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    Top performance by Aus batsmen and dismissal by our batsmen,hopefully we learn from this.


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    Starc has bowled 2 overs . He's being kept nice and fresh.

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    I'm wondering to think if Dhoni with DRS as a captain would had been more efficient in this series.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I am really trying hard here but I find this bowling by O Keefe mediocre and Kohli got bowled.

    He NEVER turned anything Kohli. Easy dead bat defense was all needed.

    Jaddu bowled this same delivery 100 times and was defended with ease.
    Because the pitch creates variations and makes the ball turn. Except occasionaly they just go straight. Kohli had been playing for the spin the entire innings.

    On this sort of pitch you're going to get out eventually like that - see Australia in Sri Lanka or Shaun Marsh this test.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Why our bowlers tried to spin the ball instead of bowling darts is my problem?
    They weren't full enough which they deserve 100% blame.

    But reality is we should have scored 250 in first innings (94-3 and collapsed due to useless slogs) and taken our catches in 2nd innings.

    If we did that, we would be chasing 150-175 odd and this would be a close game and THEN we can blame our bats/spinners for not doing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

    You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

    Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

    Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
    Yeah O'Keefe bowled much smarter than Jadeja

    If all you have to do is bowl straight to get wickets then not bowling straight is poor bowling


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It's settled.

    Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, VVS and Dhoni > this Indian batting line up.

    By a landslide.
    They didn't have to face the great man himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    I think both teams have gifted some wickets away. So this excuse that Indian batsmen are getting out to nonthreatening deliveries is a weak one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Yeah O'Keefe bowled much smarter than Jadeja

    If all you have to do is bowl straight to get wickets then not bowling straight is poor bowling
    Definitely in this wicket and not on flat phattas

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

    You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

    Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

    Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
    Jaddu bowled well.Better than Ash atleast.Maybe turned it too much lol.Jaddu wasnt getting his arm ball right,if one were to nitpick

    Our batsmen have been poor no doubt.I'm okay with Steve Smith doing better but even Marsh and Starc batted more sensibly


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    Woahhhh that one turned and bounced massively

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    Amazing performance from Australia

    Next 3 matches will be tough for Australia

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    Unreal delivery by Okeefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Because the pitch creates variations and makes the ball turn. Except occasionaly they just go straight. Kohli had been playing for the spin the entire innings.

    On this sort of pitch you're going to get out eventually like that - see Australia in Sri Lanka or Shaun Marsh this test.
    Shaun Marsh got out cos Ash was spinning other deliveries and he got flummoxed by the straighter one. Herath killed Aus with that.

    That is HARD to play.

    But O keefe is bowling straight, hardly spinning anything.

    Bats have to do 3 things on this pitch:

    1. Get forward for full deliveries
    2. Get backward for short deliveries
    3. Get forward and defend your bat in a way that NO spin/little spin gets defended while LOTS of spin results in beaten.

    Now if O keefe had got any dismissals where the ball turned MORE than little spin but less than lots of spin...you can't blame the bats.

    How many dismissals are there like that?

    Big fat zero in this match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    I'm wondering to think if Dhoni with DRS as a captain would had been more efficient in this series.
    He definitely handled spinnners better


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    Lyon comes in a bowls a murali like delivery. Massive turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Exactly.Why would you leave when its not turning
    That's the judgement & understanding of which way the ball is going to turn & how much - add to that drift & angle of delivery (how close or far from the wicket ball is at release point, to judge that, they take guards at the start of innings as the stance for different player is not identical).

    At highest level, this is done when the ball is in air & then use your feet to reach the pich of the ball so that one can kill the spin at half-volley with soft wrists - see some archives how Lara, Azhar, Gavaskar or Javed played spin. Modern greats does that from wicket - which is workable when you are batting on belters & 60 metre grounds; marvelous if you are in the class of Sanga, Virat, YK, Amla, even our Mushi .... . But, if there is lot for the spinners on the surface Ashwin, Jaddu, Miraz, Herath, O'Keefe .... all becomes same, so are ..........

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    On a rank turner, Indians giving wi met to a non spinning spinner.

    A guy like Afridi could destroy any batting unit just because of the pace at which he bowls.

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    Oh my now what will happen to us when Australia plays us

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    Starc hasnt even bowled yet


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    I think lyon has a very good chance of picking up wickets here. He is the ideal kind of off spinner for these conditions. Gets good turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Definitely in this wicket and not on flat phattas
    Well yeah. Jadeja is a better bowler than O'Keefe. But O'Keefe has bowled much better this match.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

    You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

    Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

    Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
    Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Big spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

    Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

    On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
    Last edited by Big Mac; 25th February 2017 at 08:08.

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    Australia shouldn't get sloppy here. Wrap the game up asap.

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    Australia are just better than this Indian side.

    They'd smash this same Indian side back home and have proven they're more than capable of hanging with India on turners.


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Jaddu bowled well.Better than Ash atleast.Maybe turned it too much lol.Jaddu wasnt getting his arm ball right,if one were to nitpick

    Our batsmen have been poor no doubt.I'm okay with Steve Smith doing better but even Marsh and Starc batted more sensibly
    Jaddu wasn't full enough and couldn't get many to straighten in second innings as much as first. Aus bats were playing intentionally to get beaten on the big spin one.

    Ashwin wasn't consistent enough in his threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Starc hasnt even bowled yet
    He has bowled 2 overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Oh my now what will happen to us when Australia plays us
    I would have liked your chances against India on a turner. They're nowhere as good as I thought they were.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Oh my now what will happen to us when Australia plays us

    You will get Okeefed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

    Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

    On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
    I 100% agree with you.

    All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

    If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    How have they not worked out that the ball is just going straight?
    O'Keefe's mystery ball.

    Kohli was playing for the one that doesn't turn but O'Keefe bowled the one that doesn't turn in the other direction instead.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Pujara may score big but it won't be enough

    Have been proven wrong. I though a 4-0 was guaranteed and the only instance it won't be was if a match was drawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    He definitely handled spinnners better
    And now Indians begin to appreciate Dhoni

    Whatever happened to Legendary Kaaptaan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Lyon comes in a bowls a murali like delivery. Massive turn.
    Massive turn does not get any wickets. Only good for a few oohs and aahs.

    It's the non spinning all with variable bounce is the wi ket tamp ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I 100% agree with you.

    All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

    If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.
    Look closer to home buddy... your batsmen just aren't very good against spin when it's turning this much.


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    'Keefe is the first Aus left arm spinner to take eight wkts in a Test in India
    Previous most was 7/182 by Ray Bright, Chennai, 1986"

    -CB


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    Okay thats a pathetic shot by rahane.

    In supporting conditions for spin, Indians arent good batsmen unlike their previous generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    I 100% agree with you.

    All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

    If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.
    Oh yeah, that's true. I'd fancy my chances against O'Keefe bowling like this and yet he's tearing India a new one. I have no idea what's going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Well yeah. Jadeja is a better bowler than O'Keefe. But O'Keefe has bowled much better this match.
    Sir that what we r saying all along that indian spin bowling in this match is very poor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Oh my now what will happen to us when Australia plays us
    Depends on toss - had Smith called wrong here, now still IND would have been batting - 400 ahead & 5 wickets at hand. It's really tough to bat 2nd in IND - be a rank turner or belter.

    I hardly could watch the BD-IND Test, but later followed it in PP - no wonder I am missing few posters here today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    And now Indians begin to appreciate Dhoni

    Whatever happened to Legendary Kaaptaan?
    Legendary kaptaan handles pacers better and will give us away wins (hopefully )

    Not too bad for the no.1 team


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Massive turn does not get any wickets. Only good for a few oohs and aahs.

    It's the non spinning all with variable bounce is the wi ket tamp ball.
    That's upto the skill of the bowler to create confusions by bowling non-spinning deliveries in between.

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    @sensible-indian-fan what is happening here is what Smith meant when he said preseries about making sure the Indians only had one edge to take wickets from.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Top performance by Aus batsmen and dismissal by our batsmen,hopefully we learn from this.
    Batsmen of this quality will no doubt learn from their mistakes.

    Also likely to see Karun play over Jayant next game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Look closer to home buddy... your batsmen just aren't very good against spin when it's turning this much.
    Which is what I am saying.

    Our bats have been using atrocious technique.

    I never said this when herath destroyed us in Galle. That time I blamed them for poor spin playing but this is a shocker.

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    Next time we gotta make sure we don't let Aussies load their own luggage


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    The only positive from this test for India is they took 20 wickets, The batting performance was inexcusably bad though. Even the toss excuse is not lame enough for a team to lose 7 wickets for 10 runs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Next time we gotta make sure we don't let Aussies load their own luggage

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    Rahne's approach is better - won't survive long here, if he tries to do dead bat survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Batsmen of this quality will no doubt learn from their mistakes.

    Also likely to see Karun play over Jayant next game.
    Karun should play but instead of tall and mighty Ishant


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It's settled.

    Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, VVS and Dhoni > this Indian batting line up.

    By a landslide.
    The problem is Vijay and Pujara who made their Test Debuts much before Kohli. They seem to not have mastered the Test batting even after all the experience, exposure and moreover they are Test Specialists! Definitely can't compare to that batting lineup! It takes 1 or 2 years at least to have a better settled batting line up. That's why I mentioned Vijay and Pujara, if these guys had settled, then the rest of the guys would have jelled properly. Hence we will keep restarting. That's the reason why we should play to our strengths. Have batting friendly pitches where our late order batting also becomes handy, and with 5 bowlers we will always force a win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Australia are just better than this Indian side.

    They'd smash this same Indian side back home and have proven they're more than capable of hanging with India on turners.
    Man wait until the series is finished. If aus wins the series we will be the first to give them credit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    @sensible-indian-fan what is happening here is what Smith meant when he said preseries about making sure the Indians only had one edge to take wickets from.
    True...

    Australia owned us BIG TIME.

    I was terribly impressed when they were willing to get beaten.

    Knew it would look great in match but in reality, Aus was winning by getting beaten.

    As for O Keefe, let me clarify, he has been the most effective bowler this test who bowled the BEST lines. But its that just doesn't spin anything that its disappointing to see Indians losing wickets to him even without him creating much doubts.

    Most likely will take a 6fer in this innings too if we keep batting like this. If we apply like Aussies did, he may not do so well this innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drreddymd View Post
    Man wait until the series is finished. If aus wins the series we will be the first to give them credit
    It doesn't matter if they go on to lose, this would never happen to Aus at home

    Rahane out, India 4 down.

    A 3 day loss at home.


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    Why is Rahane so useless on turners?

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    Rahane gone


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    Rahane gets out to O Keefe.

    Please explain this dismissal and tell me what's brilliant about this ball and how Rahane got outwitted.

    I want to know.

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    Okeefe strikes again

    What a useless player of spin Rahane is.

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    Rahane gone too


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    9fer for SOK.

    Still 6 Indian wickets left.


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    Rahane never fully presses forward while playing spin

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    Okeefe vs India

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    God Damn this is BRUTAL!!!! A real humbling occasion for the Indians


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    The only positive from this test for India is they took 20 wickets, The batting performance was inexcusably bad though. Even the toss excuse is not lame enough for a team to lose 7 wickets for 10 runs.
    Indian team is to be blamed completely and kudos to aus for a brilliant performance.

    Good times will not last for ever and our combination will back fire at some point of time and it it happened.

    What they will do next shows what they r made of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Next time we gotta make sure we don't let Aussies load their own luggage


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    Harbhajan and Ganguly "If Australia play well, India will win 3-0, otherwise 4-0"

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    Said it a couple of months ago but Rahane will always be behind Kohli even as a test player. He is showing he struggles vs spin but also he will play one good innings in a series that will make you say wow,etc. Than he will play support knocks and others in the line up will outshine him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    True...

    Australia owned us BIG TIME.

    I was terribly impressed when they were willing to get beaten.

    Knew it would look great in match but in reality, Aus was winning by getting beaten.

    As for O Keefe, let me clarify, he has been the most effective bowler this test who bowled the BEST lines. But its that just doesn't spin anything that its disappointing to see Indians losing wickets to him even without him creating much doubts.

    Most likely will take a 6fer in this innings too if we keep batting like this. If we apply like Aussies did, he may not do so well this innings.
    Don't worry. O'Keefe has made an entire career taking wickets as a finger spinner in Australian conditions without turning the ball.

    At least nobody this test has been out bowled while trying to cut him which happens like 5+ times a season in shield cricket.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Rahane gets out to O Keefe.

    Please explain this dismissal and tell me what's brilliant about this ball and how Rahane got outwitted.

    I want to know.
    O'Keefe manipulated physics. It's akin to chucking in cricketing circles.

    O'KEEFFE'D

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    Harbajaan and Ganguly ducking for cover.

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    This is India's Mark Craig moment, but even more hilarious because of how badly he has owned them


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
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    Bradman is here

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    SOK is close to a 10-fer,needs only 1 of the remaining 6 wickets.

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    This is what happens when you turn Ashwin into a batsman.. India really a batter short here. Limit players to whatever their particular role is. I knew batting would have a toll on Ashwin's bowling and it is already obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry. O'Keefe has made an entire career taking wickets as a finger spinner in Australian conditions without turning the ball.

    At least nobody this test has been out bowled while trying to cut him which happens like 5+ times a season in shield cricket.
    I am not sure I understood your larger point.

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    Man, I can't believe I wasted all that time tinkering with my technique to get more dip and spin.

    It turns out the slow ball that does absolutely nothing is the deadliest delivery of them all, why did nobody tell me this years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Big spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

    Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

    On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
    Aussie spinners were giving it more flight and bowling a lot slower than the Indians. I was watching Ashwin and Jadeja bowling quick wanting to get through their overs and not the let the pitch do their thing.....


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    That is what u call a classic soft rahane dismisal. He is a tailender in indian pitches

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    It's going to be epic to see if India show some weakness and go back to flat tracks.

    India would be admitting they don't back themselves to beat Australia on pitches that suit their strength.


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    O'keefe averages 24 with the ball in a country that is known as graveyard for spinners, where so called legends like Yasir Shah and Ashwin have been humiliated time and time again.

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