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    Interpol cancels red corner notice against Zakir Naik citing insufficient evidence [Post #69]

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    The Indian government, while declaring the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) an ‘unlawful’ organisation, is set to slap terror charges on the televangelist Zakir Naik, whose ‘hate speech’ was reported to have inspired one of the five Dhaka cafe attackers.

    According to reports, top government sources revealed that the Indian home ministry has decided to charge Naik under the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA) for speeches the ministry and the Maharashtra government has allegedly found containing extremist content, Times of India reported.

    Last month, the Bangladesh government banned Naik’s channel Peace TV. The decision to ban Peace TV Bangla was taken during a special meeting of Cabinet Committee on Law and Order, according to Industry Minister Aamir Hossain Amu, who chaired the meeting.


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    Good, well deserved.

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    Great news!

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    He undoubtedly spews garbage and caters to third-rate minds but I don't necessarily think he incites terrorism. If the only piece of evidence the Indian government have against him is that one of the Dhaka terrorist's inactive for years twitter account followed him then that isn't good enough I'm afraid. Furthermore, this sort of a move, on such flimsy grounds, may make him a martyr and raise his profile even more among certain quarters of Muslims and perpetuate the whole victim angle. I really hope there is more concrete evidence underlying this move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dios View Post
    He undoubtedly spews garbage and caters to third-rate minds but I don't necessarily think he incites terrorism. If the only piece of evidence the Indian government have against him is that one of the Dhaka terrorist's inactive for years twitter account followed him then that isn't good enough I'm afraid. Furthermore, this sort of a move, on such flimsy grounds, may make him a martyr and raise his profile even more among certain quarters of Muslims and perpetuate the whole victim angle. I really hope there is more concrete evidence underlying this move.
    It's funny because there were a lot of protests against him from fellow muslim scholars from UP and surrounding areas in India when the holey artisan attack happened. They made the most vehement calls to arrest him when news about the attacker getting inspired from Zakir Naik broke out.

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    Good move to make him more famous among people
    Last edited by #GreenRoars; 28th August 2016 at 10:23.


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    Meanwhile..... Cow vigilante killers and other fascists roam free.... In most instances with helping hand from the police...

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    Some very poor comments on this thread about a scholar who is well respected by millions round the world

    No one is bothered to see any direct link between him and Dhaka attack

    Many who don't like him are patently anti Muslim and that is not really a shock


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    How many muslim countries banned him

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Some very poor comments on this thread about a scholar who is well respected by millions round the world

    No one is bothered to see any direct link between him and Dhaka attack

    Many who don't like him are patently anti Muslim and that is not really a shock
    That is not the right way of viewing things. That is like calling people antihindu for criticizing everytime a random hindutva nutjob gives out an idiotic statement. He certainly has made a lot of inflammatory comments in the past and has been banned for hate speech by secular countries like the UK, Canada, and even a muslim countries like Bangladesh and was barred from giving a speech in a Malaysian university, forget about India. I believe myself to be not anti muslim but I do think he tends to spew a lot of garbage. The 2+2=5 and westerners are pigs comments certainly do him no favours. It's notable that he has the most criticisms within the muslim community itself than outside it. He received more than his usual coverage only after that Bangladesh attacker revelation, until then he was free to propagate his speech despite his track record of the many inflammatory comments.

    To be honest, I don't even think Zakir Naik directly inspires terrorists. It's just that he interprets the verses directly without giving it a politically correct make up while others do not. In reality, every religion like Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism has these sort of verses but it's just that people hide the bad parts and present only the good parts so that they are more "marketable". Tells you more about religion than anything else.

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    Nothing will happen to him, he needn't worry. We are masters of talking of supposed 'dire consequences' but when the time comes to act on our promises, we go cold like a senior citizen elephant.

    Interesting to note the reactions of the guys who are making him look like a martyr though; I'm 100% sure they never heard or knew of him prior to the Dhaka attacks and are now standing up for him just because he shares the same religion as them and nothing else. Flimsy as hell.

    And on another note, love him or hate him, but Arnab has completely destroyed him over the past month. He won't be coming back from Saudi Arabia in a hurry me thinks, and anybody who goes there and seeks sanctuary is a shady character by any standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Some very poor comments on this thread about a scholar who is well respected by millions round the world

    No one is bothered to see any direct link between him and Dhaka attack

    Many who don't like him are patently anti Muslim and that is not really a shock
    I'm sure anyone who doesn't like Anjem Choudary is automatically anti-Muslim to you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Some very poor comments on this thread about a scholar who is well respected by millions round the world

    No one is bothered to see any direct link between him and Dhaka attack

    Many who don't like him are patently anti Muslim and that is not really a shock
    Clearly a man who owns a TV channel called "Peace TV", advocates dialogue and common understanding between people of all faiths, is going to be seen as a terror threat by this warped & deranged Indian administration

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    Quote Originally Posted by the SHA View Post
    Clearly a man who owns a TV channel called "Peace TV", advocates dialogue and common understanding between people of all faiths, is going to be seen as a terror threat by this warped & deranged Indian administration
    Here are ten controversial statements that Zakir Naik has made over the years:

    1. Naik says Islam is superior to all other faiths. Non-Muslims should not be allowed to have places of religious worship in an Islamic country.

    2. Muslims have the right to have sex with their female slaves.

    3. Sania Mirza should dress modestly while playing keeping in mind her Muslim faith.

    4. Girls shouldn't be sent to schools where they lose their virginity by the time they pass out. Schools should be shut down. They should not be allowed to wear gold ornaments.

    5. In the West, they are selling their daughters and mothers in the name of women's liberation.

    6. Wife-beating in the Muslim world is not necessarily a bad thing. Naik says the use of condom during sex is akin to killing a human being.

    7. Death by stoning or lapidation for having sex outside marriage is acceptable according to Sharia law.

    8. Based on teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah, Naik says homosexuals should be killed.

    9. Suicide attacks advised by clerics is not bad. He refuses to condemn Osama bin Laden and claims that 9/11 was an inside job.

    10. The Islamic scholar says Muslim should seek help only from Allah and no one else, not even the Prophet - a belief which supports the Sunni view. Islamic State has used this particular understanding to justify violence against Sufis, Shias and Ahmadis.

    Source -> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/t.../1/709374.html

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    If curtailing him for the above (and I'm sure there are more) makes us 'deranged', so be it. Meanwhile, I can conclude at least a couple of points about you:

    1. You have never heard of Zakir Naik prior to his alleged involvement in the Dhaka cafe siege.

    2. You are rushing to his defense for the simple reason that he is a Muslim and you are one too, with no brainpower used to deduce that any one or more of the above 10 statements might lead to the next wisecrack bombing a train station, blowing up a shopping mart, or flying planes into buildings.

    What have you got to lose by offloading Zakir Naik? If a Rajinder Patel and his videographed inflammatory statements are the cause for a sheeshah joint in Kabul being laid under siege, I couldn't care less about him. Actually, I wouldn't give a damn about him anyway. Why do you?

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    I'm not a big fan of him by any means but seriously what is the terrorist link ?

    Sounds dubious and another trumped up charge.

    How about they slap terrorism charges against those who participated in the 2002 Gujarat riots or the 1992 Mumbai massacre where thousands died or the 1984 Delhi slaughter. So many are walking free with blood on their hands but when are they going to be prosecuted ?

    Its Easy to go after and prosecute soft visible targets but it means nothing when those guilty of heinous crimes get away Scott free.

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    If the only evidence in slapping terror charges is a complaint from Bangladesh that certain idiots got inspired by his speech, then the case is pretty weak me thinks.

    When terrorists say that they got inspired by some quotes from Quran, is India going to ban Quran?

    I know kids who ruined their lives after getting inspired by some characters in movies. So are we going to ban movies?

    Unless there is a direct connection between terrorists and Zakir bhai, there should not be any ban or terror charges.

    I am not supporting Zakir Naik here. He makes a lot of clownish statements and his theories are full of comedy when he quotes science to support Quran. But the case is pretty weak here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Here are ten controversial statements that Zakir Naik has made over the years:

    1. Naik says Islam is superior to all other faiths. Non-Muslims should not be allowed to have places of religious worship in an Islamic country.

    2. Muslims have the right to have sex with their female slaves.

    3. Sania Mirza should dress modestly while playing keeping in mind her Muslim faith.

    4. Girls shouldn't be sent to schools where they lose their virginity by the time they pass out. Schools should be shut down. They should not be allowed to wear gold ornaments.

    5. In the West, they are selling their daughters and mothers in the name of women's liberation.

    6. Wife-beating in the Muslim world is not necessarily a bad thing. Naik says the use of condom during sex is akin to killing a human being.

    7. Death by stoning or lapidation for having sex outside marriage is acceptable according to Sharia law.

    8. Based on teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah, Naik says homosexuals should be killed.

    9. Suicide attacks advised by clerics is not bad. He refuses to condemn Osama bin Laden and claims that 9/11 was an inside job.

    10. The Islamic scholar says Muslim should seek help only from Allah and no one else, not even the Prophet - a belief which supports the Sunni view. Islamic State has used this particular understanding to justify violence against Sufis, Shias and Ahmadis.

    Source -> http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/t.../1/709374.html

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    If curtailing him for the above (and I'm sure there are more) makes us 'deranged', so be it. Meanwhile, I can conclude at least a couple of points about you:

    1. You have never heard of Zakir Naik prior to his alleged involvement in the Dhaka cafe siege.

    2. You are rushing to his defense for the simple reason that he is a Muslim and you are one too, with no brainpower used to deduce that any one or more of the above 10 statements might lead to the next wisecrack bombing a train station, blowing up a shopping mart, or flying planes into buildings.

    What have you got to lose by offloading Zakir Naik? If a Rajinder Patel and his videographed inflammatory statements are the cause for a sheeshah joint in Kabul being laid under siege, I couldn't care less about him. Actually, I wouldn't give a damn about him anyway. Why do you?
    not trying to be inflammatory but aren't most of these said in the quran anyway? can't blame him for saying what he's been taught? i'd like one of the many muslim scholars here to answer this.

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    With his links to the Dhaka terror perpetrators and his links to people joining ISIS he needs to be prosecuted.Good that action is being taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    With his links to the Dhaka terror perpetrators and his links to people joining ISIS he needs to be prosecuted.Good that action is being taken.
    Did Zakir Naik directly call Dhaka idiots over phone to attack foreigners?

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    Members of his organisation were behind recruitment of keralites who joined ISIS, many muslim organisations and parties including Muslim league supported him initially but after the news of his organisation's role behind ISIS recruitment spread they became silent.

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    There may be grounds for implicating him for hate speech but after having read the whole thread i don't see where the terror link or proof lies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    5. In the West, they are selling their daughters and mothers in the name of women's liberation.
    Blanket , and often wrong, criticism of "the west" is not uncommon in not just the subcontinent, but also in East Asia. Some of the stuff you hear ..

    1) West is materialistic, they only care about money (as opposed of course to the East, where people care for morality and peoples rights instead of money)

    2) Western parents kick their kids out when they turn 18

    3) In West a woman is treated like a commodity, while in East they are respected for what they can do and not their looks

    4) Divorce is widespread in West (what is preferable of course is the culture where a woman should remain with even the most abusive husband)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    With his links to the Dhaka terror perpetrators and his links to people joining ISIS he needs to be prosecuted.Good that action is being taken.
    Please expand on this,the amount of link he has with Dhaka terrorists which is still lower than the link between VHP-Samjhuata blasts and VHP-RSS = Gujarat Riots. There is enough evidence even the words from Praveen Togadia after Akbar (MIM) leader is more than enough to prove their links.

    I dislike Zakir Naik myself but lets be religious neutral and put all the religious nutcases behind bars and ban their organizations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHorn View Post
    Blanket , and often wrong, criticism of "the west" is not uncommon in not just the subcontinent, but also in East Asia. Some of the stuff you hear ..

    1) West is materialistic, they only care about money (as opposed of course to the East, where people care for morality and peoples rights instead of money)

    2) Western parents kick their kids out when they turn 18

    3) In West a woman is treated like a commodity, while in East they are respected for what they can do and not their looks

    4) Divorce is widespread in West (what is preferable of course is the culture where a woman should remain with even the most abusive husband)
    Cool, I hope everyone here has a consensus on the remaining nine points as well.

    Bottomline? The guy is a grade-A numpty.

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    4. Girls shouldn't be sent to schools where they lose their virginity by the time they pass out. Schools should be shut down. They should not be allowed to wear gold ornaments.

    Lol, He owns a school, and girls are allowed in that school.

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    he may be a nutcase but he has nothing to do with the Dhaka attackers. Just because one of them may have liked his page or listened to his lectures means nothing, particularly when Zakir Naik, for all his outlandish claims, has treaded carefully to not be seen as encouraging violence.

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    Can you guys post some of his videos encouraging violence or promoting terrorism? I have listened to many of his lectures in past (not his fan and have different views on many issues) but never saw him encouraging violence or promoting terrorism.

    Yes listened to his theories of 9/11 and talks on Taliban/Laden but even than he was very careful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Please expand on this,the amount of link he has with Dhaka terrorists which is still lower than the link between VHP-Samjhuata blasts and VHP-RSS = Gujarat Riots. There is enough evidence even the words from Praveen Togadia after Akbar (MIM) leader is more than enough to prove their links.

    I dislike Zakir Naik myself but lets be religious neutral and put all the religious nutcases behind bars and ban their organizations.
    We need to wait till the investigation report become public to know the details of charges. Father of kerala youth who joined ISIS said that zakir's organisation radicalised his son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Cool, I hope everyone here has a consensus on the remaining nine points as well.

    Bottomline? The guy is a grade-A numpty.
    Ok. So that makes him a terror threat then?

    You may disagree with his views on women. But I fail to see how any of the quotes you've produced confirm him as a terror threat. This is what this thread and the alleged charge is about.

    Like I said. Deranged and warped. Add to that ideologically motivated by a religiously intolerant administration. No one is really surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the SHA View Post
    Like I said. Deranged and warped. Add to that ideologically motivated by a religiously intolerant administration. No one is really surprised.
    So, am I right about you (and others like you) on both counts below? :

    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    1. You have never heard of Zakir Naik prior to his alleged involvement in the Dhaka cafe siege.

    2. You are rushing to his defense for the simple reason that he is a Muslim and you are one too, with no brainpower used to deduce that any one or more of the above 10 statements might lead to the next wisecrack bombing a train station, blowing up a shopping mart, or flying planes into buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike Rate View Post
    Can you guys post some of his videos encouraging violence or promoting terrorism? I have listened to many of his lectures in past (not his fan and have different views on many issues) but never saw him encouraging violence or promoting terrorism.

    Yes listened to his theories of 9/11 and talks on Taliban/Laden but even than he was very careful.
    He has never promoted terrorism and all.

    Problem is, one of the Dhaka terrorist was following him on twitter


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    Quote Originally Posted by #GreenRoars View Post
    He has never promoted terrorism and all.

    Problem is, one of the Dhaka terrorist was following him on twitter
    That, and:

    Rohan Imtiaz, one of the suspected attackers of the terror attack carried out in Holey Artisan Bakery cafe, is said to have posted a message on Facebook quoting Naik prior to the attack.

    Source
    The guy was shady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #GreenRoars View Post
    He has never promoted terrorism and all.

    Problem is, one of the Dhaka terrorist was following him on twitter
    OMG what if that attacker was a follower of Trump and had like one of his tweet?


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    Can't argue against him so lets ban him and arrest him. That's what it looks like to me. Don't see any link at all. There is a reason why he is very well respected as a Muslim scholar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    Can't argue against him so lets ban him and arrest him. That's what it looks like to me. Don't see any link at all. There is a reason why he is very well respected as a Muslim scholar.
    I don't respect him as a scholar. I think he is a demagogue. Ahmed Deedat was better, though not a fan of him either.

    But there is no case for banning him. His worst offence is demeaning other communities, especially westerners, and being equivocal on well known terrorists. Let him be defeated through debates. Banning is a cop out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    Can't argue against him so lets ban him and arrest him. That's what it looks like to me. Don't see any link at all. There is a reason why he is very well respected as a Muslim scholar.

    People respect him? Really have you listened to his views? Even after listening to his views how can any sane human being respect someone like him??

    He may not have any links to terrorism and might get vindicated by the courts but that does not mean the guy is not a loony and our society is better of without idiots like him giving free speeches..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    Can't argue against him so lets ban him and arrest him. That's what it looks like to me. Don't see any link at all. There is a reason why he is very well respected as a Muslim scholar.
    He seems to see it a little differently. For him, it's more like "Can't get away with borderline terror speaches anymore so let's run away to Saudi Arabia and hide!"

    How would such a guy be well respected? What do you see in him? Over in the cricket forum you folks go head over heels over any cricketer from any nation who sprouts a beard (Moeen, Hashim; "wonderful human being, "role model and inspiration" blah blah) so is that it? It's the beard, innit?

    By the way, a certain Arnab Goswami - love him or hate him - has nuked him over many shows. For your viewing pleasure in chronological order:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6UpPZl9Fx8
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M2UHH3iHCQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpm21KbDd3Y
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlWpbFw-l8U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoNaDSMPke4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIw7NWweJZ4

    You can watch bits of each, you'll get the gist. Meanwhile, this is all Zakir Naik can come up with as a reply:



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    Indian Islamic preacher, Dr Zakir Naik, who is wanted by authorities in Delhi for alleged terrorist offences, has been granted citizenship by Saudi Arabia.

    Arab sources reported that King Salman had intervened to grant Naik Saudi citizenship to protect him from arrest by the International Police Organisation, Interpol.
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.m...tizenship/amp/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post

    Win win situation for Zakir aswell as India.


    Personally I am disappointed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Win win situation for Zakir aswell as India.


    Personally I am disappointed.
    Where would you have preferred he'd gone?


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    Alhamdulliah. The corrupt Indian authorities can keep whining all they like but Dr. Naik is safe for now. He's made some mistakes during his speeches and said things that he shouldn't have but to connect him to a terrorist attack is absolute garbage.


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    Looking at what is going on India all Indian Muslims should try to get out of there or move to Muslim majority areas.

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    Zakir always disagreed with the creation of Pakistan. I am sure this experience will at least make him reconsider if not change his views.


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    Zakir loved in Malaysia,Saudi authorities wow what a surprise lol.


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    Good.Now please keep him there forever.We already have our fair share of nutcases in this country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Where would you have preferred he'd gone?

    I would have preferred him to stay in India and face the charges layed against him infront of Indian Institutes aswell as Courts and come out Clean rather than running away.


    The way Millions of Indian Muslims bow infront of government institutes and submit to their Judiciary when there is any Allegation or Charge Sheet against them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    I would have preferred him to stay in India and face the charges layed against him infront of Indian Institutes aswell as Courts and come out Clean rather than running away.


    The way Millions of Indian Muslims bow infront of government institutes and submit to their Judiciary when there is any Allegation or Charge Sheet against them.
    I doubt he would have received a fair trail. There is nothing in his speeches indicting he was inciting terrorism. This was just a Hindutva attack on someone who openly helped Hindu's convert.

    I don't agree with much as what he says but his citizenship in Saudi is no different to seeking asylum.


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    I think India should do a "sir gi kal" strike in KSA for the most wanted man...


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I doubt he would have received a fair trail. There is nothing in his speeches indicting he was inciting terrorism. This was just a Hindutva attack on someone who openly helped Hindu's convert.

    I don't agree with much as what he says but his citizenship in Saudi is no different to seeking asylum.
    Why is he banned in UK Canada Bangladesh? Hindutva attack?

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    Very good for India. No need of such terrorists spitting out hatred and promoting terror. Hope he gets banned in Pakistan too, inshAllah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why is he banned in UK Canada Bangladesh? Hindutva attack?
    Why isn't he banned in the hundred plus countries you haven't mentioned?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Why isn't he banned in the hundred plus countries you haven't mentioned?
    He is banned in the country whose flag you sport,so tell me why is he banned in UK?Is it due to Hindutva attack?Why was his judicial challenge to the ban also thrown out?Hindutva attack?

    Zakir Naik is a Hate Monger and terror sympathiser.Glad he wont be seen in my country ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is banned in the country whose flag you sport,so tell me why is he banned in UK?Is it due to Hindutva attack?Why was his judicial challenge to the ban also thrown out?Hindutva attack?

    Zakir Naik is a Hate Monger and terror sympathiser.Glad he wont be seen in my country ever again.
    Modi too was banned in the UK who saw him as a hate preacher and someone who instigated violence. Only when he became PM this changed. So I guess you agree with UK's position on Modi to prior him being PM or is it whenever it suits you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Modi too was banned in the UK who saw him as a hate preacher and someone who instigated violence. Only when he became PM this changed. So I guess you agree with UK's position on Modi to prior him being PM or is it whenever it suits you?
    Modi didnt even apply to go to UK,let alone be banned. Can you show me the instance when Modi applied for UK visa and was rejected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Modi didnt even apply to go to UK,let alone be banned. Can you show me the instance when Modi applied for UK visa and was rejected.
    lol. What does it matter if he applied? He did apply to enter the US but was refused entry. He was also banned from many EU nations too.

    Do you agree with the UK banning him or not? A simple enough question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I doubt he would have received a fair trail. There is nothing in his speeches indicting he was inciting terrorism. This was just a Hindutva attack on someone who openly helped Hindu's convert.

    I don't agree with much as what he says but his citizenship in Saudi is no different to seeking asylum.

    The charges against him.are not limited to hate speeches only. @cricketjoshila will be able to address this better.


    While many Indian Muslims have to deal with Indian State Institutes aswell as Judiciary so in that case the ratio of Indians taking Assylum in other countries should be more than what is the case with Pakistanis.


    As I said its a win win for both Dr.Zakir and the Indians. He doesn't desire a clean chit from Indian Judiciary or doesn't want to face them while Indians just want him to leave them.


    Himdus getting converted to Islam isn't something for which Allah has specially created Zakir Naik. They will keep on getting converted through his videos, others videos and through other Religious Scholars if they got convinced about Islam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    The charges against him.are not limited to hate speeches only. @cricketjoshila will be able to address this better.


    While many Indian Muslims have to deal with Indian State Institutes aswell as Judiciary so in that case the ratio of Indians taking Assylum in other countries should be more than what is the case with Pakistanis.


    As I said its a win win for both Dr.Zakir and the Indians. He doesn't desire a clean chit from Indian Judiciary or doesn't want to face them while Indians just want him to leave them.


    Himdus getting converted to Islam isn't something for which Allah has specially created Zakir Naik. They will keep on getting converted through his videos, others videos and through other Religious Scholars if they got convinced about Islam.
    Why are you using a large font?

    Joshila bhai defends anything the BJP do. You're making the claim so you should be able to argue your case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Why are you using a large font?

    Joshila bhai defends anything the BJP do. You're making the claim so you should be able to argue your case.

    You can either dig Google sources for the financial charges or rely on any Indian non Bjp supporter.

    I am not claiming anything. My information wrt India is only limited to the news I read or watch in print or electronic media and I was referring to that only.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. What does it matter if he applied? He did apply to enter the US but was refused entry. He was also banned from many EU nations too.

    Do you agree with the UK banning him or not? A simple enough question.
    Yes he was refused Visa in 2005 when he was facing the court.Since then he has been acquitted and he not only got a US visa but addressed the US House of Representatives to Thunderous Applause.The then US President wrote and article in Times praising him.

    Modi didnot run away from his country and neither did courts convict him.

    How can you ban someone who hasnt even applied to come to your country.LOL.

    Zakir Naik is a hate monger and terror sympathiser, Hindutva has noting to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Why are you using a large font?

    Joshila bhai defends anything the BJP do. You're making the claim so you should be able to argue your case.
    BJP didnot ban Zakir Naik in other countries.It was Bangladesh govt which first officially raised a complaint with Indian govt after the Dhaka terror attack where the terrorists were inspired by Zakir Naik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Yes he was refused Visa in 2005 when he was facing the court.Since then he has been acquitted and he not only got a US visa but addressed the US House of Representatives to Thunderous Applause.The then US President wrote and article in Times praising him.

    Modi didnot run away from his country and neither did courts convict him.

    How can you ban someone who hasnt even applied to come to your country.LOL.

    Zakir Naik is a hate monger and terror sympathiser, Hindutva has noting to do with it.
    Thanks for the info which is common knowledge. Why are you running away from a simple question.

    Again.


    Do you agree with the UK banning him or not?

    Yes or No.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post

    Do you agree with the UK banning him or not? A simple enough question.
    Modi whether he was banned or not makes no difference, he has the world at his feet:

    - He is the top 10 most influential and powerful leader in the world,
    - He is welcome anywhere in the world, he recently got the highest civilian award by your master the Saudi
    King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz, while your Pakistani leadership is going stray with zero political
    influence........

    Modi is king and Zakir Nair is lol well now taking refuge in another country for his camel jockey speeches, sums it up... Let go of your defending anything Islamic like one of those typical backward UK Pakistani, there is a reason by Pakistan is going backwards: ppl like YOU.....


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    Probably paying the price for being a Muslim in India where he has to say only what the majority approves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Modi whether he was banned or not makes no difference, he has the world at his feet:

    - He is the top 10 most influential and powerful leader in the world,
    - He is welcome anywhere in the world, he recently got the highest civilian award by your master the Saudi
    King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz, while your Pakistani leadership is going stray with zero political
    influence........

    Modi is king and Zakir Nair is lol well now taking refuge in another country for his camel jockey speeches, sums it up... Let go of your defending anything Islamic like one of those typical backward UK Pakistani, there is a reason by Pakistan is going backwards: ppl like YOU.....
    You should try to keep you with the conversion. If a poster claims person A was banned from the UK and the UK was right then the poster should also accept the UK was right to ban person B. Both were banned, their status in society is not relevant.

    And no one cares about your Hindutva radical opinion of others.


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    Muslims can only live in India as long as they accept Hindu supremacy.

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    Not surprised to see Pakistanis supporting this guy. With heroes like that, no wonder there is an endless supply of Jihadi militants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Not surprised to see Pakistanis supporting this guy. With heroes like that, no wonder there is an endless supply of Jihadi militants.

    This guy deserves to be hanged. This is how opinions are changed. I can't believe he literally said, "All Muslims should be terrorists".

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You should try to keep you with the conversion. If a poster claims person A was banned from the UK and the UK was right then the poster should also accept the UK was right to ban person B. Both were banned, their status in society is not relevant.

    And no one cares about your Hindutva radical opinion of others.
    Listen buddy, I do not givaa damn whether you think I am a Hindutva or not or whether you care about what I think. I just look at you as a comical value on time pass with your diabolically silly posts time and time again... This thread got drifted with Modi and I was merely pointing out that Modi's entry status into a country during the past cannot be compared with a Zakir Naik aka quote: 'all muslims should be terrorist' who is on the run and now taking refuge away from his home land..


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    NEW DELHI: The Interpol on Saturday cancelled red corner notice against Zakir Naik saying that the evidence submitted by India against the controversial Islamic preacher was 'insufficient' as it could not prove his role in terror-related activities.

    The Interpol contended that there was a severe lack of evidentiary basis, a failure by Indian authorities to follow due process of law, political and religious bias that formed the basis of such a notice, and lack of international interest.



    In addition, the Interpol Commission also instructed all its worldwide officers to take down all the data from the files of Dr. Zakir Naik.

    The Interpol was listening to the request made by The National Central Bureau of Interpol of India made in May 2017 pertaining to Naik.

    The Indian NCB of Interpol had requested for Red Corner Notice against Naik for 'promoting enmity between two different religious groups on grounds of religion and doing acts prejudicial to the maintenance of harmony, being a member of unlawful Association etc'.

    The Indian government, through the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) had banned Naik and his organisation, the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) in November last year.

    Earlier in October, the NIA had filed a chargesheet against the controversial speaker for promoting enmity and hatred between religious groups in India through his speeches and lectures.

    Naik was charged with conspiring with Islamic Research Foundation’s (IRF) Trust and the Harmony Media Private Limited to commit the offences. He has been chargesheeted under section 10 UA (P) Act and Sections 120B, 153A, 295A, 298 and 505(2) IPC.

    The investigating agency said that their probe has revealed that there are 19 immovable properties, including land and building, worth Rs 104 crore connected with the Zakir Naik. The source, as well as the mode of acquisition of these properties, is being investigated.

    The NIA said that Zakir Naik deliberately insulted other religions or religious beliefs under the aegis of IRF with help of HMPL to cause dissatisfaction.

    The 51-year-old televangelist, who is currently abroad, is being probed under terror and money-laundering charges by the NIA. He fled from India on July 1, 2016, after terrorists in neighbouring Bangladesh claimed that they were inspired by his speeches.

    The NIA had on November 18, 2016, registered a case against Naik at its Mumbai branch under various sections of the Indian Penal Code and Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA).

    His Mumbai-based NGO, Islamic Research Foundation has already been declared an unlawful association by the Union home ministry.

    The controversial preacher has been accused of spreading hatred by his provocative speeches, funding terrorists and laundering several crores of rupees over the years.

    The Mumbai-based preacher came under the lens of security agencies after some terrorists allegedly involved in the attack on a cafe in Dhaka in July last year reportedly claimed they were inspired by his speeches.

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    Whoops! Should be a few red faces in Indian Govt.


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    Interpol has cancelled the Red Corner Notice it issued against controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik earlier this month, his aide said on Saturday.

    The request of the National Investigation Agency (NIA) for a fresh Red Notice was not accepted by the Interpol as the charge sheet had not been filed when the request was submitted. Now NIA will submit a fresh request as the charge sheet has been filed in the NIA court in Mumbai.

    Dr. Naik, head of the Islamic Research Foundation, first ran afoul of the law after the Maharashtra government and the Central government conducted inquiries against him. The IRF was declared unlawful last year. Shortly thereafter, the NIA booked him under the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act, while the Enforcement Directorate filed a separate case against him.

    “The Interpol has cancelled the Red Corner Notice issued by it on the request of the Indian government and has instructed its officers to delete all data against Dr. Naik from its files,” the aide said in a statement on Saturday.

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    It was pretty obvious from the posts at the time these were Mickey Mouse charges bought up by a Hindutva right wing government because the man openly converted a few Hindus.

    The Indian posters defending those charges have now been left with egg on their faces as have the Indian extremist Goverment.


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    Only good thing is he is not living in my country now.. Hopefully government is alert and doesn’t let him influence brainwash people living here.. We have enough idiots already and one less idiot is always a good thing.. He can do whatever he wants in Saudi I could care less..

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    Why Target Only Zakir Naik, Why Not Asaram Too? Tribunal Questions Enforcement Directorate

    New Delhi: After NIA suffered an embarrassment with quashing of its Red Corner Notice request by the Interpol, the Enforcement Directorate (ED) on Tuesday was pulled up by a judicial tribunal over its investigation against controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik.

    Justice Manmohan Singh, who heads the Appellate Tribunal for PMLA (Prevention of Money Laundering Act) at New Delhi, restrained the agency from taking over Naik's properties attached by the agency, and drew a parallel between Naik and self-styled spiritual leader Asaram Bapu.

    "I can name 10 babas who have properties worth more than Re 10,000 crore each and they are facing criminal cases. Have you acted against even one of them? What have you done against Asaram Bapu?" it asked the counsel for the ED.

    Raising questions whether ED was being selective in acting against Naik, the Tribuna’s chairman observed that the agency seems to have done nothing in the last 10 years about confiscating properties of Asaram but looked to act a lot quicker in this case.

    The Tribunal grilled the ED's counsel over the grounds as to why the properties required to be attached when the chargesheet had not made out appropriate scheduled offences.

    When the lawyer said that Naik instigated youths through his speeches, Justice Singh pointed out the ED did not produce any prima facie evidence or statements from "such misguided youths" as to how these speeches pushed them to commit illegal acts.

    "Have you recorded anybody's statement as to how they were influenced by these speeches? Your chargesheet does not even mention how these speeches played any role in a terror attack in Dhaka in 2015," he said.

    Justice Singh then said that it appeared the ED, for the sake of its own convenience, ignored 99 per cent of these speeches and relied upon only 1 per cent.

    "Have you read the speeches which form part of your chargesheet? I have heard many of these speeches and I can tell you that so far I haven't come across anything objectionable," the judge told the ED's lawyer.

    The Tribunal then ordered a “status quo”, thereby stopping the ED from taking possession of a school in Chennai and a commercial property in Mumbai.

    The ED has already attached Naik’s three properties, including these two, but the judge said the agency cannot now proceed with the physical possession. The Tribunal then adjourned the matter to hear at length about the validity of the attachment proceedings.

    Naik’s appeal has stated that he was not even served notices before properties were attached and that the chargesheet made out no such offence that warranted confiscation of his properties.

    Last month, the NIA had to face embarrassment when the Interpol quashed its request, made through the Ministry of External Affairs, for issuance of a Red Corner Notice.

    Interpol had called the NIA’s request a “premature” plea, noting the request had been made without a chargesheet being filed against Naik whereas the purpose of a red notice is to facilitate a country to seek the extradition of an accused charged for an offence, not a suspect merely under investigation.

    A Red Corner Notice would have restricted international travel for Zakir Naik, who has been changing his base frequently after the NIA moved the Interpol for an international arrest warrant against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Why Target Only Zakir Naik, Why Not Asaram Too? Tribunal Questions Enforcement Directorate

    New Delhi: After NIA suffered an embarrassment with quashing of its Red Corner Notice request by the Interpol, the Enforcement Directorate (ED) on Tuesday was pulled up by a judicial tribunal over its investigation against controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik.

    Justice Manmohan Singh, who heads the Appellate Tribunal for PMLA (Prevention of Money Laundering Act) at New Delhi, restrained the agency from taking over Naik's properties attached by the agency, and drew a parallel between Naik and self-styled spiritual leader Asaram Bapu.

    "I can name 10 babas who have properties worth more than Re 10,000 crore each and they are facing criminal cases. Have you acted against even one of them? What have you done against Asaram Bapu?" it asked the counsel for the ED.

    Raising questions whether ED was being selective in acting against Naik, the Tribuna’s chairman observed that the agency seems to have done nothing in the last 10 years about confiscating properties of Asaram but looked to act a lot quicker in this case.

    The Tribunal grilled the ED's counsel over the grounds as to why the properties required to be attached when the chargesheet had not made out appropriate scheduled offences.

    When the lawyer said that Naik instigated youths through his speeches, Justice Singh pointed out the ED did not produce any prima facie evidence or statements from "such misguided youths" as to how these speeches pushed them to commit illegal acts.

    "Have you recorded anybody's statement as to how they were influenced by these speeches? Your chargesheet does not even mention how these speeches played any role in a terror attack in Dhaka in 2015," he said.

    Justice Singh then said that it appeared the ED, for the sake of its own convenience, ignored 99 per cent of these speeches and relied upon only 1 per cent.

    "Have you read the speeches which form part of your chargesheet? I have heard many of these speeches and I can tell you that so far I haven't come across anything objectionable," the judge told the ED's lawyer.

    The Tribunal then ordered a “status quo”, thereby stopping the ED from taking possession of a school in Chennai and a commercial property in Mumbai.

    The ED has already attached Naik’s three properties, including these two, but the judge said the agency cannot now proceed with the physical possession. The Tribunal then adjourned the matter to hear at length about the validity of the attachment proceedings.

    Naik’s appeal has stated that he was not even served notices before properties were attached and that the chargesheet made out no such offence that warranted confiscation of his properties.

    Last month, the NIA had to face embarrassment when the Interpol quashed its request, made through the Ministry of External Affairs, for issuance of a Red Corner Notice.

    Interpol had called the NIA’s request a “premature” plea, noting the request had been made without a chargesheet being filed against Naik whereas the purpose of a red notice is to facilitate a country to seek the extradition of an accused charged for an offence, not a suspect merely under investigation.

    A Red Corner Notice would have restricted international travel for Zakir Naik, who has been changing his base frequently after the NIA moved the Interpol for an international arrest warrant against him.

    http://www.news18.com/news/india/con...7-1631335.html
    Having 10000cr as property is not illegal. And Asaram Bapu is in jail. Now do what send him to jail again?

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    So where are the proofs? Interpol rejected the NIA request and what did the NIA do till now for the "terrorist sympathiser"?

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    Poor India. Can't get Dawood Abdullah. Can't get Hafiz Saeed, Can't get Lakhvi and now Interpol has said Zakir is innocent as well Back to the drawing board for terrorist Modi and his cronies Zakir has always been against the creation of Pakistan. Now hiding in Saudi he is to afraid to return to his motherland.
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    I meant Dawood Ibrahim not Dawood Abdullah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by big_gamer007 View Post
    Only good thing is he is not living in my country now.. Hopefully government is alert and doesn’t let him influence brainwash people living here.. We have enough idiots already and one less idiot is always a good thing.. He can do whatever he wants in Saudi I could care less..
    I think he should be allowed to return home. As you say, there are already plenty of idiots in your country so one more can't do any harm. If anything converting some low castes might uplift them from generations of misery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I think he should be allowed to return home. As you say, there are already plenty of idiots in your country so one more can't do any harm. If anything converting some low castes might uplift them from generations of misery.

    No thanks I would prefer if the other idiots also take refuge in some other country however there is no Hindu country which they can go to who would accept them..

    Problem with such idiots is that he may inspire some psycho like the Bangladeshi attackers who got inspired by him and cause harm to us.. So it’s better he stays in Saudi..

    You think low castes converting to Islam in India means anything? It won’t help uplift them my friend you are mistaken about how it works in here it’s all about the money we have socio-economic racism which is dependant on your social standing, if you are a low caste person but an IAS officer you would subdue even high caste people working under you.. thas how it works..

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