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    Horrible series for Babar. Hopefully he digs deeper and comes out stronger. Hope his record in NZ is not taken as gospel to crucify him!


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    After 44 innings:

    Kohli: 1780 runs, 7 not out, high score 118, sr 84, 5 100, 12 fifties, 3 ducks, average 48

    Smith: 1493 runs, 6 not out, high score 105, sr 90, 4 100, 6 fifties, 2 ducks, average 39

    Williamson: 1338 runs, 6 not out, high score 145*, sr 77, 3 100, 6 fifties, 4 ducks, average 35

    Root: 1575 runs, 5 not out, high score 113, sr 80, 3 100, 8 fifties, 2 ducks, average 40

    Azam: 1973 runs, 8 not out, high score 125*, sr 86, 8 100, 7 fifties, 1 duck, average 55


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    After 44 innings:

    Kohli: 1780 runs, 7 not out, high score 118, sr 84, 5 100, 12 fifties, 3 ducks, average 48

    Smith: 1493 runs, 6 not out, high score 105, sr 90, 4 100, 6 fifties, 2 ducks, average 39

    Williamson: 1338 runs, 6 not out, high score 145*, sr 77, 3 100, 6 fifties, 4 ducks, average 35

    Root: 1575 runs, 5 not out, high score 113, sr 80, 3 100, 8 fifties, 2 ducks, average 40

    Azam: 1973 runs, 8 not out, high score 125*, sr 86, 8 100, 7 fifties, 1 duck, average 55
    It will be interesting to see similar stats of Hafeez after 44 matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majid Khan View Post
    It will be interesting to see similar stats of Hafeez after 44 matches.
    819 runs, 1 not out, high score 92, sr 58.4, 0 100, 4 fifies, 6 ducks, average 19


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    819 runs, 1 not out, high score 92, sr 58.4, 0 100, 4 fifies, 6 ducks, average 19
    LOL (Dale Steyn style)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    After 44 innings:

    Kohli: 1780 runs, 7 not out, high score 118, sr 84, 5 100, 12 fifties, 3 ducks, average 48

    Smith: 1493 runs, 6 not out, high score 105, sr 90, 4 100, 6 fifties, 2 ducks, average 39

    Williamson: 1338 runs, 6 not out, high score 145*, sr 77, 3 100, 6 fifties, 4 ducks, average 35

    Root: 1575 runs, 5 not out, high score 113, sr 80, 3 100, 8 fifties, 2 ducks, average 40

    Azam: 1973 runs, 8 not out, high score 125*, sr 86, 8 100, 7 fifties, 1 duck, average 55
    Can you post their records against top 5 teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Can you post their records against top 5 teams?
    Actually just checked. At 20 or so innings against Top 5 teams, both Kohli and Babar average 40 at 83 SR. But at that point, Kohli's only away games were in Sri Lanka and South Africa (average 40, SR 77) and he had the benefit of playing Aus and NZ at home while Babar will get to play them in a few months and aside from England he has only faced them away. In about a year from now everything will be clearer also after Babar's first WC.


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    Stats aside, as an opposition playing against Pakistan Babar Azam would be be least of my concerns. He can peddle all stats but does not have the x-factor which a match winner should have. The players in Pakistan I would worry about are Fakhar Zaman, S.Malik & M.Amir. All the 3 are match winners on their day.
    Last edited by Canford Cliffs; 24th July 2018 at 02:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Stats aside, as an opposition playing against Pakistan Babar Azam would be be least of my concerns. He can peddle all stats but does not have the x-factor which a match winner should have. The players in Pakistan I would worry about are Fakhar Zaman, S.Malik & M.Amir. All the 3 are match winners on their day.
    Malik is still waiting to score a century against a team like England,south Africa, Australia after playing for 2 decades. So I don't think they will be worried about him though agree with the other 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    After 44 innings:

    Kohli: 1780 runs, 7 not out, high score 118, sr 84, 5 100, 12 fifties, 3 ducks, average 48

    Smith: 1493 runs, 6 not out, high score 105, sr 90, 4 100, 6 fifties, 2 ducks, average 39

    Williamson: 1338 runs, 6 not out, high score 145*, sr 77, 3 100, 6 fifties, 4 ducks, average 35

    Root: 1575 runs, 5 not out, high score 113, sr 80, 3 100, 8 fifties, 2 ducks, average 40

    Azam: 1973 runs, 8 not out, high score 125*, sr 86, 8 100, 7 fifties, 1 duck, average 55
    Wait, how do you see how many runs they had after a specific amount of innings? I used to know before but then forgot. :ahmed


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    The performances of these new players so far and the question of how good they really are all have the same answer, let alone just Babar: depends on how they perform in Asia Cup, Aus, NZ, SA, whatever series' there are after SA and before WC, and of course, the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post



    Bobby's clearly ahead here. It was the chubby Kohli that scored those runs. If Babar can focus on fitness and continue to impose as he did in SA, the next comparison will be close too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    After 44 innings:

    Kohli: 1780 runs, 7 not out, high score 118, sr 84, 5 100, 12 fifties, 3 ducks, average 48

    Smith: 1493 runs, 6 not out, high score 105, sr 90, 4 100, 6 fifties, 2 ducks, average 39

    Williamson: 1338 runs, 6 not out, high score 145*, sr 77, 3 100, 6 fifties, 4 ducks, average 35

    Root: 1575 runs, 5 not out, high score 113, sr 80, 3 100, 8 fifties, 2 ducks, average 40

    Azam: 1973 runs, 8 not out, high score 125*, sr 86, 8 100, 7 fifties, 1 duck, average 55
    Amla drowns everyone after 44 innings

    2325 runs 5 not out , high score 140, SR 92.96, 8 100s 12 fifties 0 ducks average 59.61

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    Here is another guy after 44 innings take a guess who

    57 matches 44 innings 1579 runs 71.77 avge 92.55 strike rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Here is another guy after 44 innings take a guess who

    57 matches 44 innings 1579 runs 71.77 avge 92.55 strike rate
    Hussey?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Hussey?
    yes. He had one of the craziest start to his ODI career

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    yes. He had one of the craziest start to his ODI career
    Yeah, recall seeing his cumulative averages previously. Crazy numbers.


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    How about this particular stat?

    Babar Azam and Hardik Pandya versus top 5 ODI teams in the last 2 years.

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    The same two players in the last three years against the top 5 ODI teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    The same two players in the last three years against the top 5 ODI teams

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    Thread is about Babar vs other players in early stages of their careers. Not comparing young Babar to a veteran and established Kohli. So the stats you posted are pointless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Thread is about Babar vs other players in early stages of their careers. Not comparing young Babar to a veteran and established Kohli. So the stats you posted are pointless.
    Perhaps your insecurity came in the way of reading my post. I compared Babar not with Kohli, but the redoubtable Hardik Pandya.

    ;)

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    Hardly any match winning knocks against top teams, flopped in recent SA odi series too, good player nothing special about him though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Perhaps your insecurity came in the way of reading my post. I compared Babar not with Kohli, but the redoubtable Hardik Pandya.

    ;)
    trying to be too smart ? Do you know the stats you have put of top 5 are home +away .Babar azam have just played 3 odis against newzealand in uae in last 3 years .

    Not a single odi series against aus in uae

    not a single odi series against sa in uae

    not a single odi series against eng in uae

    on the other side each top 4 you have mention boast there average due to home series on the other hand babar have played just one in uae against top 5
    Last edited by saeed5646; 9th February 2019 at 22:59.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Perhaps your insecurity came in the way of reading my post. I compared Babar not with Kohli, but the redoubtable Hardik Pandya.

    ;)
    Hardik is not even fit to tie Babars shoe laces let alone be mentioned and Hardik is a hack who performs once in a blue moon. He should have been banned for life with the comments he made. Not sure why we are discussing Hardik here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    trying to be too smart ? Do you know the stats you have put of top 5 are home +away .Babar azam have just played 3 odis against newzealand in uae in last 3 years .

    Not a single odi series against aus in uae

    not a single odi series against sa in uae

    not a single odi series against eng in uae

    on the other side each top 4 you have mention boast there average due to home series on the other hand babar have played just one in uae against top 5
    LMAO!

    With fans like you, I can see babar cruising to a 10 year career stuck at this mediocre level. Hafeez Version 2.

    I won't be complaining.

    By all means, carry on slicing and dicing stats to feel good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    Hardik is not even fit to tie Babars shoe laces let alone be mentioned and Hardik is a hack who performs once in a blue moon. He should have been banned for life with the comments he made. Not sure why we are discussing Hardik here.
    Hardik won more matches than Babar against top teams, it's a proven fact, Babar needs to do much more than bashing SL and windies to be even compared with an out and out match winner like Hardik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    Hardik is not even fit to tie Babars shoe laces let alone be mentioned and Hardik is a hack who performs once in a blue moon. He should have been banned for life with the comments he made. Not sure why we are discussing Hardik here.
    Lol.

    Granted, the image I posted are a little small. But by all means get a pair of glasses and study the stats well. Hardik is two echelons above babar when it comes to serious ODIs against top dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Hardly any match winning knocks against top teams, flopped in recent SA odi series too, good player nothing special about him though.
    rofl still finishes series with average of 48 .how is that consider flop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    LMAO!

    With fans like you, I can see babar cruising to a 10 year career stuck at this mediocre level. Hafeez Version 2.

    I won't be complaining.

    By all means, carry on slicing and dicing stats to feel good.
    LMAO

    You were the one who was picking selective stats to belittle babar azam after getting expose running away from argument.

    if babar is medicore i would take 3 more in pak team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    LMAO

    You were the one who was picking selective stats to belittle babar azam after getting expose running away from argument.

    if babar is medicore i would take 3 more in pak team.
    Yes, I was so unfair and selective in posting cumulative last 2 and 3 years stat.

    Well done champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Perhaps your insecurity came in the way of reading my post. I compared Babar not with Kohli, but the redoubtable Hardik Pandya.

    ;)
    Lol i didnt see your 2nd last post. My bad.

    But not insecurity rather trend of Indians. Comes on Pakistani forum regularly and bash Pakistani players by posting senseless stats etc. Not in your case but its a trend. If anyone doesnt know what a trend is, they should see what i am talking about. ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Hardik won more matches than Babar against top teams, it's a proven fact, Babar needs to do much more than bashing SL and windies to be even compared with an out and out match winner like Hardik.
    At least Babar's 100s won Pakistan matches against WI, can't say the same for Kohli's 100s though-Rohit had to score a 100 for India to win. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Lol i didnt see your 2nd last post. My bad.

    But not insecurity rather trend of Indians. Comes on Pakistani forum regularly and bash Pakistani players by posting senseless stats etc. Not in your case but its a trend. If anyone doesnt know what a trend is, they should see what i am talking about. ;)
    You are telling me majority of Indian fans on PP post stats that busts the myth around hyped Pakistan players like Babar Azam who is worse than Pandya in ODIs?

    Hmm, you don't say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Yes, I was so unfair and selective in posting cumulative last 2 and 3 years stat.

    Well done champion.
    which icc rules you follow ?i can certainly put a misleading cumulative test stats which can put babar azam on top above all the current indian top 5 batsmen in test

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    which icc rules you follow ?i can certainly put a misleading cumulative test stats which can put babar azam on top above all the current indian top 5 batsmen in test
    ICC rules? What are you even on about? Good grief.

    And by all means post whatever stats that you feel sheds fresh light on players. I won't be getting mad and frothing at the mouth over it, be assured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    which icc rules you follow ?i can certainly put a misleading cumulative test stats which can put babar azam on top above all the current indian top 5 batsmen in test
    Ignore the trolls. You can see these people going to every Babar thread and trying to prove how Indian players are so much superior, even though ICC rankings prove them wrong or just common sense. It's very lame but expected. It's best to let these people live in their fantasy land where they have many players in domestic who are far superior to Babar or any Pakistani player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    ICC rules? What are you even on about? Good grief.

    And by all means post whatever stats that you feel sheds fresh light on players. I won't be getting mad and frothing at the mouth over it, be assured.
    let me repeat where there is written on rule book in icc or cricket that cumulative stats can only be 2 to 3 years and not be one year or 5 year?.

    you are doing mouth over and getting excited about some random stats without considering pros and cons of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    At least Babar's 100s won Pakistan matches against WI, can't say the same for Kohli's 100s though-Rohit had to score a 100 for India to win. lol.
    And Kohli's 100 won India a series in SA. You got clean sweeped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anoop View Post
    And Kohli's 100 won India a series in SA. You got clean sweeped.
    But he couldn't do against WI. That's a fact. If people are going to bash Babar Azam for scoring 100s against WI and WINING then Kohli should be criticize for scoring 100s and NOT wining.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Hardly any match winning knocks against top teams, flopped in recent SA odi series too, good player nothing special about him though.
    Talent wise he is a special talent and I guess most experts around the world would be unanimous on that. However, you are right that performances in terms of changing games have been nothing special as of now but he is just 24 most of the match winners we are seeing now in the world cricket became what they are mostly in their mid to late 20s.

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    We need a better player than Babar in this team who can challenge Babar to push his own limits. Right now he’s playing with the burden of carrying the whole inning on his shoulder. I would like to see Babar cut loose and play his shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Talent wise he is a special talent and I guess most experts around the world would be unanimous on that. However, you are right that performances in terms of changing games have been nothing special as of now but he is just 24 most of the match winners we are seeing now in the world cricket became what they are mostly in their mid to late 20s.
    He is a consistent performer like Amla, Root. That is already a very good start. Conversion, domination, prolonging consistency will follow as he keeps working hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    We need a better player than Babar in this team who can challenge Babar to push his own limits. Right now heís playing with the burden of carrying the whole inning on his shoulder. I would like to see Babar cut loose and play his shots.
    Saad Ali can be that man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    He is a consistent performer like Amla, Root. That is already a very good start. Conversion, domination, prolonging consistency will follow as he keeps working hard.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrez Pakistani View Post
    We need a better player than Babar in this team who can challenge Babar to push his own limits. Right now he’s playing with the burden of carrying the whole inning on his shoulder. I would like to see Babar cut loose and play his shots.
    Haris Sohail is fit now and we saw how both of them complemented each other in 3rd ODI against NZ in recent series. Hopefully he can remain fit as he is one of the most complete batsman we have along with Babar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    But he couldn't do against WI. That's a fact. If people are going to bash Babar Azam for scoring 100s against WI and WINING then Kohli should be criticize for scoring 100s and NOT wining.
    No one cares about performances against WI in ODIs, whether you do well or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post



    Babar is far better than Kohli was at the same stage in his career. The numbers do not tell you that Kohli was sitting cozy in the middle-order with Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir above him and Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina below him.

    Babar is batting at #3 as the main batsman in his team and knows that if he doesn't score, the team will probably struggle to put together a decent total. Also, his innings at the 2017 CT final is a better pressure innings than anything Kohli has done in an ICC tournament, thus far.

    Can someone post their test match stats as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    At least Babar's 100s won Pakistan matches against WI, can't say the same for Kohli's 100s though-Rohit had to score a 100 for India to win. lol.
    Please don't embarrass yourself by bringing Rohit and Kohli in a discussion about Babar, they are on a different Universe altogether compared to Babar. Regardless of his stats Kohli at 24 was a level above Babar in terms of impact and match winning ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Babar is far better than Kohli was at the same stage in his career. The numbers do not tell you that Kohli was sitting cozy in the middle-order with Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir above him and Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina below him.

    Babar is batting at #3 as the main batsman in his team and knows that if he doesn't score, the team will probably struggle to put together a decent total. Also, his innings at the 2017 CT final is a better pressure innings than anything Kohli has done in an ICC tournament, thus far.

    Can someone post their test match stats as well?
    Yeah, a good start to Babar but lately seems to have regressed. Will be an interesting contest in the forthcoming WC to see who out of Babar and Pandya influences more wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Talent wise he is a special talent and I guess most experts around the world would be unanimous on that. However, you are right that performances in terms of changing games have been nothing special as of now but he is just 24 most of the match winners we are seeing now in the world cricket became what they are mostly in their mid to late 20s.
    He and Imam partnered well in SA. Imam is slow off the blocks and that actually compelled Babar to keep up with the rate. Both are critical at the top to keep the wickets until the 25th over. Hafeez at 4 played a role similar to Babar with excellent SR. Team's plan seems to be to bat at a good SR with Imam playing the anchor. If Imam is out, Babar will be the anchor. FZ will get a free hand to blast away.

    I really hope Haris is fit for the Aussie series and WC. He is perfect at 4 with Hafeez to follow. Babar and Haris can complement each other quite well as we saw in the NZ series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    No one cares about performances against WI in ODIs, whether you do well or not.
    When Kohli scored back to back 100s against WI social media was going crazy, his name was trending world wide-even though ultimately India couldn't win those matches.

    Runs scored against bhuvneshwar kumar and Hardik Pandya shouldn't be taken seriously either considering their ODI stats are worse than WIs bowlers or even some minnow countries. So performance against India is also questionable. I'm only following your logic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Babar is far better than Kohli was at the same stage in his career. The numbers do not tell you that Kohli was sitting cozy in the middle-order with Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir above him and Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina below him.

    Babar is batting at #3 as the main batsman in his team and knows that if he doesn't score, the team will probably struggle to put together a decent total. Also, his innings at the 2017 CT final is a better pressure innings than anything Kohli has done in an ICC tournament, thus far.

    Can someone post their test match stats as well?
    Yes. Babar has more responsibility than Kohli did initially with all the batting talent around. Kohli had time to grow into the batting leader he is now. BTW, check Kohli's innings in the CT 2013 final. It was a pressure innings too and he top scored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Talent wise he is a special talent and I guess most experts around the world would be unanimous on that. However, you are right that performances in terms of changing games have been nothing special as of now but he is just 24 most of the match winners we are seeing now in the world cricket became what they are mostly in their mid to late 20s.
    I respect your opinion and will humbly disagree, I think it is the shocking lack of quality batsman in Pakistan which is making the fans going gaga about Babar. Despite all the bhangra by PP hype brigade he was pretty average in SA series, was comfortably outperformed and outclassed by Shan in tests and Imam in ODIs. He is good no doubt but not a prodigious talent that PP experts want everyone here to believe. Mark my words, Imam will go on to become a better player than him, lough at me now all you want but kindly do bookmark this post, I will be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    rofl still finishes series with average of 48 .how is that consider flop?
    One half century in five matches is considered flop especially coming from Babar "Better than Kohli at 24" Azam.

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    However good Babar's stats are at this time, I need to see him play till the end of a chase. This will greatly improve his confidence levels just like it did for Kohli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    When Kohli scored back to back 100s against WI social media was going crazy, his name was trending world wide-even though ultimately India couldn't win those matches.

    Runs scored against bhuvneshwar kumar and Hardik Pandya shouldn't be taken seriously either considering their ODI stats are worse than WIs bowlers or even some minnow countries. So performance against India is also questionable. I'm only following your logic here.
    What matches are you talking about? That series was tied 1-1 when Kohli scored 3 hundreds. And as for why no one calls Kohli a minnow basher, it is because he has also scored against everyone else too.

    India is ranked the #2 ODI team while WI is at #9. Bumrah is ranked #1, Kuldeep #4, Chahal #5, and Bhuvi #17. Pakistan's highest ranked bowler is Hasan at #14 (for context, Amir is #31), and WI's highest ranked bowler is Nurse at #38. So your argument at the end is entirely illogical.

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    @AMSS I'm going to repeat something i said in a different thread

    Match winning ODI hundreds against top 5 teams

    Kedar Jadhav - 1

    Babar Azam - 0

    Player of the series against top 5 teams

    Hardik Pandya - 1

    Babar Azam - 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    What matches are you talking about? That series was tied 1-1 when Kohli scored 3 hundreds. And as for why no one calls Kohli a minnow basher, it is because he has also scored against everyone else too.

    India is ranked the #2 ODI team while WI is at #9. Bumrah is ranked #1, Kuldeep #4, Chahal #5, and Bhuvi #17. Pakistan's highest ranked bowler is Hasan at #14 (for context, Amir is #31), and WI's highest ranked bowler is Nurse at #38. So your argument at the end is entirely illogical.
    Yet he wasn't good enough to win matches against WI by himself-Rohit had to score a 100 as well. And people bash Babar for not single-handedly wining Pakistan matches.

    Bhuvi and Pandya have worse stats than WI bowlers, therefore if runs against WI don't matter than runs against these 2 also don't matter. Simple as that. Not that hard to understand.

    Ashwin and Jadeja also have worse stats than some WI bowlers therefore for runs against them didn't matter either.

    You bring up ranking when suits you guys but according to the ranking Babar is by far the best T20I player, and of course you people have a problem with that as well. It's a big joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    @AMSS I'm going to repeat something i said in a different thread

    Match winning ODI hundreds against top 5 teams

    Kedar Jadhav - 1

    Babar Azam - 0

    Player of the series against top 5 teams

    Hardik Pandya - 1

    Babar Azam - 0


    Done and dusted, thread should be closed now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mesmerizer85 View Post
    However good Babar's stats are at this time, I need to see him play till the end of a chase. This will greatly improve his confidence levels just like it did for Kohli.
    He is not a complete batsman yet. Pacing of his innings has not reached Inzamam's level yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Babar is far better than Kohli was at the same stage in his career. The numbers do not tell you that Kohli was sitting cozy in the middle-order with Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir above him and Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina below him.

    Babar is batting at #3 as the main batsman in his team and knows that if he doesn't score, the team will probably struggle to put together a decent total. Also, his innings at the 2017 CT final is a better pressure innings than anything Kohli has done in an ICC tournament, thus far.

    Can someone post their test match stats as well?
    Are you forgetting Kohli's hundred in the WC against Pakistan, and his exploits in the T20 WC (which is an ICC tournament)?

    One has to be delusional to think that Babar's 46 (52) in the CT final is better than all of those.

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    Let us enjoy Babar abtting,Kohli is levels above him and no comparison is needed,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I respect your opinion and will humbly disagree, I think it is the shocking lack of quality batsman in Pakistan which is making the fans going gaga about Babar. Despite all the bhangra by PP hype brigade he was pretty average in SA series, was comfortably outperformed and outclassed by Shan in tests and Imam in ODIs. He is good no doubt but not a prodigious talent that PP experts want everyone here to believe. Mark my words, Imam will go on to become a better player than him, lough at me now all you want but kindly do bookmark this post, I will be around.
    I also respect your opinion and even agree with it to an extent. I said Babar is special just because of the natural ability he possess not due to the performances he has delivered till now. Stats other than in T20 series of SA tour doesnt show that he is or has done anything special.

    I also agree that there arent many quality batsmen in the current team and Babar stands out because of lack of quality around him. However, dominating a legend of this era "Steyn" the way he did in tests showed he is at least better than just good in terms of ability. He has talent but to become a quality batsman he need to win matches for the team and create an impact as after all, this game is about scoring runs and taking wickets and making your team win. Babar hasnt done much of that in his career till now. However I believe that overtime when he matures he will be able to finish games.

    I have always rated Imam and he has shown more temperament under pressure than Babar has till now and its a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    @AMSS I'm going to repeat something i said in a different thread

    Match winning ODI hundreds against top 5 teams

    Kedar Jadhav - 1

    Babar Azam - 0

    Player of the series against top 5 teams

    Hardik Pandya - 1

    Babar Azam - 0
    Hardik won that award as an allrounder not as a batmsan alone. He is yet to score an ODI 100.

    Yes Babar hasnt won man of the match award in ODIs against top 5 teams but 1 man of the match award for Jhadav against top 5 sides really makes him better than Babar?

    What exactly is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    I also respect your opinion and even agree with it to an extent. I said Babar is special just because of the natural ability he possess not due to the performances he has delivered till now. Stats other than in T20 series of SA tour doesnt show that he is or has done anything special.

    I also agree that there arent many quality batsmen in the current team and Babar stands out because of lack of quality around him. However, dominating a legend of this era "Steyn" the way he did in tests showed he is at least better than just good in terms of ability. He has talent but to become a quality batsman he need to win matches for the team and create an impact as after all, this game is about scoring runs and taking wickets and making your team win. Babar hasnt done much of that in his career till now. However I believe that overtime when he matures he will be able to finish games.

    I have always rated Imam and he has shown more temperament under pressure than Babar has till now and its a reality.
    A fine post, I agree with all your points except I wouldn't read too much into Babar dominating Steyn. There are many many examples of ATG bowlers dominated by not so great batsmen and great batsman struggling against lesser bowlers. Warne was manhandled by Sidhu and Robin Singh, Waqar was hit all around the park by Jadeja of all people, Sachin struggled against Hansy Cronje to name a few. Babar did perform remarkably well against Steyn the entire series and I will give him that but I gotta admit that this Steyn looked just a shadow of his prime, was less threatening than Rabada and even Olivier.

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    You need a pool of batsmen to complement each other. Expecting one batsman to do everything could end up ruining his career. Babar and Imam form the nucleus of Pakistan unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    A fine post, I agree with all your points except I wouldn't read too much into Babar dominating Steyn. There are many many examples of ATG bowlers dominated by not so great batsmen and great batsman struggling against lesser bowlers. Warne was manhandled by Sidhu and Robin Singh, Waqar was hit all around the park by Jadeja of all people, Sachin struggled against Hansy Cronje to name a few. Babar did perform remarkably well against Steyn the entire series and I will give him that but I gotta admit that this Steyn looked just a shadow of his prime, was less threatening than Rabada and even Olivier.
    Well put. Agreed, that dominating a great bowler on an occasion or two isnt a proof that a batsman is great or can become a great.

    Upcoming ODI series against Australia, England and then WC will be good opportunity for Babar to actually have an impact on the result of the game rather just showing potential in a loosing cause.

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    It’s unfortunate for him that he hasn’t had the players around him to allow him to go out and express himself, he’s been put in the deep end with the batting hopes all on him from pretty much game one. To produce the stats he has with all that pressure shows a lot about his mentality!

    Also its hard to be a match winner when our wins are because of our bowlers. I do think it’s changing as our batting is getting stronger but unfortunately our bowling is going the other way...

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    Babar Azam can be a top player but he can still have a great career without being forced into a catogry he doesn't belong in as of yet. He has a long way to go before getting close to the fab 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Babar Azam can be a top player but he can still have a great career without being forced into a catogry he doesn't belong in as of yet. He has a long way to go before getting close to the fab 4.
    There is no longer a Fab 4 - currently it is something like...

    Kholi...



    Williamson..............







    Everyone else...

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    Babar is the Sachin Tendulkar of the early 90s of Indian cricket.

    Way too much over-expectations from the fans, media and the coaches alike. At least the likes of Mickey Arthur need to stop talking about him all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickCrick View Post
    There is no longer a Fab 4 - currently it is something like...

    Kholi...



    Williamson..............







    Everyone else...
    Steve Smith before his ban was a better player than Williamson. Other than a series vs Pakistan, I don't think Williamson has done anything to surpass Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Steve Smith before his ban was a better player than Williamson. Other than a series vs Pakistan, I don't think Williamson has done anything to surpass Smith.
    I agree, when he was playing he was arguably top of pile but heís not playing atm so currently there isnít a top four and even if you do include him then it would still only be a top three...

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickCrick View Post
    I agree, when he was playing he was arguably top of pile but he’s not playing atm so currently there isn’t a top four and even if you do include him then it would still only be a top three...
    Root is going through a rough patch. I will back him to come good. I don't think he has a technical issue. Seems to be a mental issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Root is going through a rough patch. I will back him to come good. I don't think he has a technical issue. Seems to be a mental issue.
    I do like Root but he wasnít/isnít in my fab 4 as he has never been able to dominate all formats...

    In test maybe before the captaincy but unlike the other three he has let it affect him negatively. On current form, donít you think Babar is more worthy of breaking into the top 3/4 than him? Probably a good comparison as both have the shots but struggle with conversion.. Babar ahead in the shorter format and Root (before the captaincy) is miles ahead in test.

    Also standing by my point, there isnt a Fab Four...

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickCrick View Post
    I do like Root but he wasn’t/isn’t in my fab 4 as he has never been able to dominate all formats...

    In test maybe before the captaincy but unlike the other three he has let it affect him negatively. On current form, don’t you think Babar is more worthy of breaking into the top 3/4 than him? Probably a good comparison as both have the shots but struggle with conversion.. Babar ahead in the shorter format and Root (before the captaincy) is miles ahead in test.

    Also standing by my point, there isnt a Fab Four...

    Babar Azam only has 1 test century at the moment. I believe he has a lot of ability but you can't beat 1 of the best batters in the world if you can't score centuries on a consistent basis.

    Whilst Root has issues in tests , he has been brilliant in LO and has won games against top teams. Overall he's a better batter than Babar right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Babar is the Sachin Tendulkar of the early 90s of Indian cricket.

    Way too much over-expectations from the fans, media and the coaches alike. At least the likes of Mickey Arthur need to stop talking about him all the time.
    Actually imam is under far more pressure than babar. However the joker who here commented that imam will end up being better batter than babar, deserves all the laugh!

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    Although good stats... Babar is yet to convert his good starts into big scores or match winning performances.

    Until he does that consistently and perform when it matters then I am afraid these stats will be pretty much pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Steve Smith before his ban was a better player than Williamson. Other than a series vs Pakistan, I don't think Williamson has done anything to surpass Smith.
    Are you glorifying a cheat?


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