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    Wahab gets unfairly criticized. He's the least of our worries. Amir and Wahab have bowled well in this series


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Noooooooooo


    Noooooooooo


    Are you serious?
    Yes..


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    Misbah isn't thinking clearly
    He hasn't been thinking clearly since the NZ tour

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    Will Dave Warner's fifty count towards the record books?

    I thought that after the Steve O'Shaughnessy knock that innings against joke bowling no longer count.


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    bowled him

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    148 kph Wahab's fastest and Warner gone.


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    is reanshaw injured? khawaja is opening with warner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    Yes..
    That's sooooo sad. I really really liked him

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaiser View Post
    I guess you dont have a reason to support your thought so you just keep doing useless criticizing.
    And I guess you're going to keep crying over a law has existed for a century,and which has actually benefitted Pakistan many times.
    Let it go mate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    Oh no! Om Puri has passed away.

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    Smith gonna start a madness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    That's sooooo sad. I really really liked him
    Yeah me too..


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    Australia lead by 289 runs with 10 wickets remaining

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    Well played Warner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belawal2014 View Post
    oh no! Om puri has passed away.
    no!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    And I guess you're going to keep crying over a law has existed for a century,and which has actually benefitted Pakistan many times.
    Let it go mate.
    Why are you advocating him
    He can answer for himself.
    So no rules have changed in Cricket if they are 100 yrs old even if they are wrong.
    I like to see some rules in favor of bowlers.

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    and that should be the end of the career for Misbah, Sami aslam (at the moment..needs to go back to domestic cricket and learn the art of making runs.. just not defending), Rahat Ali, Imran Khan..
    Need to look out for some alternatives of Yasir Shah as well (he is goin to struggle big time whenever there is no assistance from the pitch coz he has no varieties and thats why he doent play ODI as well)
    Give some more time to Babar Azam as he has looked good in ODIs and i feel he can get runs in ODIs in Australia as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaiser View Post
    Why are you advocating him
    He can answer for himself.
    So no rules have changed in Cricket if they are 100 yrs old even if they are wrong.
    I like to see some rules in favor of bowlers.
    I'm not advocating for him.I'm just tired of you repeatedly posting one thing.


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    I'm deeping it right now, Maxwell is gonna hurt us bad in the ODI's and T20's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    There is a reason cricket is called "the gentleman's game" and spirit of the game is held in high esteem. It is also a game of aesthetics. These are the things that separate cricket from a pure brawny sport like baseball. Till mid 1930s, the only major line that was bowled by a bowler was outside off stump. Bowling on the legs was severely frowned upon as ugly. Making a batsman nick behind was actually seen as the "right" way of getting him out. Was the same case with batting when playing with the bat away from the body or being severely out of shape when playing the shot. There is a reason playing leg side hoicks is called "hacking" while hitting a cover drive is seen as a "magisterial shot". Only after the bodyline series, the short ball came into more widespread use with a leg side field theory and even though the legside field got outlawed, bowling at the body with a short ball became an option for the bowler.

    Anyway, if you keep such an lbw rule, everyone will start bowling at the legs with a negative line trying to get an lbw, denigrating the sport and its aesthetics as we know. A batsman can still be adjudged out when pitched legside if he's offering no shot and just padding away, which was an earlier tactic used by batsmen before the new rule change forced them to play at them. But if he has played a shot but missed it, he can't be given out.
    Ok thank you. Good mature answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    That's sooooo sad. I really really liked him
    He was a good guy. Sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    I'm deeping it right now, Maxwell is gonna hurt us bad in the ODI's and T20's.
    Warner is still the guy we should be most afraid of


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Ok thank you. Good mature answer.
    That's what I wanted to say but it wasn't worth explaining something so obvious


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    I'm not advocating for him.I'm just tired of you repeatedly posting one thing.
    Because he criticized me and other posters unnecessarily without giving reason for criticism other than its obvious and 100 yr old rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    That's what I wanted to say but it wasn't worth explaining something so obvious
    Hey at least I learned something new. Cricket is the "Gentleman's" game.

    Meanwhile Wahab is speaking Hindi with S Ravi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Ok thank you. Good mature answer.
    I agree
    Thats a good mature answer.

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    it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that most of the posters on this forum do not understand fine nuisances of test cricket and they just post whatever comes to thier mind. very unfortunate

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    No attempt by younis Bhai to farm the strike?

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    144 kph bouncer. Nasty from Riaz.

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    Guys - have started a thread for Om Puri on the Time Pass forum. Please post there.


    Why you wanna talk beef and tuck your chain after that?

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    Damn you Sarfraz


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    Yasir should have taken atleast 4 or 5 more wickets in the series with a better fielding performance and that would have helped his confidence to perform better in the series.

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    Rest Wabby or he will have a giant seizure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaiser View Post
    Why do you think pitching outside leg should be not out even if its hitting good part of stumps?
    it is very easy for a bowler to hit the leg from outside leg stump. When the ball is pitched outside off or on stumps, you have free movement of your bat. But because in cricket, you stand sideways, when its pitched outside leg, you have to bring your bat around the leg (move your leg out of the way. Also a spinner or an outswing bowler can pitch way outside leg and make you lbw behind your bat

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    Sarfraz has been rubbish throughout this series.


    Why you wanna talk beef and tuck your chain after that?

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    Sarfraz need a rest too, enough of this rubbish,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    it is very easy for a bowler to hit the leg from outside leg stump. When the ball is pitched outside off or on stumps, you have free movement of your bat. But because in cricket, you stand sideways, when its pitched outside leg, you have to bring your bat around the leg (move your leg out of the way. Also a spinner or an outswing bowler can pitch way outside leg and make you lbw behind your bat
    I understand and agree to the rule now bro.

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    T20 figures for Yasira.

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    The feeling of helplessness when your team plays absolute Rubbish cricket

    No one should be made to feel this way.....One of the worst feelings in cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    T20 figures for Yasira.
    Sura getting the Red treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    There is a reason cricket is called "the gentleman's game" and spirit of the game is held in high esteem. It is also a game of aesthetics. These are the things that separate cricket from a pure brawny sport like baseball. Till mid 1930s, the only major line that was bowled by a bowler was outside off stump. Bowling on the legs was severely frowned upon as ugly. Making a batsman nick behind was actually seen as the "right" way of getting him out. Was the same case with batting when playing with the bat away from the body or being severely out of shape when playing the shot. There is a reason playing leg side hoicks is called "hacking" while hitting a cover drive is seen as a "magisterial shot". Only after the bodyline series, the short ball came into more widespread use with a leg side field theory and even though the legside field got outlawed, bowling at the body with a short ball became an option for the bowler.

    Anyway, if you keep such an lbw rule, everyone will start bowling at the legs with a negative line trying to get an lbw, denigrating the sport and its aesthetics as we know. A batsman can still be adjudged out when pitched legside if he's offering no shot and just padding away, which was an earlier tactic used by batsmen before the new rule change forced them to play at them. But if he has played a shot but missed it, he can't be given out.
    Apart from spirit of the game, there are 2 technical issues in this.

    Cricket is a side on game - if a bowler bowls outside leg & bring it back, it's actually out of sight for the batsman. Here the rule is applied in a way that you can get batsman out bowling (pitching) outside leg, but batsman also has the right to even it out by using his pad - if he is bowled or caught or stumped/hit wicket it stands, but using pad as 2nd line of defense is considered as part of batting technique.

    2nd one is a debate for over 170 years ago - Fuller Pilch was a fantastic batsman in 1820s to 40s, best of his generation & then he was a pro umpire as well. During his batting days, he argued with umpires regarding LBWs against him, particularly leg line LBWs. His point was, how are you sure that the ball was going to hit the stick?

    When he was umpiring, he denied few of the best bowlers leg side LBW, particularly those pitched out side leg & almost plumb in front. When asked, he used to say - how many times you have got a batsman bowled behind his leg that you are sure the ball would have hit the sticks or dislodged the bail? As an Umpire, my job is not to find a way to give batsman out, rather my job is on your (Bowler's) appeal, adjudicate if the batsman is guilty (out) or not - for that, I need to be absolutely sure that, he would have been out. I have to stick to my first principle as Umpire - a batsman who might be out, can get benefit of doubt, but no way I can give death sentence to an innocent or probabilities.

    It went to a level that, the law was amended to deliberate padding (out) & not deliberate padding on balls pitched out side leg, which went out of control in 1st few matches - Umpires were challenged how he is judging which one is deliberate & which unintentional. Eventually, they immediately changed the "Intention" clause & the rule stood like what is still in practice. Gradually, batting techniques improved & batsmen are using pad play to survive even plumbest of LBWs, but you don't expect those days Cricket administrators to be clowns like now - 49% DRS is on field call, 51% over rule ............ that they'll confuse the rule with ambiguity.

    This is one of the most fundamental cricket rules, probably registered in MCC manual sometimes around 1844; which hardly ever was challenged. I understand the impact of the rule in terms of it's merit (on judging a batsman out), impact (on batting technique) & effect (on fielding/bowling strategy) - never had any issues with it.

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    Azhar into the attack.


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    Azhar Ali- blessed in all three facets of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    T20 figures for Yasira.
    You're supposed to pick up quick wickets along with giving away runs in T20. These figures are as bad as you can get. Yasir's Australian nightmare. They said Ashwin was a bad traveller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    You're supposed to pick up quick wickets along with giving away runs in T20. These figures are as bad as you can get. Yasir's Australian nightmare. They said Ashwin was a bad traveller.
    Tbf he is injured and opening the bowling to Warner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Tbf he is injured and opening the bowling to Warner.
    fair enough but injured every match? today's just the tip of the iceberg.

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    Worst tour of Yasir's career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    fair enough but injured every match? today's just the tip of the iceberg.
    He didn't do too poorly in the last two matches. Just got smacked by Starc. But even Sohail Khan made 65 in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeshan547 View Post
    Sarfraz need a rest too, enough of this rubbish,
    he was never a good wicketkeeper. in every innings he will drop a catch or will miss a stump chance

    his batting is also just OK outside UAE. what has he done in england, NZ and aus in 9 test matches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlickedOffHips View Post
    fair enough but injured every match? today's just the tip of the iceberg.
    He was unfit from the NZ Series, which I felt from his movement; but can't challenge pros working with PAK team. He was stiff from the 3rd Test against WI, which I wrote in 2nd innings of that match thread. A leggi, who bowls with his shoulder & twist from waste (unlike finger spinners, who use elbow & fingers) can't & I repeat can't be worked like 85 overs in that UAE heat.

    And Amir as well - unfit from Gabba, which I can see from his run-up, but Misbah is having his last few days' office - who cares after that; if Yasir & Amir is out for 6 months, that's next Captain's problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Apart from spirit of the game, there are 2 technical issues in this.

    Cricket is a side on game - if a bowler bowls outside leg & bring it back, it's actually out of sight for the batsman. Here the rule is applied in a way that you can get batsman out bowling (pitching) outside leg, but batsman also has the right to even it out by using his pad - if he is bowled or caught or stumped/hit wicket it stands, but using pad as 2nd line of defense is considered as part of batting technique.

    2nd one is a debate for over 170 years ago - Fuller Pilch was a fantastic batsman in 1820s to 40s, best of his generation & then he was a pro umpire as well. During his batting days, he argued with umpires regarding LBWs against him, particularly leg line LBWs. His point was, how are you sure that the ball was going to hit the stick?

    When he was umpiring, he denied few of the best bowlers leg side LBW, particularly those pitched out side leg & almost plumb in front. When asked, he used to say - how many times you have got a batsman bowled behind his leg that you are sure the ball would have hit the sticks or dislodged the bail? As an Umpire, my job is not to find a way to give batsman out, rather my job is on your (Bowler's) appeal, adjudicate if the batsman is guilty (out) or not - for that, I need to be absolutely sure that, he would have been out. I have to stick to my first principle as Umpire - a batsman who might be out, can get benefit of doubt, but no way I can give death sentence to an innocent or probabilities.

    It went to a level that, the law was amended to deliberate padding (out) & not deliberate padding on balls pitched out side leg, which went out of control in 1st few matches - Umpires were challenged how he is judging which one is deliberate & which unintentional. Eventually, they immediately changed the "Intention" clause & the rule stood like what is still in practice. Gradually, batting techniques improved & batsmen are using pad play to survive even plumbest of LBWs, but you don't expect those days Cricket administrators to be clowns like now - 49% DRS is on field call, 51% over rule ............ that they'll confuse the rule with ambiguity.

    This is one of the most fundamental cricket rules, probably registered in MCC manual sometimes around 1844; which hardly ever was challenged. I understand the impact of the rule in terms of it's merit (on judging a batsman out), impact (on batting technique) & effect (on fielding/bowling strategy) - never had any issues with it.
    Agreed. The evolution of the lbw law over the years has been a fascinating one.

    Remember reading that Sutcliffe was one of the prime opponents of the ban on the legside padding away rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast1975 View Post
    he was never a good wicketkeeper. in every innings he will drop a catch or will miss a stump chance

    his batting is also just OK outside UAE. what has he done in england, NZ and aus in 9 test matches?
    What's wrong with you guys? He is the next PCB Captain for Test, ODI & T20, at the age of 30, with comfortably 4/5 years hidden in that 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Agreed. The evolution of the lbw law over the years has been a fascinating one.

    Remember reading that Sutcliffe was one of the prime opponents of the ban on the legside padding away rule.
    Hobbs as well. I think, Archie MacLaren (Or Ranji?)gave a fantastic technical explanation of this rule sometimes in 1893 or 94, just before the start of Professional County Cricket. I read that in some copy of Wisden, but forgot most details - just can recall the gist now.

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    Is Amir injured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    Worst tour of Yasir's career.
    TBH, worst is an understatement, he has been absolutely manhandled, even that is an understatement, the scar that warner has put on his psyche, will take huge amount of work to recover, he has been made to look like a school kid and the pasting has been more severe and brutal match by match, only saving grace has been riaz to some extent, rest have been absolute filth, from wasim, waqar, to asif and Shoaib to guys like Rahat and imran , that is a huge slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Is Amir injured?
    From Gabba - do you think, fast bowlers recover from that sort of twisted ankle in 3 hours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Is Amir injured?
    Yeah I think so. Not sure which injury though. @Abdul

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    Kick Imran Khan out, bowling absolute filth.

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    Wonder if Aus would take a crack at Pakistani batsman today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Yeah I think so. Not sure which injury though. @Abdul
    He picked up a side strain during training this morning.


    Why you wanna talk beef and tuck your chain after that?

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    So, stability has brought PAK to 1.5 fit bowlers after 2.5 Tests & in total 11 days & a bit. Actually 2, but I'll have to take some discount before Imran counting as a bowler in AUS.

    It's a stupidity of the highest order to pick aged bowlers, using Misbah & YK as example of fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    From Gabba - do you think, fast bowlers recover from that sort of twisted ankle in 3 hours?
    I sprained my ankle 7 months ago. Still not 100%.

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    Plenty of time left for whitewash

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    Given the number of no-balls Wahab bowls, why doesn't he simply change his run-up to bowl six inches earlier?

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    Now this beyond insanity, yasir still on, for goodness sake give it to azhar, or do you want yasir to fracture his leg or to scare him so much mentally that he never forget this phainta? There is not a single justification of keeping him on now.


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    How the heck have they raced their way to 135/1 Mega


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Wonder if Aus would take a crack at Pakistani batsman today.
    They'll - 7-8 overs, so that PAK openers basically play 2 innings - half an hour on day 4 & then a restart again next morning. Bonus is, Smith 'll unleash his 2 pacers for the key 20 overs of Kookaburra at full throttle - 4 each tonight; 6 each next morning.

    PAK has to come out of UAE, or UAE tracks have to change - otherwise, future is India of 60s & 70s; or may be even Bangladesh of 2000 .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeshan547 View Post
    Now this beyond insanity, yasir still on, for goodness sake give it to azhar, or do you want yasir to fracture his leg or to scare him so much mentally that he never forget this phainta? There is not a single justification of keeping him on now.
    That's stability, continuity, establishment .... Azhar can only bowl after 40 overs .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    They'll - 7-8 overs, so that PAK openers basically play 2 innings - half an hour on day 4 & then a restart again next morning. Bonus is, Smith 'll unleash his 2 pacers for the key 20 overs of Kookaburra at full throttle - 4 each tonight; 6 each next morning.

    PAK has to come out of UAE, or UAE tracks have to change - otherwise, future is India of 60s & 70s; or may be even Bangladesh of 2000 .......
    India of 60's and 70's won 2 tests in Australia and won in West Indies and England so not sure what u are on about.

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    Waqar is talking about Gabba and why Australia should give a lead of 500 instead of 450 to Pakistan. He forgets that Pakistan had over 2 days to play then. 450 in 3 sessions is impossible on last day IMP


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    IK is the worst bowler I have ever seen playing international cricket

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    YS is back into action to complete his 100

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    Not to forget victory over new Zealand as well.

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    Misbah I have lots of respect for you but please retire

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    AUS don't need more than 400. 15 overs tonight, let Lyon bowl without the constant pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vayuu View Post
    India of 60's and 70's won 2 tests in Australia and won in West Indies and England so not sure what u are on about.
    This is problem with most Indian posters here - why you take every comment on face value? This PAK side has won 2 Tests in ENG 5 months back - point is not that. Point is, in 60s & 70s Indian team was loaded with 6 batsmen & 4 spinners, of the 6 batsmen, 2 were used to take the shine of new ball & at one point that batsman was even Sunil Gavaskar.

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    Waqar commentary sounds very weird as if he is not responsible for bowlers like IK playing for Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    They'll - 7-8 overs, so that PAK openers basically play 2 innings - half an hour on day 4 & then a restart again next morning. Bonus is, Smith 'll unleash his 2 pacers for the key 20 overs of Kookaburra at full throttle - 4 each tonight; 6 each next morning.

    PAK has to come out of UAE, or UAE tracks have to change - otherwise, future is India of 60s & 70s; or may be even Bangladesh of 2000 .......
    India sadly gets a lot of flak for 70's but we won our first tour 69 in NZ and then 71 in West Indies and lost 3-2 to Australia by the end of 70's(where we defeated Aus by an innings in Sydney) I get that its not enough but think we get a lot of flak considering we have performed better than Pakistan in those countries eventhough Pakistan has always been considered better than us in those decades.


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    Pitch has nothing in it for spinners but have to say, Yasir is bowling some absolute rubbish here


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    Yasir sha's make me cry

    the lad has no clue what to do....feel really sorry to him

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