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    South Africa [185/6] defeat New Zealand [107] by 78 runs in only T20I

    The Standard Bank Proteas have lost the toss and will bat first in the one-off T20 International against New Zealand at Eden Park in Auckland on Friday. Faf du Plessis returns to captain the team after resting for the three-match T20I series against Sri Lanka last month.

    David Miller has been given extra time to allow for the complete healing to the finger laceration he sustained two weeks ago, while Kagiso Rabada has been rested to manage his playing workload. Dane Paterson earns his second cap for the Proteas following his debut match in the third T20I against Sri Lanka at PPC Newlands last month.

    Standard Bank Proteas ODI squad: AB de Villiers (Multiply Titans, ODI capt), Faf du Plessis (Multiply Titans, T20 capt), Hashim Amla (BuildNat Cape Cobras), Farhaan Behardien (Multiply Titans), Quinton de Kock (Multiply Titans), JP Duminy (BuildNat Cape Cobras), Imran Tahir (Hollywoodbets Dolphins), David Miller (VKB Knights), Chris Morris (Multiply Titans), Wayne Parnell (BuildNat Cape Cobras), Dane Paterson (BuildNat Cape Cobras), Andile Phehlukwayo (Hollywoodbets Dolphins), Dwaine Pretorius (bizhub Highveld Lions), Kagiso Rabada (bizhub Highveld Lions), Tabraiz Shamsi (Multiply Titans).

    New Zealand (Playing XI): Glenn Phillips, Kane Williamson(c), Colin Munro, Tom Bruce, Corey Anderson, Colin de Grandhomme, Luke Ronchi(w), Mitchell Santner, Ben Wheeler, Tim Southee, Trent Boult
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    56/1 going into over 6.

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    51-metre six by Faf. Hardly the largest ground

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    Ball was swinging and seaming like crazy at the start. Good start by South Africa keeping that in mind. Good toss to win for New Zealand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    51-metre six by Faf. Hardly the largest ground
    This is where 2015 semi final bw the same teams played

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    Amla is such a legendary player. No matter the format, he keeps bossing it.


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    Shout out to Boult too, a bowler of high skill.


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    Edges are going for boundaries at a flash. Very poor ground. Slugfest carnival .

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    Amla and AB out there together. Now the show really starts.


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    Amla getting out isn't the worst thing in the world. Was struggling to accelerate.

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    It should be noted Australia have failed to get past 150 twice on this very ground.

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    South Africa LO batting is very strong. Miller in for Behardien that's the only change that needs to be made.

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    AB

    Timing all wrong.

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    ABD just tries way too hard in T20s. He needs to have a realistic SR in mind when he comes out to bat. This isn't a video-game or the IPL.


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    Did the show end?

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    JP

    So underrated in LO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
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    So underrated in T20's
    Correction, he's rubbish in ODI"s and Tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Amla is such a legendary player. No matter the format, he keeps bossing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Amla getting out isn't the worst thing in the world. Was struggling to accelerate.
    Hmmm oxymoron statements.


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    AB lacks brain cells. He has no clue how to time an innings. Everything seems nervous and rushed

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    Quote Originally Posted by AamchiMumbaikar View Post
    Hmmm oxymoron statements.
    Never said Amla is a rubbish player. Brilliant test batsmen but overrated in LO

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Correction, he's rubbish in ODI"s and Tests


    I wouldn't call him rubbish. He certainly has underachieved in tests though.

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    Oh look, it's raining AGAIN.

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    What a gun spell from bolt...shear class n quality

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    Boult

    Excellent stuff.

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    Wow. Didn't watch the game but Boults figures


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    Irrespective of results, rubbish finishing from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Never said Amla is a rubbish player. Brilliant test batsmen but an overrated match winner in LO unlike some batsmen who need conditions to perform
    Agree 100% here, an overrated performer is always better than an overrated non performer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Irrespective of results, rubbish finishing from us.
    You guys lack power hitters. We can lend you some.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    You guys lack power hitters. We can lend you some.
    We have too many power hitters and they need some. We'll trade Nawaz for Miller


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    Just realized that Duminy and Behardien were responsible for South Africa losing that WC semi-final. Made a mess of a catch that should have been taken in the penultimate over. The batsman was Elliot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Irrespective of results, rubbish finishing from us.
    It's a good score. If they bowl well, South Africa should win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Just realized that Duminy and Behardien were responsible for South Africa losing that WC semi-final. Made a mess of a catch that should have been taken in the penultimate over. The batsman was Elliot.
    I thought AB's batting was to blame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    You guys lack power hitters. We can lend you some.
    who ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    who ?
    Imad Wasim, Umar Akmal, et al.


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    SA's bowling is a major concern. Morris, Parnell will travel. Phehlukwayo is inconsistent.
    If Tahir gets donner(ed) this match should be over in 17 overs.

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    Morris

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    Munro is awful. And people think he should be in the test team.

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    Phillips looks like a hack, he will do nothing when the ball is moving around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    Munro is awful. And people think he should be in the test team.
    Missed a straight ball


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Just realized that Duminy and Behardien were responsible for South Africa losing that WC semi-final. Made a mess of a catch that should have been taken in the penultimate over. The batsman was Elliot.
    QdK missed a stumping, so did AB.
    Steyn bowled a juicy half cracker to gift wrap NZ a straight path to the final.
    So who lost the game for SA?

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    Make a statement? Really Ian... geez...


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    shot
    Last edited by soso_killer; 17th February 2017 at 07:06.

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    Wow. Tahir embarrassing Bruce.

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    And another!

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    Embarrassing effort, so much for that home winning streak.

    First quality side that is at close to full strength tours and we get hammered like no tomorrow.

    Useless.


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    Tahir is special, niemand kan hom donner.
    A LOI great?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Tahir is special, niemand kan hom donner.
    A LOI great?
    Heh, just too wise. Pity he isn't 27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Embarrassing effort, so much for that home winning streak.

    First quality side that is at close to full strength tours and we get hammered like no tomorrow.

    Useless.
    where's Adam Milne?

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    Lucky for SA that this isn't WC

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    Parnell is useless getting clobbered by the tail?
    Unbelievable :smh:
    Should never play for SA again in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser_Soze View Post
    Lucky for SA that this isn't WC
    POTW candidate, surely?

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    Excellent stuff from Tahir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    POTW candidate, surely?
    yeah definitely, give the man a biscuit for his effort

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    yeah definitely, give the man a biscuit for his effort
    You might have some left with you for your effort of making anything remotely related to South Africa ,the best thing since sliced bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Never said Amla is a rubbish player. Brilliant test batsmen but overrated in LO
    Do you see the value of Amla in these tricky pitches?
    Yeah he has his short comings. He doesn't have the burst of acceleration that others have on super flat decks. Yeah he won't win matches alone in such instances. No one can deny that.

    However some players are so overrated and is considered taboo just to even talk/mention their weaknesses. People are so we infatuated with these players they will turn a blind eye and shout over the roof tops in masses. A siege mentality really.


    Even on flat decks Amla lands a hand and often gives his team a platform to launch later on. A cynic might call that living it for others to do the job. Fair enough, but what's the role of finishers and the lower order?

    It's on lively tracks that sets Amla apart/ make him an integral part of any team for any era for that matter.
    Not only does he ensure that his side don't lose wickets upfront, he scores briskly to ensure that his team has the psychological edge. The likes of Williamson struggled on this pitch when the ball was nipping about.
    Another example is the 150 in England. I think he was the only centurion in that match. (i stand corrected)
    Against India in SA too, 3 match series? The pitches were lively yet SA was wrecking up 300 throughout the series thanks to Amla. When India came out to bat they were rendered useless.
    All these players with high bursts of acceleration looked clueless, It was ugly to watch.
    The chase never even begun as India didn't have the tools nor the personnel to combat the conditions. At least Amla has turned up in some chases even on flat decks where he is supposedly a weakness.

    It's not just bursts of acceleration that's needed but application as well. Like I stated above Amla has his shortcomings and is nowhere near perfect, so are any other international batsmen. Each player has their strengths and weakness. Amla's strengths make him an all rounded player in that he's good enough for any side and would be an assert as he's not conditions dependent.
    Other players are good too, in conditions that suit them. That's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    where's Adam Milne?
    Probably injured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    ABD just tries way too hard in T20s. He needs to have a realistic SR in mind when he comes out to bat. This isn't a video-game or the IPL.
    Or he is just not who can play well in IPl and t20


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    Saffers are defn a top billateral t20 side,they need to play couple of triangular t20 series to win the next t20 wc .


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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Tahir is special, niemand kan hom donner.
    A LOI great?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    Heh, just too wise. Pity he isn't 27.
    Easily LOI ATG material.

    For a spinner to average this much in today's era is insane stuff.

    Just needs more sample set. Its surprising he has played only 70 odd ODIs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    Do you see the value of Amla in these tricky pitches?
    Yeah he has his short comings. He doesn't have the burst of acceleration that others have on super flat decks. Yeah he won't win matches alone in such instances. No one can deny that.

    However some players are so overrated and is considered taboo just to even talk/mention their weaknesses. People are so we infatuated with these players they will turn a blind eye and shout over the roof tops in masses. A siege mentality really.


    Even on flat decks Amla lands a hand and often gives his team a platform to launch later on. A cynic might call that living it for others to do the job. Fair enough, but what's the role of finishers and the lower order?

    It's on lively tracks that sets Amla apart/ make him an integral part of any team for any era for that matter.
    Not only does he ensure that his side don't lose wickets upfront, he scores briskly to ensure that his team has the psychological edge. The likes of Williamson struggled on this pitch when the ball was nipping about.
    Another example is the 150 in England. I think he was the only centurion in that match. (i stand corrected)
    Against India in SA too, 3 match series? The pitches were lively yet SA was wrecking up 300 throughout the series thanks to Amla. When India came out to bat they were rendered useless.
    All these players with high bursts of acceleration looked clueless, It was ugly to watch.
    The chase never even begun as India didn't have the tools nor the personnel to combat the conditions. At least Amla has turned up in some chases even on flat decks where he is supposedly a weakness.

    It's not just bursts of acceleration that's needed but application as well. Like I stated above Amla has his shortcomings and is nowhere near perfect, so are any other international batsmen. Each player has their strengths and weakness. Amla's strengths make him an all rounded player in that he's good enough for any side and would be an assert as he's not conditions dependent.
    Other players are good too, in conditions that suit them. That's the difference.
    The problem with Amla isn't that he can't score in tough tracks...he can do it all.

    The problem is that Amla has pretty much never scored in any tournament when his teams need him to do. Even in tough pressure moments in normal games, you will see Amla floundering more often than not.

    If ODIs were like tests, Amla would be an ODI ATG.

    But ODIs ain't like tests so people are willing to overlook the flaws of others more than Amla.

    Is Amla an under-rated ODI bat in some ways? Absolutely.

    But is Amla someone you would have over the other flawed bats? No.
    Last edited by sensible-indian-fan; 17th February 2017 at 09:30.


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    The problem is that Amla has pretty much never scored in any tournament when his teams need him to do -
    The same applies to Messi and Ronaldo. They failed to deliver for the country

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    Five star Tahir dismantles New Zealand in Auckland

    IMRAN TAHIR returned career-best figures for the Standard Bank Proteas in Twenty20 Internationals as they made a convincing start to their tour of New Zealand with a comprehensive, 78-run victory in their one-off clash in Auckland on Friday.

    The leg-spinner led a stellar bowling display by taking 5/24 – the third best figures ever for South Africa – as the hosts were bundled out for 107 in 14.5 overs. It was also the biggest-ever win in terms of runs over their opponents.

    The groundwork for the result was done by seam duo of Andile Phehlukwayo and Chris Morris, the pair picking up the other five wickets between them.

    Morris bowled with fine control as he claimed 2/10 in three overs, both his wickets coming from successive deliveries, while Phehlukwayo chipped in with his first international wickets in 20-over cricket thanks to an impressive 3/19 in his three overs.

    Tahir, who was also on a hat-trick at one stage, then managed to overcome a slippery ball caused by rain to clean up the tail in his 3.5 overs of magic. Only Ryan McLaren’s 5/19 and 5/23 by David Wiese bettered the feat of the veteran 37-year-old.

    Earlier, it was Hashim Amla that set the tone for the tourists with his sixth half-century for South Africa. The opener powered 62 (43 balls, 9 fours, 1 six) to help his side post 185/6 after they lost the toss and were asked to bat first.

    Amla made excellent use of timing and conventional hitting during his knock, which included hitting four boundaries in four balls off Ben Wheeler to start the fifth over. Faf du Plessis (36) shared in the vital partnership of the innings, which contributed 87 runs in just 8.2 overs for the second wicket, as the Proteas easily surpassed the par score in the 160s on an overcast evening at Eden Park.

    Quinton de Kock (0), who fell to the outstanding Trent Boult (2/8), had a rare failure, but there were other useful contributions from the likes of AB de Villiers (26) and JP Duminy (29) allowing the South Africans to set what proved to be a match-winning total.

    A five-match, One-Day International series between the two teams begins in Hamilton on Sunday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    The problem with Amla isn't that he can't score in tough tracks...he can do it all.

    The problem is that Amla has pretty much never scored in any tournament when his teams need him to do. Even in tough pressure moments in normal games, you will see Amla floundering more often than not.

    If ODIs were like tests, Amla would be an ODI ATG.

    But ODIs ain't like tests so people are willing to overlook the flaws of others more than Amla.

    Is Amla an under-rated ODI bat in some ways? Absolutely.

    But is Amla someone you would have over the other flawed bats? No.
    I think you're arguing something different, you've got a point though even though I've covered it in other threads.
    The argument against Amla hasn't been about tournaments, not the crux of it anyway.
    Just to get that clear, it's been well documented how poor he's been at ICC events. Even though others have failed to.

    However the main argument against Amla is his inability to accelerate and up the anti outside powerplays. There is a lot of truth to that, I'm not going to sit here and apologize for Amla. He has his chinks in his armour I'm not arrogant enough to even try and deny them.

    Look at a guy like Rohit Sharma, i think he has two double tons. Amla will never score an ODI double in two life terms. He has bursts of acceleration Amla can't reach. He has gears Amla can't reach.
    But would I have Rohit Sharma over Amla outside India? Answer is no.

    He scores so quickly in those powerplays that his inability to clear the boundary in the latter stages is inconsequential. Today was another classic example of Amla taking the pitch out of the equation. This match was won and lost in the powerplay if we really analyse this game.
    SA were 56/1, NZ 36/2. The new ball was nipping about not only did Amla ensure we didn't lose wickets in clusters but he attacked. On the other hand NZ were strangled to death. @Ozymandiasza has a point above, SA finished this match poorly with the bat. However Amla's rapid start on this tricky wicket gave SA an advantage to the point that NZ brilliant bowling in the end was too late.
    It's how SA has been winning matches over the last 7/8 years. Quick fire start upfront, consolidate after 20 overs and accelerate at the death. 90 % of our wins have been like that thanks to Amla. When he doesn't fire in the first 10 we lose whether we're chasing or not.
    It's these quick fire starts that ease the pressure on the likes of AB and Faf. They knock the ball about without any scoreboard pressure, set their eye in and accelerate in the end. Take two early wickets upfront and watch us crumble. The opposition try to emulate Amla by going too hard upfront and lose the plot very early.

    So scoring in the powerplays isn't always a clear cut opportunity in certain conditions. It takes tremendous amount of skill to find gaps, especially when the ball is moving about.
    Take Kohli , another very very good player in Indian conditions, he'll chase a thousand runs there. Then take a look at his match winning performances in SA, ENG AUS & NZ and you'll come up with disappointing numbers.

    Alma doesn't restrict a team like players who need certain conditions. Yes he won't win matches on his own. But will definitely give you a higher chance.

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    Pitches might be flat all over the world nowadays with a few exceptions, but are conditions the same?
    I don't think so, that's just my opinion

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