they were only defeated once; way back during the 1984/85 series.

    In 21 Test Series, New Zealand have only beaten Pakistan twice. Once at home and once away. New Zealand have won only one Test series more then Zimbabwe against Pakistan.


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    Knowing how miserable he feels against any quality bowling, I'm not surprised with these stats. Surprisingly, Misbah and Inzi still wants him back in the team. He is an old and useless, as he has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Thanks @Gotham Cronie for this:

    In the history of Test Cricket, 377 players have played 25+ innings in the Top 6 outside Asia

    Mohammad Hafeez is ranked 376 out of 377 in terms of average

    95
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    Innings: 27
    Runs: 427
    Average: 16.42
    100s: 0
    50s: 1

    I'll let you do the math if you exclude that first innings.


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    The answer to the last question is an average of 12

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    Mohammad Hafeez really is proof that statistics never lie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Mohammad Hafeez really is proof that statistics never lie!
    Even Ashraful was probably a better batsman than hafeez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Mohammad Hafeez really is proof that statistics never lie!
    He is the second most senior batsman in the team according to stats, being the second most senior does warrants him an automatic selection in Pakistani culture.

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    the torture continues. Just growing beard doesn't mean you will become a man.

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    Disgraceful record.

    Im astonished that this failed batsman still feels qualified to feel sorry for himself.


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