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    Pakistan Cricket Team vs WWE

    As far as I am concerned - they are very similar.

    We have our fair share of "seniors" in the team from whom we have to move on from - e.g. Misbah, YK, Hafeez, Malik etc.

    Granted YK has performed in Tests and Malik is still a decent ODI batsman but time to bring in new blood.

    I just saw the 2017 Royal Rumble and I could not believe my eyes when I saw Goldberg and Undertaker enter the ring followed by Chris Jericho! Why do we have these 50 year olds competing in the ring when young NXT talent should be promoted and given a major push!!

    And would you believe it - Randy Orton won the Royal Rumble... It is like the cricket equivalent of Hafeez being given ODI captaincy on a platter What type of message does this send to young talent who are trying to make a name for themselves?

    Both Pakistan cricket and WWE need to move on from the "seniors" and give more opportunities to youngsters.

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    The difference is that when it comes to WWE the seniors are the only ones worth watching and their new guys are all rubbish which is why it is so baffling that people actually watch that trash. When it comes to us, it has come to the point that we are begging our seniors to leave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    The difference is that when it comes to WWE the seniors are the only ones worth watching and their new guys are all rubbish which is why it is so baffling that people actually watch that trash. When it comes to us, it has come to the point that we are begging our seniors to leave.
    Maybe 10 years ago but when you see the same storyline and drama week in and week out - you would just rather watch the "new guys" instead. Atleast develop them and give them a push - you might unearth a gem.

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    Umar Akmal = Roman Reigns?


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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    As far as I am concerned - they are very similar.

    We have our fair share of "seniors" in the team from whom we have to move on from - e.g. Misbah, YK, Hafeez, Malik etc.

    Granted YK has performed in Tests and Malik is still a decent ODI batsman but time to bring in new blood.

    I just saw the 2017 Royal Rumble and I could not believe my eyes when I saw Goldberg and Undertaker enter the ring followed by Chris Jericho! Why do we have these 50 year olds competing in the ring when young NXT talent should be promoted and given a major push!!

    And would you believe it - Randy Orton won the Royal Rumble... It is like the cricket equivalent of Hafeez being given ODI captaincy on a platter What type of message does this send to young talent who are trying to make a name for themselves?

    Both Pakistan cricket and WWE need to move on from the "seniors" and give more opportunities to youngsters.

    @shaz619
    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Maybe 10 years ago but when you see the same storyline and drama week in and week out - you would just rather watch the "new guys" instead. Atleast develop them and give them a push - you might unearth a gem.
    You're definitely correct and I see where you are coming from! the comparison is justified. We have many old timers who often hog the spotlight which prevent a rising star to truly flourish when it comes to cricket and the same can be said with the WWE. Now I have no issue at all when WWE make use of part-timers from the past because they bring great business from old school fans due to nostalgia but it's how they are used which am most concerned about, if part-time talent is used to elevate the youngsters then it is great! but if you put put them in world championship bouts or give them a main-event when a more deserving talent should be there then I have a problem with that (unless the part timer faces a youngster and is willing to give him the rub), it's also one of the reasons why the youngsters are unable to reach the star power of past talents because WWE refuse to give them a huge push when it truly counts.

    Chris Jericho is an exception because he is having one of the best runs of his career and he's actually someone who helps elevate the youngsters and is a bit of a leader of the locker room who everyone looks up. It's great that WWE built up Lesnar again but only for him to lose to Goldberg? I mean it made for a great moment but they could have made a big star out of one of the youngsters by having them benefit from Lesnars momentum before Goldberg beat him. Undertaker is back, no problems at all! but if he doesn't give one of the guys from current roster the rub no one really benefits in the long run.

    Also, it's a HUGE myth that "seniors are the only ones worth watching" most folk who gave up watching wrestling would come out with such nonesence and it also doesn't that WWE often bury their younger guys and contantly push seniors so in a way it's of no surprise that old school fans don't take the younger guys seriously when in reality they are arguably the most talented group of wrestlers in years! AJ Styles is the closest thing to Shawn Michaels I have ever seen! he is absolutely incredible in the ring and has done brilliant character work as of late, Bray Wyatt is a backwoods cult leader with a fantastic dark and gritty gimmick he is brilliant on the mic, Cesaro can do things in the ring which those before him could only dream of for his size and the same can be said for Russev; from an in-ring point of view they blow many past era's out of the water and while certain characters could be a bit more polished they suffer from constant burials in favour of seniors who only show up a few times a year.

    Likewise in Pakistan, our selection committee will continue to invest in TTF's because they come from a school of thought which favours the seniority complex in favour of investing in youth.

    The Rumble PPV in itself wasn't bad, the undercard was superb! and from a performance standpoint the Rumble match was decent and while I understand your dissapointment at Orton winning am intrigued with where they go with this. There is time from now until mania so a lot can happen in between, what I'd like to see is Bray Wyatt win the WWE title in the elmination chamber match to set up a match between Orton and Bray Wyatt at mania. As it stands, Orton and Bray are both in the Wyatt family so it would make for an interesting storyline; Bray Wyatt could then beat Orton to defend his title at mania to register his biggest win on such a high profile platform and I'd have no issues with that. Btw, Orton is only 36 ! amazing isn't it I believe he is the youngest world champion in history. But he has said that moving forward he will reduce his schedule much like Cena's now.

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    Afridi=John Cena

    Misbah=Undertaker


    "Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all." --Aristotle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Afridi=John Cena

    Misbah=Undertaker
    Afridi I'd say is more like the Ultimate Warrior

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    Imad wasim- dean ambrose


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Afridi I'd say is more like the Ultimate Warrior
    Hafeez is more like Chris Jericho imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Hafeez is more like Chris Jericho imo
    No way, Chris Jericho is an all time great who has achieved excellence in his field unlike the professor

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    No way, Chris Jericho is an all time great who has achieved excellence in his field unlike the professor
    Excellence is a relative term.

    Even Hafeez has excellence in Asia lol

    But like Hafeez - Jericho is nowhere near the top. Easily surpassed by the likes of Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Undertaker, John Cena, Randy Orton etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Excellence is a relative term.

    Even Hafeez has excellence in Asia lol

    But like Hafeez - Jericho is nowhere near the top. Easily surpassed by the likes of Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Undertaker, John Cena, Randy Orton etc.
    Put it this way, when it's all said an done will Hafeez enter the cricket hall of fame? I highly doubt it, Chris Jericho is an all time great who has already entered the WON hall of fame and will soon enter the Pro-wrestling HOF and WWE hall of fame for a stellar career.

    He's had to deal with his fare share of seniors holding him down but despite that has managed to have a stellar career which includes being one of four wrestlers to become grandslam champion (winning every available championshio) in the original format and the current format as it stands. He was the first undisputed champion and won the world title 6 times. He has also acheived the ultimate accoladate of main-eventing a wrestlemania and defeated the most popular superstars of the attitude era (Rock, Austin) in one night. And these are just achievements in the confines of a scripted world where he has had to punch above his weight given his size and all the ego's around him in order to reach the level of an all time great.

    On an individual level, be it a heel or a face Jericho has depicted a number of characters and has managed to successfully get over regardless of the time period or era, even in the current set up he has reinvented himself once again and over the past 12 months has been involved in the most entertaining segments on RAW during a weekly basis. Chris is phenomenal on the mic and understands how to control the audience in the palm of his hand and get them emotionally invested in a feud. In the ring he can work any match type and is incredibly sound technically but that is expected from a graduate of the Hart Dungeon.

    It's an insult to say Jericho is the Hafeez of wrestling @leatherface58

    I'd say Hafeez is more of a Spike Dudley, we all love spike and want to see him given how crazy he is but would we put him in the main-event of wrestlemania? I doubt it.

    HHH was a WWE creation which benefited from marrying stephanie, he's good but everything was handed to him literally. No doubt in terms of popularity Jericho can't match Rock or Austin but that doesn't take away his ATG status. Jericho has achieved more then Orton and has the performances to back it up, Cena has surpassed both The Rock and Austin given his longevity but Jericho has displayed a lot more versatility then all of these wrestlers.

    Across all publications you will find Jericho in the top 20 of their all time great list at the very least if not top 10. Where would we rank Hafeez? possibly in the bottom 20 of a top 100 list.

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    Shafiq = Dean Ambrose.


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    Imran Khan = Ric Flair


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Put it this way, when it's all said an done will Hafeez enter the cricket hall of fame? I highly doubt it, Chris Jericho is an all time great who has already entered the WON hall of fame and will soon enter the Pro-wrestling HOF and WWE hall of fame for a stellar career.

    He's had to deal with his fare share of seniors holding him down but despite that has managed to have a stellar career which includes being one of four wrestlers to become grandslam champion (winning every available championshio) in the original format and the current format as it stands. He was the first undisputed champion and won the world title 6 times. He has also acheived the ultimate accoladate of main-eventing a wrestlemania and defeated the most popular superstars of the attitude era (Rock, Austin) in one night. And these are just achievements in the confines of a scripted world where he has had to punch above his weight given his size and all the ego's around him in order to reach the level of an all time great.

    On an individual level, be it a heel or a face Jericho has depicted a number of characters and has managed to successfully get over regardless of the time period or era, even in the current set up he has reinvented himself once again and over the past 12 months has been involved in the most entertaining segments on RAW during a weekly basis. Chris is phenomenal on the mic and understands how to control the audience in the palm of his hand and get them emotionally invested in a feud. In the ring he can work any match type and is incredibly sound technically but that is expected from a graduate of the Hart Dungeon.

    It's an insult to say Jericho is the Hafeez of wrestling @leatherface58

    I'd say Hafeez is more of a Spike Dudley, we all love spike and want to see him given how crazy he is but would we put him in the main-event of wrestlemania? I doubt it.

    HHH was a WWE creation which benefited from marrying stephanie, he's good but everything was handed to him literally. No doubt in terms of popularity Jericho can't match Rock or Austin but that doesn't take away his ATG status. Jericho has achieved more then Orton and has the performances to back it up, Cena has surpassed both The Rock and Austin given his longevity but Jericho has displayed a lot more versatility then all of these wrestlers.

    Across all publications you will find Jericho in the top 20 of their all time great list at the very least if not top 10. Where would we rank Hafeez? possibly in the bottom 20 of a top 100 list.
    Let me put it this way.

    A wrestler is not just defined by longevity but also by how good he was at the peak of his powers.

    Trust me - no wrestler will every peak the heights Stone Cold Austin did during 1996-2001, not even Cena. He was untouchable and hence remains the gold standard! The Rock was up there but leaving the WWE in 2003 hurt his legacy IMO.

    Triple H was good too and as you said got many things handed to him including his wife (lol), height, build etc. But I still give credit to him for making it count and performing at a high level. He also reinvented himself several times from being Paul Levesque to the Celebral Assasin to a joking prankster as part of D-generation X before becoming the Authority. Had the aura to become multiple time WWE/World Heavy Champion and remained at the top.

    Same goes for Cena and to a lesser extent Randy Orton - both have become stale but worked hard and rose to the top.

    Undertaker and Shawn Michaels also remain untouchable with regards to their legacy - that Wrestlemania streak will remain immortalized forever and HBK was technically one of the best wrestlers ever. He beat Cena clean in 2007 - when Cena was at his peak. Trust me not easy to do.

    My favorite of course was CM Punk. Did not have longevity like the others but my god that guy had a peak like no other from 2011-14. He literally turned the WWE universe upside down during the Summer of Punk. Amazing presence and was technically as good as HBK if not better. I actually quit watching WWE when he left after Royal Rumble 2014.

    Now going back to Jericho - granted he stood the test of time and had longevity going for him but was never at the top of his game. He was never THE GUY and although did have a few championship runs - he could not be at the very top for too long but was a solid midcard worker and, as you mentioned, did well to mentor younger talent. He was probably on par with the Big Show who like him got several pushes and championships throughout his career but could not enjoy a sustained run at the top.

    Still a very good career by most standards but not ATG IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Let me put it this way.

    A wrestler is not just defined by longevity but also by how good he was at the peak of his powers.

    Trust me - no wrestler will every peak the heights Stone Cold Austin did during 1996-2001, not even Cena. He was untouchable and hence remains the gold standard! The Rock was up there but leaving the WWE in 2003 hurt his legacy IMO.

    Triple H was good too and as you said got many things handed to him including his wife (lol), height, build etc. But I still give credit to him for making it count and performing at a high level. He also reinvented himself several times from being Paul Levesque to the Celebral Assasin to a joking prankster as part of D-generation X before becoming the Authority. Had the aura to become multiple time WWE/World Heavy Champion and remained at the top.

    Same goes for Cena and to a lesser extent Randy Orton - both have become stale but worked hard and rose to the top.

    Undertaker and Shawn Michaels also remain untouchable with regards to their legacy - that Wrestlemania streak will remain immortalized forever and HBK was technically one of the best wrestlers ever. He beat Cena clean in 2007 - when Cena was at his peak. Trust me not easy to do.

    My favorite of course was CM Punk. Did not have longevity like the others but my god that guy had a peak like no other from 2011-14. He literally turned the WWE universe upside down during the Summer of Punk. Amazing presence and was technically as good as HBK if not better. I actually quit watching WWE when he left after Royal Rumble 2014.

    Now going back to Jericho - granted he stood the test of time and had longevity going for him but was never at the top of his game. He was never THE GUY and although did have a few championship runs - he could not be at the very top for too long but was a solid midcard worker and, as you mentioned, did well to mentor younger talent. He was probably on par with the Big Show who like him got several pushes and championships throughout his career but could not enjoy a sustained run at the top.

    Still a very good career by most standards but not ATG IMO.
    I see where you're coming from but you see with Cena in particular, his peak has lasted a very long time; there are very few top guys ho can match his list of stellar performances in big time matches and how long he has managed to stay at the top; we have also seen him get over in a TV-14 era with the thugonomics gimmick and in the PG era which has been mostly restricted in terms of creative freedom which is why John has portrayed the same face character but despite that has managed to remain over with the fans. I'd say only Bruno Sammartino compares to him when it comes to longevity and performance. No denying that Rock and Austin were more popular but would they be able to get over in the same manner in a heavily scripted environment with little creative freedom?

    The Rock just wasn't the same when he feuded with Cena upon his return after 7 years. Orton is criminally underrated, he was huge as the legend killer and as a member of evolution during the TV-14 era those runs were critically acclaimed, when the business went in a PG direction he'd adjust to become an apex predator who was out of his mind it was another great heel run for him.

    HHH deserves credit no doubt but since we're putting a lot of emphasis on the influence of seniors and whether or not WWE push you it has to be said that he has been very lucky to express himself on every level and win as many championships as he did. Jericho has displayed as much versatility as HHH if not more in terms of all the heel and face personas, be it WCW LionHeart, Millenium Y2J Babyface, Comedic baby face in the early 2000's, Undisputed Heel, Champion, The CodeBreaker, The Comedic Gift of Jericho Gimmick , Ayotolla of Rock N Rolla , The Jealous Heel, Conspiracy Victim in WCW and the best in the world at what he does gimmick which is arguably his greatest persona and resulted in the greatest and most critically acclaimed feud in the 2000's vs Shawn Michaels in 2008.

    You see Jericho had all these incredible runs and main-event feuds despite the little opportunities which were given to him, he got over the hard way and would most definitely have had a longer world title run as THE GUY were it not for backstage politics, but in the AE era title runs were not lengthy anyway! HHH longest reigns came in the Ruthless aggression era once Austin and Rock had left, in that period there was literally no one who had the chance to have a big reign like him because he'd run through the entire roster burial after burial Jericho would then take a break because he'd get lost in the shuffle only to return better then ever.

    Watch this in the late 90's Jericho would win HHH to win his first WWF title:



    But the win was overturned due to the "fast count" and WWE don't count that win, but just listen to how crazy the fans went! or when he made his debut to cut arguably one of the greatest promos of all time. But just listening to how those fans in the Attitude era go nuts for Jericho just goes to show how big he was back then and how a little bit of influence could have pushed him even further in terms of championship wins and reigns because he had that it factor or else Vince would never have had him go over Austin and Rock in one night; that is a monumental achievement.

    Going back to Cena, when it comes to top guys be it Austin, Rock or Hogan I've never seen any of these guys as seniors put over the youngsters as much as Cena has. This is another factor which is important for me, in terms of popularity Cena will never match Austin, Rock or Hogan but as a package he has surpassed them as the greatest pure "WWE" superstar of all time when it comes to his acheivements and how long he has been at the top. Personally I rank Austin above Hogan, Rock and Cena given how good he was in the ring, on the mic, the youngsters he put over and the good business he did but I won't argue with those who say Cena is the best and many in the business rate him as such given his longevity, in-ring performances, the business he does for the WWE and the youngsters he has put over.

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    @msb314 Also has to be said that title wins are not the be and end all for ATG status, Roddy Piper is the most influential heel in WWE history and arguably the greatest to; he helped put Wrestlemania on the map and elevated Hulk Hogan who took wrestling to the mainstream but Roddy never won the big one. Piper is also CM Punk's favourite wrestler. Speaking of Punks lengthy reign, he was on top for a long time but always played second fiddle to Cena during that period and it has to be said that Jericho helped elevate his championship reign when it came to their feud in the build to Wrestlemania 28, I felt their feud was even better then Rock/Cena on the same card

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Maybe 10 years ago but when you see the same storyline and drama week in and week out - you would just rather watch the "new guys" instead. Atleast develop them and give them a push - you might unearth a gem.
    Pretty much. WWE is an arena that hasn't advanced a lot since inception.

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