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    Asia bibi leaves for Canada after Supreme Court acquittal

    LAHORE: The Supreme Court is due to hear the final appeal against the execution of Asia Bibi, accused for blasphemy, on Thursday.

    Some insist it is not just a fight for one life, but a battle for the nation's soul as the state walks a razor-sharp line between upholding human rights and appeasing populist hardliners.

    This will be the final appeal for Asia Bibi, some six years after she was sentenced to death, accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) during an argument with a Muslim woman over a bowl of water.

    “There is no question that what is at stake is the very soul of the state and Pakistan society: does Pakistan respect the rights of the most vulnerable? Does it defend those rights against spurious allegations even where those allegations involved matters that are sacred to most Pakistanis?” Mustafa Qadri, an expert on human rights in South Asia, told AFP recently.

    Bibi was convicted and sentenced to death in 2010, despite her advocates maintaining her innocence and insisting the accusers held grudges against her.

    The allegations against Bibi date back to June 2009, when she was labouring in a field and a row broke out with some Muslim women she was working with.

    She was asked to fetch water, but the Muslim women objected, saying that as a non-Muslim she was unfit to touch the water bowl.

    The women went to a local cleric and accused Bibi of blasphemy against the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), a charge punishable by death under legislation that rights groups say is routinely abused to settle personal vendettas.

    Successive appeals have been rejected, and if on Thursday the three-judge Supreme Court bench upholds Bibi's conviction, her only recourse will be a direct appeal to the president for clemency.

    She would become the first person in Pakistan to be executed for blasphemy.

    The repercussions for minorities, human rights and the blasphemy laws will be “tremendous” if that happens, says Shahzad Akbar, a human rights lawyer.

    “In Pakistan blasphemy cases are mostly misused... it would be a huge blow for minorities in Pakistan who already live in fear,” Akbar explained.

    A decision in Bibi's favour, Qadri says, “would send a powerful message to the world that Pakistan respects the rule of law and not the mob.” But he also warned that hardliners “would without question react angrily and likely violently” if Bibi is acquitted.

    In 2011, former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer, who spoke out in support of Bibi, was gunned down in broad daylight in Islamabad.

    His assassin Mumtaz Qadri was executed earlier in 2016 in a Supreme Court decision that was hailed by progressives, but brought hardliners into the streets supporting Qadri and demanding Bibi be killed.

    Her husband has already written to President Mamnoon Hussain to seek permission to move her to France, where the Council of Paris unanimously adopted a proposal to award honourary citizenship to Asia Bibi in March.

    Family in hiding

    Bibi's family have lived largely in seclusion since 2010, fearing they will be mistreated if they venture out into the brimming streets of Lahore.

    “Papa used to tell me not to go out, the situation out there is very bad,” her daughter Esham, 18, says of the days after Qadri's hanging. “We used to stay inside all the time.”

    She is afraid, she says, adding: “Someday someone will come and ask me, are you the daughter of Asia Bibi?” Esham and her sister Esha go twice a month to the south Punjab city of Multan, where their mother is held.

    “We talk to our mama about the things at home,” Esham says. “I share my thoughts with her, like mother-daughter stuff.”

    The visits begin joyfully, she says, but end in grief. “She becomes sad... her daughters come to meet her from such a long distance and she cannot even hug them.”

    According to a tally by Human Rights Watch, 17 people including Bibi remain on death row for blasphemy.

    Her case has reached all the way to the Vatican - Esham had a face to face meeting with Pope Francis in April last year as the head of Catholic church offered prayers for her mother.

    “He gave me blessings and I can't remember more,” she told AFP.

    “I feel the Pope is praying for my mother and he will keep praying, and with his prayers my mother will be freed.” In 2010, Pope Francis's predecessor Benedict XVI also called for Bibi's release.

    Her family continue to hope. Esham clears her throat and speaks quietly: “My mom will be released. I ask you to pray for her. “



    http://www.dawn.com/news/1289687/asi...-supreme-court


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    Inshallah she will be released and the snowball effect will be that this draconian, barbaric law will be repealed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Inshallah she will be released and the snowball effect will be that this draconian, barbaric law will be repealed

    295-c is an Anti Islam Law. Anti Human Law.


    Another Law which is against Quranic Standards and Principles set on Blasphemy subject.


    Again some radicalist, fanatic will come and try to prove 295-c as part of Quran.


    The Most misused Law. Couple of False Lie Testimonies and Life of a Person and family ruined.


    The Lady who daily used to spill rubbish on He Pbuh, the man who used to put Cows Intestine on He Pbuh's back, the people who used to Abuse He Pbuh, the man who imjured He Pbuh's neck by pulling his cloth across it were all Blasphemers yet how He Pbuh reacted to their Blasphemy ? By kindness, patience, love and forgiveness. Why ? As that is what Allah told him and Quran teached him Pbuh and his pbuh actions were in line with Quran.


    He Pbuh did not bother to make any blasphemy Law.


    But Hey, Fanatics know more than He Pbuh Naoozbillah.


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    Lal Masjid warns government against release of Aasia Bibi



    ISLAMABAD: As the top court is set to hear Aasia Bibi’s appeal against her death penalty on Thursday, Islamabad’s Lal Masjid has warned against her ‘possible’ release. Bibi, a Christian woman, is on death row for committing blasphemy.

    The Supreme Court of Pakistan will hear Aasia’s appeal against the execution on Thursday, her defence lawyer Saiful Mulook has been quoted as saying.

    The top court in July 2015 had stayed Aasia’s execution, admitting her appeal for hearing.

    The charge against Bibi dated back to June 2009, when she was labouring in a field and a row broke out with some Muslim women she was working with. Later, the women went to a local cleric and accused Bibi of blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Bibi in her petition has denied making any blasphemous remarks.


    In 2010, a local judge Muhammad Naveed Iqbal awarded her a death penalty, which was subsequently upheld by the Lahore High Court.

    The “Shuhada Foundation”, which was formed after the security forces raided the Lal Masjid in 2007, said its supporters would take to the streets and will not allow the government to function if Aasia was released.

    “Lal Masjid will become a centre for the anti-government movement if Aasia Masih is released,” the foundation said.

    “We are seriously concerned at the efforts for the release of blasphemous Asia Masih and will consider those blasphemous who defend her, whoever they are and on whichever position they are working,” Hafiz Ehtesham Ahmad, spokesperson for the foundation said.

    Ahmad in a statement also threatened of “serious consequences” if the convict was allowed to go abroad. He claimed that some ambassadors have also lobbied for the release of Aasia. He said the mosque will mobilise public opinion and will seek the support of all schools of thought.

    In 2011, former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer, who spoke out in support of Aasia, was gunned down in broad daylight in Islamabad.


    The state hanged his assassin Mumtaz Qadri earlier in 2016 in a Supreme Court decision that was hailed by progressives, but brought hardliners into the streets supporting Qadri and demanding Aasia be killed.

    Aasia’s family have lived largely in seclusion since 2010, fearing they will be mistreated if they venture out into the brimming streets of Lahore. According to a tally by Human Rights Watch, 17 people including Aasia remain on death row for blasphemy.

    Her case has reached all the way to the Vatican — Esham, her 18-year-old daughter, had a face to face meeting with Pope Francis in April last year as the head of Catholic Church offered prayers for her mother. In 2010, Pope Francis’s predecessor Benedict XVI also called for Aasia’s release.



    http://tribune.com.pk/story/1198015/...se-aasia-bibi/


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    She will not be released. Lal Masjid already warned the government against her release. We all know the current government and especially Ch. Nisar are in bed with Maulana Abdul Aziz. Who Musharraf should have killed when he had the chance.

    But the Cancer of extremist mindset continues to torment Pakistan with Lal Masjid cronies leading the way sitting in the heart of the capital while the government has absolutely no balls to touch them let alone take any action against them. Pathetic.

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    Red Mosque and its Rooh e Rawaan is One of These :


    The Holy Prophetsaw said (as narrates by Hadrat ‘Alira):
    ‘A time will come in the near future when there will be nothing left of Islam except its name. And there will be nothing left of the Holy Qur’an except its words, [meaning the Holy Qur’an would not be understood and followed]. The mosques of this age will apparently be full of people, but will be empty of righteousness. The ulema (religious scholars) will be the worst creatures under the heaven. Discord will rise from them and will come right to them’. [That is, these religious scholars will be the source of all evils.]

    (al-Baihaqi as quoted in al-Mishkat Kitab-ul ‘Ilm, chapter 3, p. 38 and Kanzul ‘Ummal, chapter 6, p. 43)


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    Hopefully she will be released. There is nothing more pathetic than seeing Lal Masjid terrorists and jahil barelvis threatening with violence in case the poor woman is released. The execution of Mumtaz Qadri was an important step in breaking away from the cycle of intoleraance and jahalat. Hopefully, the SC does the right thing in this case. The state must take responsibility in the fight against bigotry, and lead from the front.

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    The article put it best. The soul of the country is at stake with this decision.

    If the Supreme Court sanctions the execution of a powerless young woman, this will be an indelible stain on the nation.

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    Blasphemy law is definitely barbaric as it currently stands


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    The most barbaric law ever this stupid blasphemy law. The people who defend this law are weak in faith as they can't handle someone insulting their faith. Asia didn't even do insult Islam but unfortunately in a backward country like Pakistan, she has no hope of getting released. Even by some miracle she does manage to get released, she will killed by some extremist nut job soon after.

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    Pak needs to get over this blasphemy nonsense that they see everywhere. It just portrays Islam in a negative light telling the world that Muslim's can't take even some textual criticism. Mullah's with their hate preaching do much more damage to Islam credibility then the likes of Asia Bibi. Get over it.

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    Pakistan is the only Muslim country where hanging Asia Bibi would be considered a victory for Islam. The rest of the Muslim world doesn't care, and they probably wouldn't have prosecuted her for the alleged crime. The only reason we are embarrasing ourselves in this particular case is because of pressure from idiot Moulvis, especially the Barelvis. Islam does not gain anything from hanging a poor Christian woman. Nor will the 'honour' and 'dignity' of Pakistani Muslims be restored by punishing her. Their only gain would be to further marginalize their own Christian citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Lal Masjid warns government against release of Aasia Bibi



    ISLAMABAD: As the top court is set to hear Aasia Bibi’s appeal against her death penalty on Thursday, Islamabad’s Lal Masjid has warned against her ‘possible’ release. Bibi, a Christian woman, is on death row for committing blasphemy.

    The Supreme Court of Pakistan will hear Aasia’s appeal against the execution on Thursday, her defence lawyer Saiful Mulook has been quoted as saying.

    The top court in July 2015 had stayed Aasia’s execution, admitting her appeal for hearing.

    The charge against Bibi dated back to June 2009, when she was labouring in a field and a row broke out with some Muslim women she was working with. Later, the women went to a local cleric and accused Bibi of blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Bibi in her petition has denied making any blasphemous remarks.


    In 2010, a local judge Muhammad Naveed Iqbal awarded her a death penalty, which was subsequently upheld by the Lahore High Court.

    The “Shuhada Foundation”, which was formed after the security forces raided the Lal Masjid in 2007, said its supporters would take to the streets and will not allow the government to function if Aasia was released.

    “Lal Masjid will become a centre for the anti-government movement if Aasia Masih is released,” the foundation said.

    “We are seriously concerned at the efforts for the release of blasphemous Asia Masih and will consider those blasphemous who defend her, whoever they are and on whichever position they are working,” Hafiz Ehtesham Ahmad, spokesperson for the foundation said.

    Ahmad in a statement also threatened of “serious consequences” if the convict was allowed to go abroad. He claimed that some ambassadors have also lobbied for the release of Aasia. He said the mosque will mobilise public opinion and will seek the support of all schools of thought.

    In 2011, former Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer, who spoke out in support of Aasia, was gunned down in broad daylight in Islamabad.


    The state hanged his assassin Mumtaz Qadri earlier in 2016 in a Supreme Court decision that was hailed by progressives, but brought hardliners into the streets supporting Qadri and demanding Aasia be killed.

    Aasia’s family have lived largely in seclusion since 2010, fearing they will be mistreated if they venture out into the brimming streets of Lahore. According to a tally by Human Rights Watch, 17 people including Aasia remain on death row for blasphemy.

    Her case has reached all the way to the Vatican — Esham, her 18-year-old daughter, had a face to face meeting with Pope Francis in April last year as the head of Catholic Church offered prayers for her mother. In 2010, Pope Francis’s predecessor Benedict XVI also called for Aasia’s release.



    http://tribune.com.pk/story/1198015/...se-aasia-bibi/
    I still remember hue and cry when Musharaff decided to get rid of Abdul Aziz when his gangs were attacking school going girls, setting music shops on fire and openly challenging government. Musharaff ne masoom bachon ko maar diya, America k kehnay pe bachon pe hamla etc etc and he is still threatning after all those years. I hope case is decided on merit and government takes firm action against Mullah Aziz if he tries to create a trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    I still remember hue and cry when Musharaff decided to get rid of Abdul Aziz when his gangs were attacking school going girls, setting music shops on fire and openly challenging government. Musharaff ne masoom bachon ko maar diya, America k kehnay pe bachon pe hamla etc etc and he is still threatning after all those years. I hope case is decided on merit and government takes firm action against Mullah Aziz if he tries to create a trouble.
    Exactly. I do not see the present government doing anything against Aziz K and co.


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    Surprised none of the Mumtaz Qadri worshipers have chimed in on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    The article put it best. The soul of the country is at stake with this decision.

    If the Supreme Court sanctions the execution of a powerless young woman, this will be an indelible stain on the nation.
    Honestly, if anything happens to her, I think Pakistan deserves to be subjected to sanctions worse than what Iran is receiving. If there's going to be any change in the attitude of Pakistani Muslims who feel the need to bully its non-Muslim minorities while crying about Islamophobia in the West, hit them where it hurts the most.

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    When I come across Pakistanis in the social media, the younger generation are quite liberal, very vibrant and forward thinking and not much different to the Indian younger generation actually apart from the differences in the allegiances. But unfortunately the country has been mortgaged to extremist mullahs and they wield too much power in the administration and establishment. Till their powers are curtailed (which I don't see happening due to external influences), I don't see such draconian laws getting repealed from the constitution. It's a shame such things still continue to happen in the current century and it's upto the younger lot to start reform movements.

    As an aside, is there any party in Pakistan that has spoken about reforming the blasphemy laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    When I come across Pakistanis in the social media, the younger generation are quite liberal, very vibrant and forward thinking and not much different to the Indian younger generation actually apart from the differences in the allegiances. But unfortunately the country has been mortgaged to extremist mullahs and they wield too much power in the administration and establishment. Till their powers are curtailed (which I don't see happening due to external influences), I don't see such draconian laws getting repealed from the constitution. It's a shame such things still continue to happen in the current century and it's upto the younger lot to start reform movements.

    As an aside, is there any party in Pakistan that has spoken about reforming the blasphemy laws?

    No. They fear for their life.


    There are 2 Laws in Pakistan which are considered as verses of Quran by Right Wing and a huge Population of Millions. Blasphemy Law is 1 of those 2.


    They will tell you that Pakistan will break and Islam will Die if you repeal these two Laws.


    Don't want to derail the thread by duscussing other Law.


    Even Imran Khan ducked under Mehdi Hasan's questions and failed to Answer.


    Salman Taseer stood up and look what they did with him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    Honestly, if anything happens to her, I think Pakistan deserves to be subjected to sanctions worse than what Iran is receiving. If there's going to be any change in the attitude of Pakistani Muslims who feel the need to bully its non-Muslim minorities while crying about Islamophobia in the West, hit them where it hurts the most.

    You can read Quranic definition of Hypocrites and they will fit the bill 100 %.


    Radicalist, Fanatic, Extremist Mullah's generation after generations have taught them this and they have been unchecked by the STATE as they are Thaykaydaar's Guardians of Islam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    I still remember hue and cry when Musharaff decided to get rid of Abdul Aziz when his gangs were attacking school going girls, setting music shops on fire and openly challenging government. Musharaff ne masoom bachon ko maar diya, America k kehnay pe bachon pe hamla etc etc and he is still threatning after all those years. I hope case is decided on merit and government takes firm action against Mullah Aziz if he tries to create a trouble.

    He is only One of the Examples yet a Glarring Example.


    Where are the Courts which Set him Free ?

    Where are the Courts which even Set free a Man who confesses murder and give him clean chit that you committed this murder of person X in way of Allah so well done you did a pious virtuous Act and we are setting you free. Oh you killed an Apostate well done Son of the Soil.

    What about those High Court and Supreme Court Judges ?



    State of Pakistan (all Institutions) must take a Turn. A turn in the right direction in the direction of Quaid's Pakistan rather than Aziza K, Hamidz & Oryaan's Pakistan.


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    Looks like its adjourned indefinitely.This kind of things is one of the reasons i don't like RSS/VHP taking control of administration as one can never predict how fundamentalists behave.

    Thanks God till now regionalism trumps religion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Looks like its adjourned indefinitely.This kind of things is one of the reasons i don't like RSS/VHP taking control of administration as one can never predict how fundamentalists behave.

    Thanks God till now regionalism trumps religion.
    RSS is a good thing to happen to indian politics. Otherwise the leftist liberal mafia was bent on producing self hating hindus who have no pride in their identity, their past and their culture. At least now we have hindus openly displaying love and pride in their religion and culture. But we need to make a distinction between the good RSS and the bad RSS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    When I come across Pakistanis in the social media, the younger generation are quite liberal, very vibrant and forward thinking and not much different to the Indian younger generation actually apart from the differences in the allegiances. But unfortunately the country has been mortgaged to extremist mullahs and they wield too much power in the administration and establishment. Till their powers are curtailed (which I don't see happening due to external influences), I don't see such draconian laws getting repealed from the constitution. It's a shame such things still continue to happen in the current century and it's upto the younger lot to start reform movements.

    As an aside, is there any party in Pakistan that has spoken about reforming the blasphemy laws?
    That is not at all the case. The younger generation in general and especially on social media is so sickeningly conservative they can make even the most optimistic of people lose all faith in humanity. Just


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    I hope there is a lot of international pressure on Pakistan when it comes to this case. It doesn't matter how extremists react. If humanity has to be shoved down their throats then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    RSS is a good thing to happen to indian politics. Otherwise the leftist liberal mafia was bent on producing self hating hindus who have no pride in their identity, their past and their culture. At least now we have hindus openly displaying love and pride in their religion and culture. But we need to make a distinction between the good RSS and the bad RSS.
    When religion gets attached politics and state then people not belonging to that religion get questioned about their loyalty.

    The problem imo is whether left or right both belong to India but right wing hardly played any major role in Independence esp RSS but they are still considered "party of the soil" and questioning them just brings about hate from their supporters,I'm all for right wing to be included but we need to have open debate culture kind of like what was there during prev BJP's tenure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    When I come across Pakistanis in the social media, the younger generation are quite liberal, very vibrant and forward thinking and not much different to the Indian younger generation actually apart from the differences in the allegiances. But unfortunately the country has been mortgaged to extremist mullahs and they wield too much power in the administration and establishment. Till their powers are curtailed (which I don't see happening due to external influences), I don't see such draconian laws getting repealed from the constitution. It's a shame such things still continue to happen in the current century and it's upto the younger lot to start reform movements.

    As an aside, is there any party in Pakistan that has spoken about reforming the blasphemy laws?
    As Dw44 said i think its the opposite as well ,most of the modern Muslims left India for Pakistan during partition and defn Pakistan seemed much more liberal till late 1960's,vibrant student politics with left and right wing open debates,free society all were part of Pakistan.

    Note:The above information is mostly based on articles i read from DAWN (esp Nadeem F),pasting couple of links below.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1031819/an-election

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1174696/pak...ation-mutation

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1037584/the...-urban-history


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    When religion gets attached politics and state then people not belonging to that religion get questioned about their loyalty.

    The problem imo is whether left or right both belong to India but right wing hardly played any major role in Independence esp RSS but they are still considered "party of the soil" and questioning them just brings about hate from their supporters,I'm all for right wing to be included but we need to have open debate culture kind of like what was there during prev BJP's tenure.
    Hardly played any major role in independence? Immaterial. Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan was against Pakistan's creation, but later got involved in nation building. Nation building is more important now than which party played a role in independence. So RSS has been doing yeoman's service to the nation since independence and its contribution is more than that of congress (which is a party of sycophants and black money hoarders).


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    Hardly played any major role in independence? Immaterial. Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan was against Pakistan's creation, but later got involved in nation building. Nation building is more important now than which party played a role in independence. So RSS has been doing yeoman's service to the nation since independence and its contribution is more than that of congress (which is a party of sycophants and black money hoarders).
    If RSS's comparison is with Congress/Left then its a pretty low bar to cross.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Blasphemy law is definitely barbaric as it currently stands
    I have read through the articles on this case and it seems the prosecution case rests on allegations and verbal testimony from the women involved. Both sides are giving different versions of what was said in which case I would have thought proving the case would be extremely difficult. You could certainly see how it would be open to abuse if all you have to go on is "he said, she said..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    That is not at all the case. The younger generation in general and especially on social media is so sickeningly conservative they can make even the most optimistic of people lose all faith in humanity. Just
    Do you think ISIS/Da'esh would take over Karachi or Lahore or Quetta since they share a lot of values then? If there is a large section of Pakistanis who support killing over blasphemy, then it's not out of the question that they would all welcome Da'esh-style Shariat throughout the country, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    Do you think ISIS/Da'esh would take over Karachi or Lahore or Quetta since they share a lot of values then? If there is a large section of Pakistanis who support killing over blasphemy, then it's not out of the question that they would all welcome Da'esh-style Shariat throughout the country, no?
    They can't. For starters, there's very little space for them to squeeze in here. The Wahabi market is already cornered by Jamat ud Dawa/LeT and given how small said market is, there isn't really room for new entrants. Secondly, ISIS will come into direct conflict with some of the biggest, best equipped and therefore most well established terrorist organizations here due to sectarian differences on account of ISIS being Salafi and most major players here being Deobandi. This particular conflict has already been playing out in Afghanistan for a while now where the Salafi ISIS and Deobandi Taliban have been fighting for the better part of two years. Third, having an opinion or two in common does not mean total acceptance of the other party's ideology. Pakistanis may support death for blasphemy but I doubt they'd support ISIS(exceptions notwithstanding but they usually go to Syria) style shariat, particularly when you consider that 98% of Pakistan's Muslim population is either Brelvi, Deobandi or Shia, all groups very staunchly opposed to ISIS' version of Islam which is followed by less than 2% of Pakistani Muslims. The fourth and most important factor is the army. The only terrorist organizations that thrive in Pakistan are the ones who have the army's support and army is deadly against ISIS, to the point where they took out one of their own assets in Malik Ishaq when word got out that he was planning to pledge allegiance to ISIS. If the army isn't on your side, you go through what TTP is going through right now in Waziristan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    That is not at all the case. The younger generation in general and especially on social media is so sickeningly conservative they can make even the most optimistic of people lose all faith in humanity. Just
    As I call them, 'clean-shaven extremists. They engage in all sorts of immoral and evil practices but on social media, they portray themselves as devout followers of the religion; declaring others as being insufficiently Islamic and calling for violence against whoever they will. A really confused lot!

    Such birdbrains engage in welfare frauds and workplace injury frauds but go on FB and call for implementation of Sharia and share extremist literature!


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    As I call them, 'clean-shaven extremists. They engage in all sorts of immoral and evil practices but on social media, they portray themselves as devout followers of the religion; declaring others as being insufficiently Islamic and calling for violence against whoever they will. A really confused lot!

    Such birdbrains engage in welfare frauds and workplace injury frauds but go on FB and call for implementation of Sharia and share extremist literature!
    Sharmeen dubbed Pakistani millennials the "Taliban Generation" and I couldn't agree more having spent most of my life in Pakistan as a millennial. It's sad just how mainstream extremist views have become among the current generation, so much so that a lot of those views aren't even considered extremist by most people. This is the first generation that was born and raised entirely in a post Zia Pakistan and educated from the beginning to the end under Zia/JI's education system and it's getting progressively worse. Younger millennials(those born in the late 90s and early 2000s) are significantly worse than older ones(those born in the mid-late 80s and early 90s).


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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Sharmeen dubbed Pakistani millennials the "Taliban Generation" and I couldn't agree more having spent most of my life in Pakistan as a millennial. It's sad just how mainstream extremist views have become among the current generation, so much so that a lot of those views aren't even considered extremist by most people. This is the first generation that was born and raised entirely in a post Zia Pakistan and educated from the beginning to the end under Zia/JI's education system and it's getting progressively worse. Younger millennials(those born in the late 90s and early 2000s) are significantly worse than older ones(those born in the mid-late 80s and early 90s).
    True. Most only give lip service on social media. Their actions say something else. Plus, the current crop of Pakistanis lack critical thinking skills.There is so much misinformation in Pakistan and so many conspiracy theories that it is appalling!
    Last edited by saeedhk; 13th October 2016 at 18:56.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    True. Most only give lip service on social media. Their actions say something else. Plus, the current crop of Pakistanis lack critical thinking skills.There is so much misinformation in Pakistan and so many conspiracy theories that it is appalling!
    Thank the national security state for that.


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    If something happens to Asia then Pakistan needs to ridiculed beyond measure by the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    If something happens to Asia then Pakistan needs to ridiculed beyond measure by the rest of the world.
    #HangAsia was trending in Pakistan all day, that's your reminder of how morally decadent Pakistani society has become.

    It won't be long before Pakistanis are banned from immigrating to the West if a large section of the population holds anti-Christian views like these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    #HangAsia was trending in Pakistan all day, that's your reminder of how morally decadent Pakistani society has become.

    It won't be long before Pakistanis are banned from immigrating to the West if a large section of the population holds anti-Christian views like these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Sharmeen dubbed Pakistani millennials the "Taliban Generation" and I couldn't agree more having spent most of my life in Pakistan as a millennial. It's sad just how mainstream extremist views have become among the current generation, so much so that a lot of those views aren't even considered extremist by most people. This is the first generation that was born and raised entirely in a post Zia Pakistan and educated from the beginning to the end under Zia/JI's education system and it's getting progressively worse. Younger millennials(those born in the late 90s and early 2000s) are significantly worse than older ones(those born in the mid-late 80s and early 90s).
    All comes down to education. When you don't have a proper education system in place then the young developing minds of the children will be taught whatever a teacher thinks is right. Not even considering madrasas right now. We can kill every terrorist on our soil, destroy every bad madrasa, hang the Lal masjid molvi (forgot is name) and do every thing through violent means possible, it will still not solve the source of the problem which are caused by the underlying deep rooted deficiencies of our education system. Jahil awam, Jahil mulk


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    I don't think the people will rest easy until that poor woman is hanged. Pakistan as a nation is simply not ready to rid itself of the clutches of our primitive values yet.

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    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC
    The death penalty is what's wrong with this law, not to mention the half a dozen or so basic human rights it violates. While one should be free to practice their religion, there shouldn't be an expectation that others will respect their imaginary friends and the use of the death penalty as a deterrent is the height of inhumanity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC
    What's wrong with killing an innocent woman? Seriously ask yourself that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC
    And you wonder why people like Trump and the rest of Islamophobes want a ban on Muslim immigration if such viewpoints are popular among your lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    And you wonder why people like Trump and the rest of Islamophobes want a ban on Muslim immigration if such viewpoints are popular among your lot.
    I am in agreement with islamphobes those who want to live in An islamic society, should live there and those who want to live in a secular society should live there.


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    This women needs to be let go asap, and more than adequately compensated for the grave injustices committed against her. Anyone in support of this law should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC
    A) It enables a high degree of subjectivity.
    B) It asks for death on such subjective matters.

    Yeah, no problem at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorador View Post
    I don't think the people will rest easy until that poor woman is hanged. Pakistan as a nation is simply not ready to rid itself of the clutches of our primitive values yet.
    On the plus side, at least she's still alive and her voice is being heard. Thank God she wasn't quietly killed off in a far off continent after being tortured in a police cell so no one could tell the story. In the third world that is a wonder in itself. Kudos to Pakistan for allowing this story to flourish and prosper rather than killing it before it could take root.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    What's wrong with killing an innocent woman? Seriously ask yourself that.
    how can u call some one innocent when he has been convicted by courts

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    how can u call some one innocent when he has been convicted by courts
    Blasphemy convictions are meaningless because the usual standards of evidence do not apply. If I go and register a case of blasphemy against you right now, you will be convicted without any evidence. That's how blasphemy cases work. The last time a judge didn't convict someone in a blasphemy case was in 1997 and that judge was promptly killed. Secondly, death penalty is absolutely barbaric for blasphemy. Ideally, it shouldn't be a crime but if we must be backward savages, can we at least be backward savages with some humanity and not kill people for words they've uttered, assuming they've even uttered the words they're accused of saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    how can u call some one innocent when he has been convicted by courts
    So you support executing innocent men/women then? So shouldn't you be praising Amreeka for it instead of condemning it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Blasphemy convictions are meaningless because the usual standards of evidence do not apply. If I go and register a case of blasphemy against you right now, you will be convicted without any evidence. That's how blasphemy cases work. The last time a judge didn't convict someone in a blasphemy case was in 1997 and that judge was promptly killed. Secondly, death penalty is absolutely barbaric for blasphemy. Ideally, it shouldn't be a crime but if we must be backward savages, can we at least be backward savages with some humanity and not kill people for words they've uttered, assuming they've even uttered the words they're accused of saying.
    I go on Twitter and I see younger girls who don't even wear hijab and appear Westernized but continue to tweet for the hanging of Aasiya Bibi. What is wrong with Pakistani society to have such jahil logh prominent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    how can u call some one innocent when he has been convicted by courts
    Yeh because the court gets everything right. And blasphemy shouldn't be a crime at least not a crime that deserves death penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    Yeh because the court gets everything right. And blasphemy shouldn't be a crime at least not a crime that deserves death penalty.
    Quite telling that no one ever accuses ISIS/Da'esh supporters of blasphemy when they do a lot worse than this poor Christian woman could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    Quite telling that no one ever accuses ISIS/Da'esh supporters of blasphemy when they do a lot worse than this poor Christian woman could.
    Go to Pakistan and lobby hard to change the law. This is something which can be done. Saying people who support this law are like ISIS doesn't show much intelligence on your part. lol

    If the vast majority of people in Pakistan want this law, isn't it democary?

    I personally agree with the law but don't agree with how people are prosecuted and the sentence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Blasphemy convictions are meaningless because the usual standards of evidence do not apply. If I go and register a case of blasphemy against you right now, you will be convicted without any evidence. That's how blasphemy cases work. The last time a judge didn't convict someone in a blasphemy case was in 1997 and that judge was promptly killed. Secondly, death penalty is absolutely barbaric for blasphemy. Ideally, it shouldn't be a crime but if we must be backward savages, can we at least be backward savages with some humanity and not kill people for words they've uttered, assuming they've even uttered the words they're accused of saying.

    Your Post is breath of fresh Air. It breaths humanity and human rights. Not just that but it is also 100 % in line with Islam.

    Well done.

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    Such news makes me feel ashamed of my country. 6 years and we are still arguing about killing her. Had she been in any better country, she would have sued the court for delaying justice for so long. And here, we are even ending her only because few mullahs in Lal Masjid desire to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I personally agree with the law but don't agree with how people are prosecuted and the sentence.
    Since this law will never be applied equally, except to reaffirm the supposed sense of superiority among Pakistan's majority Muslims, the law should be abolished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc_to_xyz View Post
    Such news makes me feel ashamed of my country. 6 years and we are still arguing about killing her. Had she been in any better country, she would have sued the court for delaying justice for so long. And here, we are even ending her only because few mullahs in Lal Masjid desire to do that.
    It's not just a "few mullahs in Lal Masjid" wanting her dead.

    A group of influential Pakistani clerics issued a statement Oct. 11, calling for the execution of Christian woman Asia Bibi who was sentenced to death for blasphemy.

    The statement by Sunni Ittehad Council, an umbrella group of Sunni clerics, came just days before Pakistan’s top court in Lahore was scheduled on Oct. 13 to take up Bibi’s final appeal against the death sentence. However, on Oct. 13 one of the three judges hearing Bibi’s appeal withdrew from the bench, leading to the case’s adjournment until Oct. 18.

    The latest demand for Bibi’s execution was backed by 150 clerics in the council.

    “As per Quran and Sunnah, blasphemy is punishable by death only,” the statement said, condemning the government for failing to execute Bibi despite her being convicted six years ago.

    The clerics called on the government to fulfill its religious and constitutional obligation by hanging all convicted blasphemers.

    They also warned the authorities against any attempt to free Bibi and let her flee the country.

    “If any attempt is made to send the blasphemer abroad, millions of faithful Muslims will take to the streets against the government,” the statement said.

    “Any relief to Bibi will be contrary to teachings of the Quran and Sunnah,” it added.

    The Catholic mother of five children was arrested in June 2009 after being accused by her fellow Muslim farm workers of insulting Prophet Muhammad, a charge she strongly denies.

    After her trial, which lasted for one and a half years, Bibi was sentenced to death in November 2010.

    Human rights campaigners say the blasphemy law is often used to settle personal scores or as a way to target religious minorities.
    http://www.eurasiareview.com/1310201...bis-execution/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    Since this law will never be applied equally, except to reaffirm the supposed sense of superiority among Pakistan's majority Muslims, the law should be abolished.
    They are the majority. It's a matter of freedom of speech. You can't criticise Jews or their religion in public otherwise you will be arrested in the UK. So even the UK has a blasphemy law but only to protect Jews.

    It would be dangerous if a person was allowed to spout abuse against Islam in public, protected by the law.


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    This ridiculous blasmpahey law needs to be abolished ASAP.

    It will always be misused in a third world country like Pakistan with so many Jahilis, a corrupt incompetent police force and a kangaroo justice system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    It's not just a "few mullahs in Lal Masjid" wanting her dead.



    http://www.eurasiareview.com/1310201...bis-execution/
    okay, make it bunch of mullahs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    I have read through the articles on this case and it seems the prosecution case rests on allegations and verbal testimony from the women involved. Both sides are giving different versions of what was said in which case I would have thought proving the case would be extremely difficult. You could certainly see how it would be open to abuse if all you have to go on is "he said, she said..."
    Asia bibi is going through the same hell Junaid Jamshed did when he slandered Aisha


    It's s shame really


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Asia bibi is going through the same hell Junaid Jamshed did when he slandered Aisha


    It's s shame really
    Its just that its easier to "go through the same hell" when you're a millionaire clothing "merchant," ex-pop star and celebrity preacher rather than a penniless minority woman. The former gets to escape to a luxurious exile in London, cool their heels for a while, and then return home and carry on as usual, something the latter can't afford. This is despite the former being caught in the act, however inadvertent, on video, while the latter's conviction rests on a vendetta relying on false statements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    They are the majority. It's a matter of freedom of speech. You can't criticise Jews or their religion in public otherwise you will be arrested in the UK. So even the UK has a blasphemy law but only to protect Jews.

    It would be dangerous if a person was allowed to spout abuse against Islam in public, protected by the law.
    Well done, this is exactly how hindutvadis in India argue for the beef ban.

    In some ways, there are many similarities between the right wing even if they are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarmadsl View Post
    Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

    not defending any one but whats wrong in this law? above is exact text posted from PPC
    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    What's wrong with killing an innocent woman? Seriously ask yourself that.
    Quote Originally Posted by dayvancowboy View Post
    And you wonder why people like Trump and the rest of Islamophobes want a ban on Muslim immigration if such viewpoints are popular among your lot.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    A) It enables a high degree of subjectivity.
    B) It asks for death on such subjective matters.

    Yeah, no problem at all.
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    how can u call some one innocent when he has been convicted by courts
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    So you support executing innocent men/women then? So shouldn't you be praising Amreeka for it instead of condemning it?
    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Go to Pakistan and lobby hard to change the law. This is something which can be done. Saying people who support this law are like ISIS doesn't show much intelligence on your part. lol

    If the vast majority of people in Pakistan want this law, isn't it democary?

    I personally agree with the law but don't agree with how people are prosecuted and the sentence.
    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    They are the majority. It's a matter of freedom of speech. You can't criticise Jews or their religion in public otherwise you will be arrested in the UK. So even the UK has a blasphemy law but only to protect Jews.

    It would be dangerous if a person was allowed to spout abuse against Islam in public, protected by the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Asia bibi is going through the same hell Junaid Jamshed did when he slandered Aisha


    It's s shame really

    There is No Worldly Punishment prescribed for Apostasy or Blasphemy in the Religion of Islam. Allah has taken this subject in His own hand where He will decide the fate of the the Apostate or Blasphemer in this world or next world. Allah did not give authority to any human being to Act God on this subject.

    The whole life of He Pbuh is a testimony where He Pbuh was abused, bruised, injured & ridiculed in many different ways before and after gaining power and His Pbuh onl reaction was prayers for Blasphemers and forgiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    There is No Worldly Punishment prescribed for Apostasy or Blasphemy in the Religion of Islam. Allah has taken this subject in His own hand where He will decide the fate of the the Apostate or Blasphemer in this world or next world. Allah did not give authority to any human being to Act God on this subject.

    The whole life of He Pbuh is a testimony where He Pbuh was abused, bruised, injured & ridiculed in many different ways before and after gaining power and His Pbuh onl reaction was prayers for Blasphemers and forgiveness.
    It was and never will be about the Islamic law. It has and always be about the intolerance, racism and linked political agendas of the people, nothing is Islamic in out country, Pakistan is one of the countries that is furthest away from Islam. The people who argue about the blasphemy law are the same ones who drink and take bribes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiza View Post
    It was and never will be about the Islamic law. It has and always be about the intolerance, racism and linked political agendas of the people, nothing is Islamic in out country, Pakistan is one of the countries that is furthest away from Islam. The people who argue about the blasphemy law are the same ones who drink and take bribes.

    There is a sizeable number in Pakistan and in some other countries aswell who believe, argue and preach that there are worldly punishments for Apostasy and Blasphemy as per Islam and Prophet Muhammad Pbuh and Caliphs RA punished people for these offences.


    For them I attached Islamic perspective on Blasphemy Issue with verses of Quran and practices of Holy Prophet Pbuh in his Life.


    I do not consider Pakistan an Islamic State and this State has few Laws which are Anti Islam presented as Islamic. Also the character of Muslims be it be social, moral, ethical, physical or financial of majority Muslims in Pakistan aswell as in many other Muslim Countries is not as per Islamic teachings. Because of this Islam's image has suffered alot Worldwide.


    In Pakistan those who get real worldly education, their minds open up and they can differentiate and understand quite well on subjects like Apostasy, Blasphemy & Murders on the name of Honour while others toe the line of Extremists, Raficals, Fanatics or Terrorists on these subjects because of these people feeded misinformation for decades plus the minds of the audiences not being open enough and Intellects not being mature/developed enough.


    The number of people attending a Murderer plus Terrorist Mumtaz Qadri tells you that this is a sizeable number and it is not just few Maulana's or do called Maulana's. It is a Sizeable Mindset.



    In the Capital of Pakistan there is a very very Modern Private University where many questionable things happen aswell. In that university once a boy out of ignorance read a Naat which was ful of praise of Prophet Muhammad Pbuh of which indeed HE Pbuh is worthy. Many of his teachers and audience appreciated him.


    The Next Day the Boy was called by Director of University. The Director told him that a Group of 15 students came to him and they were pressing the director to join them in lodging 295-c on that Boy since he was from a certain Sect he acted as a Muslim plus press another charge of 1984 ordinance. This would have meant 6 years in prison for reading a Naat for that Boy. The Director had once a friend of that Sect who helped him in his MBA studies so he begged the students not to go to the Police Station as He will ensure that next time the student does not recite Quran or Hamd or Naat.


    The Boy was Senior Most batch student and was the Topper of the Time.



    This is the State of Islamic Republic of Pakistan and its sizeable Youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post


    The number of people attending a Murderer plus Terrorist Mumtaz Qadri tells you that this is a sizeable number and it is not just few Maulana's or do called Maulana's. It is a Sizeable Mindset.



    You cannot imagine the amount of support he has. Living in the Islamabad, which is supposedly the most educated and intellectual area in the country I was expecting some sense from the molvis but I was so wrong. In the juma Khutba following his hanging the molvi begged the people to join the protest against his killings. He went on to call him as "Hazrat" and other words which I have trouble spelling in english. Going on he says that mumtaz qadri had a dream where he was given the tidings of Paradise. Other things were said which I wont be mentioning here because they can be taken out of context and Im in no mood of going to jail as they seemed quite blasphemous to me. All in all I was really disappointed to see the state of the people who should be guiding the muslim population.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiza View Post
    You cannot imagine the amount of support he has. Living in the Islamabad, which is supposedly the most educated and intellectual area in the country I was expecting some sense from the molvis but I was so wrong. In the juma Khutba following his hanging the molvi begged the people to join the protest against his killings. He went on to call him as "Hazrat" and other words which I have trouble spelling in english. Going on he says that mumtaz qadri had a dream where he was given the tidings of Paradise. Other things were said which I wont be mentioning here because they can be taken out of context and Im in no mood of going to jail as they seemed quite blasphemous to me. All in all I was really disappointed to see the state of the people who should be guiding the muslim population.


    Pretold by the best of the best He Pbuh 1500 years ago :



    1. Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr : I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, “Allah will not deprive you of knowledge after he has given it to you, but it will be taken away through the death of the religious learned men with their knowledge. Then there will remain ignorant people who, when consulted, will give verdicts according to their opinions whereby they will mislead others and go astray.”(Sahih al Bukhari, Hadith #7307)


    2. There are more ahadith which state the horrible condition of the scholars. The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw stated that a time would come when Muslims would be totally devoid of guidance. He Pbuh stated :

    ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālibra narrates that the Messenger of Allāhsaw said: “A time will come in the near future when there will be nothing left of the Islam except its name. And there will be nothing left of the Holy Qur’ān except its words. The mosques of that age will apparently be full of people, but will be empty of righteousness. Their ‘Ulamā’ will be the worst creatures under the heaven. Discourse will rise from them and will come right back to them.”(Mishkat Kitabul Ilm)



    3. “There will arise a great turbulence among my people and in their terror they will have recourse to their divines and suddenly they will find them in the guise of apes and swine.”(Kanzul Ummal, Vol. VII, p. 90)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiza View Post
    You cannot imagine the amount of support he has. Living in the Islamabad, which is supposedly the most educated and intellectual area in the country I was expecting some sense from the molvis but I was so wrong. In the juma Khutba following his hanging the molvi begged the people to join the protest against his killings. He went on to call him as "Hazrat" and other words which I have trouble spelling in english. Going on he says that mumtaz qadri had a dream where he was given the tidings of Paradise. Other things were said which I wont be mentioning here because they can be taken out of context and Im in no mood of going to jail as they seemed quite blasphemous to me. All in all I was really disappointed to see the state of the people who should be guiding the muslim population.
    And the worse thing is that you don't want to get into an argument or debate with this crew because it takes just one f these loonies to put a bullet in your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    And the worse thing is that you don't want to get into an argument or debate with this crew because it takes just one f these loonies to put a bullet in your head
    Time for people like yourself to buy some firearms for protection then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    And the worse thing is that you don't want to get into an argument or debate with this crew because it takes just one f these loonies to put a bullet in your head
    A living person is yet to win a religious argument against these narrow minded and extremist bunch.


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    It is a deep-rooted ideological problem. The common, uneducated man in Pakistan still believes that the blasphemy law is valid.

    Pakistan will fail as a nation if it fails to give justice to this soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It is a deep-rooted ideological problem. The common, uneducated man in Pakistan still believes that the blasphemy law is valid.

    Pakistan will fail as a nation if it fails to give justice to this soul.
    Sorry but if you consider this failing as a nation then we have failed multiple times. This poor woman is still alive because of what Mumtaz Qadri did, had he not killed Salman taseer Asia would have been dead by now. Besides that she is one of the lucky one who had the opportunity to see the courtroom, many werent given the chance since they were burned or killed in the streets.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiza View Post
    Sorry but if you consider this failing as a nation then we have failed multiple times. This poor woman is still alive because of what Mumtaz Qadri did, had he not killed Salman taseer Asia would have been dead by now. Besides that she is one of the lucky one who had the opportunity to see the courtroom, many werent given the chance since they were burned or killed in the streets.
    What Mumtaz Qadri did was wrong too, so we cannot make connections on those lines.

    Yes Pakistan has failed multiple times, but the capital punishment that Mumtaz Qadri got was a national triumph and a step in the right direction, which will be undone if Asia is not given justice.

    I agree that many such incidents happen and no one hears about them, but at least those that make the headlines should be given justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    What Mumtaz Qadri did was wrong too, so we cannot make connections on those lines.

    Yes Pakistan has failed multiple times, but the capital punishment that Mumtaz Qadri got was a national triumph and a step in the right direction, which will be undone if Asia is not given justice.
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    I disagree. The killing of Salman taseer gave this news the importance and now the government has to take a stand against this. Had Salman taseer not been killed Asia would be dead by now without a shred of doubt.

    Capital punishment of the extremist was one of the best things to happen in recent times.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moiza View Post
    I disagree. The killing of Salman taseer gave this news the importance and now the government has to take a stand against this. Had Salman taseer not been killed Asia would be dead by now without a shred of doubt.

    Capital punishment of the extremist was one of the best things to happen in recent times.
    Let's just say that she would have been dead if Salman Taseer would not have been assassinated, which although I feel is a bit contradictory because he was not the kind of person to back down from something that he believed in strongly. Something had to give eventually, and his assassination was inevitable. If not his guard, someone else would have pulled the trigger.

    In Pakistan, if you publicly condemn blasphemy law, chances are low that you will survive the wrath of the extreme-right wing.

    Nonetheless, the grounds on which he was assassinated were dreadfully wrong, regardless of whose life it saved. I find it uncomfortable to draw positives out of his murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Let's just say that she would have been dead if Salman Taseer would not have been assassinated, which although I feel is a bit contradictory because he was not the kind of person to back down from something that he believed in strongly. Something had to give eventually, and his assassination was inevitable. If not his guard, someone else would have pulled the trigger.

    In Pakistan, if you publicly condemn blasphemy law, chances are low that you will survive the wrath of the extreme-right wing.

    Nonetheless, the grounds on which he was assassinated were dreadfully wrong, regardless of whose life it saved. I find it uncomfortable to draw positives out of his murder.
    The right wing is very skilled in pulling things out of context, I wonder how many of them would be alive if everyone started doing what they do. Speaking on religious matters is very dangerous because of these people, you never know when something you say online or in real life will be pulled out of context and get you killed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Not sure where you (or Kashif) grabbed that image from, PTI hasn't organised any protest against Asia bibi. This looks most probably from a different protest (maybe Danish cartoons??)

    As for Imran Khan's stance, here is the link where you can find his stance on blasphemy law and in particular Asia bibi case


    PolicyMatter: Imran Khan on Asia Bibi Case... by RobDonovan

    Sadly it doesn't support your mantra of Imran taking us back to Zia era. It's amazing that you don't have similar views about that Ameer ul Momineen Nawaz Sharif who always wanted to complete Zia's mission and called him daddy.

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