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    New Zealand defeat Australia by 6 runs to win 1st ODI in Auckland

    New Zealand: Latham, Guptill, Williamson (c), Taylor, Broom, Munro, Neesham, Santner, Southee, Ferguson, Boult

    Australia: Finch (c), Head, S Marsh, Handscomb (wk), Maxwell, Stoinis, Heazlett, Faulkner, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood

    Australia have won the toss and have elected to bowl.


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    Australia would be glad that after more than a month of playing against a club level side they finally get some real opposition.


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    Good strike rotation by Latham and Guptill so far.

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    Always love these odi's between NZ and AUS when they play in NZ.

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    Solid start by New Zealand

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    I like and rate Latham but I have doubts weather he is a fit for odis. Playing him as a keeper today just seems like a way to keep him in the side.

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    Latham gone!

    Williamson in.

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    Ohh Handscombe what have you done

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    lol at these mickey mouse grounds.


    Pakistan is that kid who never studies for his exams but is surprised when he fails.

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    On flat pitches in LO Guptill is a gun player.

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    Williamson is slowing the momentum of the innings down. He lacks impact in this format. Has good stats but I rarely feel like he will take the game away from the opposition.

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    we made cummins look unplayable because of our pathetic backfoot game.

    let's see how he does against guptill and williamson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Williamson is slowing the momentum of the innings down. He lacks impact in this format. Has good stats but I rarely feel like he will take the game away from the opposition.
    Mate, it's perfectly fine how he's approaching it when he has someone going at the other end like Guptill is. Someone like Khawaja is much worse in this respect with Warner at the other end.

    This is an ODI, not a T20 game and New Zealand are 76/1 after 12 & Williamson is 20 off 27.

    Strange comment. He also has one of the greatest ODI batting records of all time averaging 47 with a SR of 85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    Mate, it's perfectly fine how he's approaching it when he has someone going at the other end like Guptill is. Someone like Khawaja is much worse in this respect with Warner at the other end.

    This is an ODI, not a T20 game and New Zealand are 76/1 after 12 & Williamson is 20 off 27.

    Strange comment. He also has one of the greatest ODI batting records of all time averaging 47 with a SR of 85.
    He's improved his strike rate since that post lol.

    A strike rate of 85 isn't earth shattering in this modern era. When it's on him to up the scoring rate he fails more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He's improved his strike rate since that post lol.

    A strike rate of 85 isn't earth shattering in this modern era. When it's on him to up the scoring rate he fails more often than not.
    He's playing the perfect foil to Marty.


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    Woopsie Daisy.


    Pakistan is that kid who never studies for his exams but is surprised when he fails.

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    Australia should go on the attack now, the NZ commentators were saying earlier that nz lower order won't want to have to rebuild they will just want to swing from the hips straight away. So a couple of more wickets here will put Australia well on top.

    As I am typing Starc is on.

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    KW is super consistent without playing impactful innings. He is what Babar Azam so far is aspiring to be in ODI cricket.

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    Lol commentators wondering why Guptill is poor at test level. It's fairly obvious. He doesn't have the technique to survive on pitches that are favourable to bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    He's improved his strike rate since that post lol.

    A strike rate of 85 isn't earth shattering in this modern era. When it's on him to up the scoring rate he fails more often than not.
    The point your missing is you need all sorts in a batting lineup. NZ have several big hitters to clear the ropes from Guptill to Munro, Taylor (although he can work it too), Anderson, Neesham to name a few.

    They need guys who can bat through the order and get a 47 off 55 balls, which is Williamson's average performance.

    I wouldn't say 85 is amazing these days, but it's very very good when coupled with an average near 50 & when you have big hitters around you.

    He batting record is like top 5 of alltime or anything, but I would say it would be in the top 20 easily.

    let's also no pretend Pakistan wouldn't kill to have a Williamson type player batting at no. 3 for them as one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol commentators wondering why Guptill is poor at test level. It's fairly obvious. He doesn't have the technique to survive on pitches that are favourable to bowlers.
    Pretty much and mentally he doesn't know how to play.

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    I rate both Taylor and Guptill as better batsman than Williamson in ODIs. All have similar strike rate, but Taylor can play big knocks very often and Guptill can play destructive knocks. Williamson can neither play big knocks nor he can be as destructive. However he is a good accumulator and support player to Guptill and Taylor.

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    Australia doing a Pakistan here
    Finch not even in team and came back as captain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    The point your missing is you need all sorts in a batting lineup. NZ have several big hitters to clear the ropes from Guptill to Munro, Taylor (although he can work it too), Anderson, Neesham to name a few.

    They need guys who can bat through the order and get a 47 off 55 balls, which is Williamson's average performance.

    I wouldn't say 85 is amazing these days, but it's very very good when coupled with an average near 50 & when you have big hitters around you.

    He batting record is like top 5 of alltime or anything, but I would say it would be in the top 20 easily.

    let's also no pretend Pakistan wouldn't kill to have a Williamson type player batting at no. 3 for them as one example.
    People forget we're playing to complete 50 overs not 20. They want everyone in our XI to be a Sharjeel. Just not possible.


    Pakistan is that kid who never studies for his exams but is surprised when he fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    The point your missing is you need all sorts in a batting lineup. NZ have several big hitters to clear the ropes from Guptill to Munro, Taylor (although he can work it too), Anderson, Neesham to name a few.

    They need guys who can bat through the order and get a 47 off 55 balls, which is Williamson's average performance.

    I wouldn't say 85 is amazing these days, but it's very very good when coupled with an average near 50 & when you have big hitters around you.

    He batting record is like top 5 of alltime or anything, but I would say it would be in the top 20 easily.

    let's also no pretend Pakistan wouldn't kill to have a Williamson type player batting at no. 3 for them as one example.

    I know you need all type of styles but he doesn't seem to have another gear at all. In this era scores of over 300 are the norm.


    People talk about him as an atg but in LO I don't see it. Maybe in tests but he lacks impact in this format. His role is to be the stabaliser but there will be times where he will have to bat it another gear which I don't think he is capeble of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    People forget we're playing to complete 50 overs not 20. They want everyone in our XI to be a Sharjeel. Just not possible.

    My comment was more aimed at Williamson as an odi player in general rather than the game situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    I rate both Taylor and Guptill as better batsman than Williamson in ODIs. All have similar strike rate, but Taylor can play big knocks very often and Guptill can play destructive knocks. Williamson can neither play big knocks nor he can be as destructive. However he is a good accumulator and support player to Guptill and Taylor.
    Guptill is better, Taylor is about the same. Many Pakistani fans will think to the time he devastated Pakistan in the 2011 world cup, but Taylor hasn't been able to unleash anywhere near that for years. He bats a lot more like Williamson in the last 3-4 years.

    Just checked, in the last 3 years Williamson has averaged 55 @ a SR of 87 & Taylor averages 57 @ 82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I know you need all type of styles but he doesn't seem to have another gear at all. In this era scores of over 300 are the norm.


    People talk about him as an atg but in LO I don't see it. Maybe in tests but he lacks impact in this format. His role is to be the stabaliser but there will be times where he will have to bat it another gear which I don't think he is capeble of.
    Guptill and Taylor are the impact players for NZ, even if Williamson can't be an impact player he does his job well. Not everybody can be Kohli or Warner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    Guptill is better, Taylor is about the same. Many Pakistani fans will think to the time he devastated Pakistan in the 2011 world cup, but Taylor hasn't been able to unleash anywhere near that for years. He bats a lot more like Williamson in the last 3-4 years.

    Just checked, in the last 3 years Williamson has averaged 55 @ a SR of 87 & Taylor averages 57 @ 82
    I am saying that Taylor can play big knocks aka centuries much more than Williamson. Williamson is consistent but he doesn't score many match winning centuries which Taylor does. Williamson is a good support player, but Taylor has bigger impact on given days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    I know you need all type of styles but he doesn't seem to have another gear at all. In this era scores of over 300 are the norm.


    People talk about him as an atg but in LO I don't see it. Maybe in tests but he lacks impact in this format. His role is to be the stabaliser but there will be times where he will have to bat it another gear which I don't think he is capable of.
    The weird thing is I sort of agree when I see him in T20s when he can tie himself up, but guess what he's ranked in the top 5 of T20 batsmen when all said and done and averages 37 @ a SR of 123 in T20Is, better than Taylor's 24 @ 120. So in terms of output he seems to get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    I am saying that Taylor can play big knocks aka centuries much more than Williamson. Williamson is consistent but he doesn't score many match winning centuries which Taylor does. Williamson is a good support player, but Taylor has bigger impact on given days.
    Really? I mean do you know that? Can you cite the number of Taylor matching winning hundreds since they both played vs. Williamson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Guptill and Taylor are the impact players for NZ, even if Williamson can't be an impact player he does his job well. Not everybody can be Kohli or Warner
    That stats just don't say that about Taylor in the last 3 years or so though, but they sure do for Guptill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    The weird thing is I sort of agree when I see him in T20s when he can tie himself up, but guess what he's ranked in the top 5 of T20 batsmen when all said and done and averages 37 @ a SR of 123 in T20Is, better than Taylor's 24 @ 120. So in terms of output he seems to get the job done.

    He has good stats but it backs up my point. Someone batting at a strike rate of 123 in T20s is having no impact on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    Really? I mean do you know that? Can you cite the number of Taylor matching winning hundreds since they both played vs. Williamson?
    I am talking overall. Taylor scores more centuries and has bigger impact on certain matches. Williamson often plays support roles and his conversion rate is pretty poor

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    Wow imagine if Handscombe has to keep on them low and slow wickets in India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Wow imagine if Handscombe has to keep on them low and slow wickets in India
    Handscomb is not a regular keeper so he won't be keeping there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Handscomb is not a regular keeper so he won't be keeping there.
    I don't think they have a back up keeper in the squad to face India. So if Wade got injured pre game like today,Handscombe would have to be the keeper

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    Haha I was looking the NZ's batting stats in the last 2 years and look at Brendon McCullum. Have to laugh, & that is across 22 games


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    NZ falling apart here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    NZ falling apart here.
    Hardly, lots of unlucky wickets. It can happen. They still have lots of batting, they won't all chop the ball on or get strangled down the leg side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    Hardly, lots of unlucky wickets. It can happen. They still have lots of batting, they won't all chop the ball on or get strangled down the leg side.
    Lol half of the team is out. Even 250 is looking difficult from here . Starc and Hazelwood have plenty of overs left as well.

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    That was an Ugly leg side hoick from Munroe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol half of the team is out. Even 250 is looking difficult from here . Starc and Hazelwood have plenty of overs left as well.
    I get they are 5 down I was just pointing out it's not often get 2 chop ons and two strangles down the legside in the fist 4 wickets lost.

    250 might be competitive here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol half of the team is out. Even 250 is looking difficult from here . Starc and Hazelwood have plenty of overs left as well.
    He is repeating the narrative being pushed by the NZ commentators.

    In fact, NZ has been extremely lucky so far with Australia dropping catches and conceding 20+ runs in byes and wides already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch View Post
    I get they are 5 down I was just pointing out it's not often get 2 chop ons and two strangles down the legside in the fist 4 wickets lost.

    250 might be competitive here.

    Lol pitch seems flat, Australia are gun on batting friendly pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol pitch seems flat, Australia are gun on batting friendly pitches.
    We'll see.

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    Jimmy Neesham is a better batsman than Azhar, Malik, Hafeez, Akmal and Rizwan, and he plays at number 7 for New Zealand


    Inzi is the best selector in the world

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    NZ are 5 down and still motoring along at 5.5 rpo. The last 5 overs have yeilded 33 runs at a rate of 6.6.

    This is how you play modern day ODI cricket. You counter-attack, you punch back.

    Not like the Misbah/Azhar way of shutting up shop and 'absorbing pressure'


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    Good to see Australia get inspired by Pakistan.


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    Australia, 5 drops and counting. Impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Australia, 5 drops and counting. Impressive.
    We leave a lasting impression on people


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    185 / 5

    34 overs

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    Kiwis need this partnership to go on , they do not have much batting to come after this

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    187 . 5

    35 overs

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    Neesham

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    65 runs partnership already.

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    200 up for kiwis

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    Broom hits a big one

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    neesham gone

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    Big wicket , Neesham would have been dangerous in the last few overs

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    Starc has 4 more overs , that will be crucial.

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    221 / 6

    Kiwis looking to get nearly 300 .

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    Starc continues.

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    Broom gets that away.

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    231 / 6

    43 overs

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    246 . 6

    30 balls left

    kiwis would want another 45 runs here

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    287 is the target

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    18/3


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    Good game on right now.


    Does cricket survive off of it's money or does it survive for it's money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    18/3
    48/4


    Inzi is the best selector in the world

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    That's it game over, wd to Kiwis.


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    Deserved for dismal fielding. I only watched till the 35th over or so but Australia had 5 drops, 3 missed run outs and 15+ runs conceded in byes by that point.

  74. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Lol pitch seems flat, Australia are gun on batting friendly pitches.
    Not this line-up.

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    Shows how toothless Aus are without Smith and Warner.

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    match over ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Nombre View Post
    Deserved for dismal fielding. I only watched till the 35th over or so but Australia had 5 drops, 3 missed run outs and 15+ runs conceded in byes by that point.
    all blame pakistan's fielding. but all the team's fielding is rubbish whether it is ground fielding or catching.

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    Aussies are struggling against sheer pace and spin


    jos butler a hockey player???

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    Aus 90/6. Innings in disarray

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    on chucking ??Junaid khans action is worse then bumrah


    jos butler a hockey player???

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