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    The end of the line for James Anderson?

    with him regularly going down due to injury in the past 12 months (at end of Bang tour will have missed 6 tests in past 12 months or so. Missed ZERO due to injury from 2011 to 2015 summer), are we witnessing the end?

    With 3-4 weeks out due to injury he will most likely not be fit for the start of the India tour. Apparently no tour games schedules so find it hard to believe he'll be able to cope the Indian heat and conditions first up

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    I heard a rumour that he was going to be flying out to Bangladesh shortly to do some of his injury rehab there.

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    Nah he'll be fine.

    Bowlers like him are not exactly exerting that much stress on themselves. If Wasim can last till 36 or 37, surely Andy has 2 or 3 more years left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Nah he'll be fine.

    Bowlers like him are not exactly exerting that much stress on themselves. If Wasim can last till 36 or 37, surely Andy has 2 or 3 more years left.
    Its not about age Hes played a lot of test cricket over the last 6-8 years

    Granted the EcB have tried to manage his workload well by having him more or less concentrate primarily just on test cricket but at the end of the day test cricket is tough and the body can only take so much

    Lets see but i think this may be the beginning of the end for him

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    The thing is, if a cricketer WANTS to play, then he keeps on playing no matter what if he has the skill of Jimmy. He's just too good.

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    England pace bowling spearhead James Anderson stated that he is positive of taking part in the five-match Test series against India, to be played after the ongoing tour of Bangladesh.

    Anderson missed out on the Test series against Bangladesh due to a shoulder injury and despite no official timeline of his availability for the India tour, the 34-year-old is confident of recovering in time.

    “I really want to get on the plane so I can meet the guys when they get to India at the start of November,” Anderson told the Daily Mail.

    “That is realistic. I’ve seen specialists, and they were on a similar wavelength.”

    If Anderson is able to take part in the series against India, he will be without match practice for nearly three months, having last played a game of cricket in August against Pakistan at The Oval.

    Nevertheless, the lack of overs under his belt is not a concern for Anderson as he asserted that he does not need much of match practice to get into rhythm.

    “I definitely hope to play some part. I’m making good progress.

    “It’s a bit of trial and error when I start bowling again to see if I can cope with it, but it feels good and is going in the right direction.

    “The issue for the selectors is that there’s no cricket around that Test series, so it’s not as if I can get overs under my belt.

    “But I don’t think I need much cricket.

    “It’s not as if I’ve been out for six months. I won’t be that rusty.”

    Furthermore, Anderson added that he feels very fit except his current issue with the shoulder and is aiming to be a part of the away Ashes series in 2017-18.

    “If I can get the shoulder sorted, every other part of me feels great,” he said.

    “I feel as fit as I’ve ever been, and I’m still targeting Australia next winter.”

    England’s five-match Test series against India will get underway on 9th November with the first game which will be played at Saurashtra Cricket Association Stadium in Rajkot.

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    500 wickets and he'll probably call it a day


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    To be honest, no one has a clue whether Anderson will remain in zone or not.

    Steyn was touted to be finished by some but he came roaring back.

    But if Anderson's pace has permanently declined, then odds are high he is on a terminal decline.


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    Anderson is among the fittest bowlers around, he wont take long to be back to his best however I feel he needs to pick and choose his series now even if he's just playing tests if he wants to play till the next Ashes.

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    I doubt Anderson will play all 5 tests in India, the ECB will probably go through a stage where they will carefully manage what number of tests Anderson plays going forward so his career can go on for as long as possible.

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    You could say it's the end of the line but they can prolong his future by managing his work load very carefully from henceforth

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    As good as he is, If the ball doesnt swing In India, he will struggle.

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    English players don't care about individual milestones but he is not going to retire before taking 500 wickets. In fact, I see him playing for 2-3 years more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    English players don't care about individual milestones but he is not going to retire before taking 500 wickets. In fact, I see him playing for 2-3 years more.
    Peeps laughed when I suggested that record would be in his reach a few years ago, he pays great attention to his fitness and the support at the national academy is incredible. He has a personal goal to play in the home 2019 WC I guess it's the dream of every player but probably unlikely, can still go in Tests for 2 more years or so

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    He is not the same bowler , he will decline , but I think ECB management is good enough to keep him on for another couple of years.

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    Steyn and Anderson, both on their last legs.

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    I hope not. Wonderful bowler! I really want to watch him bowl live.

    Also, there are old scores that need to be settled before this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    I hope not. Wonderful bowler! I really want to watch him bowl live.

    Also, there are old scores that need to be settled before this happens.
    Or demolitions that need to be continued


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Or demolitions that need to be continued
    May be. But someone deserves another chance.

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    I don't think so, I think he'll be fine, can't be sure obviously.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    May be. But someone deserves another chance.
    Another chance at humiliating the next ATG


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    He will miss first India Test

    And i doubt he would be in any condition to perform at his best for his first test affter age at the age of 34 and that too in India

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    The problem is Anderson's physically fit but cannot bowl as the shoulder is a problem.

    So even if Anderson is fit after the first Test that he'll miss, it may take him one or two Tests to regain his rhythm and pace. Anderson has shown he can be effective in Asia, utilising reverse swing and cutters, but at 60-70% what use will he be ?

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    It's already been confirmed he's missing the first Test v India. Hardly breaking news now.


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    I remember a similar thread for Steyn, look how that turned out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffer_XIII View Post
    I remember a similar thread for Steyn, look how that turned out
    Well.... It'll need mental toughness..... And the problem is, Jimmy is an English player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Well.... It'll need mental toughness..... And the problem is, Jimmy is an English player.
    Very sensible post.

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    He was at his best earlier in the summer vs Sri Lanka, but he hasn't recovered from the shoulder injury he suffered before the first Test vs Pakistan.

    It was clear throughout the Pakistan series that he was not fit and it impacted his performance. A fit Anderson would have had Woakes type figures and we would have lost the series.

    I think he still has 2-3 years in him, but England need to regulate his rehab better. He is beyond that stage where he can be rushed back from injuries because when you age, your recovery period gets longer.

    If missing the India series is what it takes for him to get back to peak physical condition, it will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saffer_XIII View Post
    I remember a similar thread for Steyn, look how that turned out
    Steyn hasn't truly been tested yet. Bashing NZ at home means nothing really. The Australia tour will determine whether Steyn's still as good or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He was at his best earlier in the summer vs Sri Lanka, but he hasn't recovered from the shoulder injury he suffered before the first Test vs Pakistan.

    It was clear throughout the Pakistan series that he was not fit and it impacted his performance. A fit Anderson would have had Woakes type figures and we would have lost the series.

    I think he still has 2-3 years in him, but England need to regulate his rehab better. He is beyond that stage where he can be rushed back from injuries because when you age, your recovery period gets longer.

    If missing the India series is what it takes for him to get back to peak physical condition, it will be worth it.
    was it you was saying we will be whitewased in england, i can be wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistan cricket fan View Post
    was it you was saying we will be whitewased in england, i can be wrong?
    Partially right and wrong, I backed England to win 3-0.

    Not to take credit away from Pakistan who played the best cricket in England since Sri Lanka 2014 and South Africa 2012, but quite a few things went their way.

    Firstly, they got excellent batting surfaces in two Tests because in the late English summer the weather is generally quite good, especially in London, and Pakistan managed to avoid any dark clouds at Lord's and The Oval. Unfortunately the ODI at Lord's in September was in overcast conditions and our batsmen except Sarfraz had a horrid time.

    They got lucky that they didn't get such conditions either in the Lord's Test or The Oval Test.

    Earlier in the summer, the conditions for Sri Lanka were tougher for batting than the one we got.

    The Old Trafford Test was the only Test where the conditions were akin to normal English conditions and we got a good hiding. In Edgbaston, the conditions were decent but when England got the reverse-swing going, we couldn't survive a session.

    Another factor that went Pakistan's way was the injury problems that England was coping with. Anderson played 3 Tests without being fully fit and Stokes played only 1 match, which means that England did not have a world class bowler and a world class all-rounder at their best, which certainly played in our hands.

    However, as I said, full credit needs to be given to Pakistan even if they got a slice of luck. They were very efficient and whenever the conditions favored them, they took full advantage.


    The likes of Yasir got wickets whenever he found any help in the pitch and the batsmen cashed in when their were runs on offer.

    Even Younis came good on a flat pitch on second attempt, after clowning around for 3 Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Partially right and wrong, I backed England to win 3-0.

    Not to take credit away from Pakistan who played the best cricket in England since Sri Lanka 2014 and South Africa 2012, but quite a few things went their way.

    Firstly, they got excellent batting surfaces in two Tests because in the late English summer the weather is generally quite good, especially in London, and Pakistan managed to avoid any dark clouds at Lord's and The Oval. Unfortunately the ODI at Lord's in September was in overcast conditions and our batsmen except Sarfraz had a horrid time.

    They got lucky that they didn't get such conditions either in the Lord's Test or The Oval Test.

    Earlier in the summer, the conditions for Sri Lanka were tougher for batting than the one we got.

    The Old Trafford Test was the only Test where the conditions were akin to normal English conditions and we got a good hiding. In Edgbaston, the conditions were decent but when England got the reverse-swing going, we couldn't survive a session.

    Another factor that went Pakistan's way was the injury problems that England was coping with. Anderson played 3 Tests without being fully fit and Stokes played only 1 match, which means that England did not have a world class bowler and a world class all-rounder at their best, which certainly played in our hands.

    However, as I said, full credit needs to be given to Pakistan even if they got a slice of luck. They were very efficient and whenever the conditions favored them, they took full advantage.


    The likes of Yasir got wickets whenever he found any help in the pitch and the batsmen cashed in when their were runs on offer.

    Even Younis came good on a flat pitch on second attempt, after clowning around for 3 Tests.
    thanks for the reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Yeah it was, out of his depth. Blind hater who was proven wrong, wonder if he seriously believes half the stuff which comes out his mouth bit like Donald Trump
    We should have drawn the third test and then at the oval i was confident that we will win as always but i am happy that draw the series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Partially right and wrong, I backed England to win 3-0.

    Not to take credit away from Pakistan who played the best cricket in England since Sri Lanka 2014 and South Africa 2012, but quite a few things went their way.

    Firstly, they got excellent batting surfaces in two Tests because in the late English summer the weather is generally quite good, especially in London, and Pakistan managed to avoid any dark clouds at Lord's and The Oval. Unfortunately the ODI at Lord's in September was in overcast conditions and our batsmen except Sarfraz had a horrid time.

    They got lucky that they didn't get such conditions either in the Lord's Test or The Oval Test.

    Earlier in the summer, the conditions for Sri Lanka were tougher for batting than the one we got.

    The Old Trafford Test was the only Test where the conditions were akin to normal English conditions and we got a good hiding. In Edgbaston, the conditions were decent but when England got the reverse-swing going, we couldn't survive a session.

    Another factor that went Pakistan's way was the injury problems that England was coping with. Anderson played 3 Tests without being fully fit and Stokes played only 1 match, which means that England did not have a world class bowler and a world class all-rounder at their best, which certainly played in our hands.

    However, as I said, full credit needs to be given to Pakistan even if they got a slice of luck. They were very efficient and whenever the conditions favored them, they took full advantage.


    The likes of Yasir got wickets whenever he found any help in the pitch and the batsmen cashed in when their were runs on offer.

    Even Younis came good on a flat pitch on second attempt, after clowning around for 3 Tests.
    This is a pretty hilarious post in all honesty especially the James Anderson part? Are you saying you are more equipped to give a final opinion than the ECB medical staff, the coaches and the individual himself who claim that he was fully fit? Btw just to put out a fact, Anderson was actually fit even for the first test and was only not picked due to stubbornness of ECB doctors who took the wrong call. Infact Anderson was playing a county match at the same time as the first test match and there was huge hullabaloo about this during that time that how a fit player didn't play and England faced the consequences as a result. So your assertions are pure fiction. If anything Anderson was totally fresh and rested for the remaining tests.

    Additionally you are talking about a lot of hypotheticals which didn't go England's way while at the same time totally ignoring the what-ifs which went against Pakistan such as dropped catches and poor fitness of Sohail Khan among other things. It's a bit funny that one side is afforded the luxury of these but the other isn't in your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    This is a pretty hilarious post in all honesty especially the James Anderson part? Are you saying you are more equipped to give a final opinion than the ECB medical staff, the coaches and the individual himself who claim that he was fully fit? Btw just to put out a fact, Anderson was actually fit even for the first test and was only not picked due to stubbornness of ECB doctors who took the wrong call. Infact Anderson was playing a county match at the same time as the first test match and there was huge hullabaloo about this during that time that how a fit player didn't play and England faced the consequences as a result. So your assertions are pure fiction. If anything Anderson was totally fresh and rested for the remaining tests.

    Additionally you are talking about a lot of hypotheticals which didn't go England's way while at the same time totally ignoring the what-ifs which went against Pakistan such as dropped catches and poor fitness of Sohail Khan among other things. It's a bit funny that one side is afforded the luxury of these but the other isn't in your post

    Firstly, this is Anderson we are talking about. England's premier strike bowler and a series where England would have reached the number one ranking had they won, so it was clearly extremely important. England had no choice but to rush him back.

    Secondly, his shoulder injury is a recurring problem now. He injured his shoulder before the Lord's Test and now a few months later, he is going to miss the first Test in India due to the same shoulder. Now even someone with no medical background like you can see what's going on here, but with my little bit of medical knowledge and years of training, I can tell you in my humble opinion that the major cause of such recurring injuries in the same zone is incorrect or hasty rehab.

    Anderson is not young anymore and thus his recovery period is longer. As Cook commented, he feels fine generally but it is only when he bowls that he feels discomfort. This discomfort is because he did not have a long enough rehab, so it's not an issue of fitness. The reason his rehab was not enough was because he England had no choice but to rush him back, given the magnitude of the series.

    Anderson needs a good 5-6 months rest. Prolonged recovery period and hasty comebacks is what has hampered the aging Steyn as well, who keeps getting recurring injuries.

    As far as the dropped catches are concerned, they are Pakistan's own failings. Please note that I didn't pinpoint England's own failings either - England were no better than Pakistan in the field and their dropped catches cannot be used as an excuse and both teams will rue the missed chances.

    However, not having two key players fully fit is a valid problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistan cricket fan View Post
    thanks for the reply
    You're welcome.

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    Personal attacks are not tolerated here. Please behave maturely and treat each other with respect.


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    James Anderson exclusive: 'People questioning how long I have left motivates me - I'm ready to play on'
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    467 Test wickets and he still gets written off before each series. When will people learn! Hopefully he hits 500 before he retires.

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    http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/j...e-ashes-622418

    Whether Ashes will be played or not only time can tell. However, speculations on who should make it to the playing XI for England and Australia are already being made. On Wednesday, Ian Chappell was of the opinion that James Anderson’s injury has given many other youngsters like Jake Ball, Mark Wood and likes the opportunity in the playing XI with no chance of him making it to the Ashes as well. However, the pacer has quashed the claims and declared that he wants to play until 2019 Ashes. He also said that there is some ‘unfinished business’ in Australia which he wishes to complete this summer.

    Anderson will be turning 35 soon and does not feel ‘very old’ yet. In his column in Telegraph UK, Anderson wrote about his ambition to play more Ashes. “The ambition to play one more Ashes in England is still strong. It is two years away and I know a lot can happen in that time. A player can get a career ending injury at any moment or a lack of form can cost them their place so I know I have to take it step by step, summer by summer. I want to go to Australia this (English) winter. It is an amazing tour. There is nothing quite like an Ashes trip Down Under. I have experienced both winning and losing in Australia and I feel like I have unfinished business,” he mentioned.

    Anderson has been part of four successful off his six Ashes campaigns but injury has cost him many more matches. Anderson has been successful in the Ashes campaigns conducted on English soil. However, he is keen to improve his record in Australia.

    But Chappell begs to differ and speaking to The Unplayable Podcast, “I think he’s got a lot to prove in Australia and what he’s shown so far he might be lucky to hold a spot in Australia. Broad’s style of bowling is perhaps better suited to Australia and then when you’ve got (Chris) Woakes and (Ben) Stokes, I like the look of Mark Wood, Jake Ball is a pretty reasonable (fast bowler), they’ve got a lot of good young quicks around so I wouldn’t see James Anderson as a certainty in the (team),” Chappell said.


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    I can see him demolishing the South Africans on this pitch.

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    He still has a couple of years left in him

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    I would always pick him in England, NZ or SA, but I wouldn't take him to Australia this time.

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    There's life in the old dog yet and he could well get to 500 wickets this summer.

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    Lol, it's the same thing every time. Does nothing overseas, goes back to England and voila, he's back!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Lol, it's the same thing every time. Does nothing overseas, goes back to England and voila, he's back!
    That would make him a Home Track Bully. Not good in unhelpful conditions.

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    Jimmy will get to 500 wickets against WI and after that i'd retire if i was him and go out on a high in front of your home fans.

    at this stage of his career Jimmy wont be that effective on Aussie tracks.
    But im guessing he will go out of pride but have a feeling he could end it with a bit of a pasting down under

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    There's life in the old dog yet and he could well get to 500 wickets this summer.
    As they say class is permanent.

    People should admit this, man is a legend. He gets wickets.

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    I think upcoming ashes series could be his last. If he has a shocker I wouldn't be suprised to see him retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    Jimmy will get to 500 wickets against WI and after that i'd retire if i was him and go out on a high in front of your home fans.

    at this stage of his career Jimmy wont be that effective on Aussie tracks.
    But im guessing he will go out of pride but have a feeling he could end it with a bit of a pasting down under

    I think he'll want to carry on at least until the end of next summer - 2 tests vs Pakistan and 5 vs India, two teams which he seems to pick up wickets for fun against, would be a good way to go out.

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    @Gabbar Singh being an Englishman his main goal is the Ashes its all built around Ashes cycles. if England get another pasting down under then i think Jimmy will retire. Jimmy at 35 i think this is his last year of intl cricket.

    next home ashes is 2019 and Jimmy will be 37 then cant see him playing till then.

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    James Anderson eyes player-coach role with England if Ottis Gibson takes South Africa job

    James Anderson would like to be considered for the position of England fast bowling coach if Ottis Gibson takes the No 1 job with South Africa.

    Although the 35-year-old has no intention of retiring any time soon, and has targeted the 2019 Ashes as his international swansong, he has naturally allowed his thoughts to turn towards a post-playing career.

    And the timing of South Africa’s move for Gibson, as revealed by Sportsmail on Friday, opens up the possibility of Anderson taking a player-coach role for the Ashes tour which starts in October.

    The timeframe for finding a replacement would be relatively short and England director Andrew Strauss has shown he is not afraid to add current players to his coaching roster with the extension of Durham captain Paul Collingwood’s fielding coach role from 60 to 100 days a year.

    Although any move to give coaching duties to an active squad member would be a surprise, there are those within the dressing room who would view the 126-cap Test bowler’s upgrading from on-field mentor as a natural progression.

    Test captain Joe Root already makes a point of fielding Anderson at mid-off to impart knowledge picked up in a 484-wicket career.

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    Anderson will play big part in Ashes: Broad

    LONDON: Stuart Broad is “very confident” longstanding new-ball partner James Anderson will play a “big part” in England’s upcoming Ashes defence in Australia.

    Anderson recently turned 35 and there are concerns a five-Test series ‘Down Under’, which starts in November, could be a tour too far for England’s all-time leading Test wicket-taker.

    The Lancashire paceman has taken 487 wickets at 27.90 apiece in 126 Tests but his 43 on Australian soil have come at a more expensive average of 38.44, although Anderson was a key member of the England touring side that won the 2010-11 Ashes.

    And Broad, speaking ahead of England’s home three-Test series against the West Indies, had no doubt the swing specialist could be a central figure once again, no matter what the conditions are.

    “I’m very confident,” said Broad. “The last couple of years he’s averaging 14 or 15 with the ball in England, so we know how dangerous he is when the ball’s moving around like that. But when we go to Australia, the wobble seam he bowls is a great weapon to have in Australia — take [Australia’s] Stuart Clark as an example. We’re certainly fortunate to have him going strong and I certainly expect him to play a big part in Australia.”

    There was even talk Anderson could double up as England bowling coach if the current incumbent, Ottis Gibson, takes over as head coach of South Africa. “That was suggested really sarcastically by Jimmy in the changing room,” said Broad.

    Anderson and Broad are already established as one of England’s greatest new-ball pairings, having taken a combined 720 wickets in 94 Tests together.

    Asked about the possibility of extending that figure to 1,000 wickets, Broad said: “It’d be pretty special, but we’d have to see how long the old bloke [Anderson] wants to go on for. I’ve been lucky to bowl at the other end to him and I know if I hadn’t done, I wouldn’t have as many wickets as I have got.”

    Broad himself is now just five away from surpassing Ian Botham’s mark of 383 Test wickets and so becoming England’s second-most successful Test bowler.

    “Obviously he [Botham] is the biggest player English cricket has ever had probably,” he said. “Anyone who’s done what he has against Australia I’ve got a lot of respect for. He has been an inspiration to me in how to take on Australia.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Lol, it's the same thing every time. Does nothing overseas, goes back to England and voila, he's back!
    Jimmy's like fine wine

    Despite Smith assaults, one of his best Ashes tours


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Lol, it's the same thing every time. Does nothing overseas, goes back to England and voila, he's back!
    He did average 27 with the ball this series - very good, 17 wickets

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    He is an ATG, and possibly the best English bowler ever if we ignore the ancient cricketers whose abilities and skills cannot be objectively verified.

    Just gets better and better with age because his bowling has not declined and his experience is helping him greatly.

    Looking forward to him taking 600 Test wickets. It is a very realistic target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an ATG, and possibly the best English bowler ever if we ignore the ancient cricketers whose abilities and skills cannot be objectively verified.

    Just gets better and better with age because his bowling has not declined and his experience is helping him greatly.

    Looking forward to him taking 600 Test wickets. It is a very realistic target.
    ATG? I thought it was only Indian cricketers you over hyped. However seems like you do the same with English

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImyCheeko View Post
    ATG? I thought it was only Indian cricketers you over hyped. However seems like you do the same with English
    He has won many, many games for England, and played huge roles in series wins in Australia and India. Considering his skills, longevity, fitness and mental strength, there is no case of downplaying his stellar career.

    He has had an incredible career and it’s not over yet. Not everything is about averages and strike rates.

    He is the most skilled bowler of his era, with complete mastery of new ball skills. He took his game to another level once he mastered reverse-swing, which brought him success overseas.

    He has taken a high percentage of top-order wickets, and has troubled some of the best batsmen to have played the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Jimmy's like fine wine

    Despite Smith assaults, one of his best Ashes tours
    I'll give him credit for keeping it tight but he didn't really do anything. Take out the 4 useless wickets at Perth after Australia had put up 550 and his average goes back to the usual 35.


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    Anderson will be fine during he summer coming up and will take plenty of wickets against Pakistan/India. Give him the following winter off against SL and W.I and he can retire after home Ashes in 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is an ATG, and possibly the best English bowler ever if we ignore the ancient cricketers whose abilities and skills cannot be objectively verified.

    Just gets better and better with age because his bowling has not declined and his experience is helping him greatly.

    Looking forward to him taking 600 Test wickets. It is a very realistic target.
    Its a double edged sword. The difference b/w his England record and outside England record is too wide. But then again it is not easy to get so many wickets as well regardless of whether you are a green top bully or not. To make best use of the conditions is an art itself, so many times i have seen the likes of Gul and other trundlers we produce waste the new ball, fail to take wickets inspite of good bowling conditions. Without a doubt, England's best seamer in history.

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    Can anyone pull Stats with regards to Anderson before 2007 and Anderson from 2007 to today. My theory is that his bowling stats before 2007 were average and he also suffered due to being in and out of the team, showing indifferent form, not understanding his bowling well enough but from 2007 onwards ever since he got a full time role in the side, his stats have been way better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImyCheeko View Post
    ATG? I thought it was only Indian cricketers you over hyped. However seems like you do the same with English
    @Mamoon has great admiration for most English players i.e. the likes of Cook, Anderson, Root and of course Stokes. He doesn't fail calling all of them as ATGs.

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    Anderson has no doubt come a long way and is the second best bowler after Steyn from his era. His fitness and longevity is worth impressive and hence has a case for being rated as England's best bowlers in last 'X' years where X is definitely more than when I started watching cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Its a double edged sword. The difference b/w his England record and outside England record is too wide. But then again it is not easy to get so many wickets as well regardless of whether you are a green top bully or not. To make best use of the conditions is an art itself, so many times i have seen the likes of Gul and other trundlers we produce waste the new ball, fail to take wickets inspite of good bowling conditions. Without a doubt, England's best seamer in history.
    I think the only factor that has prevented Anderson from reaching the heights of bowlers like Wasim is his lack of pace. If he was 5 mph quicker on average, he would have averaged below 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    @Mamoon has great admiration for most English players i.e. the likes of Cook, Anderson, Root and of course Stokes. He doesn't fail calling all of them as ATGs.
    I disagree with Cook, the guy has a huge sample size and has gone missing most of the times when it has really mattered the most. This current Ashes series was his big chance to make a big name for himself without the burden of captaincy and he let his team down badly, a 244 not out in a dead rubber where Starc was not playing will not help his cause.

    It is early days for Root and Stokes for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    I disagree with Cook, the guy has a huge sample size and has gone missing most of the times when it has really mattered the most. This current Ashes series was his big chance to make a big name for himself without the burden of captaincy and he let his team down badly, a 244 not out in a dead rubber where Starc was not playing will not help his cause.

    It is early days for Root and Stokes for now.
    He is around the same level or a little below Smith and Hayden for me in tests. When all formats considered, Sehwag and even Warner is also superior.

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    Great bowler, now has genuine fashions on being a solid pick for an all time England XI.

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    He is a genuine quality bowler, quite underrated but a very very good pace bowler for England.

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    Well he has already reached the peak in Maslow's heirarchy

    Can peacefully retire now.

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    Getting better with age. He clearly wants to play till the 2019 ashes. England need to manage his workload.

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    He'll be there this summer tormenting the Pakistan batsmen once again.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He'll be there this summer tormenting the Pakistan batsmen once again.
    Doesnt take much to torment our batsmen, am afraid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He'll be there this summer tormenting the Pakistan batsmen once again.
    Shan Masood will end his career come the May 2018


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    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I think the only factor that has prevented Anderson from reaching the heights of bowlers like Wasim is his lack of pace. If he was 5 mph quicker on average, he would have averaged below 25.
    He was way too inconsistent until 2007, when his average was in high thirties if i remember correctly, he added consistency around that time. He gained a lot more control around that time, previously he was also injury prone. What are Anderson's Tests stats post 2007? Might be around 25 i guess. He has slowed down, but has become very accurate and knowledgeable with time. He hardly wastes a single delivery.

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    NO WAY I'LL QUIT - James Anderson vows to keep playing for at least two more years as England pace ace says he loves cricket more than ever

    JAMES ANDERSON is slim, fit and hoping to bowl for England for at least two more years.

    His hair is brown once more, his ambition still strong. A brief flirtation with the peroxide bottle is the only suggestion Anderson might be approaching any sort of crossroads.

    He joked: “Mid-life crisis averted  . . . for the time being!”

    Anderson has been bowling superbly for years and better than ever during the past 12 months, combining swing, seam and still decent pace.

    The world’s best batsmen will tell you he remains a nightmare to face 15 years after his Test debut — quicker than you think, the master of skill and deception and constantly in your face, chirping away.

    He took 39 wickets at 14 apiece for England last summer and there is no reason to believe there will not be another decent harvest against Pakistan and India in the coming weeks.

    Anderson is loving his cricket and he wants to keep playing until his body gives up.

    Long-standing shoulder and ankle issues required injections three weeks ago and he manages his workload. Bowling quick is bloody hard work but, generally, he is in terrific shape.

    And the assumption held by many, that he will retire after the 2019 Ashes series, is wrong — Anderson would like nothing more than to continue playing for England into his late 30s.

    Now 35, Anderson said: “As long as the body feels OK, I’m enjoying playing, helping the team improve and taking wickets, I’ll keep going.

    “I’ve spoken to people who have retired once they lost the enjoyment of a long day in the field or going to the gym. If I lose that, it’s time to go.

    “I’ve spoken to guys like Freddie Flintoff, who retired through injury, and you can tell how much he misses the game. The craic and the camaraderie. Swanny says the same.

    “You spend so much time with people, you do get really close, have that family feel. So I want to keep hold of that as long as possible.”

    Anderson has 531 Test wickets, fifth on the all-time list and second only to Glenn McGrath among quick bowlers.

    He was easily England’s best bowler during the 4-0 Ashes hammering last winter and he enters the First Test against Pakistan tomorrow ten short of becoming the first bowler to take 100 Test wickets at Lord’s.

    Anderson added: “I’m delighted with the way I’m bowling, I can’t remember being this consistent. I’m taking wickets in most games and I keep touching wood that injuries stay away.

    “For me, what works is keeping training short but with high intensity and then recovering well. Physio, massage, icing, things like that.

    “The shoulder and ankle have been niggly concerns for a few years so I had a couple of jabs this month. They should see me through the summer.

    “You learn as you get older. I bowl quite a bit but I might wake up and think, ‘Actually, I don’t need to bowl today.’ So short and sharp for me and saving the best stuff for matches.

    “Another thing is I’m better able these days to concentrate on the next game. In the past, if I got a five-for, I’d think I’d got it sussed and take my eye off the ball.

    “I know my game really well and I’m relatively comfortable in most situations. I believe I can still take wickets on most pitches even though I might not have the pace I used to.

    “I don’t see why I couldn’t go beyond next year’s Ashes, but I don’t want to look too far ahead. It would be an amazing series to play in, with a Test at Old Trafford as well. I’m certainly not thinking I’ll finish after that series. I’m open-minded. You just don’t know.

    “I might get to the end of this Pakistan series and think I cannot go on.

    “Or I might get to the end of the Ashes in 2019 and feel as fresh as I’ve ever felt and want to carry on for another two years.”


    JAMES . . . ON HIS HAIR

    “I thought it was a long time since I’d done something with my hair. I had it red many years ago and a bit of blond every now and again.

    “I wanted a grey/silver colour, but it turned out more dirty blond.

    “Then I bowled poorly for Lancashire against Somerset — I thought it must be the hair! So I dyed it back to dark brown and bowled better in the next game. I’ll let it grow out now.”


    . . . ON ED SMITH

    “I actually played in all three of Ed Smith’s Tests back in 2003.

    “So I know him a little from that and listening to him as a commentator on Test Match Special.

    “He explained the reasons for his selections for the First Test very clearly. As players, we certainly want that.

    “Why are you playing? Why have you been dropped? What is your role? What do you need to do to get back? That clarity is crucial.”


    . . . ON SANDPAPERGATE

    “I’ve never heard of teams taking sandpaper onto the field to scuff the ball. As a bowler, the ball is your tool. It’s how I earn a living.

    “If one of the batsmen was doing something to the ball, I’d be furious. It would be like me cutting off an inch from his bat handle.

    “When the ball comes back to me, I look at it between every delivery. I’d have thought it would be obvious if someone had been sandpapering it.”


    . . . ON 100-BALL COMP

    “It’s been a big talking point in the dressing rooms. Opinion is split.

    “Jonny Bairstow, the England PCA rep, gathered players’ thoughts from our WhatsApp group.

    “Some asked if we should look at the success of other T20s around the world rather than inventing this new game?

    “Some others thought we should give it a go.

    “We could do with more info before we jump to any conclusions.”

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    Still England's best bowler

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    What a guy

    Honestly he might just be my favorite bowler of all time

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    Not trying to be boastful but we've kinda played Anderson quite well ever since that 2015 UAE series. I mean we still need to see him off every game but I don't remember him running through our lineup like he used to do pre 2012/2013 season.

    There was a time when he was like Herath (against Srilanka) and Anderson (against England) were the biggest headaches


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