Instagram



Sohail Speaks Yasir's Blog Fazeer's Focus

User Tag List

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 81 to 88 of 88
  1. #81
    Debut
    Aug 2013
    Venue
    Chennai
    Runs
    30,882
    Mentioned
    750 Post(s)
    Tagged
    10 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla View Post
    arent the pcb bound by icc rules to enforce the ruling of another associate member (ECB)? i thought that was the case and that the pcb couldnt do anything even if they wanted to.
    If PCB didn't say a word reg Kaneria issue who was given a harsher sentence, they shouldn't say a word for the trio. Never fought for Amir let alone talk about Butt or Asif. Heard one of the main reason Amir got visa for England was due to PCB in its capacity pushing for it.

    PCB probably acted the right way for Kaneria but the wrong way for the trio.

    This issue is complicated.

    To this day, I don't understand why Kaneria is left rotting while the other 3 could very well play international games as well as all T20 tourneys.

    Can Kaneria play T20 tourneys all over the world (barring Eng)? I don't know. I am asking.


    Ishant Sharma - The greatest pace bowling legend

  2. #82
    Debut
    Aug 2006
    Runs
    5,294
    Mentioned
    62 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    If PCB didn't say a word reg Kaneria issue who was given a harsher sentence, they shouldn't say a word for the trio. Never fought for Amir let alone talk about Butt or Asif. Heard one of the main reason Amir got visa for England was due to PCB in its capacity pushing for it.

    PCB probably acted the right way for Kaneria but the wrong way for the trio.

    This issue is complicated.

    To this day, I don't understand why Kaneria is left rotting while the other 3 could very well play international games as well as all T20 tourneys.

    Can Kaneria play T20 tourneys all over the world (barring Eng)? I don't know. I am asking.
    i think both of us dont know the details so not much point in me saying much more. from what i understand after the debacle with the trio and the icc threatening to expel the pcb from the icc, or suspending it, they dindt hvae a choice but to keep relatively quiet about kaneria. in addition, my understanding is that if an icc member board issues a ban for a player, all other icc members have to honour that boards decision - so he is effectively banned from playing anywhere by icc rules. thats different from the trio (who i personally would have banned for life), in whose case the icc have not banned them for life.

  3. #83
    Debut
    Aug 2013
    Venue
    Chennai
    Runs
    30,882
    Mentioned
    750 Post(s)
    Tagged
    10 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by godzilla View Post
    i think both of us dont know the details so not much point in me saying much more. from what i understand after the debacle with the trio and the icc threatening to expel the pcb from the icc, or suspending it, they dindt hvae a choice but to keep relatively quiet about kaneria. in addition, my understanding is that if an icc member board issues a ban for a player, all other icc members have to honour that boards decision - so he is effectively banned from playing anywhere by icc rules. thats different from the trio (who i personally would have banned for life), in whose case the icc have not banned them for life.
    I see....it is surprising why ECB/ICC went that route for trio. From what I have seen in PP over the years, many don't know why either.

    Would be nice if someone can post what is the difference between those two cases.


    Ishant Sharma - The greatest pace bowling legend

  4. #84
    Debut
    Sep 2006
    Runs
    3,396
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I can't imagine how the PCB is doing this.

    - Your captain basically committed the gravest disrespect to your nation
    - He almost destroyed one potential ATG career (Amir), and possibly has destroyed him
    - Put the finishing touches to another very likely ATG (Asif)
    - Gravely injured the reputation of Pakistan's cricket team
    - Committed the equivalent of spitting on your national flag (no other way of putting it), and
    - Refused to acknowledge his guilt until it became the only professional move he could make (I am almost certain he will take back his confession once he retires)

    And the PCB chairman is rumoured to have given him the go ahead to get back into the national team?

    For shame. For absolute shame. What are they thinking?

  5. #85
    Debut
    Apr 2010
    Runs
    2,293
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    You type as if this is the only poor series Amir has had.

    Tour of England- poor
    West Indies home series- average
    Tour of New Zealand- poor
    Tour of Australia- poor

    Amir has had 11 matches to reinvigorate his former self and has not been able to do so.

    Should fans tolerate Amir's inability to pick wickets? No. Nobody cares if he beat the bat on x occasions, the primary purpose of a bowler is to pick up wickets, which Amir has failed to fulfil.
    You fail to understand that you need to compare Amir to other Pak's pacer and as long as he's doing better than the others, he will be in Pak team.You may not like it but he's still or best pacer, our foreign coach openly criticize Sohail and Imran yet praises Amir, what does it means?
    If we can tolerate Sohail K and Irfan's fitness then we can surely tolerate Amir's lack of wkts too.

  6. #86
    Debut
    Dec 2009
    Runs
    12,404
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    I will also say one thing. Pakistan has saved and forgiven tainted players multiple times. They life banned Akhtar and over-turned. Asif was saved 4 times no. Not one single time have they ever benefited from forgiving a player. Either the player committed another bigger mistake or they never performed for the team. So selecting such players have not only created a bad name for Pakistan in the international cricket committee, the cricket team has never, ever seen a single benefit.

    Akhtar didn't come back and start winning matches. Asif came back and committed more crimes. Amir is not even performing. Your team and your reputation has never benefited one single time from forgiving anyone in the past. I doubt it will do again in the future but you keep repeating the same thing.
    When the trio were caught, Pakistan cricket had a chance to gain from it. We could have banned them for life, show the world we are against corruption, and discourage fixing happening in Pakistani cricket again. It was a positive thing they were caught, not negative, we should have been thanking NOTW for exposing them.

    Instead we took a soft stance, damaged our reputation, not really discouraged fixing with this soft penalty. In fact if you want to be a fixer, it's kind of showed the world best be a fixer in the pakistani cricket set up as they are the most lenient. These trio will be given a second chance in international cricket when many domestic players toll their whole life without getting a chance.

    The trio should have been given a second chance as anyone who committed a crime should. But not in international cricket. It's like a guy who worked for a company, robbed that company, and then after jail expecting his job back again.

    I don't feel like the rest of the cricketing world will be very accommodating for Butt. They can just about stomach Butt, but a spot fixing captain is too much. And it undoes a lot of the good work done by Misbah (regardless of what you think of him as a player or captain) and co who brought a bit of respectability to Pakistani cricket.

  7. #87
    Debut
    Dec 2009
    Runs
    12,404
    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I see....it is surprising why ECB/ICC went that route for trio. From what I have seen in PP over the years, many don't know why either.

    Would be nice if someone can post what is the difference between those two cases.
    Think the difference is Pak trio did fixing amongst themselves. It didn't hurt English cricket. Kaneria allegedly persuaded others to fix like Westfield. England didn't take too kindly to other players bringing fixing to their country/domestic set up. And think they wanted to set a precedent that foreign cricketers can not come to their country to play in their domestic set up to fix.

  8. #88
    Debut
    Aug 2013
    Venue
    Chennai
    Runs
    30,882
    Mentioned
    750 Post(s)
    Tagged
    10 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Think the difference is Pak trio did fixing amongst themselves. It didn't hurt English cricket. Kaneria allegedly persuaded others to fix like Westfield. England didn't take too kindly to other players bringing fixing to their country/domestic set up. And think they wanted to set a precedent that foreign cricketers can not come to their country to play in their domestic set up to fix.
    Makes sense.


    Ishant Sharma - The greatest pace bowling legend

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •