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    The Asad Shafiq Poultry Farm

    Inspired by @Scrolln's Kieron Pollard Poultry Farm 2013 thread.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ltry-Farm-2013

    4 ducks in last 5 Tests, including 2 pairs.

    Very worrying sign for Pakistan. So far he has proved to be a much inferior number 3 compared to Azhar and with Babar cementing himself as a number 3 in LOIs, he could be breathing on his neck if Shafiq doesn't rack up some big scores in NZ and Australia.

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    very disappointed by him, expected him to do much better. I guess he is better off at 6 till Misbah retires then he can move up to 5.

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    Yeah, needs to go back to his old position. If he's getting roughed up by Holder at Sharjah, then he'll probably struggle big time in Australia.

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    Should go back to 6. And play sharjeel at 3. Sooner or later babar azam should replace him. Way too inconsistent he is and throughout his career.

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    He'll come good. Need to show patience with him. Babar's technique is too loose right now for him to bat at 3. Shafiq needs to take responsibility and perform now.

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    Go back to 6, get Babar in at 3.
    Sorry Shafiq, you haven't been able to prove your worth at #3.


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    Good thread title.Agree with your points.

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    The tag is hilarious.

    Alarming situation for Shafiq, though.

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    Best batsman should bat at no. 3?
    He is nowhere near good forget best...

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    Not good enough for 3.

    Azhar Ali needs to move Back to 3

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    promotion in the top order has not worked for him. He looks like a batsman who will only succeed in the lower order. Should get his old place back as we play an extra batsman in NZ and Aus.

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    Seems to be a very poor starter and very shaky at the beginning of any inns and batting at number 3 he is likely to get knocked over a lot if hes been exposed to the new ball.

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    consistency is a big problem with Shafiq. He plays one good knock and goes missing in the next 3 games. This is becoming a bit of a habit for him now.

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    People must not forget his FC average, we must invest in a batsman at 3, who has a FC average of above 50.

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    If he fails in nz then its time to go back to number 6.


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    Throw him back at 6, its useless though. You've been training him to take the lead post Misbah/Younis, and that wont be happening at #6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Imperfect View Post
    People must not forget his FC average, we must invest in a batsman at 3, who has a FC average of above 50.
    Can continue playing FC then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Seems to be a very poor starter and very shaky at the beginning of any inns and batting at number 3 he is likely to get knocked over a lot if hes been exposed to the new ball.
    Agree. He seems incapable of handling the new ball and also lacks the temperament to handle the pressure of a no.3 batsman, should go back to 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc_to_xyz View Post
    Can continue playing FC then.
    Do you want him dropped from the National team?

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    Pathetic really. Just summerizes the guys career. Cant deliver when he is expected to raise his game at the 5* level of a match.


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    Azhar
    Sami
    Babar
    Younis
    Misbah
    Asad
    Sarfaraz
    Nawaz
    Amir
    Riaz
    Shah


    This team to go forward please


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    Your number 3, 4 and 5 should be potentially ~50 averaging batsmen. Asad Shafiq isn't one of them, and was doing a fine job at 6 (not implying that he has failed at 3 yet).

    Currents

    Younis Khan
    Misbah-ul-Haq

    Potentials

    Fawad Alam
    Haris Sohail
    Saud Shakeel

    Others

    Umar Akmal
    Usman Salahuddin
    Umar Siddiq


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    @The_Odd_One is going go mad soon.

    @Hawkeye will start his rant anytime now.

    @srh will declare Shafiq to get executed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Your number 3, 4 and 5 should be potentially ~50 averaging batsmen. Asad Shafiq isn't one of them, and was doing a fine job at 6 (not implying that he has failed at 3 yet).

    Currents

    Younis Khan
    Misbah-ul-Haq

    Potentials

    Fawad Alam
    Haris Sohail
    Saud Shakeel

    Others

    Umar Akmal
    Usman Salahuddin
    Umar Siddiq
    Err...Babar Azam ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    @The_Odd_One is going go mad soon.

    @Hawkeye will start his rant anytime now.

    @srh will declare Shafiq to get executed.
    And SIF will stay on the fence

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    Babar Azam should play at 3 in every format


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    And SIF will stay on the fence
    Cos Shafiq, Azhar and co don't mean much to me either ways.

    Let's talk about Indian players and some international players and then SIF will come out all guns blazing about his likes and dislikes. :
    Last edited by sensible-indian-fan; 1st November 2016 at 18:23.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahson8 View Post
    Err...Babar Azam ?
    Nopes. At most 45 averaging batsman. I'd keep him in the loop though. Can prove to be a much needed messiah for our ODI team. Not so sure in Tests at the moment. Can replace Shafiq at 6 or Azhar/Sami as opener if need arises.

    The players that I have mentioned have averages close to 50 at some point in their careers. Babar hasn't. He recently inflated his FC average by scoring a double ton. If he has turned over a new leaf, he has to prove it in domestics by averaging 50+ for two consecutive seasons. Not a hard task for someone who according to you has the potential to average 50+ in tests.


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    I wouldn't worry too much, yet. Give him the series against New Zealand and then rejig things for Australia if need be. I was against this move originally but when you decide on something, don't change it up again after a couple of matches.


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    He does not need to move back to 6 but he's not a #3. He'd be better off at 5. The only true #3 in the squad is Babar but we can't play him unless we play 6 batsmen or until Misbah retires.

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    Very funny title.

    Consistency was always a big issue with Asad.Overall he has been not a bad bat at no 6.He should have grabbed the chance of batting at no 3 with both hands.Instead he has given his attention to increase population of his poultry farm! Let's see how he does in Australia and Newzeland and decide in which class he belongs as a batsman.

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    Let's stick with him and see how he does. Remember, it's not like he is averaging 15 at #3.


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    Just because he's not smashing it at 3 doesn't mean he's a career 6. In the post-Misbah, Younis side, Asad can bat at 4 or 5 and fill their roles.


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    He is a nervous starter and does not respond to pressure very well at times. He need to concentrate harder in first 20-30 balls, technically he is well equipped but mental strength is what he needs to work on...He also has weakness with seaming new ball, not all the times but when you club that with pressure situation, it exposes him.

    You cannot win a test if your no 3 has a pair, this is very crucial position, he is on hot seat now, next two series will decide his fate.


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    In school right now.

    Someone tell me his average batting at #3?


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    Well atleast he had good technique while laying those eggs. Perfect textbook execution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by static View Post
    very disappointed by him, expected him to do much better. I guess he is better off at 6 till Misbah retires then he can move up to 5.
    Asad Shafiq is going back to his old failures. Plus Pakistan need their 6th specialist batsman. Mohd Nawaz not producing with bat plus the 5th bowler only comes into play when the opposition is playing a Marathon(which does not happen too often, to sacrifice the Sixth batsman for a 'Bits & Pieces player').

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    Azhar can't move down to 3 anymore..he has to make it work as an opener. Shafiq could play at 4 and Younus at 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
    Yeah, needs to go back to his old position. If he's getting roughed up by Holder at Sharjah, then he'll probably struggle big time in Australia.
    If he goes back to his old position with Sharjeel coming in at 3 we won't be able to play 5 bowlers in Australia and somehow we need to do that, I guess they could go with the 4 bowler strategy something which has worked for them but away from home ideally you play the one specialist spinner, 3 specialist seamers and either a spin bowling A/R or a pace bowling A/R depending on conditions.

    As it stands for AUS, this will be our line up if Shafiq is not played at no.3:

    Sami Aslam
    Azhar Ali
    Sharjeel Khan
    Khan
    Misbah
    Shafiq
    Sarfraz
    Amir
    Sohail
    Yasir
    Riaz

    If Shafiq is played at no.3 and I expect him to because Mickey will back given that he's not played enough games at no.3 and the fact that we need to play an A/R of some kind in AUS this will probably be the line up:

    Sami Aslam
    Azhar Ali
    Shafiq
    Khan
    Misbah
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    Nawaz/Hafeez/Yamin(or another pace bowling A/R but not sure if any have been selected for NZ sadly)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    @The_Odd_One is going go mad soon.

    @Hawkeye will start his rant anytime now.

    @srh will declare Shafiq to get executed.
    Loool what the heck happened today. Another duck?

    Hell of a title @Mamoon lol. Hilarious.

    Sif now you should realize mine haven't been rants. I picked the guy early when these flaws weren't too visible to everyone and people got behind him blindly.

    Give me credit.

    But I don't really dislike him. I'd give him the next two series too to prove he belongs at 3. OR that he's not inconsistent and will play one good knock then go missing the rest of the series.

    Those are valid issues that I point out.

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    First and Second test Line Ups

    1. Sami Aslam
    2. Sharjeel Khan
    3. Azhar Ali
    4. Younis Khan
    5. Misbah
    6. Asad Shafiq
    7. Sarfaraz
    8. Yasir Shah
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    This guy is just not a pressure player at all. But most Pakistani players fall short in this regard

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    No way he can survive at 3 down under. Put him back at 6 and groom Babar at 3. That means we will have to play with 4 bowlers to accommodate both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    If he goes back to his old position with Sharjeel coming in at 3 we won't be able to play 5 bowlers in Australia and somehow we need to do that, I guess they could go with the 4 bowler strategy something which has worked for them but away from home ideally you play the one specialist spinner, 3 specialist seamers and either a spin bowling A/R or a pace bowling A/R depending on conditions.

    As it stands for AUS, this will be our line up if Shafiq is not played at no.3:

    Sami Aslam
    Azhar Ali
    Sharjeel Khan
    Khan
    Misbah
    Shafiq
    Sarfraz
    Amir
    Sohail
    Yasir
    Riaz

    If Shafiq is played at no.3 and I expect him to because Mickey will back given that he's not played enough games at no.3 and the fact that we need to play an A/R of some kind in AUS this will probably be the line up:

    Sami Aslam
    Azhar Ali
    Shafiq
    Khan
    Misbah
    Sarfraz
    Nawaz/Hafeez/Yamin(or another pace bowling A/R but not sure if any have been selected for NZ sadly)
    Amir
    Sohail
    Yasir
    Riaz
    I'm not sure about Sharjeel man, if Shafiq is demoted then I'd play Babar at #3.

    Sami Aslam
    Azhar Ali
    Babar
    Khan
    Misbah
    Shafiq
    Sarfraz

    And if they decide to stick with Asad at #3 and go for the 5th bowling option then hopefully it's a pace bowling AR because I don't expect Nawaz to be that effective in those conditions. Yamin could be a good option but I don't think he's anywhere near a call up at the moment.

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    He's too good to be batting at 6. If not 3 then 4 or 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    He's too good to be batting at 6. If not 3 then 4 or 5
    And he is not good enough to be batting at 3 either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Loool what the heck happened today. Another duck?

    Hell of a title @Mamoon lol. Hilarious.

    Sif now you should realize mine haven't been rants. I picked the guy early when these flaws weren't too visible to everyone and people got behind him blindly.

    Give me credit.

    But I don't really dislike him. I'd give him the next two series too to prove he belongs at 3. OR that he's not inconsistent and will play one good knock then go missing the rest of the series.

    Those are valid issues that I point out.
    Yeah...he does need to improve his impact quotient.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Loool what the heck happened today. Another duck?

    Hell of a title @Mamoon lol. Hilarious.

    Sif now you should realize mine haven't been rants. I picked the guy early when these flaws weren't too visible to everyone and people got behind him blindly.

    Give me credit.

    But I don't really dislike him. I'd give him the next two series too to prove he belongs at 3. OR that he's not inconsistent and will play one good knock then go missing the rest of the series.

    Those are valid issues that I point out.
    Well done, Hawkeye. You the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Well done, Hawkeye. You the man.
    Dripping with sarcasm eh

    What's your take on how this match will proceed tomorrow?


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    He won us lords and Oval Test. Not single handedly but he scored the most crucial runs at lords. (If you re watch the Lords Test and not just highlights you'll see that in that Misbah and Shafiq partnership he is the one who absorbed all the pressure at the start. Not to mention he was highest scorer in the 2nd innings.) And he gave Younis good support and played the second best knock at the Oval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc_to_xyz View Post
    Throw him back at 6, its useless though. You've been training him to take the lead post Misbah/Younis, and that wont be happening at #6.
    it's not a new problem with Shafiq, the inconsistencies have been following him through all his career. He has never looked consistent in any series. I don't think it's about position as well but he has been more successful at 6 but that doesn't mean he scores every innings at 6. It's about time he takes the responsibility of the tags surrounding him and delivers to the expectations people have. If he is gonna miss chances to score on phattas against teams like WI then he sure has some problems. Means we are building false hopes about these players to replace player like YK.

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    Im not too surprised by Asad's form at no. 3

    He is generally fairly inconsistent (hence an average of 43)

    I'd be temped to flip flop Sarfraz and Asad at 3/6, that way we can keep an all-rounder in the team. I think Sarfraz at 3 could be brilliant

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    thread title is really hilarious. If there ever was thread title of the week it should have been this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coy0607 View Post
    Im not too surprised by Asad's form at no. 3

    He is generally fairly inconsistent (hence an average of 43)

    I'd be temped to flip flop Sarfraz and Asad at 3/6, that way we can keep an all-rounder in the team. I think Sarfraz at 3 could be brilliant
    a keeper never bats at 3 in tests, sir. Don't you know the myths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Dripping with sarcasm eh

    What's your take on how this match will proceed tomorrow?
    We could very well lose. But our pride's on the line, maybe I'm hoping but I expect us to just edge a victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    We could very well lose. But our pride's on the line, maybe I'm hoping but I expect us to just edge a victory.
    Right now all we are doing is edge it to the keeper


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    He'll come good. Ache player ki nishani.

    Saeed Anwar started with king's pair as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    He'll come good. Ache player ki nishani.

    Saeed Anwar started with king's pair as well.
    what he needs is your good thread to find his form back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Nopes. At most 45 averaging batsman. I'd keep him in the loop though. Can prove to be a much needed messiah for our ODI team. Not so sure in Tests at the moment. Can replace Shafiq at 6 or Azhar/Sami as opener if need arises.

    The players that I have mentioned have averages close to 50 at some point in their careers. Babar hasn't. He recently inflated his FC average by scoring a double ton. If he has turned over a new leaf, he has to prove it in domestics by averaging 50+ for two consecutive seasons. Not a hard task for someone who according to you has the potential to average 50+ in tests.
    Azhar and Asad were both averaging <40 in FC cricket when they started playing for Pakistan.

    What do you mean, Babar inflated his FC average? How else does he improve it if not by scoring runs? And that double-hundred was in the tournament's final - hardly a meaningless innings. He also hit 300+ runs in the 3 games he played in last season's QeA Trophy.

    If we are going solely by numbers then Kamran Akmal should be in the team. Averaging 80+ this season and 50+ in the 2 previous seasons also.


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    Never really in favour of playing Shafiq at 3.

    He seems to be a good no.5 or 6 batsmen tbh.

    But he is still a good player and Pakistan's 4th best batsmen.

    Shafiq had a good tour of England and isn't an overseas failure by any means.
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    His favourite poster is no way near to be seen. @peterose. Who is quick to bash Haris Sohail at every oppurtunity even in his injury thread. Though i do like asad but his inconsistecy is a real concern. It's been going on for years, every century is followed by few failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Azhar and Asad were both averaging <40 in FC cricket when they started playing for Pakistan.

    What do you mean, Babar inflated his FC average? How else does he improve it if not by scoring runs? And that double-hundred was in the tournament's final - hardly a meaningless innings. He also hit 300+ runs in the 3 games he played in last season's QeA Trophy.

    If we are going solely by numbers then Kamran Akmal should be in the team. Averaging 80+ this season and 50+ in the 2 previous seasons also.
    You have given the examples of Asad and Azhar, yet neither averages ~ 50, which renders your argument useless, but I will still carry on.

    Even Sarfraz and Younis average more (even if by millimeters), and that implies that either the domestic conditions are bowling friendly, which has enabled our batsmen to excel at the international stage, or international batsmen don't pay much attention to domestics, which renders their domestic stats useless compared to international ones.

    If I remember correctly, both Azhar (40.2)1 and Asad (42.6)2 were averaging 40+ when they started, and so is Babar. Yet neither has shown the capability of averaging 50+ because they were not able to do so in the sandbox environment (FC).

    Babar until his 200+ score was averaging around 35+, but now boasts 40+ average, which is respectable, and as you said how else does he improve if not by scoring runs, so your point regarding him is fair enough.

    But the original argument was about middle order bats potentially averaging 50+, and Babar doesn't make that list in my opinion.

    Most of the processed stuff that you consume has been rigorously tested before making it to the market. Tests are backed by results in a sandbox environment, and although unexpected consequences occur quite often, their probability still remains low.

    If pharmaceutical companies started to think like: Ooo, Fawadonol looks ugly whereas Babaromycin looks elegant, let's release Babaromycin, even if Fawadonol provides better results, you wouldn't be reading this post.

    1. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
    2. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    You have given the examples of Asad and Azhar, yet neither averages ~ 50, which renders your argument useless, but I will still carry on.

    Even Sarfraz and Younis average more (even if by millimeters), and that implies that either the domestic conditions are bowling friendly, which has enabled our batsmen to excel at the international stage, or international batsmen don't pay much attention to domestics, which renders their domestic stats useless compared to international ones.

    If I remember correctly, both Azhar (40.2)1 and Asad (42.6)2 were averaging 40+ when they started, and so is Babar. Yet neither has shown the capability of averaging 50+ because they were not able to do so in the sandbox environment (FC).

    Babar until his 200+ score was averaging around 35+, but now boasts 40+ average, which is respectable, and as you said how else does he improve if not by scoring runs, so your point regarding him is fair enough.

    But the original argument was about middle order bats potentially averaging 50+, and Babar doesn't make that list in my opinion.

    Most of the processed stuff that you consume has been rigorously tested before making it to the market. Tests are backed by results in a sandbox environment, and although unexpected consequences occur quite often, their probability still remains low.

    If pharmaceutical companies started to think like: Ooo, Fawadonol looks ugly whereas Babaromycin looks elegant, let's release Babaromycin, even if Fawadonol provides better results, you wouldn't be reading this post.

    1. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
    2. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
    Dont know man, I think Hariscetomol is more effective.

    Can we actually have a whole thread turning cricketer's names into pharmaceutical products? In the case of the Sri Lankans it actually shortens the names.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    Dont know man, I think Hariscetomol is more effective.

    Can we actually have a whole thread turning cricketer's names into pharmaceutical products? In the case of the Sri Lankans it actually shortens the names.
    I'd take Hariscetamol over Fawadonol 9/10 times. The 1 time would be when Hariscetamol is out of stock (injured)


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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    I'd take Hariscetamol over Fawadonol 9/10 times. The 1 time would be when Hariscetamol is out of stock (injured)
    True. Other problem with Fawadonol is that its been tested primarily in the developing markets of Zimbabwe and southern Africa. When taken to more advanced testing facilities it hasnt performed as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    True. Other problem with Fawadonol is that its been tested primarily in the developing markets of Zimbabwe and southern Africa. When taken to more advanced testing facilities it hasnt performed as well.
    A drug is only pulled from the market if it causes significant adverse effects. Fawadonol was not effective in Caucasian populations, but the sample size wasn't big enough to actually pull it from the market. The same was said about Misbahprazole, but it turned out OK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    You have given the examples of Asad and Azhar, yet neither averages ~ 50, which renders your argument useless, but I will still carry on.

    Even Sarfraz and Younis average more (even if by millimeters), and that implies that either the domestic conditions are bowling friendly, which has enabled our batsmen to excel at the international stage, or international batsmen don't pay much attention to domestics, which renders their domestic stats useless compared to international ones.

    If I remember correctly, both Azhar (40.2)1 and Asad (42.6)2 were averaging 40+ when they started, and so is Babar. Yet neither has shown the capability of averaging 50+ because they were not able to do so in the sandbox environment (FC).

    Babar until his 200+ score was averaging around 35+, but now boasts 40+ average, which is respectable, and as you said how else does he improve if not by scoring runs, so your point regarding him is fair enough.

    But the original argument was about middle order bats potentially averaging 50+, and Babar doesn't make that list in my opinion.

    Most of the processed stuff that you consume has been rigorously tested before making it to the market. Tests are backed by results in a sandbox environment, and although unexpected consequences occur quite often, their probability still remains low.

    If pharmaceutical companies started to think like: Ooo, Fawadonol looks ugly whereas Babaromycin looks elegant, let's release Babaromycin, even if Fawadonol provides better results, you wouldn't be reading this post.

    1. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
    2. http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/P...by_Season.html
    I used the examples of Azhar and Asad because of the perception that domestic players must average a certain amount to be picked for international cricket. That is not the case. There are many cases of players being picked after one or two good seasons, or based on their ability; heck, even their performances at U19 level count for something.

    I am following your general argument and I have no problem with Fawad being introduced into the team in future. He would probably be quite handy, specially in UAE. My point was that your rapid dismissal of Babar is strange, simply because he is yet to average a certain amount.

    Babaromycin sounds better than the other one, but let's stick to the cricket for now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    I used the examples of Azhar and Asad because of the perception that domestic players must average a certain amount to be picked for international cricket. That is not the case. There are many cases of players being picked after one or two good seasons, or based on their ability; heck, even their performances at U19 level count for something.

    I am following your general argument and I have no problem with Fawad being introduced into the team in future. He would probably be quite handy, specially in UAE. My point was that your rapid dismissal of Babar is strange, simply because he is yet to average a certain amount.

    Babaromycin sounds better than the other one, but let's stick to the cricket for now.
    Who am I to dismiss Babar? He is an awesome prospect and very unPakistani. I may have sounded dismissive, but that is owing to my rather poor communication skills. I was just saying he was lower down in the pecking order, and at least 2 other batsmen deserved it ahead of him.

    I was also arguing that if you fill your batting order with too many 40 averaging batsmen (which is like averaging 30+ in ODIs), don't fret if you get blown away like a pack of cards quite often, as you did against WI. If we replace Younus Khan with Babar Azam, that will be at least -10 to the potential team average, and collapses like these may happen more then.

    The players I mentioned have sustained 45+ averages for a healthy period of time in domestics, and I consider averages and stats to be of a higher value compared to my faulty visual perception (which btw favors Babar Azam over Fawad).


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    Worrying sign indeed... and like a poster above said, this is just the UAE! NZ and Aus will be tougher. Totally understandable if the management moves him down and puts YK back at 1-down. I personally would like us to stick with him though, even if for just 1 more test.


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    Quote Originally Posted by asfandyar View Post
    Who am I to dismiss Babar? He is an awesome prospect and very unPakistani. I may have sounded dismissive, but that is owing to my rather poor communication skills. I was just saying he was lower down in the pecking order, and at least 2 other batsmen deserved it ahead of him.

    I was also arguing that if you fill your batting order with too many 40 averaging batsmen (which is like averaging 30+ in ODIs), don't fret if you get blown away like a pack of cards quite often, as you did against WI. If we replace Younus Khan with Babar Azam, that will be at least -10 to the potential team average, and collapses like these may happen more then.

    The players I mentioned have sustained 45+ averages for a healthy period of time in domestics, and I consider averages and stats to be of a higher value compared to my faulty visual perception (which btw favors Babar Azam over Fawad).
    Looking at the squad selected for the New Zealand series, I don't think Babar is far down the pecking order.

    Anyone who replaces Younis Khan will be a downgrade, at least in the short term. Highly unlikely that his replacement will come and average 55 from the get-go. Even Younis took a few years to attain that level.

    Fawad has been having a very poor season in the QeA Trophy. That might impact his chances of selection.


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    Needs to improve for the Australia and NZ tour. If he doesn't Babar should go to 3 and Asad should take misbah position when he retires.

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    Lets have some patience. Give him until after the Australia series. He's been scoring runs, just not consistently, give him five more matches and lets see if he can improve on himself.


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    You guys don't even spare the experienced batsmen. No wonder our rookies don't stand a chance.

    At least let him have a proper run at #3 before breathing down his neck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    You guys don't even spare the experienced batsmen. No wonder our rookies don't stand a chance.

    At least let him have a proper run at #3 before breathing down his neck.
    Wow, mashaAllah; excellent post brother! it took 73 posts for us to get to this realisation

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Wow, mashaAllah; excellent post brother! it took 73 posts for us to get to this realisation
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    "Post of the Week" is guaranteed this time.
    I have nominated you

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    I'd still give him the NZ series at #3.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Loool what the heck happened today. Another duck?

    Hell of a title @Mamoon lol. Hilarious.

    Sif now you should realize mine haven't been rants. I picked the guy early when these flaws weren't too visible to everyone and people got behind him blindly.

    Give me credit.

    But I don't really dislike him. I'd give him the next two series too to prove he belongs at 3. OR that he's not inconsistent and will play one good knock then go missing the rest of the series.

    Those are valid issues that I point out.
    Credit where credit is due - yep you got it right.

    I have always maintained Shafiq was inconsistent - even in the UAE but had playes several good knocks when his back was against the wall. Azhar is better IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
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    Lol I nominate this one.

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    Sample size is too small at the moment to judge his performance at #3.

    In his first innings batting at 3; he scored a match winning hundred away from home. Yes he's been a bit lazy in converting his starts at 3 but he has only really failed in this test match. I am sorry but you can't chop and change a batsman's position after a grand total of 2 innings.

    I still maintain that he is the man for the #3 spot and it took Mickey 6 innings to realize this. Hopefully he'll come good in the upcoming assignment down under. We can assess things after the Sydney Test but until that give him confidence and support at his new number.


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