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    Cow slaughter to be punishable by life sentence in India, Gujarat



    The leader of an Indian state has announced that slaughtering cows and transporting beef will soon be punishable by a life sentence, the harshest penalty yet for crimes against the revered animal in the Hindu-majority country.

    The chief minister of Gujarat, Vijay Rupani, said his government would introduce a bill in the next week to bolster existing laws against butchering cows and related crimes. The current punishment is a Rs50,000 fine (£622) and up to seven years in jail.

    “We want to make this law more strict,” said Rupani, a member of the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP), a Hindu nationalist party whose elected officials – including the Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi – have long championed a national ban on beef consumption.

    “In the bill, we will make a provision wherein people found involved in cow-slaughtering as well as transportation of beef will be punished with life imprisonment,” Rupani told a gathering at a Hindu social organisation. “Their vehicles too will be seized permanently.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-cow-slaughter


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    So no more kebab's in Gujarat!! Modi miyan turning on the screws here.


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    This won't work out well with the type of Justice system India has. Now extremists can simply accuse random person of slaughtering cows and get them jailed for life.

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    With all the boiling issues of pollution, population explosion, lack of drinking water and infrastructure, this is what the Govt comes up with. Yes, the Cow slaughter.

    How about a long jail sentence for sheeting and peeing on the street or for driving a vehicle that leaves too much smoke?

    This is the mark of a 3rd world country. Do not address the real issues. But give importance to irrelevant issues.

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    OK so how is India gonna export beef, and other product from cow?

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    India is highest exporter of beef in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    India is highest exporter of beef in the world.
    Cara Beef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Cara Beef.
    I assume you find this move acceptable?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I assume you find this move acceptable?
    No i dont.In a secular nations there should be no laws specific for religions.But unfortunately we have Muslim Personal laws and Hindu Beef Laws etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No i dont.In a secular nations there should be no laws specific for religions.But unfortunately we have Muslim Personal laws and Hindu Beef Laws etc etc.
    Let's not pretend, India is not secular. Is the BJP are secular party?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Let's not pretend, India is not secular. Is the BJP are secular party?
    Our laws are mostly secular except the Muslim Personal laws and these beef laws.

    Laws have to be secular.People and organisations can follow any religion.Thats because there is freedom of religion.I guess you have little understanding of secularism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Our laws are mostly secular except the Muslim Personal laws and these beef laws.

    Laws have to be secular.People and organisations can follow any religion.Thats because there is freedom of religion.I guess you have little understanding of secularism.
    So you admit there are laws which are not secular but you still claim the country is secular?

    Since you feel you know more, please list all the laws in India which are not secular?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    So you admit there are laws which are not secular but you still claim the country is secular?

    Since you feel you know more, please list all the laws in India which are not secular?
    Laws are secular, but they do accommodate certain religious sentiments like Muslim personal law or beef ban because in this complex society, it is better to play safe when it comes to religious insecurities.

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    I am all for the UCC but how can we compare the beef ban with the muslim personal law? The latter is related to only the civil cases of muslims and the former affects all people irrespective of their religion..and how many deaths have occured because of this personal law compared to the beef ban??

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    On topic- Silly law.Religion should have no say in the state matters and laws but unfortunately we are still a third world country where religion is almost a way of life for people and its hard to separate it from state in the way western nations advocate .


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    I'm not against this. Hindu's are the majority in India and their interests are paramount. Pakistani's here talk big but we are much worse with minorities ourselves. God. We had the Qalima and other verses of the Quran removed from Dr. Abdus Salam's gravestone. Dr. Abdus Salam's who is arguably the greatest mind to come out of Pakistan. Pathetic. We lost our right to question someone else's way of treating minorities a long, long time ago.

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    I support this. Animals should not be killed... Be it cow, tiger or whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    I am all for the UCC but how can we compare the beef ban with the muslim personal law? The latter is related to only the civil cases of muslims and the former affects all people irrespective of their religion..and how many deaths have occured because of this personal law compared to the beef ban??
    I think there is also a hindu succession act which covers hindus and sikhs or parsi marriage act.one can argue about uniform civil code but finding its equivalence with institutionalization of prosecuting those who consume beef is shockingly amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    I'm not against this. Hindu's are the majority in India and their interests are paramount. Pakistani's here talk big but we are much worse with minorities ourselves. God. We had the Qalima and other verses of the Quran removed from Dr. Abdus Salam's gravestone. Dr. Abdus Salam's who is arguably the greatest mind to come out of Pakistan. Pathetic. We lost our right to question someone else's way of treating minorities a long, long time ago.
    That's a conflicting message. You are critical of Pakistani treatment of minorities yet you are saying that you are okay with Hindus imposing religious edicts on account of being the majority. Even the example you used for Pakistan is questionable as Ahmadis don't consider themselves a minority and this is where the dispute with the state lies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    That's a conflicting message. You are critical of Pakistani treatment of minorities yet you are saying that you are okay with Hindus imposing religious edicts on account of being the majority. Even the example you used for Pakistan is questionable as Ahmadis don't consider themselves a minority and this is where the dispute with the state lies.
    You know what, I agree with you. But what I'm trying to point out is that we (Pakistani's) cannot be critical of India's treatment of Muslims (a minority) because of the way we treat minorities (Ahmedis, Christians, Hindus and even Shitte's). We consider it OK and don't have any problem with our treatment of minorities so we should consider it OK for India to harshly treat Muslims, if they do so.

    As for Ahmedis not wanting to be a minority, obviously they don't want to be considered a minority. Nor do Shia Muslims or any other sects but unfortunately, Pakistani is plagued with Sectarian differences and violence and Wahabbi's have infiltrated the true form of Islam and converted everyone into extremists who think only they are on the true path and everyone else in an apostate and deserves to be executed publicly.

    The founder of Pakistan, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, himself a Shia Muslim said that in Pakistan if someone said he/she was a Muslim, then they were Muslim and the matter was between him and God. Clearly, we did not follow what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    You know what, I agree with you. But what I'm trying to point out is that we (Pakistani's) cannot be critical of India's treatment of Muslims (a minority) because of the way we treat minorities (Ahmedis, Christians, Hindus and even Shitte's). We consider it OK and don't have any problem with our treatment of minorities so we should consider it OK for India to harshly treat Muslims, if they do so.
    We can be critical of both.


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    This is harsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain123 View Post
    I think there is also a hindu succession act which covers hindus and sikhs or parsi marriage act.one can argue about uniform civil code but finding its equivalence with institutionalization of prosecuting those who consume beef is shockingly amusing.
    People need something to legitimise their claim for beef ban. No matter how outrageous that muslim law is, it does not harm/ban our hindu friends from doing anything they wish to. Still they complain a lot about this law instead of us muslims..

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    Cows are sacred to Hindus, so I think Muslim's in India must respect their feelings and be sensitive to the emotions of the majority community. The " in your face secularism "will not work everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    People need something to legitimise their claim for beef ban. No matter how outrageous that muslim law is, it does not harm/ban our hindu friends from doing anything they wish to. Still they complain a lot about this law instead of us muslims..
    Why not? Muslims treat their books as Holy, and Hindus treat certain animals. So, how is it not harming Hindu friends when the same animals get butchered for meat (often, in an instigatory fashion just to evoke religious tension)? Besides, buffalo meat is still widely available, so it isn't like you are running out of options.
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    Getting away from the India vs Pakistan debate (which has nothing to do with the law in India I would have thought) isn't the punishment already enough? RS 50,000 and up to a 7 year ban seems strict already, why the move to make it life imprisonment instead?

    Is this to underline that religious sentiments of Hindus are not yet taken seriously enough by the secular minority in India?


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    No animals should be slaughtered. It's inhumane..

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    Per Hinduism.

    when a human dies, he/she would have to go through the cycle of reincarnation, this cycle consists of All the species available. Before becoming human again, last stage is "reincarnated as cow".

    Basically, if any cow dies, he/she will reincarnated as Human. Thats why so much respect for Cows.

    and this reflects in number of "cows killed / new human born" worldwide.


    I can understand, that killing a "human-to-be" should have some sort of consequences, but life sentence is too much.

    on a flip side, killing cow could also be awarded, considering it's fast tracking cow to human.

    but then i am not a spiritual person.


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    I eat meat (Only Chicken and Fish).

    When I was a kid, one of my Christian friends brought a small chick (the cutest thing I have ever seen) home. I used to play with it for hours. I took care of it like it was my baby.

    That year on Christmas time, I went to their house. They were eating at that time and offered me some. I was eating and then in the conversation, I asked them about that chick. They told me it is in my mouth and I am chewing it. I almost puked. I was heart broken and felt like cccrapp.

    For a few years, I could not even eat egg after that incident. But after some years, as I grew older, I started eating again (not on a regular basis).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hafeezrocks View Post
    Cows are sacred to Hindus, so I think Muslim's in India must respect their feelings and be sensitive to the emotions of the majority community. The " in your face secularism "will not work everywhere.
    Cows are not sacred to all Hindus. !!

    Many parts of India have long history of animal sacrifices were common since vedic times especially down south. Even the word "pashu" which means "cow" in dravidan languages, was used to denote the animal sacrificed to please gods, during this time.

    This whole "vegetarianism" and "don't hurt anything" concepts are actually imports from Jainism and Buddhism which had spread throughout India till around 600-700AD, and were competing with Hinduism around the same period. Such concepts were added as part of wider attempts to restructure Hinduism , spearheaded by the likes of Adi Shankara. This was meant to wean away /convert erstwhile followers of Buddhism and Jainism to Hinduism by convincing that Hinduism had more or less the same principles and practices. This was pretty successful too , given how Buddhism and Jainism have gone near instinct in India , without any apparent historical evidences of violent conversion/oppression.

    Just because many parts of Northern and Western India have this historically misplaced assumption that Hinduism prerequisites Vegetarianism, doesn't mean that has to be imposed Countrywide !! Certain cultures of India (North east states, Bengal, Kerala etc ) have always had a high content of non-vegetarian food items , even long before the so called corruption of Indian culture by Muslim or British rule.

    Also note the fact that majority of the Non-Vegetarian eating hindus (especially Red Meat consumers) were always from the Lower caste /Peasant communities. The pittance they were paid, and the general poor & opressed social conditions they lived in, made it difficult to afford protein rich vegetarian foods or more expensive meats(mutton). So that too played a part in the popularisation of Beef as a preferred meat and source of proteins .

    This is taking the path of the Language wars of the late 60's, with the ruling government imposing one particular culture (dietary habits here) over the whole nation.. !

    What is the guarantee that the BJP stops with just banning Beef ? What if they decide that non-vegetarian foods as a whole must be banned.? Or what festivals hindus should celebrate or not ? The list goes on...

    This narrow brand of Hinduism cannot be thrust upon the rest of the country.. !

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    ^ I agree with the above post.

    Hinduism stole the concepts of Vegetarianism and animal protection from Jains and Buddhists. The Vedic age had animal sacrifices and people consuming meat.

    With the advent of Buddhism and Jainism sects, Hinduism had to counter it by adopting those concepts into its fold.

    Strangely the Buddhists from East Asia never adopted the Vegetarianism concepts. They seem to eat anything that moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Getting away from the India vs Pakistan debate (which has nothing to do with the law in India I would have thought) isn't the punishment already enough? RS 50,000 and up to a 7 year ban seems strict already, why the move to make it life imprisonment instead?

    Is this to underline that religious sentiments of Hindus are not yet taken seriously enough by the secular minority in India?
    question is, is the ban and fine being implicated on corporate(s) in India with record beef and cow products (such as leather) export?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahirFan View Post
    No animals should be slaughtered. It's inhumane..
    plants breath oxygen too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    plants breath oxygen too.
    You chop the leaves and cut down fruits, the plant grows them back.

    You cut down the wings and body of a bird and chop the legs of an animal, it is as good as Dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Why not? Muslims treat their books as Holy, and Hindus treat certain animals. So, how is it not harming Hindu friends when the same animals get butchered for meat (often, in an instigatory fashion just to evoke religious tension)? Besides, buffalo meat is still widely available, so it isn't like you are running out of options.
    You should have brought something more credible to compare with the beef ban instead of this Muslim personal law. And i live in Kerala. Our hindu friends love beef more than us muslims. So thats a lame argument tbh. And we help each other whenever the need arises. I think that is more important than this hindutva nationalism which has been promoted in Gujarat and the rest of North Indian states. You guys are moving away from the UCC instead of following it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaayal View Post
    You should have brought something more credible to compare with the beef ban instead of this Muslim personal law. And i live in Kerala. Our hindu friends love beef more than us muslims. So thats a lame argument tbh. And we help each other whenever the need arises. I think that is more important than this hindutva nationalism which has been promoted in Gujarat and the rest of North Indian states. You guys are moving away from the UCC instead of following it.....
    Well, let's not compare it with anything else then.

    Cow slaughter in India hurts religious sentiments of majority, I am sure you won't deny it. Cow slaughter has also been used as a tool to make a religious point. If you follow social media, you will find countless pictures or videos where cows have been killed just because a bunch Muslims wanted to send a message to Hindus, often with hashtags "GauMata".

    I am a beef eater myself, and I don't distinguish between cows or buffaloes. But the reason I still oppose cow slaughter is because of the nature of our society and the reasons stated above.
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    India sure has her priorities right.


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    I don't think a day will come when there will be Beef shops in every nook and corner of India, so let the sensitive states to continue the ban on beef.

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    Nothing wrong with the ban of cow slaughter, hindu scriptures talk about how much Lord Krishna adored and loved cows and Hindus are the majority of India and if they want to impose a cow slaughter ban then so BE IT!!!!... Muslims from other countries should be last ppl complaining when in Muslim countries minorities have practically ZERO VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Nothing wrong with the ban of cow slaughter, hindu scriptures talk about how much Lord Krishna adored and loved cows and Hindus are the majority of India and if they want to impose a cow slaughter ban then so BE IT!!!!... Muslims from other countries should be last ppl complaining when in Muslim countries minorities have practically ZERO VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    As I have mentioned in the post above, you can ban it in your state if culturally and historically your state has always considered eating beef as wrong ! That is what the Saudi, Iran or Ireland does when it comes to respective issues (Pork, Womens rights, Abortions respectively). I donot necessarily agree with their reasoning, yet their reasononing has validity..

    But there is no need of extrapolating that to the whole of India where many states/cultures do not have the same view ! Otherwise it becomes the same sort of opression you accuse the Muslim fundamentalist nations of doing !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyB View Post
    As I have mentioned in the post above, you can ban it in your state if culturally and historically your state has always considered eating beef as wrong ! That is what the Saudi, Iran or Ireland does when it comes to respective issues (Pork, Womens rights, Abortions respectively). I donot necessarily agree with their reasoning, yet their reasononing has validity..

    But there is no need of extrapolating that to the whole of India where many states/cultures do not have the same view ! Otherwise it becomes the same sort of opression you accuse the Muslim fundamentalist nations of doing !
    If at all this guy belongs to any part of India, then that's our very own Keralam. Our sanghi aliyan(or uncle) to be precise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    Nothing wrong with the ban of cow slaughter, hindu scriptures talk about how much Lord Krishna adored and loved cows and Hindus are the majority of India and if they want to impose a cow slaughter ban then so BE IT!!!!... Muslims from other countries should be last ppl complaining when in Muslim countries minorities have practically ZERO VOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Well you can either chose to be a secular state or a theocratic state.

    Those countries which you refer to are theocratic states.

    As long as you India is a Hindu rahstra and not a secular country your logic is fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyB View Post
    Cows are not sacred to all Hindus. !!

    Many parts of India have long history of animal sacrifices were common since vedic times especially down south. Even the word "pashu" which means "cow" in dravidan languages, was used to denote the animal sacrificed to please gods, during this time.

    This whole "vegetarianism" and "don't hurt anything" concepts are actually imports from Jainism and Buddhism which had spread throughout India till around 600-700AD, and were competing with Hinduism around the same period. Such concepts were added as part of wider attempts to restructure Hinduism , spearheaded by the likes of Adi Shankara. This was meant to wean away /convert erstwhile followers of Buddhism and Jainism to Hinduism by convincing that Hinduism had more or less the same principles and practices. This was pretty successful too , given how Buddhism and Jainism have gone near instinct in India , without any apparent historical evidences of violent conversion/oppression.

    Just because many parts of Northern and Western India have this historically misplaced assumption that Hinduism prerequisites Vegetarianism, doesn't mean that has to be imposed Countrywide !! Certain cultures of India (North east states, Bengal, Kerala etc ) have always had a high content of non-vegetarian food items , even long before the so called corruption of Indian culture by Muslim or British rule.

    Also note the fact that majority of the Non-Vegetarian eating hindus (especially Red Meat consumers) were always from the Lower caste /Peasant communities. The pittance they were paid, and the general poor & opressed social conditions they lived in, made it difficult to afford protein rich vegetarian foods or more expensive meats(mutton). So that too played a part in the popularisation of Beef as a preferred meat and source of proteins .

    This is taking the path of the Language wars of the late 60's, with the ruling government imposing one particular culture (dietary habits here) over the whole nation.. !

    What is the guarantee that the BJP stops with just banning Beef ? What if they decide that non-vegetarian foods as a whole must be banned.? Or what festivals hindus should celebrate or not ? The list goes on...

    This narrow brand of Hinduism cannot be thrust upon the rest of the country.. !
    SandyB is a very informative poster and I always watch out for his posts.

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    Really proud of the direction the country is going where Hindus can finally get independence from the english speaking elite, the communists and the seculars. Under a Hindu ruler who wears his religion on his sleeve and his dhoti we are finally seeing a revival of proud Hindu culture. Time to wipe away the inferiority the commies and english speaking elites has imposed upon us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    You chop the leaves and cut down fruits, the plant grows them back.

    You cut down the wings and body of a bird and chop the legs of an animal, it is as good as Dead.
    That is why laws are made to protect endangered species. Cows, Chicken, Goats, and lambs aren't endangered species.

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