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    Remembering Bob Woolmer - A Decade On

    This Saturday will mark the 10 year anniversary since Bob Woolmer passed away in his hotel room in Jamaica.

    I am sure everyone on this forum remembers that dark day in Pakistani cricket, and world cricket's history.

    The heartbreaking scenes coming from the hotel as vicious rumours circled with regards to the circumstances surrounding Bob's demise.

    Mushtaq Ahmed recently gave an interview in which he said:

    "I remember we all cried on that day and we couldn't control our emotions. I think he was the best coach at that time."
    Mushtaq's view was shared by many around the world. Inzi claimed in an interview that Bob was the Pakistani teams "Superman"

    Bob did wonders for the Pakistani team and he had absolutely amazing chemistry with the boys.






    He was a revolutionary coach, and someone who was constantly thinking out of the box. he was a pioneer of using technology within his coaching methods.

    Gone but never forgotten - Pakistani cricket was very fortunate to have a coach like Bob Woolmer.
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    For a short period, Woolmer presided over a solid, if uninspiring Pakistan outfit but that all fell apart. Sadly, it all fell apart for WOolmer's health too and the ridiculous conspiracy theories that surrounded his death did him a great disservice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    For a short period, Woolmer presided over a solid, if uninspiring Pakistan outfit but that all fell apart. Sadly, it all fell apart for WOolmer's health too and the ridiculous conspiracy theories that surrounded his death did him a great disservice.
    How was it uninspiring

    Our 2005-2006 squad was very exciting especially in ODIs

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    The period between 2004-2006 with Woolmer-Inzamam-Shehryar at the helm was a rare spell of stability for Pakistan who had been wracked by instability and inconsistency for at least a decade.

    He was criticised by some for being a "laptop coach" but his methods were innovative and his track record of player development speaks for itself. He had a good eye for talent, getting the best out of players like Rana Naved and even Rao Iftikhar, let alone the big names like Mohammad Asif, Younis Khan, Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq who enjoyed his best run of form under Woolmer.

    In Tests, we beat India at home and drew with them away with what was considered one of the weakest bowling attacks we've had. We didn't lose a home Test series under his tenure which was an important feat given how weak our home record was in the 1990s and early 2000s. In ODIs, we came from 2-0 down to beat India 4-2 away in what was his finest achievement. We also beat England, West Indies home and away, and Sri Lanka away.

    Sadly, things fell apart during the 2006 summer in England. After Ovalgate, Woolmer's work became a victim of the gross unprofessionalism of his board and his out of control players. Inzamam's captaincy was becoming too defensive and stubborn, whilst religious exhibitionism was at its peak. I'll never forgive Asif and Akhtar for the Nandrolone affair, and them consequently chickening out of the 2007 World Cup because they were too scared they'd fail a drug test.

    Akhtar was a disgrace in this period - perennially unfit and at one point was recorded physically shoving Woolmer because that's what a real man does eh ? Attack someone over twice your age. For that tenure to end with the Ireland defeat was tragic and still hard to swallow. Watching his head slump on his hands as yet another Pakistani wicket fell that day at Sabina Park summed up the rapid descent of his team after the highs of the previous two years.

    Woolmer retained his down to earth approach even during the tough spells, his analytical mind constantly at work. Not many possess the depth of cricketing knowledge that he had as his excellent book Art and Science of Cricket demonstrates and was always willing to engage with fans. He even maintained a blog here on PP where he answered questions. Cricket was his passion no matter whether he was assisting an Associate side as he did when at the ICC High Performance Centre, schoolkids making their way up the ladder, or international teams.

    RIP Bob, thanks for the memories. Your work won't be forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    The period between 2004-2006 with Woolmer-Inzamam-Shehryar at the helm was a rare spell of stability for Pakistan who had been wracked by instability and inconsistency for at least a decade.

    He was criticised by some for being a "laptop coach" but his methods were innovative and his track record of player development speaks for itself. He had a good eye for talent, getting the best out of players like Rana Naved and even Rao Iftikhar, let alone the big names like Mohammad Asif, Younis Khan, Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq who enjoyed his best run of form under Woolmer.

    In Tests, we beat India at home and drew with them away with what was considered one of the weakest bowling attacks we've had. We didn't lose a home Test series under his tenure which was an important feat given how weak our home record was in the 1990s and early 2000s. In ODIs, we came from 2-0 down to beat India 4-2 away in what was his finest achievement. We also beat England, West Indies home and away, and Sri Lanka away.

    Sadly, things fell apart during the 2006 summer in England. After Ovalgate, Woolmer's work became a victim of the gross unprofessionalism of his board and his out of control players. Inzamam's captaincy was becoming too defensive and stubborn, whilst religious exhibitionism was at its peak. I'll never forgive Asif and Akhtar for the Nandrolone affair, and them consequently chickening out of the 2007 World Cup because they were too scared they'd fail a drug test.

    Akhtar was a disgrace in this period - perennially unfit and at one point was recorded physically shoving Woolmer because that's what a real man does eh ? Attack someone over twice your age. For that tenure to end with the Ireland defeat was tragic and still hard to swallow. Watching his head slump on his hands as yet another Pakistani wicket fell that day at Sabina Park summed up the rapid descent of his team after the highs of the previous two years.

    Woolmer retained his down to earth approach even during the tough spells, his analytical mind constantly at work. Not many possess the depth of cricketing knowledge that he had as his excellent book Art and Science of Cricket demonstrates and was always willing to engage with fans. He even maintained a blog here on PP where he answered questions. Cricket was his passion no matter whether he was assisting an Associate side as he did when at the ICC High Performance Centre, schoolkids making their way up the ladder, or international teams.

    RIP Bob, thanks for the memories. Your work won't be forgotten.
    Excellent and touching tribute bro! POTE worthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    The period between 2004-2006 with Woolmer-Inzamam-Shehryar at the helm was a rare spell of stability for Pakistan who had been wracked by instability and inconsistency for at least a decade.

    He was criticised by some for being a "laptop coach" but his methods were innovative and his track record of player development speaks for itself. He had a good eye for talent, getting the best out of players like Rana Naved and even Rao Iftikhar, let alone the big names like Mohammad Asif, Younis Khan, Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq who enjoyed his best run of form under Woolmer.

    In Tests, we beat India at home and drew with them away with what was considered one of the weakest bowling attacks we've had. We didn't lose a home Test series under his tenure which was an important feat given how weak our home record was in the 1990s and early 2000s. In ODIs, we came from 2-0 down to beat India 4-2 away in what was his finest achievement. We also beat England, West Indies home and away, and Sri Lanka away.

    Sadly, things fell apart during the 2006 summer in England. After Ovalgate, Woolmer's work became a victim of the gross unprofessionalism of his board and his out of control players. Inzamam's captaincy was becoming too defensive and stubborn, whilst religious exhibitionism was at its peak. I'll never forgive Asif and Akhtar for the Nandrolone affair, and them consequently chickening out of the 2007 World Cup because they were too scared they'd fail a drug test.

    Akhtar was a disgrace in this period - perennially unfit and at one point was recorded physically shoving Woolmer because that's what a real man does eh ? Attack someone over twice your age. For that tenure to end with the Ireland defeat was tragic and still hard to swallow. Watching his head slump on his hands as yet another Pakistani wicket fell that day at Sabina Park summed up the rapid descent of his team after the highs of the previous two years.

    Woolmer retained his down to earth approach even during the tough spells, his analytical mind constantly at work. Not many possess the depth of cricketing knowledge that he had as his excellent book Art and Science of Cricket demonstrates and was always willing to engage with fans. He even maintained a blog here on PP where he answered questions. Cricket was his passion no matter whether he was assisting an Associate side as he did when at the ICC High Performance Centre, schoolkids making their way up the ladder, or international teams.

    RIP Bob, thanks for the memories. Your work won't be forgotten.
    Beautifully written.


    The Ireland match and Bob's passing soon after were definitely heartbreaking moments.


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    Lovely man. I met him for the first time at Leicestershire where Pakistan were playing a tour match.

    We had been chatting over email and when he realised it was me, he gave me a firm handshake and a hug as players and supporters looked on.

    Gone but will never be forgotten.
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    RIP Bob.

    IMHO the best coach Pakistan ever had.

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    2005-2006 was a brilliant period for us in LO, Bob had a big part to play in that. Gone but never forgotten. Thank you for the early cricketing memories you gave me with Pakistan.

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    Those players that wanted to learn and improve did so during Bob's reign. Those that had no intention to improve, showed their true colours.



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    Wonderful guy. Like someone said, there were some absolutely crazy conspiracy theories rolling around after he passed away which hurt even more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    The period between 2004-2006 with Woolmer-Inzamam-Shehryar at the helm was a rare spell of stability for Pakistan who had been wracked by instability and inconsistency for at least a decade.

    He was criticised by some for being a "laptop coach" but his methods were innovative and his track record of player development speaks for itself. He had a good eye for talent, getting the best out of players like Rana Naved and even Rao Iftikhar, let alone the big names like Mohammad Asif, Younis Khan, Salman Butt, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzamam-ul-Haq who enjoyed his best run of form under Woolmer.

    In Tests, we beat India at home and drew with them away with what was considered one of the weakest bowling attacks we've had. We didn't lose a home Test series under his tenure which was an important feat given how weak our home record was in the 1990s and early 2000s. In ODIs, we came from 2-0 down to beat India 4-2 away in what was his finest achievement. We also beat England, West Indies home and away, and Sri Lanka away.

    Sadly, things fell apart during the 2006 summer in England. After Ovalgate, Woolmer's work became a victim of the gross unprofessionalism of his board and his out of control players. Inzamam's captaincy was becoming too defensive and stubborn, whilst religious exhibitionism was at its peak. I'll never forgive Asif and Akhtar for the Nandrolone affair, and them consequently chickening out of the 2007 World Cup because they were too scared they'd fail a drug test.

    Akhtar was a disgrace in this period - perennially unfit and at one point was recorded physically shoving Woolmer because that's what a real man does eh ? Attack someone over twice your age. For that tenure to end with the Ireland defeat was tragic and still hard to swallow. Watching his head slump on his hands as yet another Pakistani wicket fell that day at Sabina Park summed up the rapid descent of his team after the highs of the previous two years.

    Woolmer retained his down to earth approach even during the tough spells, his analytical mind constantly at work. Not many possess the depth of cricketing knowledge that he had as his excellent book Art and Science of Cricket demonstrates and was always willing to engage with fans. He even maintained a blog here on PP where he answered questions. Cricket was his passion no matter whether he was assisting an Associate side as he did when at the ICC High Performance Centre, schoolkids making their way up the ladder, or international teams.

    RIP Bob, thanks for the memories. Your work won't be forgotten.
    Great post - spot on!

    Woolmer was one of the best we ever had - a true inspiration to many of our cricketers even today...

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    RIP Bob Woolmer!

    One of the greatest coaches we ever had. Forever set the benchmark from which we will judge every coach to take over our national team.

    The best thing about him was that he was a great man manager. Got along with every player and gave attention to them on a personal level. He even got the best out of Afridi who enjoyed his best form during Woolmer's tenure. Inzy even affectionately referred to him as "The Bob". YK also mentioned he was like a father figure to him.

    RIP and thanks for everything you did!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Those players that wanted to learn and improve did so during Bob's reign. Those that had no intention to improve, showed their true colours.
    Even Afridi played the best cricket of his life under Woolmer. His highest Test score and 4 6's off Harbhajan came under Woolmer's reign. His test form was immaculate back then! Not to mention his 45 ball hundred at Kanpur - such great memories.

    Even Shoaib Akhtar who was the perennial "bad boy" of Pakistan cricket produced one of the best fast bowling spells in Pakistan i ever saw - during the Multan Test of 2005 against England! It happened under Woolmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    How was it uninspiring

    Our 2005-2006 squad was very exciting especially in ODIs
    It's not simply the excitement factor (I don't remember them being all that exciting anyway) but the fact that the team was too inconsistent. By 2007 we were losing to Ireland in an ODI, were humiliated in England in the tests (after years of dominance) and regularly went up and down in ODI games. I think their best success was against India but even that wasn't consistent (I remember them being hammered at home in teh ODI series). So no, not inspiring.

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    RIP! I have my highest regards for this man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    It's not simply the excitement factor (I don't remember them being all that exciting anyway) but the fact that the team was too inconsistent. By 2007 we were losing to Ireland in an ODI, were humiliated in England in the tests (after years of dominance) and regularly went up and down in ODI games. I think their best success was against India but even that wasn't consistent (I remember them being hammered at home in teh ODI series). So no, not inspiring.
    ive expressly said 2004-2006

    won against india, sl, wi, eng in this period as well as good SF showing in CT 2004,2006


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    Great read @Markhor

    He built a strong outfit and majority of our players flourished in his tenure. Younis became a world class player after being inconsistent since his debut while Kamran delivered some great match-winning performances. Malik took his batting to new level. Rana Naved and Rao Iftikhar became reliable bowlers. He kept an eye on Asif even when he was dropped after his wicketless debut in Australia. A year later, he selected him for England series claiming that he is the most improved bowler in Pakistan. He played him against England in a warm up game where he picked up 10 wickets. Few weeks later, Asif delivered a match-winning performance in Karachi test against India. Yousuf gave credit to Woolmer for after his magical run with the bat.

    In ODIs, we beat India in India, whitewashed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka and West Indies in West Indies. In Tests, we beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, drew a series in India and defeated them at home. Comprehensively trounced Ashes winning England side at home across the formats. Should have won an ODI series in England after being 2-0 up in the series, but things started getting worse from that tour onwards.

    It was funny when our so called experts used to criticize him saying stuff like 'Cricket laptop per nahi khaili jati' or 'Hum ne to baghair laptop k cricket seekhi' without having any capability to provide any technical or analytical insights.

    His wife later revealed that Woolmer loved being called 'Woolmer Chacha' and intended to work in NCA with domestic players after 2007 world cup. He loved mentoring lesser known players and always kept an eye of promising young domestic players. He even sold shoes to Anwar Ali for that U-19 World Cup when Anwar couldn't afford them at market price.

    RIP great man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallion__ View Post
    Great read @Markhor

    He built a strong outfit and majority of our players flourished in his tenure. Younis became a world class player after being inconsistent since his debut while Kamran delivered some great match-winning performances. Malik took his batting to new level. Rana Naved and Rao Iftikhar became reliable bowlers. He kept an eye on Asif even when he was dropped after his wicketless debut in Australia. A year later, he selected him for England series claiming that he is the most improved bowler in Pakistan. He played him against England in a warm up game where he picked up 10 wickets. Few weeks later, Asif delivered a match-winning performance in Karachi test against India. Yousuf gave credit to Woolmer for after his magical run with the bat.

    In ODIs, we beat India in India, whitewashed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka and West Indies in West Indies. In Tests, we beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, drew a series in India and defeated them at home. Comprehensively trounced Ashes winning England side at home across the formats. Should have won an ODI series in England after being 2-0 up in the series, but things started getting worse from that tour onwards.

    It was funny when our so called experts used to criticize him saying stuff like 'Cricket laptop per nahi khaili jati' or 'Hum ne to baghair laptop k cricket seekhi' without having any capability to provide any technical or analytical insights.

    His wife later revealed that Woolmer loved being called 'Woolmer Chacha' and intended to work in NCA with domestic players after 2007 world cup. He loved mentoring lesser known players and always kept an eye of promising young domestic players. He even sold shoes to Anwar Ali for that U-19 World Cup when Anwar couldn't afford them at market price.

    RIP great man
    If he had worked in the NCA post 2007 world cup we would be top four in all rankings today. The man made associate sides into World cup level teams, one only knows what he would have done for Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stallion__ View Post
    Great read @Markhor

    He built a strong outfit and majority of our players flourished in his tenure. Younis became a world class player after being inconsistent since his debut while Kamran delivered some great match-winning performances. Malik took his batting to new level. Rana Naved and Rao Iftikhar became reliable bowlers. He kept an eye on Asif even when he was dropped after his wicketless debut in Australia. A year later, he selected him for England series claiming that he is the most improved bowler in Pakistan. He played him against England in a warm up game where he picked up 10 wickets. Few weeks later, Asif delivered a match-winning performance in Karachi test against India. Yousuf gave credit to Woolmer for after his magical run with the bat.

    In ODIs, we beat India in India, whitewashed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka and West Indies in West Indies. In Tests, we beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, drew a series in India and defeated them at home. Comprehensively trounced Ashes winning England side at home across the formats. Should have won an ODI series in England after being 2-0 up in the series, but things started getting worse from that tour onwards.

    It was funny when our so called experts used to criticize him saying stuff like 'Cricket laptop per nahi khaili jati' or 'Hum ne to baghair laptop k cricket seekhi' without having any capability to provide any technical or analytical insights.

    His wife later revealed that Woolmer loved being called 'Woolmer Chacha' and intended to work in NCA with domestic players after 2007 world cup. He loved mentoring lesser known players and always kept an eye of promising young domestic players. He even sold shoes to Anwar Ali for that U-19 World Cup when Anwar couldn't afford them at market price.

    RIP great man
    Woolmer would've ideally suited to a role at the NCA given his strength was player development.

    Now I haven't mentioned the murder allegations. The Jamaican authorities bungled the entire case. The pathologists were thoroughly incompetent, claiming Woolmer died from "manual strangulation" as the hyoid bone was broken. It then emerged the hyoid bone was never broken. Officers who first entered Woolmer's bathroom had concluded that he was not murdered. There were no marks on him and no sign of a struggle. But they were overruled by senior officers.

    I cannot imagine what his family must've gone through hearing all the rumours - that it was a betting mafia who wanted to kill him thus preventing him from blowing the whistle on matchfixing, a disgruntled fan, Islamist extremists or even a player.

    Pakistani media sunk to new lows that I didn't think was even possible. Shouting at the players "did you kill Woolmer" and that sort of thing, accusing the players of murdering their own coach. PJ Mir was the media manager and held a "private memorial" that was anything but private whilst one by one the players spoke at a podium to pay tribute to their coach in front of a media scrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    ive expressly said 2004-2006

    won against india, sl, wi, eng in this period as well as good SF showing in CT 2004,2006
    They also lost to England in England. They got humiliated in fact and theer was tha twhole stupidity, courteousy of Inzy in one of the tests. Forget which one.

    Anyway, none of that changes the original statement I made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dildildalwalla View Post
    They also lost to England in England. They got humiliated in fact and theer was tha twhole stupidity, courteousy of Inzy in one of the tests. Forget which one.

    Anyway, none of that changes the original statement I made.
    We drew with England as far as I remember


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    Many of the Pakistani players of that era said that Woolmer was the best coach they ever played under. He had that skill of being a father figure yet still pushing the players to get the best out of them.

    So sad the way it ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Many of the Pakistani players of that era said that Woolmer was the best coach they ever played under. He had that skill of being a father figure yet still pushing the players to get the best out of them.

    So sad the way it ended.

    Razzaq would disagree big time


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    I shed a tear on his death .... Now I feel nothing .. too numb ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Woolmer would've ideally suited to a role at the NCA given his strength was player development.

    Now I haven't mentioned the murder allegations. The Jamaican authorities bungled the entire case. The pathologists were thoroughly incompetent, claiming Woolmer died from "manual strangulation" as the hyoid bone was broken. It then emerged the hyoid bone was never broken. Officers who first entered Woolmer's bathroom had concluded that he was not murdered. There were no marks on him and no sign of a struggle. But they were overruled by senior officers.

    I cannot imagine what his family must've gone through hearing all the rumours - that it was a betting mafia who wanted to kill him thus preventing him from blowing the whistle on matchfixing, a disgruntled fan, Islamist extremists or even a player.

    Pakistani media sunk to new lows that I didn't think was even possible. Shouting at the players "did you kill Woolmer" and that sort of thing, accusing the players of murdering their own coach. PJ Mir was the media manager and held a "private memorial" that was anything but private whilst one by one the players spoke at a podium to pay tribute to their coach in front of a media scrum.
    I read his family's comments recently and of the officer who presided the case. Both said he was not murdered but had a lot of health issues. His son said the family is at peace and knows he died naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Razzaq would disagree big time
    As I said, those that wanted to learn and improve did so.

    Those that didn't, well, no hope for them.



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    Request to all.

    Keep conspiracy theories off this thread

    This is a tribute thread


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    I liked his book Pirate and Rebel.

    My favourite story was the one where he got a really slow test match hundred against Lillee and Thomson when they were at their fastest. He was a thorn in the Aussies' sides, getting three hundres IIRC.

    I also liked the one where he got completely stuck while batting against Sobers' left-arm swing, and Cowdrey coached him out of it from the other end.

    He might have played more for England, but then a bloke called Botham appeared out of Somerset and that was the end of his career. So he went to play for Packer, and the England rebels on the apartheid-era South African Breweries tour of 1982.

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