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  1. #161
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    Asad will score great knocks from time to time but doesnt have consistency in his game. He is very much like his hero Moyo pre-2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    Asad will score great knocks from time to time but doesnt have consistency in his game. He is very much like his hero Moyo pre-2006.
    MoYo was far better at any stage of his career. Shafiq is nowhere near him.

    It is difficult to compare him to any batsman of the previous era. At a stretch, one can say that he is a superior version of Asim Kamal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    MoYo was far better at any stage of his career. Shafiq is nowhere near him.

    It is difficult to compare him to any batsman of the previous era. At a stretch, one can say that he is a superior version of Asim Kamal.
    Probably the Kamal comparison is overall fair.

    If Shafiq goes back to the duck or inconsistency track, I'm afraid he'll lose my support again.

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    Brilliant innings. But if anyone thinks this is somehow gonna kickstart and unleash a world class batsman in Asad Shafiq...well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haz95 View Post
    Brilliant innings. But if anyone thinks this is somehow gonna kickstart and unleash a world class batsman in Asad Shafiq...well....
    Do you know many Pakistan world-class batsmen who have scored a hundred in Australia in a Test match?


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    Who has been the most consistent Pakistani batsmen over the last 2 decades? No body!! (mel lastman)

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    Part of the problem is we have too many fans trying to write narratives rather than watch the game. A career is over when it's over. For now, you can only judge in the moment . And I have to say (it's a critique I have been making for the last few days) some of the folks here are just very poor at reading the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Do you know many Pakistan world-class batsmen who have scored a hundred in Australia in a Test match?
    And in South Africa and England

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    Always backed him even before I was on PP. Hopefully the poultry farm is permanently shut now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Do you know many Pakistan world-class batsmen who have scored a hundred in Australia in a Test match?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    And in South Africa and England
    That is what makes his consistent inconsistency frustrating. A poor player is a poor player, but when you score hundreds in Australia, SA and England, you are quite clearly not a poor player and the expectations obviously increase.

    He is one of those players from whom you want to see more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Part of the problem is we have too many fans trying to write narratives rather than watch the game. A career is over when it's over. For now, you can only judge in the moment . And I have to say (it's a critique I have been making for the last few days) some of the folks here are just very poor at reading the game.
    'Living in the moment' is just a tool to ignore and deflect attention from the before-and-after-mediocrity. It is an old tactic beaten to death by Afridi fans with the 'on his day' narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Do you know many Pakistan world-class batsmen who have scored a hundred in Australia in a Test match?
    Well that equates to how many world class batmsen Pakistan has produced in general. I don't like being a debbie downer but Shafiq hardly plays to his 'potential' and if one supported Pakistan, they'd be incredibly frustrated with his lack of authority and consistency because a player scoring 100s vs Starc, Anderson, Steyn, Hazelwood, Broad, Philander, Herath etc in their respective home grounds clearly has a very high ceiling. Shafiq does so and then also delivers 1000 ducks too!

    A world class batsman must be able to average 45+ and Asad Shafiq seems to lack the dominance and willpower to do such a thing and at this current moment he can't even score big 100s on flat tracks- something which mediocre batsmen like Shehzad and Hafeez can do.

    Unless he starts scoring big and consistently, then he can hardly be considered a world class batsman who can rival people of MoYo stature, let alone Miandad level- something which the current Fab 4 of this generation are capable of and is what differentiates them with their Pakistani counterparts.
    Last edited by Haz95; 20th December 2016 at 03:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    'Living in the moment' is just a tool to ignore and deflect attention from the before-and-after-mediocrity. It is an old tactic beaten to death by Afridi fans with the 'on his day' narrative.
    No, I don't think thats the case. A performance is a performance. You judge it for what it does in the moment. Whether this performance indicates something bigger or better or is a fluke is answering a different question, which has nothing to do with what is happening in the moment.

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    He has a definite weakness initially at start of innings if teams exploit it, he falls.

    If he gets set, he can go big.

    Now it remains to be seen if teams can exploit this weakness or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    He has a definite weakness initially at start of innings if teams exploit it, he falls.

    If he gets set, he can go big.

    Now it remains to be seen if teams can exploit this weakness or not.
    If he gets set, the max he can go is a ton, not big. And that's a very well known issue with Shafiq that we all know on this forum.

    He severely lacks big scores like Misbah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    If he gets set, the max he can go is a ton, not big. And that's a very well known issue with Shafiq that we all know on this forum.

    He severely lacks big scores like Misbah.
    A better example would be Younis.

    Misbah for all his big scores doesn't have a double century even.


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    If he gets set, the max he can go is a ton, not big. And that's a very well known issue with Shafiq that we all know on this forum.

    He severely lacks big scores like Misbah.
    I think there is a criticism to be made for his consistency. Like his idol Moyo (comparison is for style, not output of runs), he is lazy at the start. Very vulnerable in the beginning. But Batting at number six is not a recipe for big runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    A better example would be Younis.

    Misbah for all his big scores doesn't have a double century even.
    What is the highest score of a number six batsman and how often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    A better example would be Younis.

    Misbah for all his big scores doesn't have a double century even.
    What?

    Younis is famous for big tons! Shafiq is the opposite, you said if he gets set he goes big. That's actually the opposite of reality.

    Misbah also doesn't hit daddy tons but makes up for it elsewhere in consistency. So, in terms of 'going big', Shafiq is not similar to Younis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    What?

    Younis is famous for big tons! Shafiq is the opposite, you said if he gets set he goes big. That's actually the opposite of reality.

    Misbah also doesn't hit daddy tons but makes up for it elsewhere in consistency. So, in terms of 'going big', Shafiq is not similar to Younis.
    He meant that Younis Khan would have been a better example unlike Misbah who actually doesn't have many big scores comparable to Younis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He meant that Younis Khan would have been a better example unlike Misbah who actually doesn't have many big scores comparable to Younis
    Yeah, so where did I put Misbah as an example for big scores? I said he's similar to Misbah in terms of not hitting big scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Yeah, so where did I put Misbah as an example for big scores? I said he's similar to Misbah in terms of not hitting big scores.
    Lol you're right. I misread

    Though then again younis does have this habit as well where he doesn't score every innings consistently.

    Especially in last few years (barring Aus UAE series) he has been inconsistent but when he scores he scores daddy hundreds and wins the game for certain unlike Shafiq.

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    Out of the top 6 batsmen of pakistan shafiq score a ton and pakistan loses. Everyone blame Shafiq for scoring the run but not winning the game
    Last edited by Haroon786; 21st December 2016 at 02:51.

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    One more...

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    how manys is that in total now then?

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    Another duck today. Poultry farm back in business?

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    I wonder if there is a babar Azam poultry farm thread.

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    If your expecting him to be consistent your going to be disappointed. He's 32 now, he won't change too much.

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    He's scored his 80 for the series. The next one is due in the last test of the nz series

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    Continues.

    Even today.

    When is he doing to be dropped?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deems View Post
    He's scored his 80 for the series. The next one is due in the last test of the nz series
    Incredible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Continues.

    Even today.

    When is he doing to be dropped?!
    Some people still harp on about his 'potential',despite the fact he is 32 and the fact he has played nearly 70 games.

    He has one good knock every series and is below average the rest of the time.

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    Asad's karobaar continues to flow Masha'Allah.


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    Thankfully He is of the mark which is the biggest challenge he faces these days.


    Asad now rise to the ocassion please.

    Atleast a fifty is required from him here.


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    Not a good day for the farm. Shafiq looks very shaky so far this innings.

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    His business has been doing well ever since.

    What a waste this guy. Failure in ODI's and now costing Pak in Tests.


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    12 ducks and plethora of low scoring dismissals. His average will only go down from here. Fawad would have been a better option.

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    Has shown no heart whatsoever. His name means "lion," but he plays with the attitude of a pigeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Has shown no heart whatsoever. His name means "lion," but he plays with the attitude of a pigeon.
    Even pigeons are braver than Shafiq.

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    Theres more chances of Asad Shafiq dropping himself from the XI than the selectors dropping him.

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    MashaAllah another Egg laid by asad

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    This guy is even worse than MSD.

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    Keep on going asad.

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    Ando ki dukan ye kholega

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    Quote Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast View Post
    There’s more chances of Asad Shafiq dropping himself from the XI than the selectors dropping him.
    Our players are not that honest. They want to play even with walking stick. Performance doesn't matter after all

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    Does he have the most number of ducks in Tests in the last two years?

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    Usman, saad, Saud would have done much better then these 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Does he have the most number of ducks in Tests in the last two years?
    Would be surprised if he doesn't.

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    Can have as many ducks as he wants, performance doesn't matter after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Usman, saad, Saud would have done much better then these 2.
    how so? speak with logic.

    asad and azhar are experienced batsmen that you cannot drop just like that.

    To drop a batsmen of their caliber, you give them 2 series if they are not performing. Because they have performed well in the past.

    ANd to say that some guy who has not even played test cricket to be better then them is just illogical.

    In test Cricket, Azhar ALi is still the best Pakistani batsmen, while Asad SHafiq comes second.

    Please do bother to look at the rankings, they take into account the performances and give ranking points on those comparisons


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    Time for both Shafiq and Azhar to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Does he have the most number of ducks in Tests in the last two years?


    Last 3 years.


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    As expected!

    Now if i was a betting man i would bet on the fact that he would score a useless 50 odd in the 2nd innings and Pakistan would still loose by a big margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    As expected!

    Now if i was a betting man i would bet on the fact that he would score a useless 50 odd in the 2nd innings and Pakistan would still loose by a big margin.
    Wouldnt that be classic shafiq? Making a 50 or 100 in a losing cause. That defines him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    how so? speak with logic.

    asad and azhar are experienced batsmen that you cannot drop just like that.

    To drop a batsmen of their caliber, you give them 2 series if they are not performing. Because they have performed well in the past.
    Caliber? What caliber is that?

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    Another brilliant duck, always fails under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    how so? speak with logic.

    asad and azhar are experienced batsmen that you cannot drop just like that.

    To drop a batsmen of their caliber, you give them 2 series if they are not performing. Because they have performed well in the past.

    ANd to say that some guy who has not even played test cricket to be better then them is just illogical.

    In test Cricket, Azhar ALi is still the best Pakistani batsmen, while Asad SHafiq comes second.

    Please do bother to look at the rankings, they take into account the performances and give ranking points on those comparisons
    So you are saying Azhar is our best batsman and Shafiq is 2nd best and we need to continue with them for another 4-5 years.

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    Too inconsistent. Must go.

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    Sarfraz batting like he did when he didn't have the burden of captaincy. Babar batting like a senior pro.

    Shafiq batting like a debutant.
    Last edited by Markhor; 12th January 2019 at 16:39.

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    Duck master.

    But no, he's our VC and the best buddy of Sarfraz. Both will NOT be dropped.

    This mafia is too strong. Media backed.

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    Typical, spot is secure, now back to normal

    Expect three more games of this


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    Duck Shafiq.

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    The legend of Asad Shafiq continues.

    God even Misbah and Younus in their 40's would have done better than Asad and Azhar.

    I feel the wrong guys retired.


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    Jeez Another duck His position im afraid is untenable now


    If pakistan cricket is to move forward they need to stop going back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Jeez Another duck His position im afraid is untenable now
    He will be saved by the fact that there are no tests left.

    Also they will need the supreme seniors for the tour of Australia in 10 months time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    The legend of Asad Shafiq continues.

    God even Misbah and Younus in their 40's would have done better than Asad and Azhar.

    I feel the wrong guys retired.
    Taking his name in the same line as those two legends is a blasphemy.

    This match was still alive, so this joke obviously couldn't score.

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    They sent in Mohammad Abbas with almost 6 overs to go last night to protect him and he couldnt last one short ball!


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    Those criticising Sarfraz as being the least meritorious member of your Test XI should just look at this guy's record. Extremely mediocre cricketer.


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    He has accumulated enough ducks to run a highly profitable poultry farm for the rest of his life. Please retire and focus on your poultry business, Asad!

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    I don't know how a new guy would have done worse than him in the last two years?


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    12 ducks now, 9 in the last 3 years

    and this is a middle order batter....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    So you are saying Azhar is our best batsman and Shafiq is 2nd best and we need to continue with them for another 4-5 years.
    Based on the rankings yes. Rankings exist for a reason.

    Thus, for such batsmen, who are at top, i would give them 2-3 series befor dropping them

    A new player probably 2 series, but a teted player who we know could perform should get atleast 3 series before getting the boot.

    You remove Azhar and Asad, bring in new guys. There is no confirmation whether they will fail or perform at the level of Babar Azam. Its a 50-50. THe whole game plan changes. You dont know their style or anything.

    You dont just remove 2 players suddenly, selection is not done like that. Many ppers here try to act like experts, but dont do logical thinking.

    Our whole freaking lineup is of new batsmen. SHan, Imam haven't proven themselves yet. Babar Azam has started to finally perform in test during this season.

    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.

    Azhar is a high caliber batsmen, deserves another series to prove himself. If he sucks in the next series, then yes the disucssion for dropping him could start.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.
    One series?

    They're averaging 31 apiece over the last two years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Based on the rankings yes. Rankings exist for a reason.

    Thus, for such batsmen, who are at top, i would give them 2-3 series befor dropping them

    A new player probably 2 series, but a teted player who we know could perform should get atleast 3 series before getting the boot.

    You remove Azhar and Asad, bring in new guys. There is no confirmation whether they will fail or perform at the level of Babar Azam. Its a 50-50. THe whole game plan changes. You dont know their style or anything.

    You dont just remove 2 players suddenly, selection is not done like that. Many ppers here try to act like experts, but dont do logical thinking.

    Our whole freaking lineup is of new batsmen. SHan, Imam haven't proven themselves yet. Babar Azam has started to finally perform in test during this season.

    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.

    Azhar is a high caliber batsmen, deserves another series to prove himself. If he sucks in the next series, then yes the disucssion for dropping him could start.
    Come on now Major.

    12 ducks and 9 in the last few years, been failing for about 1+ year at least now.

    it's not 1 bad series. I'm not sure if you were living under a rock.

    Dropping Shafiq, Sarfraz, maybe Azhar too is the best thing we can do now. A new batsman cannot do any worse, even if he tried.

    At worst he'll be the same and average in 20s. But it's best if we bring in someone now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    how so? speak with logic.

    asad and azhar are experienced batsmen that you cannot drop just like that.

    To drop a batsmen of their caliber, you give them 2 series if they are not performing. Because they have performed well in the past.

    ANd to say that some guy who has not even played test cricket to be better then them is just illogical.

    In test Cricket, Azhar ALi is still the best Pakistani batsmen, while Asad SHafiq comes second.

    Please do bother to look at the rankings, they take into account the performances and give ranking points on those comparisons
    Selectors shouldn't drop Azhar right now

    What exactly has Asad achieved in last 8 years? He averages 38+ after playing 60% in Asia. He has been the worst investment, never saw a rise in his career.

    Saad, and Usman average around 47 in FC whereas Shafiq has a FC average of 41. His FC average reflects his limitation. Can't believe that fans still defend him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Based on the rankings yes. Rankings exist for a reason.

    Thus, for such batsmen, who are at top, i would give them 2-3 series befor dropping them

    A new player probably 2 series, but a teted player who we know could perform should get atleast 3 series before getting the boot.

    You remove Azhar and Asad, bring in new guys. There is no confirmation whether they will fail or perform at the level of Babar Azam. Its a 50-50. THe whole game plan changes. You dont know their style or anything.

    You dont just remove 2 players suddenly, selection is not done like that. Many ppers here try to act like experts, but dont do logical thinking.

    Our whole freaking lineup is of new batsmen. SHan, Imam haven't proven themselves yet. Babar Azam has started to finally perform in test during this season.

    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.

    Azhar is a high caliber batsmen, deserves another series to prove himself. If he sucks in the next series, then yes the disucssion for dropping him could start.
    Drop Asad Shafiq first. He is a failed investment.

    Give Azhar another two series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Based on the rankings yes. Rankings exist for a reason.

    Thus, for such batsmen, who are at top, i would give them 2-3 series befor dropping them

    A new player probably 2 series, but a teted player who we know could perform should get atleast 3 series before getting the boot.

    You remove Azhar and Asad, bring in new guys. There is no confirmation whether they will fail or perform at the level of Babar Azam. Its a 50-50. THe whole game plan changes. You dont know their style or anything.

    You dont just remove 2 players suddenly, selection is not done like that. Many ppers here try to act like experts, but dont do logical thinking.

    Our whole freaking lineup is of new batsmen. SHan, Imam haven't proven themselves yet. Babar Azam has started to finally perform in test during this season.

    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.

    Azhar is a high caliber batsmen, deserves another series to prove himself. If he sucks in the next series, then yes the disucssion for dropping him could start.
    but its not based on one series Shafiq has been poor for the last 3 years, he avges in the low 30s in this period with 9 ducks in 3 years

    azhar has had a lousy 2018 and has hardly scored a run this series You cant continue with batsmen who over an extended period have been lousy


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    Azhar and Asad were always mediocre players , this was best they could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Based on the rankings yes. Rankings exist for a reason.

    Thus, for such batsmen, who are at top, i would give them 2-3 series befor dropping them

    A new player probably 2 series, but a teted player who we know could perform should get atleast 3 series before getting the boot.

    You remove Azhar and Asad, bring in new guys. There is no confirmation whether they will fail or perform at the level of Babar Azam. Its a 50-50. THe whole game plan changes. You dont know their style or anything.

    You dont just remove 2 players suddenly, selection is not done like that. Many ppers here try to act like experts, but dont do logical thinking.

    Our whole freaking lineup is of new batsmen. SHan, Imam haven't proven themselves yet. Babar Azam has started to finally perform in test during this season.

    If Pakistan starts removing senior players(who are capable of playing good innings) based on 1 bad series, the team wlll be doomed.

    Azhar is a high caliber batsmen, deserves another series to prove himself. If he sucks in the next series, then yes the disucssion for dropping him could start.
    What is Shafiq's achievement for last 3 series? Just because they played under Misbah does not meanwe have to keep these players for another 5 years.
    So do you agree both Shafiq and Azhar should play in World Cup 2019 as well?


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