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24th March 2017, 21:17 #321
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24th March 2017, 21:24 #322
You are few years younger than me so you don't know the addiction and the pull of watching trundling Asif do the magic he used to do.
He showed only a trailer of it in last QEA trophy final when he had come off a kniggle 6 days ago only and than got that poor stomach bug during match.
This Bashir isn't even close to Asif in any way. I know for Asif it's almost over but I wanted to see his performance in QEA grade 2.
Anyhow did you see Rabbani bat and bowl in Emirates Cup ? If Yes how did he shape up ?
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21st April 2017, 15:30 #323
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If Abbas continues to play, Asif won't be back!
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21st April 2017, 15:33 #324
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21st April 2017, 15:35 #325
too old to be back now
We have Asif Mk.II in the making; Abbas!
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21st April 2017, 16:13 #326
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21st April 2017, 16:19 #327
What does age have anything to do with with this? He doesn't merit a spot in the side and even if he did, Pakistan cannot afford to play fixers anymore. Especially after the PSL spot fixing saga.
Anyway, going by your typing skills, I should be asking you if you're under 12. So, lets stop getting personal and stick to giving our insight on the matter.
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21st April 2017, 16:29 #328
even if we set aside the spot fixing saga for a moment, Asif is almost 35, injury prone, haven't done anything extraordinary in first class recently. So he doesn't deserve to be selected.
People are stuck in the past when Asif was world class and their favoritism clouds their judgment.
#InziOut
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21st April 2017, 16:34 #329
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21st April 2017, 16:37 #330
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21st April 2017, 16:39 #331
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21st April 2017, 16:48 #332
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21st April 2017, 19:11 #334
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No.
I fully understand that Asif "was" a one a generation talent but due to PSLfixing his chances for a come back have taken a back seat. Abbas can be worked with because he has good seam position and can bowl good tidy lines.
This discouarges the come back for Asif due to PSL (fixing scandal) and Asif being older. I never claimed that we have found a replacement for Asif (that's foolish)
You may disagree with the analysis and that's fine.
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21st April 2017, 19:13 #335
Perhaps the PCB should have taken a gamble and selected him for the Eng/NZ/Aus tours. But they didn't. And now it's probably too late. He's too old.
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21st April 2017, 22:49 #336
I respect your opinion.
Actually Asif was never competing with Abass.
I agree that with PSL saga Asif's career might be over. As a fan I hope not. But it's almost over.
Wahab and Rahat are having average time as Test Pacers since last two years while Imran has only played 2-3 tests in last 1 year due to injury and his scores in fitness tests have always been very average so although overall he has been better than Wahab and Rahat but Mickey doesn't like him due to him being less pacy and let fit.
This meant giving chances to new guys. No One deserved more than Abass. Abass had taken 120 odd FC wickets in last two FC seasons so He wasn't having any competition from Asif or anyone else.
Asif was hard done by PCB. He should have done rehabilitation in last 6 months of Ban but dash PCB woke up by ICC tweet. Asif and Butt both should have played 2015-2016 FC seasons. With this Asif should have toured England with both Test and Odi squad.
In last FCC season Asif has bowled 2 of the best 3 FC spells of whole FC season.
He bowled a delivery which I haven't seen in Test Cricket in last 7 years. I am trying to get footage and will post here. That footage was on twitter for few days. He bowled a Peshawar batsman on a relatively flat surface. Pitched on 6th stump and hit on top of leg stump while missing Bat and Pad.
Asif has never ever topped FC season. Never was in top 3 ever either. He also has never experienced a serious injury of knees, shoulders, back or groin. He was never a gym, running or swimming freak yet 7 years later he has exactly the same physique and same weight.
At age 34-35 Asif hasn't even played half the amount of FC matches Walsh, McGrath and Hadlee had played by that time. 60 % less wear and tear.
Hadlee took more than half his test wickets post age 34. He had two career threatening injuries prior to that. Walsh took 200 odd Test wickets post age 34.
McGrath, Hadlee and Walsh averaged same or even better in last 3, 5 and 7 years of their Test Careers. Hadlee played until 39-40.
Test Cricket is never about age or speed. It is about performance. No Test Cricketer has ever scored more Test Centuries than Younis Khan post age 35 (actual 35 age of his)
It is not a sin or inferiority to be a teenager or under 23 guy. We all have gone or go through that phase of life. Adrenaline rush is a thing. A guy has Test debut bowls 5 overs and things are said wrt Asif. What has Asif got to do with it ? Few impressive deliveries or a bowler seaming deliveries also doesn't mean He is Asif or Asif like or next Asif. Teenagers or Young brothers have lesser experience of watching cricket plus they generalise more. For instance they believe that post 35 careers fold while in Test Cricket it is all about winning tests for your country whatever your age is. Harris and Rogers are examples. Harris just got frustrated and retired but prior to injury He was consistently bowling above 90mph. And it isn't about speed in all cases, McGrath in his last 1 year of Test career after having played 170 FC matches was bowling 95 % of his deliveries under 130 kph yet he was still having similar averages and strike rates. So it varies from case to case.
Asif got a strong stomach bug in QEA final. Thanks to PCB's A grade food. Everyone had ruled out the old horse before the final. Yet prior to stomach bug all the batsman were clueless and shocked of what he was doing with the ball. With No Cricket for 6 years Asif has struggled as much as his 9 years younger brother Amir who since his comeback has had niggles and scares all the way. This isn't an old age thing.
Lastly I believe and propose that If a player does Spot fixing while playing International Cricket than he should be banned for 5 years and He should only be eligible to make a comeback to International and league Cricket if and when He pays 50 % of his earned money through International Cricket prior to ban through central contract and match fees. If a player is ready for this than fine and go ahead for both Int and League cricket otherwise No.
While in case of Match fixing straightaway Life Ban should be imposed.
As per 2010 circumstances I was huge Asif and Amir fan but I supported their bans. They deserved it. I never said that they should be banned for lesser years. They got due rewards for their ills. But Asif has been robbed of 2 years of International Cricket since his Ban ended. This is not fair. You can't punish people thrice for same offence. Jail, 5 years Ban, 5 years financial setback for agreeing to Spot fix and carrying it out for a friend for No money was justified punishment but PCB tried to be Angelic since than when as per Rashid fixers have visited PCB.
We might not see magicians like Asif in our entire LIFE.
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21st April 2017, 23:00 #337
Asif is probably the biggest Pakistan Cricket Loss of the last two decades - Guy was an absolute genius !
Him and Zahid could've been one of era defining bowlers for Pakistan but alas- it never came to be.......
As Amir once very famously saiid something along the lines of
'You can find thousands of bowlers like me on the streets of Pakistan but you will not be able to find a single Muhammad Asif even if you tried looking'
Guy had the most amazing control I've seen someone have after Wasim and McGrath
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21st April 2017, 23:35 #338
I would still select Asif over Wahab Riaz, I hope Asif continues to work hard on his fitness and plays FC cricket to give himself a chance. Who knows, maybe he"ll feature in the 2019 WC in England and with two new balls he can be effective. Shoaib Akhar played for pak in the 2011 WC no reason we can't give Asif a chance in the future, just needs to force the selectors hand through his FC performances iA
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21st April 2017, 23:39 #339
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If pakistan can't even win this test series against West indies then who knows it could be a possibility
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22nd April 2017, 01:06 #341
Asif > Rahat + Imran + Abbass + Amir + Wahab
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Almost 2 years have passed since the ICC cleared Mohammad Asif to play international cricket again.
If it hasn't happened yet, it isn't going to.
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22nd April 2017, 05:15 #344
Is there any rule Sir, when you defraud or cheat a company or entity and it refuses to hire you after you return from your sentence, you are being dealt unfairly?
Is there any rule Sir, that you must be hired by the same organization you willingly defrauded because you were crucial to the organization's success once upon a time?
Is there any rule Sir, that if the organization decides that it is not in its best interests to rehire a crook, it is considered being punished extra?
Or perhaps there is a rule that if you are talented and commit a wrong, you should pay the price and then be fast tracked into the team..'.
Since you seem so much angry Sir at the refusal of PCB to induct As if, perhaps you will help me analyze these certain rules.
If such rules do not exist, I hope you realize you are misleading the masses into believing that Asif is continuously being punished when in reality the organization and its fraudulent entity have simply parted terms.
And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....
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22nd April 2017, 07:56 #345
Wrist Test would have confirmed that a person was not a teenager but 20, 21. Would have been banned for 7 years woth 2 years jail sentence because of recovery of marked money.
Special treatment to one wasn't justified.
Equivality was missing. Asif and Butt should have played 2015-2016 Quaid e Azam trophy.
Many players have been repeat offenders. No need to only make one an example that too someone who has been punished.
Let Atta ur Rehman's book get published. All Angels will come down from their high moral horses only targetting one individual.
I don’t want to debate further. Rather than picking 2 lines I would have liked you to see the context. I have always endorsed the punishment.
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22nd April 2017, 08:01 #346
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22nd April 2017, 08:06 #347
He should comeback if he performs in domestic, Pakistan are in serious need of quality bowlers in Test cricket.
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22nd April 2017, 10:20 #350
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I can accept Amir coming back. There are a number of mitigating circumstances for him (age, inexperience, pressure from senior players, instant fame etc) but for both Asif and Butt, those 2 things do not apply. Butt was the captain and instigator while Asif wasn ot only an experienced pro with lots of money in the bank and a recognised, world class name, he was also Pak's premier bowler. On top of all that, Asif has had numerous offenses before that, related to drugs and disciplinary issues.
Someone like those two should not keep getting chances PLUS no matter how good their domestic performances, both men are well past 30. They are not long term prospects for Pakistan. We have a good budding crop of bowlers coming through who should be given the chance to develop, not some 36 year old cheat.
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22nd April 2017, 10:28 #351
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This has to be POTW for me, what I won't do to see Asif in test whites again. If he finds no place in ODI so be it, but tests is where PCB needs him
For those who keep bringing up that he is a repeat offender or ineligible for selection, let PCB come out and say it, till they don't he deserves to showcase his talent and be picked on merit. He is Class!
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22nd April 2017, 10:56 #352
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Batting of Pakistan is so poor that if they have like 4 asifs in there team like he was 7 years ago they would still lose.
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22nd April 2017, 12:49 #353
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Time to move on. It's as though some of you think Asif was one of the greatest bowlers of all time.
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23rd April 2017, 02:18 #354
Take a step back and drink a glass of water.
I am not saying you said they didn't deserve punishment.
Your post is well thought out and I can agree with you to every extent that Pakistan might need Asif and his skills for next 1-2 years.
That part I don't even disagree with.
I only picked out the part I disagreed with, because you conveniently, tried to show that PCB was punishing Asif by not picking him.
I totally disagree.
Once again ....
Is there any RULE THAT IF YOU DON'T PICK A PLAYER YOU ARE PUNISHING HIM ESPECIALLY IF HE HAS CHEATED YOU?
Now try to understand my context.
I agree with everything in your post except these 2 lines.
And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....
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23rd April 2017, 03:11 #355
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If you followed his bowling -live or video, and not a scorecard you too would believe in his ability
It's at this time people bring up a) o he has been away for 6 yrs, he can't be the same and b) we all thought the same about Aamir but look at how he has been since return
The answer to a) has already been given many times in this thread and b) well Aamir had the xfactor in 2010, he wasn't a finished article, but Asif.... Boy was we Phenomenal or what, his stats might not show it but the look on the batsmen typically gave it away, he held one end so tight that wickets came from the other end, no wonder fast bowlers talk about hunting in pairs, and I am sure if Asif was on one end and bowling the way he did back then we would have no concerns about our new fast bowling pairs
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he needs to play just give him a chance at least why not giving him chance he is not selected in domestic i guess due personal grudge but still needs to play
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Why do y'all want him back for? Its time to invest on new and young horses and leave the old/cheating ones behind.
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26th April 2017, 09:49 #359
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Asif still has a future in test team. Especially post Misbah-YK era. Sarfaraz will need a proven elite seam bowler at test level. He can give us 2-3 years of peak performance provided he can sort his fitness out. Don't think any shrewd observer of the game will question his ability. We know who and what Asif is as a bowler. The fact that he showed the same skill before being banned after coming back to FC speaks volumes. Besides as others have mentioned, he doesn't have the wear and tear of an actual 34+ age bowler. And on top of that, the way he bowls, it's not much of an issue.
A bowler of Asif's quality shouldn't need to toil needlessly in multiple FC seasons. In my opinion he should be selected for next series onwards in tests only as that's the way we can maximize his output in the next few years. We have good options for LOIs so he isn't needed at the moment.
But for tests? You can easily plug him in for Wahab and have a legit seam/pace attack.
An attack with Asif, Amir and Yasir is always going to give us a chance to win or compete. So yeah he should be recalled if he's fit.
And if we can include Sadaf Hussain in the test squad, that'll make the competition fun!
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26th April 2017, 10:04 #360
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our batting struggles are mostly in Aus and SA ... We've done well in England generally with the exception of 2010 and in New Zealand with exception being the most recent series. Problem is Pak doesn't play in Aus/SA/Eng/NZ nearly as often as India which also makes it difficult for our players to gain experience.
But for UAE/Sub-continent our batting will usually deliver as they have done in last 6 years under Misbah with a few exceptions. The biggest issue in 2010 was pathetic catching and largely inexperienced batting line up. But despite that Pak was still in position to potentially draw 2-2 with England in the final test on the back of bowling efforts of Asif, Amir, Ajmal and Gul. But the spot fixing saga completely killed the team mentally and it showed in the way that match ended.
I've seen quite a few people on here say that it's not like with Asif and Amir we were winning, no duh cricket is a team game and as a team we weren't clicking. We drew with Australia 1-1, lost to England 3-1, had drawn with Kiwis 1-1, lost to Aussies in Aus 3-0. And the consistent theme leading up to the spot fixing scandal in terms of our defeats was poor catching and batting failures.
Bowlers were doing their part.Last edited by boomboom6; 26th April 2017 at 10:06.
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In the brief time he played in, he was certainly on track to be an ATG bowler. Dismissed pretty much every world class batsman he faced multiple times with KP being his best bunny. At the time of ban was marginally behind Dale Steyn.
Had all the makings of becoming Pak's best pace bowler over Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Akhtar. But alas.
On skill level he's up there with the best of the best who ever played. No question.Last edited by boomboom6; 26th April 2017 at 10:14.
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26th April 2017, 10:23 #362
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Btw, Asif for me is already top 2-3 all time bowler from Pakistan. And I genuinely feel he'd be the best ever to lace it up from Pakistan had he not gotten himself in trouble. The only thing against him is longevity.
I still believe he can end up playing 50 tests and pick up 250 test wickets at a sub 23-25 avg. which would end up making him a Pak great for sure. And if he manages to produce magical spells against top teams, I'd class him as ATG despite not playing 60+ tests.
Please Inzi bring him back for tests !!!!!!!!!!!
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26th April 2017, 12:42 #363
Loved Asif the bowler, and unlike Butt he was ATG material. However he has done to much in his career. Even if he was taking bags of wicket I would not want him back, as tempting as it would be
Unique Player, as Imran said there will be more amirs but no one else like Asif. Sad how it ended before it could properly begin.
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I am not sure about that, but one thing that can help a lot if Pakistan utilize Asif as bowling coach for seamers. I have listened to Asif quite a few time in past, he knows so much about swing and seam bowling, I have never seen anybody else articulate those thoughts and process better than him(and he is not very educated, but he knows his skill). And he was used to keep working on his skills all the time. There was a reason Jimmy Anderson came to Asif to learn seam wobbling.
If we cannot play him, we should use him in coaching capacity, he was bowling genius, if we want to see a a Asif like bowler, he has to help us produce it, enough of Aqiab Javed, he was not even half the bowler Asif was...Problem is all Pakistani greats never really work on local talent. Producing another Asif could be a good challenge given to Asif!! - We just cannot throw away the best new ball bowler ever produced by Pakistan.
Salim Malik was another example, he was one of the best (if not the best) player of spin bowling, specially leg spin Pakistan has ever produced. But we could not use his services, because of shoddy past
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14th June 2017, 03:12 #365
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Can Asif be brought back?
Just look at the # of in-cutters and in-dippers. This guy is magic. Hasan Ali is still a pale shadow to Asif. What will it take to have Asif back?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCApU_BeSv0&t=235s
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14th June 2017, 03:14 #366
Would've been brought back by now to be honest if the PCB intended on it. Don't see it happening now, undoubtedly one of a kind. Don't think we'll be seeing a bowler of his caliber in the next decade.
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14th June 2017, 03:19 #367
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14th June 2017, 03:27 #369
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14th June 2017, 03:29 #370
If Amir can be brought back why not Asif and Butt? All three should play.
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Mohammad Asif needs to be recalled at least for test matches; our bowlers are really struggling in test matches. Workload is totally on yasir in tests.
And I am against Butt's comeback; it was because of his acts we have had ignominious past. Even if we ignore that, but still his mindset has not changed. His comments were outrageous. He was fully backing Umar Akmal, while it was Akmals fault to have not cleared the fitness test.
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14th June 2017, 06:41 #374
Asif is better than Combined Wahab Riaz and Junaid Khan. He should be brought back to have some strength in bowling department. Wahab Riaz and JK are toothless bowlers. Perform once in a while, leak too many runs.
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14th June 2017, 06:53 #375
What more must Mohammad asif do?
Unfix the spot.
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14th June 2017, 06:55 #376
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What more must Mohammad asif do?
Retire.
There seem to be enough young talents that need to be groomed for the future
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no recall for him he is too old ..ahmad bashir, samin gul and bilal shah and few more to be groomed in an year or two..