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    PCB hopeful despite West Indies snub to play in Pakistan [update#75]

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    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CMC) – The Pakistan Cricket Board confirmed Saturday that they had invited West Indies to play two Twenty20 Internationals next March, as authorities here attempt to end the country’s exile from international cricket.

    PCB executive committee chairman, Najam Sethi, told media here the invitation was in response to one from the West Indies Cricket Board, requesting Pakistan play two T20Is in Florida in late March next year.

    West Indies host England in three One-Day Internationals from February 25 to March 9, and Sethi said they had requested the two-match series to be played following that engagement.

    West Indies faced Pakistan in three Twenty20 Internationals last September.

    “We gave a proposal to WICB that after West Indies’ [series against] England, which will end on March 9, they can come to Pakistan between March 11 to 15,” he said.

    Once the WICB agrees to the tour, Sethi said the PCB would also sanction the two T20Is in Florida at the end of March.

    However, CMC Sports understands the WICB is expected to reject the PCB’s offer, as the Caribbean body remains mindful of the volatile security situation in Pakistan.

    No major Test playing nation has toured Pakistan since 2009 when militants attacked a bus in Lahore carrying the Sri Lanka side, injuring six cricketers and killing six Pakistani policemen.

    Sethi said while he understood there would be reservations by the WICB, he assured the volatile security situation in the country had since improved.

    “We told them (WICB) that the security situation had improved and Pakistan Super League final will also be played in Lahore. In this scenario, there is no reason to refuse a tour to Pakistan,” Sethi contended.

    “If the PSL final is held in Lahore, followed by World T20 champions visit to play T20s in Lahore then this development will open the door of international cricket in Pakistan.”

    Last September and October, West Indies faced Pakistan in a full tour of three T20Is, three ODIs and three Tests, with all games played in the United Arab Emirates.

    The PCB had offered to play the limited overs series in Pakistan, a move turned down by the WICB.


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    So the West Indies invited Pakistan to play two T20's in Florida and the PCB response is play in Pakistan and we will play in Florida. PCB just keep shooting themselves in the foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    So the West Indies invited Pakistan to play two T20's in Florida and the PCB response is play in Pakistan and we will play in Florida. PCB just keep shooting themselves in the foot.
    I think the series in Florida will still take place even if the Pakistan one doesn't


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    I think the series in Florida will still take place even if the Pakistan one doesn't
    Depends what you make of this.

    Once the WICB agrees to the tour, Sethi said the PCB would also sanction the two T20Is in Florida at the end of March.

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    Two inept boards trying to prove who is more inept,


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    Too fast too furious
    Sethi needs to chill out


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    Why is PCB so hell bent on destroying any chances of Pakistan hosting any international cricket. The country isn't safe right now to host a foreign team.


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    That's not even a surprise. No top team would ever try coming Pakistan. Let's not forget when BD snubbed us twice, that's unforgivable. Probably should try invite Zim again.

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    would like it to happen but is two t20s worth it. West Indies to Pakistan is a lot of travelling for two games that won't have a lot of context. If we want to host cricket at least make there more games than just 2, minimum is 4 or 5 or host a country close to Pakistan like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Afghanistan

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    West Indies mull playing T20s in Pakistan

    Even Cricinfo are now reporting that West Indies may tour Pakistan for 2 T20s to be played at Lahore on March 18 and March 19 (Saturday and Sunday). I hope West Indies accept the offer. It's a long flight and everything for just 2 games but PCB may give WI more money to convince them to tour Pakistan. Still a shame though that both matches would be in Lahore. You're still starving the rest of the country of cricket such as Karachi

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    Even Cricinfo are now reporting that West Indies may tour Pakistan for 2 T20s to be played at Lahore on March 18 and March 19 (Saturday and Sunday). I hope West Indies accept the offer. It's a long flight and everything for just 2 games but PCB may give WI more money to convince them to tour Pakistan. Still a shame though that both matches would be in Lahore. You're still starving the rest of the country of cricket such as Karachi
    Probably better not to play in Karachi, too many problems there at the moment....

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    All matches will probably take place in Lahore if they really decide to come. Would be a huge breakthrough, especially if the PSL final also takes place in Lahore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhanNn View Post
    Probably better not to play in Karachi, too many problems there at the moment....


    Cricket was stopped due to lahore incident... Karachi is Far Safer Place for foreigner's than other part's of Pakistan..

    Lahore has more outfit's of ban organization then Karachi..

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    It will be more costly to 'buy' the concerns of the Caribbean players compared to the Zimbabweans, but if anyone can pull it off, it's the duo of Mr. Shahryar and Mr. Sethi. Still, I'm highly skeptical.

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    Pakistan is keeping its fingers crossed over the resumption of international cricket in the country after it was confirmed that a security delegation from the West Indies Cricket Board will be visiting Lahore later this month.

    The West Indies Security Board security delegation’s visit to Pakistan will coincide with the arrival of Giles Clarke in Lahore on January 27 who heads the ICC’s special task force on Pakistan cricket.

    “We have invited the West Indies to play two or three T20 matches before we go and play a similar number of matches against them in Florida in March-April before the full Test series in the Caribbeans,” Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) senior official Najam Sethi said.

    Sethi said that the West Indies wanted Pakistan to play a couple of T20 matches in Florida.

    “We have requested them to consider touring Pakistan before the Florida matches for couple of T20 games and we have also sent our comprehensive security plan to them for deliberation,” he added.


    Sethi said the WICB will now send a delegation later this month to hold talks and access the situation in Pakistan. He said the visit of Clarke was also significant since he would be given detailed briefing on the improving security situation in Pakistan.

    Pakistan demands compensation

    Clarke’s visit has come after Pakistan moved a proposal before the ICC Executive Board late last year in Cape Town asking the international body to compensate them for international teams not touring Pakistan since 2009.

    “We are losing lot of money and the ICC at its last meeting said the task team will review our proposal,” another PCB official said.

    The PCB has also decided to seek some legal resource against the BCCI for refusing to honour the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed between the two boards in 2014 on the sidelines of an ICC meeting in which Pakistan agreed to back the Big Three governance system.

    The official made it clear Pakistan’s support on condition that the Indians would honour the MoU and play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/cricke...2kl2k6YPN.html


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    why putting foreign players lives at risk? I really can't understand this. btw what about the pakistan tour to westindies in april? not happening?


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    I don't understand the pessimism coming from people on here. If anyone of you actually lived in Pakistan, I presume you would know better. The security situation is much better. If they can provide the sort of security they did to Zimbabwe, I don't understand what the problem is? I think its safe to say that with proper security and coordination, Pakistan can pull this off in the blink of an eye.

    With all the negativity I'm seeing, I don't think Cricket would ever come back to Pakistan because there would always be some people complaining about the circumstances not being good enough and Pakistan would forever be denied of International Cricket. I think a successful Zim series, the Davis Cup going smoothly and a dramatic increase in tourism and decrease in terrorism should be enough to advocate Pakistan's case.

    Hat's off to Mr. Shahryar Khan and Mr. Najam Sethi. Remarkable, honestly. The way they have gone about bringing cricket back into Pakistan and how they have constantly and consistently made efforts to convince boards to tour to Paksitan is commendable. True servants of the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    why putting foreign players lives at risk? I really can't understand this. btw what about the pakistan tour to westindies in april? not happening?
    It is happening,mentioned in the article above.The WICB have not released the dates for it though.


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    Tbf to Pakistan, things have changed drastically from 2009. Security situation is worse everywhere in the world, west isn't safe anymore either. So it would be unfair to single out Pakistan and say they are unsafe.

    However what Pakistan can do is, beef up their security and guarantee the kind of security that gives visiting team the comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    Tbf to Pakistan, things have changed drastically from 2009. Security situation is worse everywhere in the world, west isn't safe anymore either. So it would be unfair to single out Pakistan and say they are unsafe.

    However what Pakistan can do is, beef up their security and guarantee the kind of security that gives visiting team the comfort.
    Both Pakistan has changed and the world has changed since 2009. In 2009, there were 2400 civilians killed in terrorist attacks. In 2016, the number was down to 600. So Pakistan today is as safe as it was in 2006, when every team was willing to tour Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Both Pakistan has changed and the world has changed since 2009. In 2009, there were 2400 civilians killed in terrorist attacks. In 2016, the number was down to 600. So Pakistan today is as safe as it was in 2006, when every team was willing to tour Pakistan.
    Very interesting observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Both Pakistan has changed and the world has changed since 2009. In 2009, there were 2400 civilians killed in terrorist attacks. In 2016, the number was down to 600. So Pakistan today is as safe as it was in 2006, when every team was willing to tour Pakistan.
    Its not about proving that Pakistan is safe, its about proving that your secruity is top notch. I think Pakistan always had security issues, iirc Australia refused to tour before 2009 as well but after 2009 the trust in your security was lost.

    So if Pakistan can prove that, and for proving it you obviously need to convince a team for a FULL tour, not just some t20s and ODIs. Only then will it slowly convince other sides to tour you as well.

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    The PCB needs to give them what they want, top 1st class security and service.

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    If the security is good, there is no problem. People going a bit OTT


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    Both Pakistan has changed and the world has changed since 2009. In 2009, there were 2400 civilians killed in terrorist attacks. In 2016, the number was down to 600. So Pakistan today is as safe as it was in 2006, when every team was willing to tour Pakistan.
    Exactly. But consider this. Everything that happens with regards to Pakistan is political mainly because of geopolitics..now what does that have to do with cricket? Well everything. In the 1960''s we were practically ignored in favour of our neighbour. In the 1970''s or late 70''s the west sent teams even when there was rioting in the stadiums. .

    If they can play in Lanka during a civil war they can play I Pakistan ..but will our neighbour let it pass without incident??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    The PCB needs to give them what they want, top 1st class security and service.
    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    If the security is good, there is no problem. People going a bit OTT
    i always wonder about this. how can a country with like the 6th biggest military not provide adequate security for a few cricketers? doesn't add up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    Its not about proving that Pakistan is safe, its about proving that your secruity is top notch. I think Pakistan always had security issues, iirc Australia refused to tour before 2009 as well but after 2009 the trust in your security was lost.

    So if Pakistan can prove that, and for proving it you obviously need to convince a team for a FULL tour, not just some t20s and ODIs. Only then will it slowly convince other sides to tour you as well.
    I think that's correct, Australia IIRC haven't toured Pakistan since the late 90s and even the home series for Pakistan in the early noughties was held in the UAE where they were famously trampled by the ATG Aussies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    i always wonder about this. how can a country with like the 6th biggest military not provide adequate security for a few cricketers? doesn't add up.
    Well in 2009 the punjab govt was dismissed and so was their security plan. Someone knew the timings the route and the fact that the government was gonna change suddenly..

    This time the security agencies are battle hardened and better at sniffing out traitors and terrorists..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    i always wonder about this. how can a country with like the 6th biggest military not provide adequate security for a few cricketers? doesn't add up.
    The government at that time did not take security as seriously. Literally the whole Zardari era was a write off for Pakistan, the government only cared about themselves. Pakistan as a country saw almost no improvement in any area during that time. Things have changed a lot since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Well in 2009 the punjab govt was dismissed and so was their security plan. Someone knew the timings the route and the fact that the government was gonna change suddenly..

    This time the security agencies are battle hardened and better at sniffing out traitors and terrorists..
    that's messed up if it's true.

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    Punjab and Sindh in particular have gone back to pre 2006 levels of violence which is now at normal crime rate for a subcontinent country.

    Even without security a team could tour Lahore or Multan. In Karachi when the Rafi stadium is finished.



    Teams should tour Pakistan, its a huge untapped market. Lots of money to be made.
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    No doubt Pak is becoming safer by the passing day. I am hopeful international Cricket will return later this year if something can be arranged. We will not forgive nor forget how it was taken away from us and who was responsible. We all know who was behind it!


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    Some of the negative comments from our neighbors regarding security situation in Pakistan cannot be appreciated. If you don;t know please don't comment. No Pakistani in his right state of mind would like to invite any foreign team unless its safe and things have changed a lot for better over last 8 years and Pakistan is safe for resumption of cricket. Of course it will take a long time to improve the perception but things have to start at some point and PCB is doing the right thing and its not at all too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    that's messed up if it's true.
    I've lived through those days. Man those were terrible days. To convince a simple Pakistani that talibans are terrorist took more efforts than you would think. in those times army was heavily criticised and said to be on the payroll of the Americans for launching operations against Talibans whom majority of people thought were doing Jihad in Afghanistan. The political leaders struggled to condemn attacks by taking name of TTP organisation scared they will be their next target.

    but time has changed. especially after TTP's attack on Pak army school in Peshawar and a park where majority of kids and women were present.

    It's an ideological shift which is why we see lots of support gone down for terrorists. They were successful because back in the day there was confusion amongst Pakistanis but now things have really changed. The governments are now taking strict measures against terrorism like in Sindh and KPK we see,lots of reforms like sim verification,anti terrorism act 2015 etc.

    I personally know few people in my city who were abducted by security agencies for making sectarian comments on fb. it's good to see things are getting better security wise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    I've lived through those days. Man those were terrible days. To convince a simple Pakistani that talibans are terrorist took more efforts than you would think. in those times army was heavily criticised and said to be on the payroll of the Americans for launching operations against Talibans whom majority of people thought were doing Jihad in Afghanistan. The political leaders struggled to condemn attacks by taking name of TTP organisation scared they will be their next target.

    but time has changed. especially after TTP's attack on Pak army school in Peshawar and a park where majority of kids and women were present.

    It's an ideological shift which is why we see lots of support gone down for terrorists. They were successful because back in the day there was confusion amongst Pakistanis but now things have really changed. The governments are now taking strict measures against terrorism like in Sindh and KPK we see,lots of reforms like sim verification,anti terrorism act 2015 etc.

    I personally know few people in my city who were abducted by security agencies for making sectarian comments on fb. it's good to see things are getting better security wise.
    That's good to hear. Hope it continues to get better. It's high time there was some international cricket in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    The PCB needs to give them what they want, top 1st class security and service.
    They get better than top 1st class security and service, my friend. The security that the Zimbabwean team got was more than the POTUS would've received had he visited Pakistan. I was an eye witness of it.

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    there is no fun, playing all matches in one ground within 3 days time.
    PCB should show some patience, situation is getting better but its still not there yet. even IF WI tour, none of other big teams ll tour, so whats the point in begging ?

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    I don't understand why there isn't a International level Stadium in Islamabad??


    The most safest and developed city in Pak? and also the capital of the country?


    Just ridiculous..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    I've lived through those days. Man those were terrible days. To convince a simple Pakistani that talibans are terrorist took more efforts than you would think. in those times army was heavily criticised and said to be on the payroll of the Americans for launching operations against Talibans whom majority of people thought were doing Jihad in Afghanistan. The political leaders struggled to condemn attacks by taking name of TTP organisation scared they will be their next target.

    but time has changed. especially after TTP's attack on Pak army school in Peshawar and a park where majority of kids and women were present.

    It's an ideological shift which is why we see lots of support gone down for terrorists. They were successful because back in the day there was confusion amongst Pakistanis but now things have really changed. The governments are now taking strict measures against terrorism like in Sindh and KPK we see,lots of reforms like sim verification,anti terrorism act 2015 etc.

    I personally know few people in my city who were abducted by security agencies for making sectarian comments on fb. it's good to see things are getting better security wise.
    yess even sometimes we got confused that what is going on when we were watching people response....a man once in a masjid did announcement and asked for ttp support all of them raised hands except my uncle and me...thanks GOD we were right..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSaad1237 View Post
    I don't understand why there isn't a International level Stadium in Islamabad??


    The most safest and developed city in Pak? and also the capital of the country?


    Just ridiculous..
    I thought they were building a stadium there ?

    Maybe it was another project shelved.

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    It's been 8 long years and PCB has waited long enough and they are now in a position to start inviting foreign teams and there is nothing wrong with that. Sri lanka was a no go area at one point and things improved there too. BD had some problems and things are improving there, similarly things have improved remarkably in Pakistan, particularly in Lahore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    that's messed up if it's true.
    its true. Just look up what happened. The attackers would have needed uptodate information to plan their attack and ensure its success. It was not possible for them to know that the security plan was to be changed or the govt was to be sacked unless someone tipped them off... or (and you may not like my insinuation here so i apologise in advance) only foreign agencies have the capability of knowing such things..or someone within the punjab govt tipped off the terrorists. either way it was shameful..

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    Dominica PM urges restraint

    CARICOM Chairman Dominica Prime Minister Roosevelt Skerrit is urging regional leaders to avoid confrontation in addressing the turbulent state of West Indies cricket.

    Several Caribbean prime ministers have been vocal about the present state of the game in the region with Grenada’s Prime Minister, Dr. Keith Mitchell, St. Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves and Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley calling for reform of the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB).

    Skerrit noted that the reaction of his counterparts on the issue was their passion for the game boiling over and a strong desire to see the West Indies men’s team, in particular be far more competitive.

    The Dominica prime minister said he would like to see the private sector in the region play a greater role in the development of the sport,

    “I believe there has to be more discipline at all levels and a greater commitment from the private sector to cricket and its development,” he said.

    The West Indies team is now ranked eighth in World Tests and One-Day Internationals but is rated fourth in Twenty20 Internationals, having won the World Cup in this format twice in the last five years.

    Meanwhile, the West Indies team is considering a tour of Pakistan for two Twenty20s in March this year, subject to security clearance from the West Indies Players’ Association (WIPA), after receiving a proposal and security plan from the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

    West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) manager of cricket operations, Roland Holder said there is an offer from the PCB to play two TTwenty20 matches in Pakistan, subject to WIPA agreement and security clearance.

    He said the WICB has received a security plan from the PCB which has been forwarded to the Board’s internal security manager.

    Holder said WICB and WIPA are carrying out its own due diligence prior to making a determination as to the security situation since the safety of the players and staff is paramount.

    Once these reports, he said, are received a final decision will be made after the WICB conducts an inspection of the venues.

    Lahore is likely to host West Indies for two Twenty20s on March 18 and 19. The two teams will then move to Lauderhill in Florida for two more Twenty20s.

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    West Indies refuses to tour Pakistan

    LAHORE: Pakistan’s efforts to host the West Indies died for a short two Twenty20 trip failed after the WICB turned down the request, citing players’s refusal over security fears.

    Sources in the WICB said a letter to this effect has already been sent to the PCB. WICB said it will not send any delegation as it would be waste of time and money after players refusal.

    Apparently a tussle between the PCB and FICA (federation of international cricketers association) in the last two days put paid to the efforts.

    “FICA had strongly opposed to the tour but after the PCB rejected their report and called them negative, FICA once again stressed the players not to go to Pakistan,” said sources.

    Independent analysts said PCB doing haste in the matter and although Pakistan is getting better but travel advice of most of the European countries, USA and Australia are still negative.

    Giles Clarke, chairman of Pakistan Task Team, is due to tour Pakistan on January 28 to assess situation in Pakistan.

    It was Giles who famously said in 2013 that international cricket should only return to Pakistan two years after the last bomb blast.

    Pakistan have not hosted any international cricket since terrorists attacks on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore in march 2009.

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    So, more nonsense and lies from Najam Sethi.

    Guy just keeps on spouting more and more rubbish.



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    Not surprised,although I am a bit disappointed.

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    Sane thing to do and not surprising from WICA.


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    Australia, Bangladesh and West Indies are the last 3 countries to invite to Pakistan. WI even scare of fire crackers play by children in Eid or other festivals in Asia. Try to invite other team like Sri Lanka, England, Zimbabwe etc

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    Forget trying to attract Western countries. The outside perception will take a long time to change. Instead countries like Afghanistan and Bangladesh should be invited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    So, more nonsense and lies from Najam Sethi.

    Guy just keeps on spouting more and more rubbish.
    he was going to use this tour as his trophy of reign.


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    The issue is not security, the issue is threat and Law and Order.

    Security is separate thing, and Law and Order is separate.

    If you evaluate the security of Pakistan with Canada, then you will realize, that Pakistan has better security arrangements in place than Canada.

    However at the same time, you also need to look at the fact that Canada doesn't have a major threat 24/7 like Pakistan does. THe reason why that heavy security exists in this country is the likelyhood of an attack taking place, which makes our country unsafe.

    Law and order also have an affect here. What reduces the extent of harmful stuff that people could do on other citizens is Law and Order. When your Law and Order isn't very strict, you allow criminals to get away, then the fear of Law won't exists, thus when fear of Law won't exist people won't follow Order. When order isn't being followed, major incidents could take place.

    Pakistan isn't a safe country. I know many people are saying above that we live here and the security situation is much safe and all, but do our diplomats feel safe? FICA makes a decision after discussing with the diplomatic missions in Islamabad, and when they dont feel safe why send an international team here.

    To bring cricket back to Pakistan you need to get Law and Order right


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    It will be more costly to 'buy' the concerns of the Caribbean players compared to the Zimbabweans, but if anyone can pull it off, it's the duo of Mr. Shahryar and Mr. Sethi. Still, I'm highly skeptical.
    There is no point in pulling this off.

    Remember when the zimbabwe team came to Pakistan and the tag that was being return all around in Pakistan was Cricket returns to Pakistan.

    What happened after that tour? The drought of international cricket made its return back.

    Even if Sheryar and Sethi pull this off, the drought will still exists. It is no help if you have an international tour after every 24 months.

    ANd i dont blame SHeryar or Sethi, its not their fault our country is in this situation.

    When Law and Order improves, only then will cricket make its return.

    Thus, ISI and Army needs to get itself in order.


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    Where does this leave the PSL final?


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    Quote Originally Posted by thelandofthebravepeople View Post
    Where does this leave the PSL final?
    They said the PSL final will be in Lahore even if foreign players decide not to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    The issue is not security, the issue is threat and Law and Order.

    Security is separate thing, and Law and Order is separate.

    If you evaluate the security of Pakistan with Canada, then you will realize, that Pakistan has better security arrangements in place than Canada.

    However at the same time, you also need to look at the fact that Canada doesn't have a major threat 24/7 like Pakistan does. THe reason why that heavy security exists in this country is the likelyhood of an attack taking place, which makes our country unsafe.

    Law and order also have an affect here. What reduces the extent of harmful stuff that people could do on other citizens is Law and Order. When your Law and Order isn't very strict, you allow criminals to get away, then the fear of Law won't exists, thus when fear of Law won't exist people won't follow Order. When order isn't being followed, major incidents could take place.

    Pakistan isn't a safe country. I know many people are saying above that we live here and the security situation is much safe and all, but do our diplomats feel safe? FICA makes a decision after discussing with the diplomatic missions in Islamabad, and when they dont feel safe why send an international team here.

    To bring cricket back to Pakistan you need to get Law and Order right
    If teams can tour Bangladesh or Sri Lanka then they can tour Pakistan.

    The fault lies with Pakistani media and government who are doing nothing in promoting the country. People should be making videos go viral about good things in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    If teams can tour Bangladesh or Sri Lanka then they can tour Pakistan.

    The fault lies with Pakistani media and government who are doing nothing in promoting the country. People should be making videos go viral about good things in Pakistan.
    Like i saw above, law and order not security.

    Law and order situation is different in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    In Pakistan Law is not implemented


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    Its just crazy and stupid, why PCB has to go public with the proposal unless it was accepted by WICB.

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    Don't see the Windies players involved in the PSL playing in the final if there is response to 2 t20 games.

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    FICA will continue being a bane for PCB. The organization is completely out of touch with ground reality based on its comments and reports. The wording it provided suggests the situation in Pakistan is largely unchanged, when in fact the situation in fact is much different from what it was 2-3 years ago. I feel for the PCB to continue receiving pushback from an organization that is so out of touch with reality yet wields so much influence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Like i saw above, law and order not security.

    Law and order situation is different in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

    In Pakistan Law is not implemented
    How is this different from 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    FICA will continue being a bane for PCB. The organization is completely out of touch with ground reality based on its comments and reports. The wording it provided suggests the situation in Pakistan is largely unchanged, when in fact the situation in fact is much different from what it was 2-3 years ago. I feel for the PCB to continue receiving pushback from an organization that is so out of touch with reality yet wields so much influence.



    How is this different from 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago?
    do you even know how FICA operates?

    FICA is in connection with the embassies and other missions that are opened up in Islamabad. These missions have better knowledge of the situation.

    If you think FICA is a group of well suited guys who come to Pakistan roam around and make their final assessment based on that, then you are wrong.
    Its not some lulla organisation which you say is completely out of touch with ground realities.

    20 years ago terrorism wasn't as vivid as it is today. Law and order wasn't a big issue back then. When Law and Order wasn't taken serious terrorism spread.

    A terrorist like Rashid Rauf ran off while being handcuffed and under police custody, this is an example of weak law and order


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    do you even know how FICA operates?

    FICA is in connection with the embassies and other missions that are opened up in Islamabad. These missions have better knowledge of the situation.

    If you think FICA is a group of well suited guys who come to Pakistan roam around and make their final assessment based on that, then you are wrong.
    Its not some lulla organisation which you say is completely out of touch with ground realities.
    FICA said they rely on a third party for their information. They are not in connection with embassies and whatnot. And even the embassies haven't brought themselves up to date with latest information, they are still 2 years behind. The fact of the matter is neither the embassies nor FICA makes any differentiation from the ground reality of today v/s that of 2-3 years ago makes me think they are not even aware anything has changed. The data suggests Pakistan is as safe as it was in 2006, when all teams were willing to tour.

    20 years ago terrorism wasn't as vivid as it is today. Law and order wasn't a big issue back then. When Law and Order wasn't taken serious terrorism spread.

    A terrorist like Rashid Rauf ran off while being handcuffed and under police custody, this is an example of weak law and order
    Of course law and order was an issue back then. Implementation of law was still a problem back then, and still is. Most of these organisations like FICA complain that Pakistan is unable to provide security though, so I think your point about "law and order" is a red herring.

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    This is a problem that all developing countries will face (save for India because of IPL and BCCI). Much hoopla was made about the security situation in Bangladesh, but statistically Bangladesh is far safer than places like France. I doubt any cricket team would be against visiting France. The same standards are not applied across the board. If something happens in developing countries then it's the end of the world, while in developed countries it's treated as an exception to the rule.

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    FICA released its statement today you could google it or read it in cricinfo

    In their statement they themselves have said they rely on embassies

    here is a quote
    The Federation of International Cricketers' Associations (FICA) has insisted its warning to players thinking of playing in the Pakistan Super League final in Lahore is from "highly credible security experts" and "in line with advice from government agencies and diplomatic missions."
    they are not 2 years behind or anything, you cannot say that as they themselves have given a source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    This is a problem that all developing countries will face (save for India because of IPL and BCCI). Much hoopla was made about the security situation in Bangladesh, but statistically Bangladesh is far safer than places like France. I doubt any cricket team would be against visiting France. The same standards are not applied across the board. If something happens in developing countries then it's the end of the world, while in developed countries it's treated as an exception to the rule.
    like i said again, its not about security, its about law and order.

    France law and order is better then other countries.

    Anyone trying to do something stupid will be charged and put on trial. Here that doesn't happen.

    A political party alone could start a civil war in this country anytime


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    The issue is not security, the issue is threat and Law and Order.

    Security is separate thing, and Law and Order is separate.

    If you evaluate the security of Pakistan with Canada, then you will realize, that Pakistan has better security arrangements in place than Canada.

    However at the same time, you also need to look at the fact that Canada doesn't have a major threat 24/7 like Pakistan does. THe reason why that heavy security exists in this country is the likelyhood of an attack taking place, which makes our country unsafe.

    Law and order also have an affect here. What reduces the extent of harmful stuff that people could do on other citizens is Law and Order. When your Law and Order isn't very strict, you allow criminals to get away, then the fear of Law won't exists, thus when fear of Law won't exist people won't follow Order. When order isn't being followed, major incidents could take place.

    Pakistan isn't a safe country. I know many people are saying above that we live here and the security situation is much safe and all, but do our diplomats feel safe? FICA makes a decision after discussing with the diplomatic missions in Islamabad, and when they dont feel safe why send an international team here.

    To bring cricket back to Pakistan you need to get Law and Order right

    Security means Safety. Safety of players can be affected if Law & Order is disrupted. Security is not seperate from Law & Order situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    This is a problem that all developing countries will face (save for India because of IPL and BCCI). Much hoopla was made about the security situation in Bangladesh, but statistically Bangladesh is far safer than places like France. I doubt any cricket team would be against visiting France. The same standards are not applied across the board. If something happens in developing countries then it's the end of the world, while in developed countries it's treated as an exception to the rule.
    Its not about France or Bangladesh, if for some reason there was an incident then the government bodies in the West Indies will need to have people on the ground to advise and protect their players. Its not just having security around the players.

    In a country like France the ability for the government bodies of the West Indies to fly in resources at a moments notice or to direct people to a government embassy. They could immediately direct a medical evacuation from anywhere in France or send in advisers where ever they liked. They could even have their own security team shadow the team.

    Its these type of problems that exist in Pakistan that make other countries nervous about sending their teams.

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    So much effort for 2 meaningless T20's so that he can say that he is bringing cricket back into Pakistan.

    Thankfully common sense from players prevailed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    Security means Safety. Safety of players can be affected if Law & Order is disrupted. Security is not seperate from Law & Order situation.
    What @Major meant, and correct me if I am wrong here, but I think he was referring to the probability of a criminal being caught in Pakistan is extremely low when he commits any sort of crime.

    For example, Allah na Karay, if there is an attempted Murder on someone's life in Pakistan then the problem remains that after the said incident the criminal would never be caught and that is where Law and Order comes in.

    If there is case of people actually fearing the law since there would be consequences of a crime then the Law and Order is said to be functioning otherwise what you get is the current situation in Pakistan.

    A country cannot 100% guarantee that it can prevent any unfortunate occurrence (believe me no country can) but the fact that after these kinds of events there is no consequences is what makes foreigners weary of travelling to Pakistan.

    Functioning Law and Order is what enforces how safe a country is and that is apparently where Pakistan is currently lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    How is this different from 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago?
    Foreign players used to roam free in streets decades back. Do you think it's possible for them to do the same without someone trying to harm them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Foreign players used to roam free in streets decades back. Do you think it's possible for them to do the same without someone trying to harm them?
    That's not the point. The post I quoted said law is not implemented in Pakistan. I asked how was that different since for the last few decades (or really since the inception of Pakistan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    That's not the point. The post I quoted said law is not implemented in Pakistan. I asked how was that different since for the last few decades (or really since the inception of Pakistan).
    My bad, I didn't catch the context.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    FICA released its statement today you could google it or read it in cricinfo

    In their statement they themselves have said they rely on embassies

    here is a quote


    they are not 2 years behind or anything, you cannot say that as they themselves have given a source.
    I know exactly who their source is whom they have quoted as their source, Eastern Star International. These sources as well as embassies have not noticed the change in trend, which is clear from their wordings. 600 people killed in a country of 180m, most of which happen in remote areas where cricket will not be played anyway, is not "unsafe". Yet their wording suggests everything is the same as 2-3 years ago. Their data is out of date and they are out of touch with ground reality.

    I will suggest you read their wording very carefully. The keywords like "continues" and "elevated" suggests they have no idea what's changed in the last 2-3 years.

    With embassies, there is also an element of politics involved. It's not an impartial opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    like i said again, its not about security, its about law and order.

    France law and order is better then other countries.

    Anyone trying to do something stupid will be charged and put on trial. Here that doesn't happen.

    A political party alone could start a civil war in this country anytime


    I will ask again. How is this different from Pakistan of 10 years, 20 years, 30 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Its not about France or Bangladesh, if for some reason there was an incident then the government bodies in the West Indies will need to have people on the ground to advise and protect their players. Its not just having security around the players.

    In a country like France the ability for the government bodies of the West Indies to fly in resources at a moments notice or to direct people to a government embassy. They could immediately direct a medical evacuation from anywhere in France or send in advisers where ever they liked. They could even have their own security team shadow the team.

    Its these type of problems that exist in Pakistan that make other countries nervous about sending their teams.
    This is no different than what has existed in Pakistan since it's inception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan17 View Post
    That's not the point. The post I quoted said law is not implemented in Pakistan. I asked how was that different since for the last few decades (or really since the inception of Pakistan).
    It isn't just about the failure to implement law, it is about what that leads to. Decades ago, Cricketers were not perceived to be a potential target, so despite the security shortcomings, Cricketers were not worried about visiting Pakistan.

    It is not the same now. Cricketers are a high profile target for terrorists today, so the same lawlessness and security shortcomings will not be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    Exactly. But consider this. Everything that happens with regards to Pakistan is political mainly because of geopolitics..now what does that have to do with cricket? Well everything. In the 1960''s we were practically ignored in favour of our neighbour. In the 1970''s or late 70''s the west sent teams even when there was rioting in the stadiums. .

    If they can play in Lanka during a civil war they can play I Pakistan ..but will our neighbour let it pass without incident??
    1. Cricketers weren't directly targeted like they were in Pakistan and in SL they weren't going to be targeted anyway.
    2. SL did a very good job of keeping everything hush and it worked, the 2002 ICC Champions Trophy still went ahead even after the Colombo Airport was attacked and 14 military jets, planes and even few Sri Lankan Airline planes were destroyed a year prior to the the event.
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    PCB hopeful despite West Indies snub to play in Pakistan

    LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) remains hopeful of hosting international cricket soon despite a decision by Cricket West Indies to pass on an offer of a two-game Twenty20 International series in Lahore.

    Pakistan has not hosted a major cricketing nation since 2009 because of terrorist attacks and had hoped the West Indies would have accepted the invitation for the two games in March, in return for the Asian side playing a similar series in Florida, United States later that month, reports CMC.

    However, security concerns of the Caribbean body scuppered any idea of the tour but with former England and Wales Cricket Board Chairman Giles Clarke travelling here later this month, the PCB is hoping this can ease the worries of other cricketing nations.

    "Foreign teams rely a great deal on the travel advisories from their embassies in Pakistan so once that changes and becomes positive only then can we expect to convince teams (to come)," PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan said on Sunday.

    "We are the confirmed hosts of the PSL (Pakistan Super League) final in Lahore, so once it's done it will create an opening plus former England cricket head Giles Clarke is visiting Pakistan from January 28 so he will also assess the situation."

    A Cricket West Indies delegation had been expected to visit later this month to assess the security situation in the country, ahead of the proposed tour in March.

    However, Shaharyar Khan said the Caribbean body had indicated their unwillingness to follow through with the series.

    "The West Indies board have conveyed to us verbally that the 'thing' is off," Khan said. "The West Indies players' union is not willing, so at the moment they have refused."

    The West Indies are set to host Pakistan in a full series from March 31 to May 10, playing three Tests, three One-Day Internationals and two Twenty20 Internationals.

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    Windies players were offered big bucks to play in Pakistan

    West Indies players were offered a one hundred percent increase in their salary to tour Pakistan by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for two T20 international in Lahore, but Cricket West Indies (CWI) decided that player’s safety was of paramount concern.

    The PCB trying to get international cricket back in Pakistan after being banned after the attacks on the Sri Lankan team bus in 2010, had asked Cricket West Indies (CWI) to tour for two games in March.

    However, CWI decided against allowing the team to tour Pakistan because of safety concerns after the Federation of International Cricket Associations (FICA) sent out a release warning players against travelling to the country.
    Guardian Media understands that the players were each being offered US$10,000 for the two matches, which represents an increase of 100 percent on their normal T20 match fee of US$2,500. A source close to the situation told Guardian Media that, “The players were being offered US$10,000 to tour for just the two games but at this time the security situation has to be taken very seriously into consideration.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    Windies players were offered big bucks to play in Pakistan

    West Indies players were offered a one hundred percent increase in their salary to tour Pakistan by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for two T20 international in Lahore, but Cricket West Indies (CWI) decided that player’s safety was of paramount concern.

    The PCB trying to get international cricket back in Pakistan after being banned after the attacks on the Sri Lankan team bus in 2010, had asked Cricket West Indies (CWI) to tour for two games in March.

    However, CWI decided against allowing the team to tour Pakistan because of safety concerns after the Federation of International Cricket Associations (FICA) sent out a release warning players against travelling to the country.
    Guardian Media understands that the players were each being offered US$10,000 for the two matches, which represents an increase of 100 percent on their normal T20 match fee of US$2,500. A source close to the situation told Guardian Media that, “The players were being offered US$10,000 to tour for just the two games but at this time the security situation has to be taken very seriously into consideration.”

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    I can't believe at the comedy of this situation. WICB is a struggling board with so many players refusing to play because of low salaries and when PCB offers them a HUGE amount of money, they refuse to play. With the security that Pakistan were going to provide them, an average Pakistani fan would've have actually disagreed with the board paying them such a huge amount because of guaranteed presidential level security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SL_Fan View Post
    Windies players were offered big bucks to play in Pakistan

    West Indies players were offered a one hundred percent increase in their salary to tour Pakistan by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for two T20 international in Lahore, but Cricket West Indies (CWI) decided that player’s safety was of paramount concern.

    The PCB trying to get international cricket back in Pakistan after being banned after the attacks on the Sri Lankan team bus in 2010, had asked Cricket West Indies (CWI) to tour for two games in March.

    However, CWI decided against allowing the team to tour Pakistan because of safety concerns after the Federation of International Cricket Associations (FICA) sent out a release warning players against travelling to the country.
    Guardian Media understands that the players were each being offered US$10,000 for the two matches, which represents an increase of 100 percent on their normal T20 match fee of US$2,500. A source close to the situation told Guardian Media that, “The players were being offered US$10,000 to tour for just the two games but at this time the security situation has to be taken very seriously into consideration.”

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    Thats a huge amount of money for just 2 T20 games.Curious as to why the security delegation did not visit either.

    Hoping Clarke's visit bears some fruit.


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    Its not very complicated. PCB should work on it quietly and not so publicly. They first has to convince ICC that its safe for foreign team to visit Pakistan and the green signal should come from ICC and not from individual boards.

    I'm sure ICC wants international cricket to return to Pakistan provided its safe. Periodic assessment of security situation by ICC recommended agency should be the way to go and PCB should work on the weaknesses , if there are any , pointed out by the security agencies. Once ICC gave the green signal, cricket will return to Pakistan. It will take one year or 5 years, no one knows, we all have to be patient.

    I personally think Pakistan is sage for international cricket now.

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    2500 $ per match is too low and the pcb offer is also not that great either. Most of the players earn more in foreign t 20s thats why they are not willing to take risks. B grade players can be persuaded but not regular players for whom 10k is not that much

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