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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I am sorry Bhaag Viru Bhaag.

    Your criticism of IPL and us losing home advantage due to IPL looks like a massive case of confirmation bias.

    Make a turner and let's see how many of these so called foreigners compete with us in test, ODI or even T20.

    Sure, they may have gained some experience and advantage but its only for flattish tracks. On turners, I don't see anyone barring a select few players improving.

    And to blame IPL for old timers playing in this game is bizarre logic really.

    I couldn't disagree more with you reg this topic.
    So who are your IPL rockstars that are going to set the world on fire? Name them please. Selectors choose the best possible XI. They have to go back to players like Yuvi, Raina and Nehra because there are hardly any players to replace them. If there are players please list them here.

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    When we tested new players, heres what we have found till now:

    Rahul has potential but if he doesn't get his act right, he needs to be dropped to make him get his head straight.
    Pandey is untrustworthy as hell. This is something that's constant in his career but I thought he could improve in this reg but he hasn't. Needs to be discarded. He could very well smash a clutch knock but you never get the sure feeling with him.
    Jadhav has shown serious potential.
    Gurukeerat failed but he wasn't tested properly.
    Pandya the bat is a hack and only God knows if he can turn into a proper bat.

    Need to test more players.

    Unless you try, you won't know.

    Uthappa deserves some chances imho but he too is a bit of a untrustworthy case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I don't mind players sucking if they are new and given chances.

    Its the oldies that get to me.

    For years, people said where is Dhoni's replacement as finisher?

    We may not yet have one but that ONE statement has taken away Jadhav's productive years.

    Same arguments was made for Dhoni the test captain.

    Who is the replacement is the worst argument ever. Cop out really.

    If someone is poor for a long time, you replace them and try to find solution.
    How can u blame ipl if youngsters like pant, kuldeep are not picked and u play oldies like yuvi, dhoni, nehra? What is india going to gain by continuing to play them instead of youngsters?

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    It truly is a batsman's game. Moeen robbed of MOTM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Every thing is ipl's fault according to bhaag veeru bhag bhai. Its not the over hill players like yuvi, dhoni, nehra but just ipl
    According to you who should replace them? Dhawan? Rahane? Parthiv Patel? Murali Vijay? Manpreet gony? Sreenath Arvind? Go ahead.

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    I am praying for india to have an ignominous exit in champions trophy so that dead wood like dhoni, yuvi will be banished for ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    So who are your IPL rockstars that are going to set the world on fire? Name them please. Selectors choose the best possible XI. They have to go back to players like Yuvi, Raina and Nehra because there are hardly any players to replace them. If there are players please list them here.
    See my post #164

    This whole argument of who can set the world on fire is flawed too.

    Who predicted Jadhav would pawn international team like England? But he did.

    You gotta test mate.

    Here's our pool from which bats can be selected (others can add in names):

    Rahul, Pant, Uthappa, Gurukeerat Singh, Mayank Agarwal, Manish Pandey, Manan Vohra, Jadhav, Surya Kumar Yadav, etc

    Some of the above players WILL be duds. Make no mistake about it.

    But some will show their class. Even if they don't, as long as we keep testing, we will find the right personnel.

    Expecting laddus to fall on your lap is what we have been doing.

    Makes me sick how much we destroyed Jadhav's career because of this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    According to you who should replace them? Dhawan? Rahane? Parthiv Patel? Murali Vijay? Manpreet gony? Sreenath Arvind? Go ahead.
    Please tell me what is india going to acheive in future by picking this oldies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Lmao Indian's slitting wrists after one defeat..
    It isn't the loss, but the team. Makes no sense to rest your key players only to bring back oldies. I would take 3 losses gladly if it means trying out some promising youngsters.

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    India deserve to lose this after selecting this hack of a team.

    Rahul should concentrate on Tests. He is too brittle to play all 3 formats anyway.
    Pandya should never play for India until he develops some skills with both bat and ball.
    Nehra should have retired 5 years ago. Why the heck is he still playing?
    Pandey has lost it completely. He never got a consistent run.
    Yuvraj - Please stick to ODI's or retire.

    Time to blood in Pant/Hooda/Sarfraz/Jadhav in this T20 format.

    Rohit should be opening along with Nayar or Someone. Kohli should always come 1 down.

    Raina is still an asset in T20 cricket. He should stay.
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    we have won 36 out of 58 T20 s played outside India, staggering record and we have lost 11 out o 20 games played at home, an eye opening stat

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    haha never mind, thought that bankable player rubbish was MOTM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Lmao Indian's slitting wrists after one defeat..
    Not wrist slitting cos I am sure not one Indian is bothered about this meaningless loss.

    As cliched as it may sound: India has real talent in LOI.

    Atleast in the batting department except power hitters. But shocking selections are harming us.

    We are still wasting time with Rahane in ODIs and Dhawan in T20s. As if that wasn't enough, now we have to work with over the hill Yuvi and Dhoni.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    How can u blame ipl if youngsters like pant, kuldeep are not picked and u play oldies like yuvi, dhoni, nehra? What is india going to gain by continuing to play them instead of youngsters?
    We all know Kuldeep has potential but no...let's waste time and screw around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    India deserve to lose this after selecting this hack of a team.

    Rahul should concentrate on Tests. He is too brittle to play all 3 formats anyway.
    Pandya should never play for India until he develops some skills with both bat and ball.
    Nehra should have retired 5 years ago. Why the heck is he still playing?
    Pandey has lost it completely. He never got a consistent run.
    Yuvraj - Please stick to ODI's or retire.

    Time to blood in Pant/Hooda/Sarfraz/Jadhav in this T20 format.

    Rohit should be opening along with Nayar or Someone. Kohli should always come 1 down.

    Raina is still an asset in T20 cricket. He should stay.

    Good post but why mention Pandya, he was still the best bowler out today,used his brain and did not give hit me balls on a wicket which became easy batting second, why this hate, one need not look good but the results matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    See my post #164

    This whole argument of who can set the world on fire is flawed too.

    Who predicted Jadhav would pawn international team like England? But he did.

    You gotta test mate.

    Here's our pool from which bats can be selected (others can add in names):

    Rahul, Pant, Uthappa, Gurukeerat Singh, Mayank Agarwal, Manish Pandey, Manan Vohra, Jadhav, Surya Kumar Yadav, etc

    Some of the above players WILL be duds. Make no mistake about it.

    But some will show their class. Even if they don't, as long as we keep testing, we will find the right personnel.

    Expecting laddus to fall on your lap is what we have been doing.

    Makes me sick how much we destroyed Jadhav's career because of this.
    Exactly we have to try new players and see who will succeed and not rehash washed out players like dhoni, yuvi, nehra

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    Quote Originally Posted by joly View Post
    Good post but why mention Pandya, he was still the best bowler out today,used his brain and did not give hit me balls on a wicket which became easy batting second, why this hate, one need not look good but the results matter
    Pandya is selected based on his batting skills too which at the point are non-existent. If we are selecting him for his bowling skills, then select BK who is a better bowler even if he bowls with his one hand tied up his back.

    Pandya is not providing any balance to the batting unit. He plays brainless slogs. He cannot hit any thing bowled in excess of 130k's. Looks awkward. Can't even rotate strike. Just wastes balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Please tell me what is india going to acheive in future by picking this oldies?
    You are the one who has been jumping in each and every thread against Dhoni so you should be the one to know about his replacement more than anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Pandya is selected based on his batting skills too which at the point are non-existent. If we are selecting him for his bowling skills, then select BK who is a better bowler even if he bowls with his one hand tied up his back.

    Pandya is not providing any balance to the batting unit. He plays brainless slogs. He cannot hit any thing bowled in excess of 130k's. Looks awkward. Can't even rotate strike. Just wastes balls.
    he has a strike rate of 119 in Odis,128 in T20Is a bowling strike rate of 34 and 18 in T20Is

    so what he looks like a hack with the bat, he has done what no all-rounder has done for India. Give the kid a break,blind hatred is not good

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    We deserve the loss! T20 is to try youngsters and not 'build' the team...win or loss doesn't matter that much (except WT20)...so give the IPL youngsters a go...

    Dhoni and Yuvi are misfits in T20...

    Raina still has it in for T20's for at least 2 years (provided Yuvi and Dhoni go)

    Nehra selection is laughable...

    And Finally get some unorthodox players in the game and do some radical things and no hold barrel approach....

    - open with a spinner for a change

    - Bumrah to bowl 4 overs on a trot from over no. 13

    - send pandya up the order with a license to kill

    - send dhoni for last 2-3 overs- hit or get out ( don't waste overs)

    - Get some T20 specialists in as soon as possible...no need to look beyond these players for ODI...if they are good, they will graduate to next level...

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    Quote Originally Posted by deep82 View Post
    We deserve the loss! T20 is to try youngsters and not 'build' the team...win or loss doesn't matter that much (except WT20)...so give the IPL youngsters a go...

    Dhoni and Yuvi are misfits in T20...

    Raina still has it in for T20's for at least 2 years (provided Yuvi and Dhoni go)

    Nehra selection is laughable...

    And Finally get some unorthodox players in the game and do some radical things and no hold barrel approach....

    - open with a spinner for a change

    - Bumrah to bowl 4 overs on a trot from over no. 13

    - send pandya up the order with a license to kill

    - send dhoni for last 2-3 overs- hit or get out ( don't waste overs)

    - Get some T20 specialists in as soon as possible...no need to look beyond these players for ODI...if they are good, they will graduate to next level...
    excellent post, however I feel Dhoni will never be a crunch T20 player, hope he hangs his boots from T20s,he can still play ODIs, Nehra did well till world T20 but now he will never be able to stick around till 2018 World T20, so he should retire gracefully, it was good till it lasted.

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    When you try youngsters, you automatically build team in the long run.


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    It seems IPL is*benefiting players of other countries*more than players of India


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    K pandya, nitish rana, kuldeep yadav, kedar Jadhav, sarfaraz khan, rishabh pant, Sanju Samson, and many many more to be tested for t20.And certain poster says we don't have any better options than yuvraj,dhoni,nehra,raina etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    K pandya, nitish rana, kuldeep yadav, kedar Jadhav, sarfaraz khan, rishabh pant, Sanju Samson, and many many more to be tested for t20.And certain poster says we don't have any better options than yuvraj,dhoni,nehra,raina etc
    Forgot this guy.

    Yeah him too.

    Attitude needs fixing but a talent nonetheless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    See my post #164

    This whole argument of who can set the world on fire is flawed too.

    Who predicted Jadhav would pawn international team like England? But he did.

    You gotta test mate.

    Here's our pool from which bats can be selected (others can add in names):

    Rahul, Pant, Uthappa, Gurukeerat Singh, Mayank Agarwal, Manish Pandey, Manan Vohra, Jadhav, Surya Kumar Yadav, etc

    Some of the above players WILL be duds. Make no mistake about it.

    But some will show their class. Even if they don't, as long as we keep testing, we will find the right personnel.

    Expecting laddus to fall on your lap is what we have been doing.

    Makes me sick how much we destroyed Jadhav's career because of this.
    Let's wait before jadhav plays outside India first. Most of the players you named have got some opportunities already. Uthappa is an oldie too just like Yuvi and Dhoni. Fact is our LOI performances in India have been poor recently. We were lucky to reach the semi final of T20 world cup too thanks to mushfiqar. Are these players ready to score 300 plus scores 7 out of 10 times? You are expecting selectors to drop 4-5 players at once which is not going to happen at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deep82 View Post
    We deserve the loss! T20 is to try youngsters and not 'build' the team...win or loss doesn't matter that much (except WT20)...so give the IPL youngsters a go...

    Dhoni and Yuvi are misfits in T20...

    Raina still has it in for T20's for at least 2 years (provided Yuvi and Dhoni go)

    Nehra selection is laughable...

    And Finally get some unorthodox players in the game and do some radical things and no hold barrel approach....

    - open with a spinner for a change

    - Bumrah to bowl 4 overs on a trot from over no. 13

    - send pandya up the order with a license to kill

    - send dhoni for last 2-3 overs- hit or get out ( don't waste overs)

    - Get some T20 specialists in as soon as possible...no need to look beyond these players for ODI...if they are good, they will graduate to next level...
    Totally agree with this.

    We just do not test youngsters. Instead we go back to has been oldies when resting main players like Ashwin/Jaddu/Rohit(injured).

    Jadhav/Pant/Sarfraz/Hooda/Kuldeep should have been given a go along with Rasool & Chahal. Nothing wrong in losing these meaningless T20's when playing youngsters.

    This was the time to test young guys and instead we waste every opportunity to try out young talent. Just look at England or Aus or SA and see how they blood in talented youngsters and see how many of them can swim or sink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You are the one who has been jumping in each and every thread against Dhoni so you should be the one to know about his replacement more than anyone.
    There is a certain player called rishab pant u might have heard but why try him if we can play oldies and lay the blame on ipl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Let's wait before jadhav plays outside India first. Most of the players you named have got some opportunities already. Uthappa is an oldie too just like Yuvi and Dhoni. Fact is our LOI performances in India have been poor recently. We were lucky to reach the semi final of T20 world cup too thanks to mushfiqar. Are these players ready to score 300 plus scores 7 out of 10 times? You are expecting selectors to drop 4-5 players at once which is not going to happen at all.
    Run of the mill responses.

    A certain player succeeded? Well, let's see in overseas.

    Uthappa is doing well? Can't be tried cos he too is oldie. But then so is Jadhav and unlike Dhoni, Yuvi, he hasn't gone over the hill yet.

    Can these new players score 300 runs 7 out of 10 times? Well, we won't test them so let's go with the default answer of no. This is inspite of Jadhav heloing a 350 chase with Kohli, Manish finishing a 300 chase in Aus and Jadhav almost closing out a 330 chase on a bouncy pitch where the ball did a bit.

    Can't drop 4-5 players at once? But team was lucky enough to go to World T20 SF (which I 100% agree by the way).

    Step back. Take a deep breath. Think for a second.

    So what if Jadhav flops overseas?

    So what if our newcomers flop and our team sucks?

    What's the harm in trying new players as current LOI team is not doing wonders anyway.

    Great teams are built on the back of long term thinking.
    Last edited by sensible-indian-fan; 26th January 2017 at 15:01.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    There is a certain player called rishab pant u might have heard but why try him if we can play oldies and lay the blame on ipl
    His time will come let him play few seasons first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Run of the mill response.

    A certain player succeeded? Well, let's see in overseas.

    Uthappa is doing well? Can't be tried cos he too is oldie. But then so is Jadhav and unlike Dhoni, Yuvi, he hasn't gone over the hill yet.

    Can these new players score 300 runs 7 out of 10 times? Well, we won't test them so let's go with the default answer of no. This is inspite of Jadhav heloing a 350 chase with Kohli, Manish finishing a 300 chase in Aus and Jadhav almost closing out a 330 chase on a bouncy pitch where the ball did a bit.

    Can't drop 4-5 players at once? But team was lucky enough to go to World T20 SF (which I 100% agree by the way).

    Step back. Take a deep breath. Think for a second.

    So what if Jadhav flops overseas?

    So what if our newcomers flop and our team sucks?

    What's the harm in trying new players as current LOI team is not doing wonders anyway.

    Great teams are built on the back of long term thinking.
    According to you what should be our playing eleven against Pakistan in the champions trophy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Forgot this guy.

    Yeah him too.

    Attitude needs fixing but a talent nonetheless.
    I tell you even nitish rana is a fantastic batsman.You will see this year in IPL.He will get more chances.We can carry one or two poor fielders in the team at least in t20 if they do their main work brilliantly.

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    @sensible-indian-fan I am talking about both the LOI teams here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You are the one who has been jumping in each and every thread against Dhoni so you should be the one to know about his replacement more than anyone.
    Just because u think there is no replacement we should continue with that hack dhoni who is a dismal failure in t 20s and stop the progress of players like pant. What has dhoni done in his entire t 20 career? Not even a single 50 and a strike rate of 115? If u think this kind of numbers are not replacable then dont blame ipl for not playing pant instead this hack dhoni

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    His time will come let him play few seasons first.
    U havent replied to my question? What is india going to acheive by picking dhoni, yuvi and nehra if we r going to lose anyway with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    K pandya, nitish rana, kuldeep yadav, kedar Jadhav, sarfaraz khan, rishabh pant, Sanju Samson, and many many more to be tested for t20.And certain poster says we don't have any better options than yuvraj,dhoni,nehra,raina etc
    When you talk about certain poster you should tag him/her in that post. Your list is bookmarked. According to you these guys are better than Yuvi, Dhoni, Nehra and Raina?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    U havent replied to my question? What is india going to acheive by picking dhoni, yuvi and nehra if we r going to lose anyway with them?
    I was the one who asked you first. Tell me their replacements first. You will get your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    K pandya, nitish rana, kuldeep yadav, kedar Jadhav, sarfaraz khan, rishabh pant, Sanju Samson, and many many more to be tested for t20.And certain poster says we don't have any better options than yuvraj,dhoni,nehra,raina etc
    Absolutely. Rehash the same players and blame ipl for everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Just because u think there is no replacement we should continue with that hack dhoni who is a dismal failure in t 20s and stop the progress of players like pant. What has dhoni done in his entire t 20 career? Not even a single 50 and a strike rate of 115? If u think this kind of numbers are not replacable then dont blame ipl for not playing pant instead this hack dhoni
    Dude let pant play 2-3 seasons of domestics first. If you don't even respect Dhoni and call him a hack then there are 200 percent chances of you calling for Pant's head after 3 failures. Fans like you are the best examples of 'charhte Suraj ko salaam'. Dhoni isn't at his best currently but his replacements are not good either. I don't want guys like Pant to go Dinesh karthik's way this is why he should perform consistently in domestics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Absolutely. Rehash the same players and blame ipl for everything
    Yeah just like you blame Dhoni for everything. Pot calling the kettle black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    When you talk about certain poster you should tag him/her in that post. Your list is bookmarked. According to you these guys are better than Yuvi, Dhoni, Nehra and Raina?
    All I am saying that they can't do any worse than the ones you mentioned.If you don't try how shall you know. Random t20's are in any case meaningless.Keep experimenting in these matches till you find the right talent. Please don't say A tours are for that.Here you get to play against top international players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    All I am saying that they can't do any worse than the ones you mentioned.If you don't try how shall you know. Random t20's are in any case meaningless.Keep experimenting in these matches till you find the right talent. Please don't say A tours are for that.Here you get to play against top international players.
    You do know every intl game has a meaning and points attached to it? You can't test 4-5 players at the same time. India already rested jaddu and Ashwin. Rohit is out due to injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I was the one who asked you first. Tell me their replacements first. You will get your answer.
    I have already replied by losting names like pant, jadhav, kuldeep but u conveniently ignore it and blame ipl for everything. I have given u a detailed explanation about how dhoni is an abysmal failure in t 20s but u ignored it and said pant has to wait for his chance. U r the one happy with mediocrity and blaming ipl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    I have already replied by losting names like pant, jadhav, kuldeep but u conveniently ignore it and blame ipl for everything. I have given u a detailed explanation about how dhoni is an abysmal failure in t 20s but u ignored it and said pant has to wait for his chance. U r the one happy with mediocrity and blaming ipl
    So we should replace jadhav, pant, Kuldeep with Yuvi, Dhoni, Raina? Good luck winning champions trophy with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You do know every intl game has a meaning and points attached to it? You can't test 4-5 players at the same time. India already rested jaddu and Ashwin. Rohit is out due to injury.
    They think it is meaningless thats why they rested main players. So finally i am repeating the same question. What is india going to acheive if they keep rehashing oldies and continue playing hacks who r perennial failures in the format they are supposed to be famkus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    They think it is meaningless thats why they rested main players. So finally i am repeating the same question. What is india going to acheive if they keep rehashing oldies and continue playing hacks who r perennial failures in the format they are supposed to be famkus
    We will atleast avoid the phainty which other teams would give it to us. Just like we did in the second odi against England when oldies and hacks joined together to save India from losing another odi series at home. Got your answer now?

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    Forgot there was a match today, 2nd win for eng this tour... congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    So we should replace jadhav, pant, Kuldeep with Yuvi, Dhoni, Raina? Good luck winning champions trophy with them.
    As if we are winning left right and centre with the guys u r advocating. They were all there in this yeras t 20 and we bearly scrapped through to semifinals on the back of kohli but but u dont want to try new players and keep persisting with the same players who failed dismally and expecting a miracle to win champions trophy with the same squad. The same players u mentioned played in every cup from 2007 but they lost everything except 2007,2011 and 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Run of the mill responses.

    A certain player succeeded? Well, let's see in overseas.

    Uthappa is doing well? Can't be tried cos he too is oldie. But then so is Jadhav and unlike Dhoni, Yuvi, he hasn't gone over the hill yet.

    Can these new players score 300 runs 7 out of 10 times? Well, we won't test them so let's go with the default answer of no. This is inspite of Jadhav heloing a 350 chase with Kohli, Manish finishing a 300 chase in Aus and Jadhav almost closing out a 330 chase on a bouncy pitch where the ball did a bit.

    Can't drop 4-5 players at once? But team was lucky enough to go to World T20 SF (which I 100% agree by the way).

    Step back. Take a deep breath. Think for a second.

    So what if Jadhav flops overseas?

    So what if our newcomers flop and our team sucks?

    What's the harm in trying new players as current LOI team is not doing wonders anyway.

    Great teams are built on the back of long term thinking.
    Yes, nicely summed up.

    Lets not put unnecessary pressure on youngsters in T20's ...give them free hand to express themselves...majority will fail but we will definitely find 2-3 diamonds which can serve us in ODI too.

    Bumrah is classic positive example. He is an IPL product. Did well in T20 and now is a ODI regular.

    One of the 'wasted' talent is Mayank Agarwal. He did consistently well in IPL. He get a hundred in practice match vs South Africa in ODI ( and won the match)...he was ready and raring to go for SA T20 with sky high confidence but didn't get selected because Dhwana and Rohit were 'undroppable' even in T20s.....

    I sincerely believe we should play more T20 ( even if they conflict with regular schedule) and we have an IPL brigade that can easily fill in and be competitive....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    We will atleast avoid the phainty which other teams would give it to us. Just like we did in the second odi against England when oldies and hacks joined together to save India from losing another odi series at home. Got your answer now?
    So one series win since 2014 is all u have to show to continue with oldies but conveniently ignoring the lost series because of oldies. We lost 2014 t 20 because of dhoni and yuvi who sucked the life of innings by tuk tuking and continue to play them thinking they will miraculously win another cup and ignore their failures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    As if we are winning left right and centre with the guys u r advocating. They were all there in this yeras t 20 and we bearly scrapped through to semifinals on the back of kohli but but u dont want to try new players and keep persisting with the same players who failed dismally and expecting a miracle to win champions trophy with the same squad. The same players u mentioned played in every cup from 2007 but they lost everything except 2007,2011 and 2013
    Rahul
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    Chahal
    Bumrah
    Rasool
    Pandey

    All of them are new and don't even have 1/10th experience of even Nehra. Kya ukhaad liya inhone aaj? How many more news players do you want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Rahul
    Pandya
    Chahal
    Bumrah
    Rasool
    Pandey

    All of them are new and don't even have 1/10th experience of even Nehra. Kya ukhaad liya inhone aaj? How many more news players do you want?
    We want dead weight players like dhoni, yuvi, removed and give chamce to Youngsters. Atleast nehra was a stand out bowler for us in t 20 but what about future plans? For how long u keep Playing oldies who failed miserably in every t 20 world cup other than 2007 to continue? Why play them as they are failures since long time? U r happy with so many failures of oldies but question newbee performances after 1 or 2 failures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Rahul
    Pandya
    Chahal
    Bumrah
    Rasool
    Pandey

    All of them are new and don't even have 1/10th experience of even Nehra. Kya ukhaad liya inhone aaj? How many more news players do you want?
    Rahul scored a hundred in his previous t 20,pandey playing his second t 20 and didnt bat in his first one. So u want immediate results with newbees but ignore poor performance of oldies

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Rohit
    Uthappa
    Kohli
    Raina
    Jadhav
    Pant
    K Pandya
    H Pandya
    Jadeja
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    Bumrah

    This will probably be our IPL team.

    Can this team do any worse?
    did elder Pandya plays current ranji season? and how's his performance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Rahul scored a hundred in his previous t 20,pandey playing his second t 20 and didnt bat in his first one. So u want immediate results with newbees but ignore poor performance of oldies
    What are they doing in IPL then? Intl cricket is not the place to test 4-5 new players at the same time. I thought IPL was just like intl matches where they compete against the best in the world and gain experience? Relax and have patience your boy Pant will get his chances just like Naman Ojha, Saha, Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik did. Just like you can't get immediate results with the youngster beauties you also can't expect oldies to fade away in one series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    We will atleast avoid the phainty which other teams would give it to us. Just like we did in the second odi against England when oldies and hacks joined together to save India from losing another odi series at home. Got your answer now?
    ODIs are important so we should have a 'core' team for that...no doubt about it...If Yuvi, Dhoni can provide stability, value & experience, they must be in the team...50 overs are way too overs and mediocre players will be sorted out way too quickly in ODIs...


    T20 should be breath of fresh air for even fans...a place for youngsters to shine and play fearlessly...for way too long we are playing with Dhoni brand of T20...way too intelligently, conservatively and taking this game seriously and playing 'same' team and talking abt process blah blah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You do know every intl game has a meaning and points attached to it? You can't test 4-5 players at the same time. India already rested jaddu and Ashwin. Rohit is out due to injury.
    No they are not.Current series is completely meaningless. Nobody cares for points because nobody cares for t20 ranking. World t20 is the only meaningful t20 platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deep82 View Post
    ODIs are important so we should have a 'core' team for that...no doubt about it...If Yuvi, Dhoni can provide stability, value & experience, they must be in the team...50 overs are way too overs and mediocre players will be sorted out way too quickly in ODIs...


    T20 should be breath of fresh air for even fans...a place for youngsters to shine and play fearlessly...for way too long we are playing with Dhoni brand of T20...way too intelligently, conservatively and taking this game seriously and playing 'same' team and talking abt process blah blah...
    Good post.Exactly my views the second paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What are they doing in IPL then? Intl cricket is not the place to test 4-5 new players at the same time. I thought IPL was just like intl matches where they compete against the best in the world and gain experience? Relax and have patience your boy Pant will get his chances just like Naman Ojha, Saha, Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik did. Just like you can't get immediate results with the youngster beauties you also can't expect oldies to fade away in one series.
    You got to know that Parthiv, Ojha and DK aren't international material only after testing them!


    READ Kohli's pre-series statement :


    "The squad has been selected like that. We've got in quite a few youngsters now who we want to groom with the senior guys in the team. Eventually the idea is to groom them enough to give them confidence from hereon and then maybe push them to the ODIs and then give more confidence and then from thereon have that gradual progress to get them to the highest level which is Test cricket."

    "But it's very important to back them enough in T20 cricket, get some confidence behind you and then extend your career graph as I said. The vision has to be that, you have to understand that even me or anyone can't play forever so you need to understand who are the guys who are going to slowly blend in and take Indian cricket forward. That has to be kept in mind all the time."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    According to you what should be our playing eleven against Pakistan in the champions trophy?
    That's like asking me to take an exam without allowing me to prepare. Isn't it?

    Indian team won't test players when they have chances so how can anyone give a reliable XI that is likely to succeed?

    At best, we can guess...

    For now, the locked in spots are:

    Rohit
    2nd opener
    Kohli
    number 4 bat
    Jadhav
    Finisher
    WK
    Jaddu
    Ashwin (if he fails, then wicket taking spinner)
    Shami
    2nd pacer

    There are so many potential candidates listed out. Let;'s see how they go in IPL to judge form (that's the best we can do).

    There is a chance Yuvi might succeed in CT but I can't say with certainty. I feel he won't be good enough in decent pitches or good bowlers cos he is over the hill when facing them.

    Dhoni is likely to screw up more than succeed. If he has luck, he could succeed in one of the odd games in CT and if that game is a crucial one, perceptions will be based on that but as a bat, I believe he is done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by deep82 View Post
    Yes, nicely summed up.

    Lets not put unnecessary pressure on youngsters in T20's ...give them free hand to express themselves...majority will fail but we will definitely find 2-3 diamonds which can serve us in ODI too.

    Bumrah is classic positive example. He is an IPL product. Did well in T20 and now is a ODI regular.

    One of the 'wasted' talent is Mayank Agarwal. He did consistently well in IPL. He get a hundred in practice match vs South Africa in ODI ( and won the match)...he was ready and raring to go for SA T20 with sky high confidence but didn't get selected because Dhwana and Rohit were 'undroppable' even in T20s.....

    I sincerely believe we should play more T20 ( even if they conflict with regular schedule) and we have an IPL brigade that can easily fill in and be competitive....
    True.

    As for Mayank Agarwal, he is a superb talent who can really inject the much needed explosiveness in our batting but I kinda get the same Manish Pandey vibe from him (a guy who can play amazing knocks even clutch at times followed by duds and not so bright as a bat....a bit untrustworthy).

    But he absolutely must be tested to see how he goes. He was in outrageous form last when I heard about him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nil Dhumrojal View Post
    It seems IPL is*benefiting players of other countries*more than players of India
    India needs to play its top players of IPL rather than our Ranji players.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    That's like asking me to take an exam without allowing me to prepare. Isn't it?

    Indian team won't test players when they have chances so how can anyone give a reliable XI that is likely to succeed?

    At best, we can guess...

    For now, the locked in spots are:

    Rohit
    2nd opener
    Kohli
    number 4 bat
    Jadhav
    Finisher
    WK
    Jaddu
    Ashwin (if he fails, then wicket taking spinner)
    Shami
    2nd pacer

    There are so many potential candidates listed out. Let;'s see how they go in IPL to judge form (that's the best we can do).

    There is a chance Yuvi might succeed in CT but I can't say with certainty. I feel he won't be good enough in decent pitches or good bowlers cos he is over the hill when facing them.

    Dhoni is likely to screw up more than succeed. If he has luck, he could succeed in one of the odd games in CT and if that game is a crucial one, perceptions will be based on that but as a bat, I believe he is done.
    Playing two spinners could be hit or miss, specially against Pakistan that has players like Sarf and Malik who are quite good at negotiating spinners (I would say they are best in the world after Indians themselves).

    Other than that it seems a good team.


    Well you only need Kohli to beat us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    That's like asking me to take an exam without allowing me to prepare. Isn't it?

    Indian team won't test players when they have chances so how can anyone give a reliable XI that is likely to succeed?

    At best, we can guess...

    For now, the locked in spots are:

    Rohit
    2nd opener
    Kohli
    number 4 bat
    Jadhav
    Finisher
    WK
    Jaddu
    Ashwin (if he fails, then wicket taking spinner)
    Shami
    2nd pacer

    There are so many potential candidates listed out. Let;'s see how they go in IPL to judge form (that's the best we can do).

    There is a chance Yuvi might succeed in CT but I can't say with certainty. I feel he won't be good enough in decent pitches or good bowlers cos he is over the hill when facing them.

    Dhoni is likely to screw up more than succeed. If he has luck, he could succeed in one of the odd games in CT and if that game is a crucial one, perceptions will be based on that but as a bat, I believe he is done.
    For CT, India will play safe. IPl or no IPL, the same team that played vs England will go in CT.

    Rohit
    Dhawan/Rahul
    Kohli
    Yuvi
    Dhoni
    Jadhav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Ashwin/Bhuvi
    Shami
    Bumrah

    Two others to make the 15 will be Pandey/Rahane and Umesh Yadav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What are they doing in IPL then? Intl cricket is not the place to test 4-5 new players at the same time. I thought IPL was just like intl matches where they compete against the best in the world and gain experience? Relax and have patience your boy Pant will get his chances just like Naman Ojha, Saha, Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik did. Just like you can't get immediate results with the youngster beauties you also can't expect oldies to fade away in one series.
    No bro,India seems to be doing this mistake if you notice,even England/Aus/SA are actually having diff teams for T20 most of them are full of hacks,Yuvi was a great T20 asset when Afridi was one as well.

    INTL T20s esp billaterals are of no value whatsoever so we can thrust all our T20/IPL hacks here and let them have a go at England/SA/NZ etc
    There are reasons that unless u are a T20 mercenary no one above 33/34 usually gets a shot at this format.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Playing two spinners could be hit or miss, specially against Pakistan that has players like Sarf and Malik who are quite good at negotiating spinners (I would say they are best in the world after Indians themselves).

    Other than that it seems a good team.


    Well you only need Kohli to beat us.
    I was talking about CT team in general and not just Pak game.

    Yes, there is a chance Pak may play our spinners well but that's our strength and we got to back our strengths.

    Ashwin was the guy who shifted the entire momentum in the WC 2015 clash against Pak (3 maidens and Haris Sohail wicket) even though stats may not show it.

    In my opinion, Jaddu and Ash will be our biggest weapons in Eng. They have always done well there and while tracks have gone flatter, I would still back them to do well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    India needs to play its top players of IPL rather than our Ranji players.
    Yes, exactly my point. All this of 'let them play 2-3 season of Ranji and prove themselves" is absolutely ********. For T20s selection, IPL is the benchmark. Period. perform in the IPL and India T20 cap can be yours to grab. If you are special talent, You can break into ODI too ( e.g Bumrah) or be a failure if you not good enough ( e.g Axar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deep82 View Post
    For CT, India will play safe. IPl or no IPL, the same team that played vs England will go in CT.

    Rohit
    Dhawan/Rahul
    Kohli
    Yuvi
    Dhoni
    Jadhav
    Pandya
    Jadeja
    Ashwin/Bhuvi
    Shami
    Bumrah

    Two others to make the 15 will be Pandey/Rahane and Umesh Yadav.
    True. We all know what's gonna happen.

    I am hoping some major performances in IPL shake up the selectors a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What are they doing in IPL then? Intl cricket is not the place to test 4-5 new players at the same time. I thought IPL was just like intl matches where they compete against the best in the world and gain experience? Relax and have patience your boy Pant will get his chances just like Naman Ojha, Saha, Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik did. Just like you can't get immediate results with the youngster beauties you also can't expect oldies to fade away in one series.
    So for u oldies failing since 2007 is ok but newbees failing us a problem? What strange logic u have? If u want to continue with failures since 2007 then there is nothing to argue with u

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    So for u oldies failing since 2007 is ok but newbees failing us a problem? What strange logic u have? If u want to continue with failures since 2007 then there is nothing to argue with u
    Kehna kya chahte ho?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    What are they doing in IPL then? Intl cricket is not the place to test 4-5 new players at the same time. I thought IPL was just like intl matches where they compete against the best in the world and gain experience? Relax and have patience your boy Pant will get his chances just like Naman Ojha, Saha, Parthiv, Dinesh Karthik did. Just like you can't get immediate results with the youngster beauties you also can't expect oldies to fade away in one series.
    Why not? Oldies are not doing a good job infact dhoni is an abysmal failure in his entire t 20 career. What has dhoni done in t 20 to justify his place for so many years? He is not even captain anymore and why he is an automatic pick now?

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    Kohli should always bat at no 3. This is not ipl to switch positions here and there, get the right openers and kick out Rahul, he's too lazy to score now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Kehna kya chahte ho?
    Ap kya sunna nahi chahteho wahi. If u dont understand my posts then there is no use in responding

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    I guess only Raina comes unscathed from that performance. For a guy making his comeback after a long time , the guy has delivered in LOI like he always did. 30+ at a good strike rate. Still an absolute beast in T20's for India. Short ball problem or not, the guy somehow always gets it to 30 at least . . Like Shastri's cliches go : "He's a busy player", " Keeps the scoreboard ticking ", "Hits it like a tracer bullet "

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    Quote Originally Posted by AamchiMumbaikar View Post
    Kohli should always bat at no 3. This is not ipl to switch positions here and there, get the right openers and kick out Rahul, he's too lazy to score now.
    I seriously think the kind of responsibility Kohli is taking on, especially without Rohit in the squad, is going to take its toll on him in ODI's soon. India seriously needs new blood in t20s.. The t20WC is far away. Enought time to blood new players . Nobody cares about International t20 losses anyway ..

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    Most pointless T20 series if there was any. Champions Trophy impending, they play 3 T20 s .. Why couldn't they plan 2 more ODI s instead.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyB View Post
    I guess only Raina comes unscathed from that performance. For a guy making his comeback after a long time , the guy has delivered in LOI like he always did. 30+ at a good strike rate. Still an absolute beast in T20's for India. Short ball problem or not, the guy somehow always gets it to 30 at least . . Like Shastri's cliches go : "He's a busy player", " Keeps the scoreboard ticking ", "Hits it like a tracer bullet "
    Yes always Raina is the man who comes up with clutch performances! There is always a "reliability" factor attached with him. Top class LOI asset (this man should not even think of Test Matches though!) Just because he has a problem with short pitch ball should not be such a big weakness against him. He still can do that "finisher" job for us! (Look at his record in IPL) Wonderful fielder (before Jadeja, he was considered as our best fielder ever!) and a very handy bowler (We can get rid of both Pandya and Ashwin at a time in LOIs and play a proper third seamer!) Should persist with him even more than Yuvaraj IMO.

    And as far as Dhoni, if he was not a wicket-keeper there would be no objection whatsoever for his exit! Just that, just that only a wicket-keeper should replace him is the issue that is causing the problems (add to that his experience).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    Yes always Raina is the man who comes up with clutch performances! There is always a "reliability" factor attached with him. Top class LOI asset (this man should not even think of Test Matches though!) Just because he has a problem with short pitch ball should not be such a big weakness against him. He still can do that "finisher" job for us! (Look at his record in IPL) Wonderful fielder (before Jadeja, he was considered as our best fielder ever!) and a very handy bowler (We can get rid of both Pandya and Ashwin at a time in LOIs and play a proper third seamer!) Should persist with him even more than Yuvaraj IMO.

    And as far as Dhoni, if he was not a wicket-keeper there would be no objection whatsoever for his exit! Just that, just that only a wicket-keeper should replace him is the issue that is causing the problems (add to that his experience).
    India still needs raina in odis more than yuvi and dhoni as the pitches are flat every where and he is a busy player and doesnt waste balls to settle, good runner between wickets, handy offspinner, good fielder as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    India still needs raina in odis more than yuvi and dhoni as the pitches are flat every where and he is a busy player and doesnt waste balls to settle, good runner between wickets, handy offspinner, good fielder as well
    For that matter even Rohit Sharma, Yuvaraj, Dhoni everyone except Kohli are not that consistent and reliable. In that line I would say Raina is a tad bit better actually! Even if he is not consistent he is not someone who will be a liability to team. As you mentioned he doesn't take much time to settle. Excellent runner and fielder + bowling. Short Ball weakness should not be scrutinized so much! It doesn't matter in LOIs at least in the finishing overs!

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    In fact our Test team looks more settled than LOI team with almost all ends filled up! Somebody like Ashwin can hide his weakness (Stock bowling, Fielding, Running between wicket, stroke play) and display his strengths (wicket-taking bowling, sedate batting, slip catching). We need to seriously work out the issues! Suddenly everything is looking problematic in LOIs (opening batsmen, finishers/hitters, 5th bowler, death-bowling, etc!)

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    It is too late in ODI s now. Need to wait for Champions Trophy to finish. Surely some heads will roll. Not Dhoni though. He is here to stay.

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