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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    M/s Llong doing his sh!tty reputation no wrong.
    Nigel Long? That was not out dude. Hit outside the line

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I have given explanations for it many times and I can't go through the efforts again.

    Every single sentence of your post is factually wrong brother (be it reg spin vs results, action, his performances in LOI, etc).

    Spin does not automatically mean its easy to bowl.

    Just check average of English spinners on non turners in Vizag and Mohali and then compare it to their averages in Mumbai where ball turned from day 1. Indian spinners averaged very well in those non turners too.

    How is that possible? Hint: True bounce.

    If you think Pak (or any other) spinners are gonna run through batting lineups on turning true bounce pitches in first innings, then you can't be more mistaken.

    I will let someone else who has read my posts explain it cos I have done it way way way too many times on PP.
    Well true bounce can be used as weapon by bowlers, last time who did that effectively, Monty, his pace was higher than anybody else with good control, he was man of the match in one of the test won by England. He gave us tough time in UAE too, again because of extra pace. Where as Moeen and Rashid don't have pace or control... I still think Indian batsmen has not been challenged by any spinner this season...

    You also need batsman who knows how to use crease, KP did that well....

    The other advantage India gets is that there batsmen are playing 15 test, 8 months in a row, that's termindous advantage turn or no turn, and they have played against team likes WI, NZ, ENG and now AUS... its like give PAK, SL, IND, BD to Aus one after the other, they will have field day, regardless of conditions...

    We have seen even with our team, after one series it's too easy, after 2 it's like national team vs school boys. This does not happen in any other sports, home conditions are very difficult task in test, And more you play on same conditions better you get, take of winning become ever so harder for next team to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Nigel Long? That was not out dude. Hit outside the line
    The impact was umpire's call against Jadeja, that's what I gathered from (online) commentary.
    Last edited by R0H1T; 23rd February 2017 at 06:49.

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    Michael Clarke is a delight to listen.


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    Seems like we will see 220 runs in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    The impact was umpire's call against Jadeja, that's what I gathered from (online) commentary.
    Umpire called it outside the line and rightly so. It was a terrific decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Well true bounce can be used as weapon by bowlers, last time who did that effectively, Monty, his pace was higher than anybody else with good control, he was man of the match in one of the test won by England. He gave us tough time in UAE too, again because of extra pace. Where as Moeen and Rashid don't have pace or control... I still think Indian batsmen has not been challenged by any spinner this season...

    You also need batsman who knows how to use crease, KP did that well....

    The other advantage India gets is that there batsmen are playing 15 test, 8 months in a row, that's termindous advantage turn or no turn, and they have played against team likes WI, NZ, ENG and now AUS... its like give PAK, SL, IND, BD to Aus one after the other, they will have field day, regardless of conditions...

    We have seen even with our team, after one series it's too easy, after 2 it's like national team vs school boys. This does not happen in any other sports, home conditions are very difficult task in test, And more you play on same conditions better you get, take of winning become ever so harder for next team to win.
    So did Ashwin.

    Took 10fer in the last 2 true bounce pitches he played.

    Point is true bounce pitches are high scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Seems like we will see 220 runs in the day.
    Smart play by Aussies. Their goal is to bat atleast 150 overs for 450. 4 rpo will be a dream on this pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Michael Clarke is a delight to listen.
    Tactical genius he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    This pitch is bad one for Day 1. However, I'm pretty sure you haven't watched Ind vs NZ or Eng. The pitches never turned this much. Infact very high scores were made by both teams in the first innings. Sure, there is a bit of turn but credit goes to Indian spinners and that's the beauty and uniqueness of Sub continent cricket.
    One of my point is test cricket is lot more fun when both teams are evenly matched for conditions, I enjoy Aus Vs SA lot more than any other team in those conditions, because home advantage is less of concern.

    Similarly, Pakistan Vs India test were really good when they used to play... Many times we play well in England, those are enjoyable series.... but in Australia, we are way off most of the time to make a good viewing...

    On the same line, most teams now coming to Asia are little too weak in playing spin, it's less fun to watch... I am not saying Pakistani team is better than Indian, they are better than us ATM, but will can give them much better fight than anybody else, same is true if hey visit us...True test series in Asia is missing, as a fan I am watching second tier cricket, that is also a reason for decline of test cricket in Asia...

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    Mitch Mash is also playing this test?? 🙄🙄🙄

    That's horrible selection, you got to play spin Arounder and two frontline spinner. They are playing one spinner and two alrounders. They don't have another frontline spinner...

    That's another fundamental problem with western team, they don't have spinners, even if they are don't know how to bowl in Asia, because bowling in Asia and west is very different.

    Sort of what happen to our bowlers in Australia, you need to be tall and bowl very different length than in Asia, something which we have not over come in 70 years to win on bounce 😴😴

    Those reasons are another example why we end up watching uneven matchups and second tier cricket many times in test

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    The impact was umpire's call against Jadeja, that's what I gathered from (online) commentary.
    Was about a 1/100th of the ball in line with the stumps on impact.

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    Clark was from Sydney, no wonder he was so good at playing spin...

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    Hand comb is impressive here, he was good against Yasir in Australia too...Australia have found good temperamental players in RS and HC, they are playing well, on not so easy pitches...

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    Jaddu gets Handscomb ! India need a collapse soon, or this match is slipping away.

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    Now Ash strikes !! Smith

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    Australia are breaking down now!

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    What a stupid shot by Smith considering Handscomb was just gone. Opportunity lost for Aussies

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    Unplayable minefield yet all 4 wickets are soft dismissals.

    How how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Clark was from Sydney, no wonder he was so good at playing spin...
    IIRC, his coach was from subcontinent and taught him spin from a very young age

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    Now this is looking like the usual visiting Test team suit in India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Jaddu gets Handscomb ! India need a collapse soon, or this match is slipping away.
    Aapke muh me ghee shakkar


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Unplayable minefield yet all 4 wickets are soft dismissals.

    How how?
    Lack of experience and focus. The technique was top notch by Aussies today but they lack focus for long periods of time

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    LOLstralia

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    That was a horrible decision. Overturned by the 3rd umpire.

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    We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Hand comb is impressive here, he was good against Yasir in Australia too...Australia have found good temperamental players in RS and HC, they are playing well, on not so easy pitches...
    Playing that inside the crease?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Lack of experience and focus. The technique was top notch by Aussies today but they lack focus for long periods of time
    Just tells you how much research these commies do before talking. Clarke is the odd man out there who is all class.

    This pitch will turn all the wicket taking deliveries is into just miss oohs and aahs.

    So if batsman apply, they will score runs here like every team has done on these pitches.

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    Aus lost wickets due to concentration.

    Their technique (top order) has been commendable.

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    So, Warner and Smith faced 90+ balls and after getting set, they have thrown their wickets. Neither could Marsh and Handscomb carry on after the start.

    Yet to score a first fifty by anyone of them.

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    Give it a rest Warnie. We get that pitch is turning square.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Aus lost wickets due to concentration.

    Their technique (top order) has been commendable.
    Jadeja told this about them the last time they toured as well,he said English batsmen had more patience compared to Aussie counterparts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Jadeja told this about them the last time they toured as well,he said English batsmen had more patience compared to Aussie counterparts.
    True.

    If they had patience, they could have easily been on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!
    Yup problem is you have to back someone like Rahane considering we ll have future away tours.


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    Problem with such a defensive approach is that your are only human, you will make a mistake, or even get an unplayable ball. Have to keep ticking away.

    Think Australia were hoping that if they stay patient, eventually Kohli and his bowlers will panic. Risky strategy when on this pitch, with Ashwin and Jadeja, his bowlers are always going to be in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Give it a rest Warnie. We get that pitch is turning square.
    What's disappointing is our commies (Gavaskar, Manjrekar, Shastri) egging him on. Only Clarke said this pitch looks worse than it behaves.

    Someone needs to tell them that the LOWEST first innings score in the last 5 years on this type of Indian pitch has been 330 by India against rampaging Panesar and Swann...and we scored that on the back of JUST 2 BATSMAN clicking with half of our team over the hill.

    Yes 330 has been the lowest first innings score.

    Every other total (including Eng and Aus innings) was above 400.

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    went out for lunch and 2 wickets gone.. maybe i should eat more..

    At 153/4, India have done well to make a come back, but each run scores by the aussies will be important as India have to bat last on this dust bowl..

    I wish I could watch live..

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Unplayable minefield yet all 4 wickets are soft dismissals.

    How how?
    T20 effect... why that does not happen at home, well you are more accustomed to those conditions...

    There also another human factor, most accidents happens near familiar roads around Neighbour hood, you take those for granted.... while batting on tough wickets, you take easy balls, carelessly...At the end you have to score too...

    India is using the same tactics to Australia what Australia does to Asian teams, greet them on GABBA, put them under mental pressure day one 😉😉😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    T20 effect... why that does not happen at home, well you are more accustomed to those conditions...
    Yeah T20 effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Playing that inside the crease?
    Yes, he uses his feet well too, but today there is too much spin and bounce to charging down the wicket.

    He was undone by arm ball

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    India well on top as expected


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    India well on top as expected
    If Australia had the spinners they'd still be ahead


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    If Australia had the spinners they'd still be ahead
    About to get bowled out for 200 on day one after electing to bat.

    India well on track to win by an innings.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    India well on top as expected
    Aus could have very easily been 150/1 or 150/2 as of now.

    If they fix the temperament issue, we could have a great series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    What's disappointing is our commies (Gavaskar, Manjrekar, Shastri) egging him on. Only Clarke said this pitch looks worse than it behaves.

    Someone needs to tell them that the LOWEST first innings score in the last 5 years on this type of Indian pitch has been 330 by India against rampaging Panesar and Swann...and we scored that on the back of JUST 2 BATSMAN clicking with half of our team over the hill.

    Yes 330 has been the lowest first innings score.

    Every other total (including Eng and Aus innings) was above 400.
    What do you expect from that ****** bunch, all shastri tries to do is find flaws to blame kumble bcz he did not get the coaching job and the mumbai lobby backing him. With warne being the whiny ***** he has always been.
    Though i think scores were below 300 in nagpur game against SA
    Last edited by jagatk; 23rd February 2017 at 08:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    What do you expect from that ****** bunch, all shastri tries to do is find flaws to blame kumble bcz he did not get the coaching job and the mumbai lobby backing him. With warne being the whiny ***** he has always been.
    Though i think scores were below 300 in nagpur game against SA
    Was talking about true bounce pitch.

    Mumbai - India scored 330. Eng scored 420.
    Chennai - Aus scored 390. India scored 530.
    Chennai - Eng scored 480. India scored 620. (this one was a non turner patta though)

    Today - Aus at 150/4

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Aus could have very easily been 150/1 or 150/2 as of now.

    If they fix the temperament issue, we could have a great series.
    Temperament has been an issue for a decade plus. They're not going to fix it now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Ashwin's lengths haven't been consistent post lunch. Needs to bowl more in good length area where he seems to trouble bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Yes, he uses his feet well too, but today there is too much spin and bounce to charging down the wicket.

    He was undone by arm ball
    Dont think thats the right way to play jaddu that inside but i could be wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    We would have felt more comfortable with Nair in the team instead of Rahane on this pitch! However our lower middle order will make sure that we don't face problems in putting up totals ahead of opposition!
    One triple century on a flat track and Nair is better than Rahane.For all we know Nair may not be good against spin as well. Nair will get his chances South Indian buddy.

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    Marsh is there for the taking.

    The bowler who bowls well will get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Marsh is there for the taking.

    The bowler who bowls well will get him.
    Jaddu's arm ball does it. Easy peasy. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    About to get bowled out for 200 on day one after electing to bat.

    India well on track to win by an innings.
    No amount of jinx work in subcontinent for the firangi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post

    The bowler who bowls well will get him.
    Seriously SIF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Was talking about true bounce pitch.

    Mumbai - India scored 330. Eng scored 420.
    Chennai - Aus scored 390. India scored 530.
    Chennai - Eng scored 480. India scored 620. (this one was a non turner patta though)

    Today - Aus at 150/4
    Oh i thought you were talking about all games.

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    In recent times whenever I look at an India Test card and see Ashwin not having 3-4 wickets I do a double tak=ke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    One triple century on a flat track and Nair is better than Rahane.For all we know Nair may not be good against spin as well. Nair will get his chances South Indian buddy.
    What is South Indian about it? I was concerned on the nature of the pitch. With shaky openers (Vijay is no more than what he was couple of years back, Rahul has temperament issues just like Aussie Batsmen) So if Kohli or Pujara don't play long innings (on this difficult track), then a collapse is on (We have seen Rahane on turners). Though we have solid lower order, I felt Nair staying with them would have assured good totals!

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    Good 50 for Renshaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    Seriously SIF!
    I mean in the good length area...he was scratching around.

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    Renshaw is imposing and that's impressive on this pitch.

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    Quality knock by Renshaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    One of my point is test cricket is lot more fun when both teams are evenly matched for conditions, I enjoy Aus Vs SA lot more than any other team in those conditions, because home advantage is less of concern.

    Similarly, Pakistan Vs India test were really good when they used to play... Many times we play well in England, those are enjoyable series.... but in Australia, we are way off most of the time to make a good viewing...

    On the same line, most teams now coming to Asia are little too weak in playing spin, it's less fun to watch... I am not saying Pakistani team is better than Indian, they are better than us ATM, but will can give them much better fight than anybody else, same is true if hey visit us...True test series in Asia is missing, as a fan I am watching second tier cricket, that is also a reason for decline of test cricket in Asia...
    I see your point. Cricket will always be pitch dependent unlike baseball, football or other games. T20 takes the pitch effect away to a larger extent because of flat surfaces. That's also the beauty of the game though. A player who can perform in different conditions is a true champion and there are very few who can

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    What is South Indian about it? I was concerned on the nature of the pitch. With shaky openers (Vijay is no more than what he was couple of years back, Rahul has temperament issues just like Aussie Batsmen) So if Kohli or Pujara don't play long innings (on this difficult track), then a collapse is on (We have seen Rahane on turners). Though we have solid lower order, I felt Nair staying with them would have assured good totals!
    The point is Rahane is our best test bat and Nair hasn't been tested before. You say we have shaky top order if not for Kohli or Pujara then how can you throw a new player to handle such situations down the order. Rahane has been around some time now and has saved India from collapses,sure not against spin but we are not sure how good is Nair against anything let alone spin.The pitch where he scored wasn't that challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    The point is Rahane is our best test bat and Nair hasn't been tested before. You say we have shaky top order if not for Kohli or Pujara then how can you throw a new player to handle such situations down the order. Rahane has been around some time now and has saved India from collapses,sure not against spin but we are not sure how good is Nair against anything let alone spin.The pitch where he scored wasn't that challenging.
    We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!

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    It will always be good if our spinners are supported by pacers! Good stuff by Yadav!

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    190/6 Aus

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!
    You are assuming that Rahane hasn't worked on his weaknesses ever since. He is a hard working guy, very good test batsman and India's No.1 slip fielder. It would be stupid not to play him

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamLakhan View Post
    We have seen Rahane struggling against spinners. Let's hope it doesn't cost us this match or series (I am not that worried, but there can be some "heart in the mouth" scenarios)!
    He is too good a player to keep failing. Nair would surely get chances in near future but not sure at the place of Rahane unless he is injured.Let's hope for best.
    Last edited by Pollack; 23rd February 2017 at 08:49.

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    Looks like another innings victory for india.


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Renshaw has stood like a wall today. He will make sure Aussie donot lose all their wickets today. Well done SIr!

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    End of a good Rehshaw inning.

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    Oops.... well played though... Now we can finish off the tail and bat today.

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    I missed the whole match. Guys ,do India have any chance on this pitch?

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    Well played. Renshaw been so very impressive. Tells the onlookers why it is called a 'Test Match'.


    Ashwin should have his tail up now.

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    Game getting away from Australia now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roshanrocks View Post
    Renshaw has stood like a wall today. He will make sure Aussie donot lose all their wickets today. Well done SIr!
    That's some jinx man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser_Soze View Post
    I missed the whole match. Guys ,do India have any chance on this pitch?
    We will score just fine.

    Aus actually could have done well if they hadn't thrown away their wickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollack View Post
    He is too good a player to keep failing. Nair would surely get chances in near future but not sure at the place of Rahane unless he is injured.Let's hope for best.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    You are assuming that Rahane hasn't worked on his weaknesses ever since. He is a hard working guy, very good test batsman and India's No.1 slip fielder. It would be stupid not to play him
    While I like Rahane a lot, I have to be honest:

    On a turner against accurate bowlers, I wouldn't place my bets on him.

    He hasn't improved in years. He maybe working on it but he hasn't improved.

    When he performs on turners, then we can believe him.

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    Umesh Yadav has been terrific this home season.

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    Not that I am saying Nair should replace him per se.

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