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    Quote Originally Posted by spade View Post
    He is halfway there, very good batsman single handedly leading Australia but, Root is slightly better than him in my opinion. Just accentuates the fallacy technique and aesthetics play in cricket.
    Root doesn't have the impact.. can't convert those 50s into 100s or more. Smith might be more condition dependent than Root but he influences end result more often than Root

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    His technique will be exploit once he went over his purple patch but till that he is numero uno and will easily end up as an ATG

    He score's runs everywhere because he doesn't have any weakness, what work on him is the old school batting technique which can't be practiced to perfection but that's somehow a gifted skill which he's mastering

    Still i doubt how long can he carry this,somone like Root who's technically sounds better may have enjoys more longevity

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    Yes, Smith is making good progress towards ATG status. Excellent player.

    On the subject of Joe Root however; his conversion rate (50s to 100s) is lagging behind his counterparts. Kohli is a monster in that regard with Smith not that far behind. Root is nowhere close. Link. This is the only real criticism I have of Root at the moment. To me, that translates as fewer opportunities to take the game away from the opposition. Let's be honest however, it's not everything. Both Amla and Kallis' conversion rate is lower than both Kohli and Smith. Would that make Kohli a better test player than Amla or Kallis? Certainly not in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    His technique will be exploit once he went over his purple patch but till that he is numero uno and will easily end up as an ATG

    He score's runs everywhere because he doesn't have any weakness, what work on him is the old school batting technique which can't be practiced to perfection but that's somehow a gifted skill which he's mastering

    Still i doubt how long can he carry this,somone like Root who's technically sounds better may have enjoys more longevity
    His "purple patch" has been going on since mid 2013 - nearly four years. Way too long and too big a sample size to refer to it in such terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    His technique will be exploit once he went over his purple patch but till that he is numero uno and will easily end up as an ATG

    He score's runs everywhere because he doesn't have any weakness, what work on him is the old school batting technique which can't be practiced to perfection but that's somehow a gifted skill which he's mastering

    Still i doubt how long can he carry this,somone like Root who's technically sounds better may have enjoys more longevity
    Oh come on, purple patch doesn't last this long

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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero10 View Post
    His "purple patch" has been going on since mid 2013 - nearly four years. Way too long and too big a sample size to refer to it in such terms.
    This is one of the greatest peaks something similar to ponting's one but we all witnessed how badly ponting form declined at the end of the carrier,that was steep

    Am not saying that the same would happen to smith but chances are their,ponting was technically far superior though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    This is one of the greatest peaks something similar to ponting's one but we all witnessed how badly ponting form declined at the end of the carrier,that was steep

    Am not saying that the same would happen to smith but chances are their,ponting was technically far superior though
    Smith's peak is better than Ponting's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Smith's peak is better than Ponting's.
    A big no ponting of 2002-06 were something unique,unimaginable

    Those numbers were bradmanesque,i am not sure but may be sanga too had something like that if am not wrong

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    Let me get this straight. Why are posters overrating people from other eras like ponting, Sachin. U compare player to their peers in the same era to get the best judgment. Smith has clearly outperformed all his peers so far, and hence is the best test batsmen of this generation the way it's looking. That automatically puts him as an atg. People downplay bowlers of this generation saying the past ones were SOO MUCH BETTER. Now they are downplaying the best batsmen of this generation. Clearly, the problem is your lack of accurate judgment of players. The talent and quality of BOTH batsmen and bowlers didn't just suddenly downgrade. In fact, cricket has become more popular and more money is being invested in cricket, so the quality should in theory get higher

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    A big no ponting of 2002-06 were something unique,unimaginable

    Those numbers were bradmanesque,i am not sure but may be sanga too had something like that if am not wrong
    I watched ponting in his peak. You are in "back in the golden days" mood. Sanga boosted stats a lot against minnows like Bangla on flat tracks

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    Not only test cricket he is heading for ATG status.

    In odis, he has already played crucial knocks in world cup quarter, semi and final. In quarter final when Watson was dancing from a hostile spell he was the one who played calmly and moved on.

    In tests he is way ahead others as of now. Plays in a much weaker batting line up than India and England.
    Technically he struggles against swing at the start of innings like we saw in Ashes but once settled he can go big.

    Smith is underrated because he doesn't 'look good'. Should end up as an ATG.


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    Yes he is, but still a long way to go.

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    I think he's another good year away from being there.

    He's a run scoring machine, but I don't really want to rate him up there with the other greats because he looks so god damn ugly. He doesn't have the same elegance or class of legends like Sachin, Sanga, Ponting etc. had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Smith's peak is better than Ponting's.
    Ponting was miles better to watch. Smith is probably the best batsmen in the world and a match winner, but I would never pay to watch him. Aussies probably will, but I find it painful to watch him bat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I think he's another good year away from being there.

    He's a run scoring machine, but I don't really want to rate him up there with the other greats because he looks so god damn ugly. He doesn't have the same elegance or class of legends like Sachin, Sanga, Ponting etc. had.
    While his style of batting is unorthodox I dont think its ugly by any means

    In fact I quite enjoy watching him bat and like how he is always positive unlike the others at times


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    While his style of batting is unorthodox I dont think its ugly by any means

    In fact I quite enjoy watching him bat and like how he is always positive unlike the others at times
    He plays like he's batting with a damn shovel...

    I actually use to enjoy watching Ponting bat, even when he was tearing us a new one. Smith on the other hand is eh... I want him to fail because I don't want him to be in the same league as those legends, but he's mastered the art of scoring runs everywhere.
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    The thought of Smith surpassing Sachin, Tendulkar and Lara frightens me....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Smith's peak is better than Ponting's.
    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    A big no ponting of 2002-06 were something unique,unimaginable

    Those numbers were bradmanesque,i am not sure but may be sanga too had something like that if am not wrong
    Lol Ponting averaged 74 from 2002 till 2007/08 in 50-60 tests

    Smith's nowhere near


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    The thought of Smith surpassing Sachin, Ponting and Lara frightens me....
    Ops


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    He is already an ATG. Too good.

    May not be the most elegant player out there but you don't have to be one to be an ATG.

    He's doing all the right things.


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    If he gets to 9k 10k runs with an average of 55+ he will be an ATG.

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    @Aman he wont surpass Ponting and Sachin but i think he could get past Lara. I dont see Smith playing past 35 36 his game is so reliant on his outstanding hand eye co-ordination to cover for his unorthodox technique and once his hand eye goes he will start to struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adil_94 View Post
    @Aman he wont surpass Ponting and Sachin but i think he could get past Lara. I dont see Smith playing past 35 36 his game is so reliant on his outstanding hand eye co-ordination to cover for his unorthodox technique and once his hand eye goes he will start to struggle.
    Bigger issue is most of these Aussies, Saffers or English don't care to play much beyond 35

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    @Slog yeah they know when to call it quits but our players like to carry on to take all they can from the sifarishi gravy train

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol Ponting averaged 74 from 2002 till 2007/08 in 50-60 tests

    Smith's nowhere near
    Smith's averaging 72 over his last 42 tests (since Aug 2013).

    I'd hardly call that "nowhere near" Ponting's run scoring peak.

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    There is a long way to go yet. First off, he still needs a sparkling performance against Pakistan in the UAE, he needs more of a dominance against their old rivals England, he needs to extend his run scoring across countries in general. 5000 runs in the modern game does not make an all time great.

    True greats are forged through adversity, having to come through bad form, injuries, a change in their line ups, bowlers starting to suss them out etc etc. Smith hasn ot yet met such criteria, so to place him among the pantheon of Aussie greats (Waugh, Border, Ponting, Bradman, Chappell) would be rash.

    Edit: oh and just to add, the truly great batsmen have a flourish and style to their game, something Smith will always lack, so he will have to make up for it in other departments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    The thought of Smith surpassing Sachin, Tendulkar and Lara frightens me....
    Why not? It's always nice to see current records get eclipsed by other players. Good for the game over all. Of course he won't surpass those two in terms of batsmanship though.


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    Yes ,top batsman of current era imo. Such a good system Aus must have they churn out top bowlers/bastmen almost every decade.

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    Smith has arguably already surpassed Ponting in one aspect. Ponting toured India and SL about six times, and failed all but once (when Murali wasn't in his prime). Smith already looks much vs spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    There is a long way to go yet. First off, he still needs a sparkling performance against Pakistan in the UAE
    So far, a big performance in the UAE is the ONLY thing he is missing in his test match batting career - and even then, he came pretty close with a 97.

    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    he needs more of a dominance against their old rivals England
    The already has five hundreds against England in 18 matches, a handful of which were played when he was a bowling all-rounder. Matches that Australia won in the most recent Ashes series were off the back of the runs that Steve Smith made.

    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    he needs to extend his run scoring across countries in general. 5000 runs in the modern game does not make an all time great.
    Nobody has suggested that he is already an ATG - this thread is speculating the likelihood of it happening. And at the moment, it looks more than likely that he will end up being an ATG.

    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    True greats are forged through adversity, having to come through bad form, injuries, a change in their line ups, bowlers starting to suss them out etc etc. Smith hasn ot yet met such criteria, so to place him among the pantheon of Aussie greats (Waugh, Border, Ponting, Bradman, Chappell) would be rash.
    Smith came through adversity at the start of his career. He made his debut in July 2010, and played his tenth match in August 2013, over three years later, having been dropped from the team multiple times.

    The Aussie line up has changed massively in the past year or two. Of the batsmen he played alongside in the 2013 Ashes whitewash, only Warner remains. And as for the bowlers, only Starc (although he didn't play in that particular series) and Lyon are first team regulars.

    Bowlers have been trying to figure Smith out for almost four years now. Barring two poor matches in the 3rd and 4th Ashes tests in 2015, nobody has been able to stop his run-scoring. This suggests one of two things:
    - The bowlers are no good.
    - Smith is too good for the bowlers.

    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    Edit: oh and just to add, the truly great batsmen have a flourish and style to their game, something Smith will always lack, so he will have to make up for it in other departments.
    By scoring runs, perhaps? Which is what he has been doing non-stop for the last four years.

    Yes, he can look ungainly a lot of the time, but I personally love the way he clips the ball through the leg side, and his cover drive isn't half bad either.

    Just to add, all the players Smith is being compared to - past (Sachin, Ponting, Lara) and present (Kane, Root and Kohli) - only Smith and Sachin average over 40 in every country they have played in. The rest of the batsmen have at least one gaping hole in their CV when it comes to scoring in all conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    A big no ponting of 2002-06 were something unique,unimaginable

    Those numbers were bradmanesque,i am not sure but may be sanga too had something like that if am not wrong
    Ponting from 8 Mar 2002 to 1 Dec 2006
    Runs- 6004
    Inns- 94
    Avg- 75.05
    100s- 24

    Smith from 30 Oct 2014 to 16 Mar 2017
    Runs- 3664
    Inns- 57
    Avg- 77.95
    100s- 15

    Both are virtually same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Ponting from 8 Mar 2002 to 1 Dec 2006
    Runs- 6004
    Inns- 94
    Avg- 75.05
    100s- 24

    Smith from 30 Oct 2014 to 16 Mar 2017
    Runs- 3664
    Inns- 57
    Avg- 77.95
    100s- 15

    Both are virtually same.
    virtually?there s some diff bw 3.6k runs and 6k runs

    Definitely smith can get those number's but as of now he isn't close

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messiah View Post
    I watched ponting in his peak. You are in "back in the golden days" mood. Sanga boosted stats a lot against minnows like Bangla on flat tracks
    Not hyping the past but me too watched ponting in his peak and i know what kind of player he is in his prime irrespective of stats,smith not yet in that league but definitely he can

    Regarding sanga i didn't checked his stats but for sure he too had an unbelievable peak of 5-6 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Protea Fan View Post
    virtually?there s some diff bw 3.6k runs and 6k runs

    Definitely smith can get those number's but as of now he isn't close
    The peak doesn't matter that much, Smith has been brilliant ever since he became regular in the team. Ponting never averaged above 60 in his career so Smith has been pretty consistent even outside peak. However this is not a comparison thread, Smith has a long way to go. Nobody is taking anything away from Punter, he's an ATG and one of the best captains of all time (top 5 easily)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    The peak doesn't matter that much, Smith has been brilliant ever since he became regular in the team. Ponting never averaged above 60 in his career so Smith has been pretty consistent even outside peak. However this is not a comparison thread, Smith has a long way to go. Nobody is taking anything away from Punter, he's an ATG and one of the best captains of all time (top 5 easily)
    Not true. After 112 matches, Ponting averaged 60.

    Dravid too had similar stats at a comparable stage in his career. Smith is not even halfway there, so let's not be too quick to pass a judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    The peak doesn't matter that much, Smith has been brilliant ever since he became regular in the team. Ponting never averaged above 60 in his career so Smith has been pretty consistent even outside peak. However this is not a comparison thread, Smith has a long way to go. Nobody is taking anything away from Punter, he's an ATG and one of the best captains of all time (top 5 easily)
    Ponting averged 60 or even close to that,he too had unbelievable consistency if you exclude that lean patch in the end phase of his carrier

    Am not here to compare both but smith isn't reached that ponting like peak yet for that he need to do this kinda perfo at least for 1-2 years more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Not true. After 112 matches, Ponting averaged 60.

    Dravid too had similar stats at a comparable stage in his career. Smith is not even halfway there, so let's not be too quick to pass a judgement.
    Actually it's 107. Nobody is saying Smith is better than Ponting, however at this stage Smith is slightly ahead overall. And you're right about Dravid, he too averaged 58+ after 88 matches. Sangakkara is a freak, he averaged 58.94 after 127 matches. Don't think Sanga ever had a decline in form except for last 4 test.

    So yeah, Smith is not exceptional definitely, we have seen our share of freaks recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero10 View Post
    So far, a big performance in the UAE is the ONLY thing he is missing in his test match batting career - and even then, he came pretty close with a 97.

    Even if he got a 100 it wouldn't exactly be big. He has to score match winning runs there and against Pakistan who have hadt he best spinners over the last 8 or so years.

    The already has five hundreds against England in 18 matches, a handful of which were played when he was a bowling all-rounder. Matches that Australia won in the most recent Ashes series were off the back of the runs that Steve Smith made.

    My enduring image of Smiths Australia (cant remember if he was captain then or not) is 2015. getting battered by England by huge margins. Yeah they ended up winning the final test and making the scoreline 3-2 but the yhad two massive, back to back defeats which sealed teh series long before the final test. I think Smith scored a century in one of the winning matches but in the end, they got battered in 3 of the test matches.

    I don't remember Smith making centuries as a bowler.



    Nobody has suggested that he is already an ATG - this thread is speculating the likelihood of it happening. And at the moment, it looks more than likely that he will end up being an ATG.

    Sure but like I said, a long way to go.

    Smith came through adversity at the start of his career. He made his debut in July 2010, and played his tenth match in August 2013, over three years later, having been dropped from the team multiple times.

    It's not called adversity when you're a rubbish leg spin bowler. Of course, it is a sign of exceptional learning ability to transform yourself from a bowler, to a bit part batsman to a number 3/4 batsman. But SMith will still have to come through age, bad form, a time when his reflexes, hands and eyes slow, when his feet slow, when he has to start lobbying against young guns. All the things the likes of Ponting, Tendulkar, Lara, Yousuf and co had to do.

    The Aussie line up has changed massively in the past year or two. Of the batsmen he played alongside in the 2013 Ashes whitewash, only Warner remains. And as for the bowlers, only Starc (although he didn't play in that particular series) and Lyon are first team regulars.

    Bowlers have been trying to figure Smith out for almost four years now. Barring two poor matches in the 3rd and 4th Ashes tests in 2015, nobody has been able to stop his run-scoring. This suggests one of two things:
    - The bowlers are no good.
    - Smith is too good for the bowlers.



    By scoring runs, perhaps? Which is what he has been doing non-stop for the last four years.

    Yes, he can look ungainly a lot of the time, but I personally love the way he clips the ball through the leg side, and his cover drive isn't half bad either.

    Just to add, all the players Smith is being compared to - past (Sachin, Ponting, Lara) and present (Kane, Root and Kohli) - only Smith and Sachin average over 40 in every country they have played in. The rest of the batsmen have at least one gaping hole in their CV when it comes to scoring in all conditions.

    Like I said, this isn't an argument on how good SMith is now but rather on how good Smith can be. He is miles away from being on the level of any of the past greats but he is slowly working his way there. As for his contemporaries, Root is more elegant, Kohli thus far has had the superior career (is older so theres that)...in terms of Kane, Smith is better in almost all facets.

    It's going to be an interesting few years and I'm going to enjoy it. Like I always say, he has an amazing appetite for runs.

    In the above quote

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    Nothing pretty about his batting.

    Not as talented as some Pakistani superstars:

    Steve Smith in Tests from 30 October 2014:
    Runs 3664
    Average 79.65
    Hundreds 14
    Double Hundred 1



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    Have a feeling sooner or later he will fall into slump he won't recover from

    Although ppl have been predicting that for years. Only time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Nothing pretty about his batting.

    Not as talented as some Pakistani superstars:

    Steve Smith in Tests from 30 October 2014:
    Runs 3664
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    Hundreds 14
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    Wow. People here are cherry picking pontings stats. But how abt that. He might not be better than ponting yet, but pretty damn closw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Have a feeling sooner or later he will fall into slump he won't recover from

    Although ppl have been predicting that for years. Only time will tell
    Lets see when the slump arrives. He has been brilliant at shutting down the haters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Lets see when the slump arrives. He has been brilliant at shutting down the haters
    I am not a "hater"

    I am indifferent when it comes to Aussie players..

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    I've written elsewhere my criteria for Test ATG status:

    1. Be one of the five highest scoring middle-order batsmen in history at the time of his career - so currently a minimum of 12,400 runs currently.

    2. Have one of the five highest Test averages (minimum 2000 runs) of middle-order batsmen in history - so minimum of 58.67 currently.

    At this stage, Smith has 5102 runs at an average of 61.46.

    So my conclusion is that he is on track, but he is has only got less than halfway there so far in terms of number of runs scored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    I've written elsewhere my criteria for Test ATG status:

    1. Be one of the five highest scoring middle-order batsmen in history at the time of his career - so currently a minimum of 12,400 runs currently.

    2. Have one of the five highest Test averages (minimum 2000 runs) of middle-order batsmen in history - so minimum of 58.67 currently.

    At this stage, Smith has 5102 runs at an average of 61.46.

    So my conclusion is that he is on track, but he is has only got less than halfway there so far in terms of number of runs scored.
    So Sachin, Ponting and Lara aren't ATGs?..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Root doesn't have the impact.. can't convert those 50s into 100s or more. Smith might be more condition dependent than Root but he influences end result more often than Root
    I think the captaincy will change that. Rooty will become more responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    So Sachin, Ponting and Lara aren't ATGs?..
    I think on the other thread using my formula I came up with, in chronological order:

    Bradman
    Sobers
    Richards
    Tendulkar
    Kallis

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    ATG is an ambiguous term , it means different to different people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    I think on the other thread using my formula I came up with, in chronological order:

    Bradman
    Sobers
    Richards
    Tendulkar
    Kallis
    So there can only be a maximum of 5 ATGs for each playing role? Let's look 100 years into the future (assuming test cricket is still being played then); if 5 players surpass the achievements of those that you have listed above, does that mean that the older players lose their ATG status?

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    Smith is heading to ATG status. The thing I like the most about him is that he takes responsibility and plays impactful innings.

    He's not there yet but if he performs like this for another 2 years with at least 2 more hundreds in Asia than he is an ATG.

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    Steve Smith draw shot compilation: https://my.mixtape.moe/crfmys.mp4

    I've never seen someone play this gutsy shot so frequently.

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    If Smith manages to help Australia avoid defeat tomorrow then it will be stuff of legends


    #MPGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    If Smith manages to help Australia avoid defeat tomorrow then it will be stuff of legends
    I think that's way too much expectation from Smith. Had Warner for once performed outside his comfort zone, Australia had a better chance of drawing this test.

    India is winning it before tea.

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    He will finish as ATG. Mark this post.

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    I think this series has shown Smith is comfortably the best batsman in the world. His only weakness now is the swinging new ball in overcast conditions on greentops in England. In all other situations - rank turners, bouncy wickets, grassy wickets, flat wickets, normal English wickets - Smith is outstanding. Virat appears to be a bit of a flat track bully, the Indian David Warner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I think the captaincy will change that. Rooty will become more responsible.
    You know I was thinking the other day, Kohli and Root are like perfect opposites of each other. Root gets starts and fifties very consistently and virtually never gets out cheaply, but also rarely gets big scores. Kohli often gets out cheaply but if he gets to 50, he usually goes on to get a big hundred or even a double.


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    Lone Warrior.

    Best batsman in the world by some distance.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    No doubt that he's been the best batsman in the world for the past two years and he won't be giving the throne up any time soon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol Ponting averaged 74 from 2002 till 2007/08 in 50-60 tests

    Smith's nowhere near
    must be getting close. averages 60+ overall and looked like a tail ended at the start


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    must be getting close. averages 60+ overall and looked like a tail ended at the start
    Since 5th Ashes test 2013:

    43 matches
    4614 runs
    Avg: 72.09
    100s: 20

    Since Nov 2014

    32 matches
    3699 runs
    Avg: 78.70
    100s: 16

    He's already there.

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    Remarkable ,no one near him right now in tests wonder if he can get to 1000 rating.


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    He will become basically Hashim Amla when eye goes off.. that's what happens to hand eye coordination guys..

    although he should comfortably suppress Amla by the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    He will become basically Hashim Amla when eye goes off.. that's what happens to hand eye coordination guys..

    although he should comfortably suppress Amla by the end
    Till then he would have established himself as an atg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    He will become basically Hashim Amla when eye goes off.. that's what happens to hand eye coordination guys..

    although he should comfortably suppress Amla by the end
    He'll comfortably be an ATG by the time he loses his hand eye coordination


    #MPGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He'll comfortably be an ATG by the time he loses his hand eye coordination
    May be, may be not

    That's the impression all the players going through purple patch give off; the aura of invincibility. Same thing was said of Amla and look where he is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    May be, may be not

    That's the impression all the players going through purple patch give off; the aura of invincibility. Same thing was said of Amla and look where he is now.
    He's only 27 and even if it goes on for 3-4 more years hell have racked up quite a lot. Atm he is comfortably ahead of root, kohli and williamson. 60+ average is no joke

    also Lol you are talking as if Amla is some nobody. guy has 8000 runs at just under 50 average and plays his home matches in SA


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    @CHRIS

    how do you rank the following: Smith, Root, Kohli, Williamson

    (both formats into account ie ODI and Tests with more weightage to tests obv)


    #MPGA

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    Lol Smith will comfertabley surpass Amla

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    Real good batsman. Absolutely the top most on current form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    He's only 27 and even if it goes on for 3-4 more years hell have racked up quite a lot. Atm he is comfortably ahead of root, kohli and williamson. 60+ average is no joke

    also Lol you are talking as if Amla is some nobody. guy has 8000 runs at just under 50 average and plays his home matches in SA
    Amla is a very useful bat but below the threshold required to meet the ATG status.

    Never denied that he is number 1 ATM but some fans are getting ahead of themselves.

    ATG is not a term that should be casually tossed around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    @CHRIS

    how do you rank the following: Smith, Root, Kohli, Williamson

    (both formats into account ie ODI and Tests with more weightage to tests obv)
    Smith > Root >> Kohli > Williamson

    Ranking based on tests only since I haven't really followed/ watched ODI cricket lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delpiero10 View Post
    Since 5th Ashes test 2013:

    43 matches
    4614 runs
    Avg: 72.09
    100s: 20

    Since Nov 2014

    32 matches
    3699 runs
    Avg: 78.70
    100s: 16

    He's already there.
    Wow- just needs to carry on for 3 more years


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    Steve Smith could be on his way to becoming the best Test batsman of all time

    This guy has really impressed, despite his ugly technique, he just seems to be in control almost every time. When he first arrived on to the scene, despite averaging above 45 in FC at that time, he failed as a batsman, but now he has transformed himself amazingly.

    The way he is performing everywhere, along with a career average of above 60, with this rate he could be on his to becoming the best Test batsman of all time.

    P.S: Don Bradman's average is way better, but he didn't play on such spinning tracks of India.

    Have your say?

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    Is he ugly to watch? yeaa he may not be technically correct but i really enjoyed watching him

    He is innovative,their is no corridor of uncertainty for him...the guy is genius and mastering the art

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