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    Hundreds of Indian Muslim girls in UP being forced into converting to Hinduism

    ISLAMABAD: Hundreds of Muslim girls are being forced into converting to Hinduism in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, according to media reports.

    Known as the resting place of the Buddha, Khushingar in UP is reporting an alarming number of cases where Muslim girls are being abducted and forced to convert to Hinduism by the BJP MP Yogi Adityanath’s Hindu Yuva Vahini.

    One of the forcibly converted Muslim girl, calls herself Ameesha Thakur, a name given by her husband Arvind. Just across the lane is Ameesha’s maternal grandparent’s house, where her family doesn’t even acknowledge her existence. Abducted three years ago when she was just 13 and now married to a Hindu and living as one, she is not their little Zubeida Khatun any more.

    “They made a public announcement in the panchayat that they will make her a Hindu. Now she is living like one, how can we accept this?” questions her uncle Abdullah.

    The reality is hard to accept for the family, which is one among the few Muslim families in the village. He alleges that their little girl was kidnapped by the powerful Thakur family and was forced to convert.

    According to the FIR filed by Zubeida’s family in 2013, Rameshwar Thakur and his sons Arvind and Nagin Thakur have been charged with kidnapping and compelling a young woman into marriage. According to the family, Rameshwar Singh’s friends in the HYV engineered Zubeida’s abduction.

    Between 2014 and October 2016, 389 cases of underage girls missing or kidnapped were registered by the district police. Superintendent of Police, Bharat Kumar Yadav says, “No parents would want their daughters to marry willingly. Sometimes these girls are underage or have no documents to prove their age, in such cases we take their statements in front of a district magistrate.”

    A fact finding report of the All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM) on Kushinagar found dozens of cases of rapes and forced kidnappings of young Muslim girls for religious conversion. The report, submitted to Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav in January 2016, blames `local goons of HYV’ for the atrocities.

    According to AIMMM President Mohammad Sulaiman, who believes all men accused of crimes have a connection with HYV, strong HYV influence and backwardness of the Muslim community in the region is a major factor behind the increasing number of cases.

    Almost one-fourth of India’s Muslim population lives in Uttar Pradesh. Within the state, 36% of the minority community is concentrated to the east. In Kushinagar, the Muslim population stands at a mere 16%.



    Source: http://tribune.com.pk/story/1298023/...ting-hinduism/


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    Sounds similar to situation of Hindus in Sindh...

    In any case, how is it possible to convert, or be converted to Hinduism? There is no outlined conversion process from what I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Sounds similar to situation of Hindus in Sindh...

    In any case, how is it possible to convert, or be converted to Hinduism? There is no outlined conversion process from what I understand.
    Nice attempt at deflection

    Shame sufferings of others is just point scoring

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    Sad thing,surely there were will be no smoke without fire,Muzzafarar nagar riots is an example about ground realities were being ignored but AIMMM preparing a report is like VHP-RSS preparing a report on love jehad has no credible value unless done by an NGO or Judicial committee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Nice attempt at deflection

    Shame sufferings of others is just point scoring
    Not an attempt at deflection.

    More of the fact that I have come to see that in the backwardness of the SC, these things have happened historically, and will continue to happen till education and growth reach the villages.

    Instead of looking through the lens of religion, its much more a case of the continous exploitation of the rich (or the more powerful) versus the poor. The article references the backwardness of the Muslims in UP - they are backward not because they are Muslims, but because historically, that section of society has always been backward, and just happen to be Muslim. The landed Muslim gentry of UP all left. You have a Thakor (land owner), exploiting the labourer.

    In Sindh, the middle class Hindu bania left en-masse, resulting in the vast majority of Sindh's Hindu population that remained being rural villagers. Again, you have the same exploitation taking place, with 'forced marriages/conversions' of poor Hindu girls.

    Its not point scoring, but referencing similar situations. People tend to get fiery when religion is involved, but simple truth is that it is a well enforced class barrier which is allowing these things to happen.

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    I think the main reason is the huge shortage of women in India due to female infanticide/selective abortions.

    There are now 10's of millions of young poor men unable to find brides. In rich states/families, they are resorting to buying brides from poorer regions while kidnapping/forcible marriage is going to increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HRP270 View Post
    I think the main reason is the huge shortage of women in India due to female infanticide/selective abortions.

    There are now 10's of millions of young poor men unable to find brides. In rich states/families, they are resorting to buying brides from poorer regions while kidnapping/forcible marriage is going to increase.
    Or is it more to do with BJP in power, paving the way for Hindutva right wingers to do as they please esp against Muslims?


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    No one can wipe out Islam . When there were handfuls of Muslims , they still remained despite strong opposition.

    Quran has been revealed by Allah swt and will prevail , no one can stop it . No matter how much they propagate and plan.

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    Any other source of this news ?
    There is no way indian media will let go an opportunity to report something like this . Looks like another "feel good " article for Pak public consumption .


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    Quote Originally Posted by jusarrived View Post
    Any other source of this news ?
    There is no way indian media will let go an opportunity to report something like this . Looks like another "feel good " article for Pak public consumption .
    From the Tribune? It's very much a critical news site as far as Pakistan is concerned, especially with regard to religion. Perhaps that is why this story has grabbed attention. The driving force behind this is none other than BJP MP Yogi Adityanath who has featured in conversion stories published in Indian news stories as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jusarrived View Post
    Any other source of this news ?
    There is no way indian media will let go an opportunity to report something like this . Looks like another "feel good " article for Pak public consumption .
    Known as the resting place of the Buddha, Kushinagar is reporting an alarming number of cases of Muslim girls being abducted and forced to convert to Hinduism. As Uttar Pradesh prepares for elections next month, Shweta Desai visits the volatile region to get the real picture of what is being called ‘reverse love jihad’
    (...)
    Between 2014 and October 2016, 389 cases of underage girls missing or kidnapped were registered by the district police. Superintendent of Police Bharat Kumar Yadav says, “No parents would want their daughters to marry willingly. Sometimes these girls are underage or have no documents to prove their age, in such cases we take their statements in front of a district magistrate. Some of them voluntarily choose to marry the opposite community,” Yadav added. A fact finding report of the All India Muslim Majlis-e-Mushawarat (AIMMM) on Kushinagar found dozens of cases of rapes and forced kidnappings of young Muslim girls for religious conversion. The report, submitted to Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav in January 2016 blames ‘local goons of HYV’ for the atrocities against girls.
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    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report...-in-up-2290453

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    Yeah did u read the complete article?
    My family is angry because I married a Hindu. Every couple has some problems, we also had some. I do everything as a Hindu, pray to god, fast and live as my in-laws tell me to do

    — Zubeida alias Ameesha Thakur, a convert


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    Adi Yoginath is a Saffron leader along with Praveen Togadia who are a big threat to India imo, two very dangerous people that are not held accountable on multiple instances of hate speech, although in UP/Bihar no one is ever held accountable for anything.

    Just another day someone took a selfie from a jail


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Adi Yoginath is a Saffron leader along with Praveen Togadia who are a big threat to India imo, two very dangerous people that are not held accountable on multiple instances of hate speech, although in UP/Bihar no one is ever held accountable for anything.

    Just another day someone took a selfie from a jail
    Adi Yoginath is an MP of your elected government. He's just delivering on the promises that the BJP gave to the people of India. If he's a threat to India, it's a self inflicted one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Adi Yoginath is an MP of your elected government. He's just delivering on the promises that the BJP gave to the people of India. If he's a threat to India, it's a self inflicted one.

    Yes and its similar along the lines of Tony Blair and Nixon, Brexit,getting one's own people killed happens across the world yes self inflicted one and no the guy didn't speak all that nonsense when he was becoming an MP as that time Modi's PM image could had been affected.

    One of our poster's here his grandfather was actually the MP from Gorakhpur long ago,sadly the whole area has turned right wing in last couple of decades.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Yeah did u read the complete article?
    So basically you take one odd girl and extrapolate it to potentially hundreds of cases involved.

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    I am surprised no Indian News outlet especially the Anti-BJP/Modi ones like NDTV have not made a ruckus about it.

    India should make a rule that if a couple from different religions marry, there should be no conversion. That will put an end to Love Jihad and Reverse Love Jihad.

    Sickening to see people convert their spouse for marriage. This Tamasha should end. Anyone who wants their spouse from different community to convert is not sincere in their love and they have bad motives from the beginning.

    Whatever happened to the news where Dalit and Tribal girls were getting abducted and getting married to the young men belonging to powerful families...

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    Hard to take this report seriously. Seems as true as the love-jihad stories that appeared a couple of years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I am surprised no Indian News outlet especially the Anti-BJP/Modi ones like NDTV have not made a ruckus about it.

    India should make a rule that if a couple from different religions marry, there should be no conversion. That will put an end to Love Jihad and Reverse Love Jihad.

    Sickening to see people convert their spouse for marriage. This Tamasha should end. Anyone who wants their spouse from different community to convert is not sincere in their love and they have bad motives from the beginning.

    Whatever happened to the news where Dalit and Tribal girls were getting abducted and getting married to the young men belonging to powerful families...
    Exactly. But then it will be projected as another anti-Muslim move by the "extremist" Hindu government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    So basically you take one odd girl and extrapolate it to potentially hundreds of cases involved.
    No ve already posted my thoughts on this,my point was on the article and about how AIMMM data is like believing VHP-RSS's data,my point was u nitpicked the text so i did the same.

    Data should be complete not bits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I am surprised no Indian News outlet especially the Anti-BJP/Modi ones like NDTV have not made a ruckus about it.

    India should make a rule that if a couple from different religions marry, there should be no conversion. That will put an end to Love Jihad and Reverse Love Jihad.

    Sickening to see people convert their spouse for marriage.
    There is no such thing as love jihad, it was a term invented by the Sikh community in Britain over alarm at Sikh girls marrying Muslims. How conversion has become a part of BJP religious policy is a mystery as I would have thought there would be no comparison to Islamic marriage law, but it seems to be an exact mirror other than it is given Hindu ceremonial status here. Very weird. It's almost like the Hindu scholars are studying Islamic laws and trying to mimic them through what can only be admiration.


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    Not a big deal, when a non-muslim marries into a Muslim family they are always forced to convert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thivagar View Post
    Not a big deal, when a non-muslim marries into a Muslim family they are always forced to convert.
    Presumably because all Muslim converts are kidnapped in their teens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    No ve already posted my thoughts on this,my point was on the article and about how AIMMM data is like believing VHP-RSS's data,my point was u nitpicked the text so i did the same.

    Data should be complete not bits.
    Huh no : I posted these "bits" to substantial the initial claims in OP, as per an Indian poster Indian media didn't mention all of this controversy. It appears that it did.

    Then you come up with a single testimony from a single girl as if it was supposed to overthrow the potential hundreds of cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thivagar View Post
    Not a big deal, when a non-muslim marries into a Muslim family they are always forced to convert.
    Not forced to convert, most non-Muslims convert for marriage and mainly cause they're not too uptight about their religion. Nobody would marry anybody here if they were forced to convert.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Adi Yoginath is a Saffron leader along with Praveen Togadia who are a big threat to India imo, two very dangerous people that are not held accountable on multiple instances of hate speech, although in UP/Bihar no one is ever held accountable for anything.

    Just another day someone took a selfie from a jail
    I won't be surprised if yoga adyianath ends up being the chief minister of uttar pradesh this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enkidu_ View Post
    Huh no : I posted these "bits" to substantial the initial claims in OP, as per an Indian poster Indian media didn't mention all of this controversy. It appears that it did.

    Then you come up with a single testimony from a single girl as if it was supposed to overthrow the potential hundreds of cases.
    Yeh that piece wasn't highlighted in Tribune or by AIMMM,there are multiple issues in that regard as well which u did the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain123 View Post
    I won't be surprised if yoga adyianath ends up being the chief minister of uttar pradesh this time around.
    Assuming its going to be Rajnath Singh and not this lad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Yeh that piece wasn't highlighted in Tribune or by AIMMM,there are multiple issues in that regard as well which u did the same.
    Do you actually measure the inanity of your process there ?

    You will always find a dissenting voice : in Pakistan where forced conversions of Sindhi Hindus happen what would you think if you post statistical evidence (like ET or that Indian news item) and I come up with one (converted Hindu) girl saying "no, that's an hoax" ?

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    I am from U.P. Originally so let me just say that it isn't really the best state to live if you are not rich.. As some poster said above this is more of a case of rich abusing the poor with religion involved.. You would not see them kidnapping and converting a rich Muslim girl just the poor ones without any voice..

    Same is the case in other areas where Muslim leaders exploit Hindu's but again poor Hindus and their girls..

    It's a sad thing, we deserve to be third world..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    Not forced to convert, most non-Muslims convert for marriage and mainly cause they're not too uptight about their religion. Nobody would marry anybody here if they were forced to convert.
    Quote Originally Posted by the SHA View Post
    Presumably because all Muslim converts are kidnapped in their teens?
    This article is fake as it can get. Not reliable enough considering no one in India has brought this up. Anti BJP parties would have been the first to capitalize on this opportunity.

    You think they are given the option to convert ? Heck no. You yourself know that they are forced to convert or forget the person.

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    So Yogi Adityanath is going to be the CM of UP?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Assuming its going to be Rajnath Singh and not this lad.
    Egg on my face!


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    So Yogi Adityanath is going to be the CM of UP?
    Incredible really that they have selected a man of his calibre.
    Last edited by Muhammad10; 18th March 2017 at 15:12.

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    No surprises.

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    Shame on BJP for selecting this Adityanath. He is no Yogi. He is a thug pretending as a sadhu.

    I hope BJP gets booted out next time for this atrocious selection.

    Aren't there any other candidates? Really disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain123 View Post
    I won't be surprised if yoga adyianath ends up being the chief minister of uttar pradesh this time around.
    I hope you are not surprised.

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    We have selected a Priest as CM ,so hard to digest that as an Indian citizen,i try not to let politics bother me but WTH is this.


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    In my book yogi adityanath is miles miles better than modi.now only he has to be rebrand himself as a man of "development" and all is forgiven.anyways that people of u.p asked for it so it is only fitting that he clings on the cm's post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain123 View Post
    In my book yogi adityanath is miles miles better than modi.now only he has to be rebrand himself as a man of "development" and all is forgiven.anyways that people of u.p asked for it so it is only fitting that he clings on the cm's post.
    BJP is in power even in MP and Chattisgarh and have done wonders there,I can personally talk about many good things that happened in Raipur,Bilaspur,Bhilai in last decade with moderate leaders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Shame on BJP for selecting this Adityanath. He is no Yogi. He is a thug pretending as a sadhu.

    I hope BJP gets booted out next time for this atrocious selection.

    Aren't there any other candidates? Really disgusting.
    Dream on.Hindutva is on rise in this part of the world and the guy is extremely popular among masses with special appeal to the youth.It's a masterstroke from Shah and Modi.


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    Interesting times ahead.. let's see how it goes, can't be worse than the previous SP and BSP regimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Dream on.Hindutva is on rise in this part of the world and the guy is extremely popular among masses with special appeal to the youth.It's a masterstroke from Shah and Modi.
    How is appealing to extreme right wing a master stroke? Is he the same guy who once said Shahrukh Khan is the same as hafeez saeed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    How is appealing to extreme right wing a master stroke? Is he the same guy who once said Shahrukh Khan is the same as hafeez saeed?
    Around 75% population of state is Hindu and this step is taken keeping in mind of that factor.The consequences are going to be huge.Good or bad, only time will tell .


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    My heartiest congratulations to Indian ppers .....


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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    Around 75% population of state is Hindu and this step is taken keeping in mind of that factor.The consequences are going to be huge.Good or bad, only time will tell .
    The Hindus in UP want extreme right wing? That is a frightening thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    The Hindus in UP want extreme right wing? That is a frightening thought.
    Communal tension has been on a rise in UP. The insecurities over forceful conversion to Islam and Muslims taking over must have played a part.

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    Watch this:



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    Crazy is becoming the new normal in World politics!
    Next generation is going to curse us for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Communal tension has been on a rise in UP. The insecurities over forceful conversion to Islam and Muslims taking over must have played a part.
    Where and when did this forceful conversion to Islam take place which would give the citizens of UP such concerns?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Where and when did this forceful conversion to Islam take place which would give the citizens of UP such concerns?
    In UP, Muslim girls marrying Hindus against the will of family or vice versa is projected as forced conversion as it gives families an excuse to save face. This thread is a perfect example of what I am referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    In UP, Muslim girls marrying Hindus against the will of family or vice versa is projected as forced conversion as it gives families an excuse to save face. This thread is a perfect example of what I am referring to.
    Interesting that you chose to portray a girl making her own choice as to who she marries as forced conversion. No wonder you have influential people who think it is okay to get on stage and encourage rape of minority women.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Interesting that you chose to portray a girl making her own choice as to who she marries as forced conversion. No wonder you have influential people who think it is okay to get on stage and encourage rape of minority women.
    Unfortunate that you chose not to understand what I said, and instead came up with a senseless reply.

    Read what I said, and then read the thread title. It is not me projecting these marriages as forced conversions, but the media and affected families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Communal tension has been on a rise in UP. The insecurities over forceful conversion to Islam and Muslims taking over must have played a part.
    Seems quite self explanatory to me. They are your words not mine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Seems quite self explanatory to me. They are your words not mine.
    You have been commenting on this thread that portrays these marriages as "forced conversions", and yet it only occurred you now as to what this phrase implies in Indian politics?

    UP has certain phrases like "Love Jihad" or "forced conversions" reserved that project these marriages as a war of religion. Misplaced or not, the fear leading to votes going a certain direction indeed is "forced conversions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    You have been commenting on this thread that portrays these marriages as "forced conversions", and yet it only occurred you now as to what this phrase implies in Indian politics?

    UP has certain phrases like "Love Jihad" or "forced conversions" reserved that project these marriages as a war of religion. Misplaced or not, the fear leading to votes going a certain direction indeed is "forced conversions".
    It says a lot about "Indian politics" that a girl marrying a Muslim by choice should be seen as a forced conversion. Apologies for not grasping this subtle interpretation of the term forced conversion.


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    Modi is the only reason BJP won in UP. Ask any common person in UP why did they vote in favour of BJP, there only answer will be MODI.
    Indian public should understand that not every one in BJP is like Modi there are also goons like Yogi infact uneducated crazy goons are much more in number in BJP compared to any other party, influence of RSS only makes the matter worse.
    If in a constituency a candidate of SP is better than his BJP counterpart, people should vote for him. In this elections this did not happen. People only voted in favour of BJP because of Modi. They should remember that Modi is not going to leave his 'PM ki kursi" for UP.
    Modi is a very good PM, I agree. But Akhilesh would have proved a much better CM than Yogi Adityanath had he won.

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    Adityanath will make sure that forced conversions will now accelerate at an even faster rate. Of course they will be wrapped up as "ghar wapsi" and what not.


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    Is there a non pakistani source for the OP?

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    Never understood the hype around these conversions.

    If someone converts from one religion to another, the person still remains the same. His face, color, height, weight all still remain the same. Nothing changes except for his name and the way he prays.

    Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Sikh or Jain - once an Indian, always an Indian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Never understood the hype around these conversions.

    If someone converts from one religion to another, the person still remains the same. His face, color, height, weight all still remain the same. Nothing changes except for his name and the way he prays.

    Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Sikh or Jain - once an Indian, always an Indian.
    I also dont understand why people change their nationality, the person still remains the same. Only his passport and geography changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    BJP is in power even in MP and Chattisgarh and have done wonders there,I can personally talk about many good things that happened in Raipur,Bilaspur,Bhilai in last decade with moderate leaders.
    Right.but development at the cost of what?that needs to be pondered over.

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    The new guy made Chief Minister in UP...

    watching some of his videos: ''Muslim women should be raped after being dug from graves'' ''they will kill one we will kill hundreds'' ''where there are 20-30% Muslims then they make sure there is no space for non-Muslims''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    The new guy made Chief Minister in UP...

    watching some of his videos: ''Muslim women should be raped after being dug from graves'' ''they will kill one we will kill hundreds'' ''where there are 20-30% Muslims then they make sure there is no space for non-Muslims''
    A big political party like BJP isn't gonna self destruct themselves by appointing someone who would make them look like idiots , would they ?
    Considering they have given a CM position to this person and the fact that BJP was voted in the state indicates. this wouldn't be a debacle. Let's see how it pans out ....many times the ones who look the most threatening aren't the ones to be scared of .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    A big political party like BJP isn't gonna self destruct themselves by appointing someone who would make them look like idiots , would they ?
    Considering they have given a CM position to this person and the fact that BJP was voted in the state indicates. this wouldn't be a debacle. Let's see how it pans out ....many times the ones who look the most threatening aren't the ones to be scared of .
    Might as well appoint neo-Nazis back in key positions in the Western world then. What a ridiculous statement.

    I despise Pakistanis voting in or supporting ethnic-hatred-stirring morons. This guy in UP is an ardent hate monger. Some of his comments, on camera not rumors, are unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Might as well appoint neo-Nazis back in key positions in the Western world then. What a ridiculous statement.

    I despise Pakistanis voting in or supporting ethnic-hatred-stirring morons. This guy in UP is an ardent hate monger. Some of his comments, on camera not rumors, are unbelievable.
    Quite a contrast from NeoNazi's - Hitler or his campaign was built upon the Nazi Ideology - BJP's is not.
    NeoNazi ideology was the key reason for them becoming powerful - The new CM is not the head of the nation nor does he make the ideology.
    BJP as a political party won in the state because of his manifesto and leadership and what the party stands for. The new CM by being in the spotlight has a bigger responsibility on his head. His comment's which may seem extremist to you may not be isolation - If you look closely I can present you many hate mongering , religious extremist views in India from every religion , some of the ministers in UP from a different parry had made very derogatory comments in the past as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    Quite a contrast from NeoNazi's - Hitler or his campaign was built upon the Nazi Ideology - BJP's is not.
    NeoNazi ideology was the key reason for them becoming powerful - The new CM is not the head of the nation nor does he make the ideology.
    BJP as a political party won in the state because of his manifesto and leadership and what the party stands for. The new CM by being in the spotlight has a bigger responsibility on his head. His comment's which may seem extremist to you may not be isolation - If you look closely I can present you many hate mongering , religious extremist views in India from every religion , some of the ministers in UP from a different parry had made very derogatory comments in the past as well.
    This guy made a statement in 2011 that he will not rest till India is all Hindu. BJP may not have a Nazi ideology is no excuse. Labour or any other party in UK does not have a Nazi ideology, should it start accepting neo-Nazis by using your logic that ''many times the ones who look the most threatening aren't the ones to be scared of''?

    The guy has threatened Muslims with rape, killings and has been arrested for hate-mongering numerous times, so I am not inventing his character. India is a place where there are millions of intelligent, educated, non-bigoted people. And this is what BJP come up with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    This guy made a statement in 2011 that he will not rest till India is all Hindu. BJP may not have a Nazi ideology is no excuse. Labour or any other party in UK does not have a Nazi ideology, should it start accepting neo-Nazis by using your logic that ''many times the ones who look the most threatening aren't the ones to be scared of''?

    The guy has threatened Muslims with rape, killings and has been arrested for hate-mongering numerous times, so I am not inventing his character. India is a place where there are millions of intelligent, educated, non-bigoted people. And this is what BJP come up with?
    India is also the same place where we have Muslim war monger's causing religious extremism in the masses. Do not see one side of the coin - India has been thriving quite well despite of it's religious minorities so don't make it sound like BJP promotes a NeoNazi ideology.
    How often are the minorities , Hindu's and Christians are threatened in Pakistan ? What about the atrocities against them ? In India our tolerance for this behaviour is quite low and if you are interested in Indian politics , look at the Muslim seats in UP and BJP won in those seats - the population did not have reservations to let themselves be heard.
    Azam Khan, you have heard of him from SP has made some very polite statements in the past , I'll run past by you in case you have missed them - "Mobile phones are responsible for rape of Minors" , "RSS volunteers are homosexuals" - So political leaders are gems everywhere. None of the minorities are being threatened by the new CM or BJP as a political party as evident by their continous support - If Muslims , whom enjoy quite a safe and proud establishment in the nation were any bit concerned , Congress would have won hands down who tries to play appeasement politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    India is also the same place where we have Muslim war monger's causing religious extremism in the masses. Do not see one side of the coin - India has been thriving quite well despite of it's religious minorities so don't make it sound like BJP promotes a NeoNazi ideology.
    How often are the minorities , Hindu's and Christians are threatened in Pakistan ? What about the atrocities against them ? In India our tolerance for this behaviour is quite low and if you are interested in Indian politics , look at the Muslim seats in UP and BJP won in those seats - the population did not have reservations to let themselves be heard.
    Azam Khan, you have heard of him from SP has made some very polite statements in the past , I'll run past by you in case you have missed them - "Mobile phones are responsible for rape of Minors" , "RSS volunteers are homosexuals" - So political leaders are gems everywhere. None of the minorities are being threatened by the new CM or BJP as a political party as evident by their continous support - If Muslims , whom enjoy quite a safe and proud establishment in the nation were any bit concerned , Congress would have won hands down who tries to play appeasement politics.
    What is the point about bringing Pakistan in it when I have criticised Pakistan for the same thing in my first post?

    It doesn't matter if Muslims feel safe or not. Muslims feel safein UK too, as I have lived there. Yet if Labour or Con made a black-hating, an anti-semite, anti-Islamophobe person a minister there would be uproar. Not only in UK but in any civilised world.

    ''Rape dead Muslim women, drag them out of their graves''
    ''I will not rest till all India is hindu''
    'Wherever there are more than 35% Muslims it becomes unbearable''
    ''If they kill one we will kill hundreds, if they rape one we will rape hundreds''

    Some of his quotes, on top of being arrested for ethnic-rioting and hate-mongering not only himself but also the militant youth organisation he founded which has been charged numerous times for rioting.

    Based on the above, I am curious to know which ideology is this guy promoting? Maybe you'd like to enlighten me.

    As for other leaders, make a thread and I'll call them out as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    What is the point about bringing Pakistan in it when I have criticised Pakistan for the same thing in my first post?

    It doesn't matter if Muslims feel safe or not. Muslims feel safein UK too, as I have lived there. Yet if Labour or Con made a black-hating, an anti-semite, anti-Islamophobe person a minister there would be uproar. Not only in UK but in any civilised world.

    ''Rape dead Muslim women, drag them out of their graves''
    ''I will not rest till all India is hindu''
    'Wherever there are more than 35% Muslims it becomes unbearable''
    ''If they kill one we will kill hundreds, if they rape one we will rape hundreds''

    Some of his quotes, on top of being arrested for ethnic-rioting and hate-mongering not only himself but also the militant youth organisation he founded which has been charged numerous times for rioting.

    Based on the above, I am curious to know which ideology is this guy promoting? Maybe you'd like to enlighten me.

    As for other leaders, make a thread and I'll call them out as well.
    My point is
    1 - After the longest time BJP has turned out to be the most decisive party in the country. For a nation which has always been fighting and playing appeasement politics to sway the minority vote, one party has stepped out of it and focused on agenda and goals.
    2 - Modi, feared himself to be an ultra-nationalist has turned out to be a cohesive leader himself. His mantra hasn't been divide and rule the masses based upon national interests. He has gained himself the respect from his contemporaries for his advocation of anti minority politics.
    3 - The UP CM does not create the values and ideology of BJP - a national party is much bigger than him. This isn't done as an experiment to bring him in but to align the broken political and dvided scenario by scums like BSP/SP/Congress in UP to be unified under the banner.
    4 - Statements cannot be taken in Isolation / I'm not contemplating the fact whether he made those statements or not - but statements are also made in response to some other statements. When ministers like Azam Khan / Owaisi make inflammtory and deregatory statements against the nation/soldiers/Hindu's - what do you expect ? Like I said, don't point at your gun at him - you are quite knowledgeable in Indian politics then you should be quite aware of other inflammatory statements made by other political statesmen as well. In countries like India and Pakistan , statements high on emotional fervor and jargon would always garner attention, just because this individual made statements against Muslims, it may pinch you more but atleast in the Indian political scenario , statements towards any religion/caste/profession are sensationalized on quite a regular basis.
    Regardless of what ideology he may have been promoting/responding to - as a CM of a state - state welfare should be his biggest concern and how he does in that needs to be seen.

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    Best thing about Yogi becoming the CM is that the fringe hindu patriots are now mainstream, and the liberal fascists are fringe elements now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleaf27 View Post
    My point is
    1 - After the longest time BJP has turned out to be the most decisive party in the country. For a nation which has always been fighting and playing appeasement politics to sway the minority vote, one party has stepped out of it and focused on agenda and goals.
    2 - Modi, feared himself to be an ultra-nationalist has turned out to be a cohesive leader himself. His mantra hasn't been divide and rule the masses based upon national interests. He has gained himself the respect from his contemporaries for his advocation of anti minority politics.
    3 - The UP CM does not create the values and ideology of BJP - a national party is much bigger than him. This isn't done as an experiment to bring him in but to align the broken political and dvided scenario by scums like BSP/SP/Congress in UP to be unified under the banner.
    4 - Statements cannot be taken in Isolation / I'm not contemplating the fact whether he made those statements or not - but statements are also made in response to some other statements. When ministers like Azam Khan / Owaisi make inflammtory and deregatory statements against the nation/soldiers/Hindu's - what do you expect ? Like I said, don't point at your gun at him - you are quite knowledgeable in Indian politics then you should be quite aware of other inflammatory statements made by other political statesmen as well. In countries like India and Pakistan , statements high on emotional fervor and jargon would always garner attention, just because this individual made statements against Muslims, it may pinch you more but atleast in the Indian political scenario , statements towards any religion/caste/profession are sensationalized on quite a regular basis.
    Regardless of what ideology he may have been promoting/responding to - as a CM of a state - state welfare should be his biggest concern and how he does in that needs to be seen.
    Your points are fair, however it still shows how far behind every society is compared to Western democracies. And, I include Pakistan in it where every lying statement is termed 'political' whenever uncomfortable questions are asked, there should be zero-tolerance for race-hate esp in countries who are officially secular. Like India is. India has hundreds of millions of Muslims, unless there is a precedent set then anyone can go and say garbage without consequence. As for me, I don't believe in religion much, any minority targeted bothers me. Whether its in USA, UK, Pakistan or India. You'll see me commenting about minorities in Pakistan too whenever a thread is made, and I have in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Your points are fair, however it still shows how far behind every society is compared to Western democracies. And, I include Pakistan in it where every lying statement is termed 'political' whenever uncomfortable questions are asked, there should be zero-tolerance for race-hate esp in countries who are officially secular. Like India is. India has hundreds of millions of Muslims, unless there is a precedent set then anyone can go and say garbage without consequence. As for me, I don't believe in religion much, any minority targeted bothers me. Whether its in USA, UK, Pakistan or India. You'll see me commenting about minorities in Pakistan too whenever a thread is made, and I have in the past.
    I agree with you bud, I'm against the minority card/political gain as well. Modi has done unexpectedly well in the time he has been the PM and gained respect, now with the platform given to the current CM , let's see if he can set a good example and work well for his state.

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