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    Pakistan slips to fifth place in ICC Test Team Rankings

    Pakistan has slipped two places to fifth position on the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings after a 3-0 loss to Australia which culminated with a 220-run defeat in Sydney on Saturday.

    The Misbah-ul-Haq-led side lost five points to finish with 97 points after the series, just one point ahead of New Zealand and Sri Lanka. It was the sixth consecutive Test loss for Pakistan including a 2-0 loss to New Zealand in a preceding series.

    Pakistan, which had led the rankings last year following a 2-2 draw in England during a four-match series in July-August, was tied with South Africa on 102 points before the Australia series but was ahead on decimal points. South Africa and England (101) are now both ahead of Pakistan.

    Australia has consolidated its second position, gaining four points and moving up to 109 points, 11 points behind India. But South Africa could bridge the gap as it looks set to gain more points when the rankings are updated after its ongoing three-Test series against Sri Lanka which it leads 2-0.

    South Africa could go up to 107 points with a 3-0 win and to 105 points if it wins 2-0. Even if Sri Lanka wins the last Test in Johannesburg next week, South Africa will gain two points to reach 104 points with a 2-1 series result.

    Rank Team Points
    1 India 120
    2 Australia 109 (+4)
    3 South Africa 102
    4 England 101
    5 Pakistan 97 (-5)
    6 New Zealand 96
    7 Sri Lanka 96
    8 West Indies 69
    9 Bangladesh 65
    10 Zimbabwe 5


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    Thank you Misbah, what would we ever do without you


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    Pakistan will be number 6 after nz whitewashes bd.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Pakistan will be number 6 after nz whitewashes bd.
    When misbah left ODI captaincy, Pakistan were 7th or 8th in ODI. Now, at what test ranking will misbah leave test captaincy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafay Shafiq View Post
    When misbah left ODI captaincy, Pakistan were 7th or 8th in ODI. Now, at what test ranking will misbah leave test captaincy?
    may be after replacing zim


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    This is when Pakistan's first away cycle is yet to be completed, and then you will have another one before the true ranking is reflected. It is surely the right time to find a new captain and rebuild.

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    Those rankings now actually look correct for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Those rankings now actually look correct for once.
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...Its like AUS play India,PAK,SL,WI all at home in one season to get 12 test wins... That does not reflect the true ranking... Ranking system should value lot more away wins and devalues home wins... They also need to make rules for these series to be competitive, like get away with toss...There are hardly any series that are competitive, SA won in AUS because they have same home conditions as AUS...This is not a good situation for test cricket...


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...Its like AUS play India,PAK,SL,WI all at home in one season to get 12 test wins... That does not reflect the true ranking... Ranking system should value lot more away wins and devalues home wins... They also need to make rules for these series to be competitive, like get away with toss...There are hardly any series that are competitive, SA won in AUS because they have same home conditions as AUS...This is not a good situation for test cricket...
    Nonsense. So a side that is rubbish at home and great away should rank above a side that is great at home and rubbish away?

    As for India being so far ahead, it isn't just because of home Tests, but it is also because India is one of the few sides that holds it's own away too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Nonsense. So a side that is rubbish at home and great away should rank above a side that is great at home and rubbish away?
    The real test is Asian team winning in West and Western team winning in Asia... That's what makes test cricket great. There is nothing special about winning at home, specially Asian against West or Vice Versa...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    As for India being so far ahead, it isn't just because of home Tests, but it is also because India is one of the few sides that holds it's own away too.
    When was the last time India has won test series in Aus, SA, ENG,NZ?? - They has been as rubbish as everybody else. They have never won a test series in AUS/SA like every other Asia team, even they have not won full series in ENG either, ever. Nobody consider this Indian team special, except Indians, they like to brag about mathematical formula that puts them on top, right now they are 10 points ahead, they maybe 20 by end of the season, but are they really that good, not at all...If you keep on playing on same pitches series after series and other team is changing, oppositiion is really at disadvantage, 13 continuous test in a season at home is huge advantage.

    You really earn respect when you start winning abroad. Rest is just a number, nobody talks about who was no 1 in a particular year, everybody knows the WIs of 70/80s and Auses of 2000s, rest of the teams don't stand out a whole lot...


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    The real test is Asian team winning in West and Western team winning in Asia... That's what makes test cricket great. There is nothing special about winning at home, specially Asian against West or Vice Versa...



    When was the last time India has won test series in Aus, SA, ENG,NZ?? - They has been as rubbish as everybody else. They have never won a test series in AUS/SA like every other Asia team, even they have not won full series in ENG either, ever. Nobody consider this Indian team special, except Indians, they like to brag about mathematical formula that puts them on top, right now they are 10 points ahead, they maybe 20 by end of the season, but are they really that good, not at all...If you keep on playing on same pitches series after series and other team is changing, oppositiion is really at disadvantage, 13 continuous test in a season at home is huge advantage.

    You really earn respect when you start winning abroad. Rest is just a number, nobody talks about who was no 1 in a particular year, everybody knows the WIs of 70/80s and Auses of 2000s, rest of the teams don't stand out a whole lot...
    Everyone is not abysmal,they actually knows to draw matches unlike this rubbish team, my mean hamilton 2016, melbourne 2016 even my town team would have save that - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...=1#post9043593

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    When was the last time India has won test series in Aus, SA, ENG,NZ?? - They has been as rubbish as everybody else. They have never won a test series in AUS/SA like every other Asia team, even they have not won full series in ENG either, ever. Nobody consider this Indian team special, except Indians, they like to brag about mathematical formula that puts them on top, right now they are 10 points ahead, they maybe 20 by end of the season, but are they really that good, not at all...If you keep on playing on same pitches series after series and other team is changing, oppositiion is really at disadvantage, 13 continuous test in a season at home is huge advantage.

    You really earn respect when you start winning abroad. Rest is just a number, nobody talks about who was no 1 in a particular year, everybody knows the WIs of 70/80s and Auses of 2000s, rest of the teams don't stand out a whole lot...
    Again, typical bitter rant that is completely out of touch with reality. Drawing half the Tests away with occasional wins is far better than getting whitewashed series after series. It isn't just a mathematical formula, but a fact that takes India to a rightful #1 spot.

    As for 13 consecutive Tests you are talking about, what are those? India reached #1 even before the home season started. Name one team right now that can actually dream of that today.

    Before the home season started, India played series after series away... was that fair? How many of you cried about the unfair advantage other teams had over India? None. But now that it is India's turn to play home matches, there are many like you who find it extremely hard to digest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...Its like AUS play India,PAK,SL,WI all at home in one season to get 12 test wins... That does not reflect the true ranking... Ranking system should value lot more away wins and devalues home wins... They also need to make rules for these series to be competitive, like get away with toss...There are hardly any series that are competitive, SA won in AUS because they have same home conditions as AUS...This is not a good situation for test cricket...
    FYI, India drew and lost 50% of its matches last time they toured SA (0-1), NZ (0-1), AUS (0-2) and won in SL (2-1) and WI (2-0). Compare that to teams like Aus/ Eng/ Pak who get whitewashed away from home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...Its like AUS play India,PAK,SL,WI all at home in one season to get 12 test wins... That does not reflect the true ranking... Ranking system should value lot more away wins and devalues home wins... They also need to make rules for these series to be competitive, like get away with toss...There are hardly any series that are competitive, SA won in AUS because they have same home conditions as AUS...This is not a good situation for test cricket...
    Let me add to why I think it will be a horrible idea. A couple of points -

    1) Firstly, sides like Sri Lanka and Pakistan play a bucketload of Tests in Asia, half of which would count as "away" matches. But for India, away tours are mostly England, South Africa and Australia as we rarely tour UAE, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. So, how exactly do you plan to differentiate between these "away" matches?

    2) Secondly, like I mentioned before, why would you even rate away matches >> home matches? Imagine a scenario where an Asian side starts getting whitewashed in Asia, but wins away. How in the world would you rank this side above another Asian side that blanks teams in Asia but gets whitewashed away? What logic is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...Its like AUS play India,PAK,SL,WI all at home in one season to get 12 test wins... That does not reflect the true ranking... Ranking system should value lot more away wins and devalues home wins... They also need to make rules for these series to be competitive, like get away with toss...There are hardly any series that are competitive, SA won in AUS because they have same home conditions as AUS...This is not a good situation for test cricket...
    great point raised by you sir. I completely agree with you.

    ICC should make amendments in ranking system and give more points for away wins. otherwise there is no accountability and no one would really care about these meaningless rankings when they will get back to their rank at home despite being whitewashed on tough away tours. This current system is really flawed. Despite India was thrashed on their Eng,NZ,Aus tour they were like 2nd team in the rankings. Should be improved otherwise there is no point of this ranking system.

    I firmly believe SA are the no.1 team. They were not only good at home but they have been the best travellers. they beat SL,Aus,WI at their home..draw twice against Pakistan in UAE,beat Pakistan in Pakistan before that, drawn against India before their last tour to India..They have been by far best to me. Aus and India could be joint 2nd. they have been pretty much same away from home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    great point raised by you sir. I completely agree with you.

    ICC should make amendments in ranking system and give more points for away wins. otherwise there is no accountability and no one would really care about these meaningless rankings when they will get back to their rank at home despite being whitewashed on tough away tours. This current system is really flawed. Despite India was thrashed on their Eng,NZ,Aus tour they were like 2nd team in the rankings. Should be improved otherwise there is no point of this ranking system.

    I firmly believe SA are the no.1 team. They were not only good at home but they have been the best travellers. they beat SL,Aus,WI at their home..draw twice against Pakistan in UAE,beat Pakistan in Pakistan before that, drawn against India before their last tour to India..They have been by far best to me. Aus and India could be joint 2nd. they have been pretty much same away from home.
    That is not true. After our thrashing, we came down to as low as 97 points and no.6 in the rankings. It is only since 2014-15, that we managed to beat SL in SL, WI in WI, drawing 2 tests and losing 2 in 4 match series in Aus and being ruthless at home, that we are back to no.1.

    SA can't be no.1 as they lost 0-3 to current no.1 India. Also, they are quite poor at home (surprisingly). Lost to AUS / England at home.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Not really, India is so far ahead because of playing 13 test at home and that too against all western teams (WI,NZ,ENG,AUS), none of them play in India well anymore...
    Columbus also thought the West Indies was India, but that thinking has gone out of fashion in the modern world.

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    Couple of UAE whitewash series wins will bring us back up and then a couple of away whitewash losses will bring us back down.

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    No worries.We'll come back up again.


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    Australia will be back to 4 after India tour

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    We were told that Pakistan is the best team in the world.

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    I always accepted the rankings.

    We were one because we hadn't played away yet. When we did, we rightfully got back to our place.

    When we play in UAE again, we have another chance to climb back to one again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    I always accepted the rankings.

    We were one because we hadn't played away yet. When we did, we rightfully got back to our place.

    When we play in UAE again, we have another chance to climb back to one again.
    Pakistan are 5th because they haven't been ruthless enough in UAE. If you start whitewashing teams there, it will provide cushion for the ranking when you tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Pakistan are 5th because they haven't been ruthless enough in UAE. If you start whitewashing teams there, it will provide cushion for the ranking when you tour.
    Can't be ruthless with impotent bowlers and aging batsmen.

    Let's see what future brings.


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    Fair reflection of performances.

    Feel SA is steadily climbing to getting back to their old self. Asia will be their biggest challenge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Pakistan are 5th because they haven't been ruthless enough in UAE. If you start whitewashing teams there, it will provide cushion for the ranking when you tour.
    How do you explain England being at 4 when they have been pathetic at home and even worse away?


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    All teams look invincible at home, don't they? Truly dire state of affair

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    Pakistan's rank will improve dramatically on UAE tests , but they can't afford to lose tests to the teams like West Indies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeetu View Post
    Pakistan's rank will improve dramatically on UAE tests , but they can't afford to lose tests to the teams like West Indies.
    They will climb up, but it won't be a dramatic improvement. Even after playing in Asia for an unbelievably long time, Pakistan's peak rating was near 110 I think. To climb back to top-3 for a substantial amount of time, they will need to maintain similar rating despite all the foreign tours.

    So, unless they get into the habit of whitewashing teams in UAE, Pakistan becoming top-3 again seems unlikely.

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    In this day and age, teams will be yo-yo-ing up and down quite a bit.

    Instead of taking consolation in the fact that a cycle of home tours is coming up and we can climb up several places according to a somewhat flawed formula, we should be thinking more long term and invest in building a team that can perform well in all conditions.

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    Australia will get demolished in India so I expect to see them back at number 4 spot soon. Best case scenario for Pakistan would be to hope Bangladesh puts up some sort of a performance against New Zealand, at least draw a test for Pakistan to stay above New Z.

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    We will be # 6 soon and its not impossible to hold # 7. May be Pakistan is thinking that Higher number results in higher position.

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    New Zealand will Bangladesh and climb to no six so in couple of weeks time we will be 7th competing with Sri Lanka

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    The rankings are really a farce. Sri Lanka are on an upswing and they have found a set of good young players who can play long for their country and they will get better from here. Pakistan will have to get rid of the old baggage they have been carrying both in batting and bowling and find young players who can step up. At present they have no future at all, specially their bowling is the worst in the sub-continent.

    1. India
    2. England
    3. South Africa
    4. Sri Lanka
    5. Australia
    6. West indies
    7. Pakistan
    8. New Zealand

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    Ranking methodology is flawed but like faulty, stopped watch also tell correct time twice a day, similarly this ranking seems true.

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    SA at 2, Pakistan at 4 and England at 5 is where things truly are.

    I think we might be better than England too, but they still have credit from that SA series.

    Other than that they have been quite mediocre.

    Nothing at home and mediocre away (if you exclude SA).
    Last edited by Aman; 7th January 2017 at 07:29.


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    Rankings look just about right IMO.

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    As I said before, 5th/6th is the true reflection of this rubbish team.

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    Should be 9. 5 is too much for this pathetic team. Next year we will be whitewashed by Bangladesh in Bangladesh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Should be 9. 5 is too much for this pathetic team. Next year we will be whitewashed by Bangladesh in Bangladesh
    You are going too much hard on pak test team. Pak (test) is not that bad either,nor bd that good.


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    Ranking test teams.......(By Tanveer)

    In my view in keeping view the future and potential(not past) the following is my ranking......

    1-South Africa
    2-India
    3-Australia
    4-England
    5-New zealand
    6-Westindies
    7-Pakistan
    8-Srilanka
    9-Bangladesh
    10-Zimbabwe

    Agree or not? If not Give reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanveer din View Post
    In my view in keeping view the future and potential(not past) the following is my ranking......

    1-South Africa
    2-India
    3-Australia
    4-England
    5-New zealand
    6-Westindies
    7-Pakistan
    8-Srilanka
    9-Bangladesh
    10-Zimbabwe

    Agree or not? If not Give reasons
    Misbah's short term policies for his personal glory and continuing his stay in the team has lead to such shameful and embarrassing defeats overseas. It's again the time to rebuild..what was Misbah doing all these 6 years?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tanveer din View Post
    In my view in keeping view the future and potential(not past) the following is my ranking......

    1-South Africa
    2-India
    3-Australia
    4-England
    5-New zealand
    6-Westindies
    7-Pakistan
    8-Srilanka
    9-Bangladesh
    10-Zimbabwe

    Agree or not? If not Give reasons
    Disagree. Can't have SA over India when they just lost 0-3 to India.

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    so we are just 1 point away from Mathews rookie Sri Lanka? @MMHS @Junaids

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    so we are just 1 point away from Mathews rookie Sri Lanka? @MMHS @Junaids

    Misbah the greatest test captain myth busted before even it could start.
    He isn't a great tactician - his Captaincy is like his batting, single dimensional. But, he is good in managing side under his favorable conditions. He did looked clueless in AUS, but not many PAK Captain will clean sweep AUS even on rank turners or beat ENG 5-0 in 6 Tests. He is a great ambassador to the game from PAK, but sadly became greedy & prolonged his career.

    Personally, I don't give much importance to ranking as the system is flawed. If PAK plays 5+4+4+3 = 16 Tests against ENG, AUS, SAF & NZ in UAE on top of that upcoming 4 Test series in WI, this ranks will change drastically - on top of that, add IND touring ENG, NZ & AUS for 9 Tests in 6 months ...... I think, the week PAK was No. 1, SAF was probably 6th in ranking - that's just 5 months back; therefore 1st or 6th rank doesn't have much significance.

    Misbah's greatest weakness is that, he is a Manager, not leader. He accomplished his task with his workers, without trying to improve their skill, neither trying to look beyond today - it's like day laborers' day to day job; otherwise no Captain will make a team such static after 6+ years in charge. If proper judgement were applied - after him, 8 to 9 of his 16 men team shouldn't be in WI trip, which indicates a big generation gap caused by nepotism & personal preference. This is anything but a Great Captaincy.

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    Let's take Misbah to West Indies and we will be competing Zimbabwe in ranking.

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    So Misbah took Captaincy 5 years ago and we were ranked number 5. Under his captaincy we became World Number 1 Test team and now months later when he is retiring we are World Number 5 again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    So Misbah took Captaincy 5 years ago and we were ranked number 5. Under his captaincy we became World Number 1 Test team and now months later when he is retiring we are World Number 5 again.
    Is he though, I thought he needed some more time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    Is he though, I thought he needed some more time?

    Some more time to land at his home soil and announce.


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    There is nothing to be depressed about. Every team is abysmal abroad (except SA which failed in India alone). I would say, fans should level set their expectations whenever their teams tour. It is a given that the rankings of the team and players would fall after a tour to SA or Aus. These things happen, rankings would rise again after a good home series.

    The countries should plan contingency for future and I am happy India is doing that under Dravid for India A and U19. Someday in the future, it would reap rewards.

    What Pakistan needs to do is something i cannot say because everything there is has been said here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    There is nothing to be depressed about. Every team is abysmal abroad (except SA which failed in India alone). I would say, fans should level set their expectations whenever their teams tour. It is a given that the rankings of the team and players would fall after a tour to SA or Aus. These things happen, rankings would rise again after a good home series.

    The countries should plan contingency for future and I am happy India is doing that under Dravid for India A and U19. Someday in the future, it would reap rewards.

    What Pakistan needs to do is something i cannot say because everything there is has been said here.
    Everyone is not abysmal,they actually knows to draw matches unlike this rubbish team, my mean hamilton 2016, melbourne 2016 even my town team would have save that

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    Well deserved and I hope we continue to slide down even further...

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    England look too high at #5

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    Rankings fluctuate.

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    South Africa vs India regardless of who is the home team seems to be the most exciting series. Most of the other games the home team is favourite

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    First time I am seeing so many posters agreeing with official ranking...


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    Back where we belong! Thank god, first place is too stressful!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Back where we belong! Thank god, first place is too stressful!
    The Iron Throne :GoT

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    Like many, I too overrated this England team. They should be behind Pakistan.

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    We need to play some easier teams now. Australia and New Zealand where right offs to begin with.


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    In what way is u r team better than india.we won in england in 2007; nz in 2009; drawn series in aus,sa,won in srl,west indies.u have not won series in england since 1996;white washed in sa,aus all the time.u should be last one talking about away performances as u have done zilch in sa,aus,eng
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    In what way is u r team better than india.we won in england in 2007; nz in 2009; drawn series in aus,sa,won in srl,west indies.u have not won series in england since 1996;white washed in sa,aus all the time.u should be last one talking about away performances as u have done zilch in sa,aus,eng
    I never said Pakistan is better than India. I am just saying India hasn't been good travelers compare to SA and Aus. I'm just saying if we look at who has been best team away from home than it might be the SA. I would still have India and Aus jointly at 2.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    I didn't get your alternate rankings, so I am guessing that yours too isn't much different to the BS ICC rankings. See, thing is, if you are hell bent on taking the credit away from a side, you can do it with any system.

    Let me take you quoting South Africa as an example. In those 8 years, how many series did South Africa win in conditions that would test them? The system you suggest will always have South Africa and Australia at the top as they hardly ever tour Asian countries compared the number of matches teams like India play in Eng/Aus or SA. So unless you make sure all countries touring each other with similar frequency, the system you suggest will be the biggest fail.
    Its pretty strange to hear words like away performance from pak fans as their aeay record is abysmal compared to india

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Did India win any test in AUS,NZ,SA?? - Drawing is achievement but not that make you so far ahead. We actually drew a full series in England, which nobody was able to do in last 6/7 season(including AUS/SA), so what??

    Only away series you won was against WI(Which is at continual decline) and SL(which is still in Asia, we won there too)... I did not see any flying achievements, its again mathematical no 1... When you are going to win a series in ENG,SA,AUS,NZ then we will talk...All this ICC ranking is just a BS
    SA were not able to draw the series in England because they won it 2-0.

    I do agree with the basis of your argument. Perhaps no one deserves the number one ranking. But someone has to be there.
    If SA and Australia hosted all the Asian sides they'd have a good shot at accumulating points and winning 13 games in a row. No one can deny that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    SA were not able to draw the series in England because they won it 2-0.

    I do agree with the basis of your argument. Perhaps no one deserves the number one ranking. But someone has to be there.
    If SA and Australia hosted all the Asian sides they'd have a good shot at accumulating points and winning 13 games in a row. No one can deny that.

    I missed that one SA did won 2-0 in 2012.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    I never said Pakistan is better than India. I am just saying India hasn't been good travelers compare to SA and Aus. I'm just saying if we look at who has been best team away from home than it might be the SA. I would still have India and Aus jointly at 2.
    Ok.south africa should be the undoubted better team over all based on their away performances.but they didnt win against aus,eng at their home and are not dominant like india in white washing asian teams.even in 2007 ind won joburg test,took lead in the last test of series only to collapse and lose the series.in 2011 also india was the better team ,in 2014 ind drawn a winnable test because of poor bowling in the second innings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Ok.south africa should be the undoubted better team over all based on their away performances.but they didnt win against aus,eng at their home and are not dominant like india in white washing asian teams.even in 2007 ind won joburg test,took lead in the last test of series only to collapse and lose the series.in 2011 also india was the better team ,in 2014 ind drawn a winnable test because of poor bowling in the second innings
    Well India and Pakistan do not play each other, who are master of Asian conditions in many ways, all this home bulling never get really tested...If AUS never plays against SA and Vice Versa, how many home series they will lose?

    If India and Pakistan keep on playing test series against each other then we can really know how good they are at home...Beating weaker opposition is not really a reflection of ranking...Keep in mind loosing big series from your arch rivals effects teams, finish careers and tuples boards, its not a normal thing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    SA were not able to draw the series in England because they won it 2-0.

    I do agree with the basis of your argument. Perhaps no one deserves the number one ranking. But someone has to be there.
    If SA and Australia hosted all the Asian sides they'd have a good shot at accumulating points and winning 13 games in a row. No one can deny that.
    May be against other asain sides but not india as india came close to winning series twice in 2007 and 2011 and drawn a winnable test last time.u r not that dominant against india as u make out .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    May be against other asain sides but not india as india came close to winning series twice in 2007 and 2011 and drawn a winnable test last time.u r not that dominant against india as u make out .
    Meh... India have had it easy in SA, things will change now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Meh... India have had it easy in SA, things will change now.
    Yes. Same like how SA got easy pitches in SL/UAE whereas they should have had turners


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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Meh... India have had it easy in SA, things will change now.
    The last time you made it difficult for us, Joburg 06/07 IIRC, Sreesanth happened. If it weren't for the dropped catch, of Ashwell Prince, in second test by Sachin you would've lost that games & the series as well.

    So please by all means make it more difficult for us, Lord's 2014 (& 1983) is testament to what we generally do when our batting clicks & the bowlers back them up.

    You seem to have an axe to grind after the "pitch doctoring" saga, what do you have to say about Faf's comments wrt negating SL's strength & giving the home team a decisive edge in the series?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Meh... India have had it easy in SA, things will change now.
    Indian batting is getting better and better, with a #9 bat scoring a century and an unbeaten triple centurion not sure of getting a place in the team next match. SA has had it easy till now, and will find things have changed the next time they play India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Well India and Pakistan do not play each other, who are master of Asian conditions in many ways, all this home bulling never get really tested...If AUS never plays against SA and Vice Versa, how many home series they will lose?

    If India and Pakistan keep on playing test series against each other then we can really know how good they are at home...Beating weaker opposition is not really a reflection of ranking...Keep in mind loosing big series from your arch rivals effects teams, finish careers and tuples boards, its not a normal thing...
    Pakistan won one test series against india im india that too 1:0 in a 5 match series long back in 1987.india won against pak in pak in 2007 2:1.so please dont brag about u r performance in india as it is nothing to brag about even with u r so called superior teams of yester years
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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    That is not a true statement in may ways, that's why ranking does not make much sense in test Cricket. Better than others at home? - Better than others away or overall?? - They have not won any tough away series, they don't play any tough series at home. You can create spreadsheet and hand out numbers but that does not mean anything...Again this delusion will be over once you guys will be on road... Current ICC ranking is blinded by those facts, but we all know where is the beef
    So who according to u is the no 1 team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    So who according to u is the no 1 team?
    There is no no 1 team ATM... SA was last no 1 team, after that it's musical chair, if you are on road, you are down, if at home you are up...That's why its BS ranking system...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    Again, you whine about the ranking system. But provide no alternative...

    there can't be no no.1 team, there has to be.

    Your flawed thinking is that no.1 team has to be as good as Aus or WI of the past.
    If this musical chair continue even the most spreadsheet obsession fans will not care about this ranking system. You are not getting the point, ranking (if any) is suppose to be about winning tough tours not making up a number...WIs of 70/80s don't brag about their ranking but not loosing test series for 15 years anywhere in the world...Once again test cricket is not a tournament where trophy is awarded, its one series at a time, bigger one are the away series, ranking is just a side show, real meat is winning on road!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    If this musical chair continue even the most spreadsheet obsession fans will not care about this ranking system. You are not getting the point, ranking (if any) is suppose to be about winning tough tours not making up a number...WIs of 70/80s don't brag about their ranking but not loosing test series for 15 years anywhere in the world...Once again test cricket is not a tournament where trophy is awarded, its one series at a time, bigger one are the away series, ranking is just a side show, real meat is winning on road!!
    So according to you we wont have a proper no.1 until a side goes undefeated away and that annihilates team that come to their shore.

    Alrightttt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    That is not a true statement in may ways, that's why ranking does not make much sense in test Cricket. Better than others at home? - Better than others away or overall?? - They have not won any tough away series, they don't play any tough series at home. You can create spreadsheet and hand out numbers but that does not mean anything...Again this delusion will be over once you guys will be on road... Current ICC ranking is blinded by those facts, but we all know where is the beef
    We were on the road recently and performed better than those teams in their homes than they are at our home.this disproves u r rant that has no meaning

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    India is number 1.

    Deservingly.

    Not number 1 number 1.

    But number 1.

    Its not ICC rankings fault there is no number 1 number 1 team.

    But yeah they need to award more points for away wins. Series in NZ or Aus or SA or Eng even if they are low ranked is very hard so a draw there should count for a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    India is number 1.

    Deservingly.

    Not number 1 number 1.

    But number 1.

    Its not ICC rankings fault there is no number 1 number 1 team.

    But yeah they need to award more points for away wins. Series in NZ or Aus or SA or Eng even if they are low ranked is very hard so a draw there should count for a lot.
    Not all away wins are equal. Good examples are SL,Pak(in UAE) ... allthough these teams are rarely No.1 beating them in their backyard is pretty difficult (Even for Asian sides) whereas beating India in India is pretty hard even for SL no matter what our ranking is. This is why I think the rankings system has been kept simple.


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