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  • Hasan Ali

    10 27.78%
  • Jasprit Bumrah

    3 8.33%
  • Mustafizur Rahman

    17 47.22%
  • Other

    6 16.67%
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    Best young (Under-25) bowler from Asia?

    Best young (Under-25) bowler from Asia?
    Some good upcoming talent in the shape of Hasan Ali, Jasprit Bumrah, and Mustafizur Rahman.

    Who do you rate the highest out of the aforementioned trio? If you choose "other" then specify who and why.

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    Lahiru Kumara.

    Pace, bounce and swing you can't ask for more in a bowler.

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    At this point I am most excited about Mustafizur.

    I think both Mustafizur and Bumrah has done more then Hasan Ali. I think Rashid Khan is up there as well.

    Fun fact Bumra has is yet to score a run in limited overs cricket. He played 35 matches.


    Ex Shahid Afridi fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Lahiru Kumara.

    Pace, bounce and swing you can't ask for more in a bowler.
    He hasn't even played 10 international matches. Let alone in one format.

    I wouldn't call him the best. Definitely has potential though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelandofthebravepeople View Post
    At this point I am most excited about Mustafizur.

    I think both Mustafizur and Bumrah has done more then Hasan Ali. I think Rashid Khan is up there as well.

    Fun fact Bumra has is yet to score a run in limited overs cricket. He played 35 matches.
    I seriously don't get the hype around Mustafizur.

    Pace is below average to average, swing is non existent and is reliant on one delivery to get a wicket; his glorified cutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    He hasn't even played 10 international matches. Let alone in one format.

    I wouldn't call him the best. Definitely has potential though.
    You asked for the best and I gave you the answer.

    If you want to put a cap on the amount of games then I'd change my vote to Taskin Ahmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelandofthebravepeople View Post
    At this point I am most excited about Mustafizur.

    I think both Mustafizur and Bumrah has done more then Hasan Ali. I think Rashid Khan is up there as well.

    Fun fact Bumra has is yet to score a run in limited overs cricket. He played 35 matches.
    What's Rashid Khan's real age?


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    Quote Originally Posted by thelandofthebravepeople View Post
    At this point I am most excited about Mustafizur.

    I think both Mustafizur and Bumrah has done more then Hasan Ali. I think Rashid Khan is up there as well.

    Fun fact Bumra has is yet to score a run in limited overs cricket. He played 35 matches.
    Well Hasan's stats look worse, but I think that's because he has played full series against Eng. and Aus. lineups on flat pitches.

    Mustafiz's stats in NZ were similar to Hasan's in Eng./Aus.

    As for Rashid, I was going for mainly pacers; But Rashid is definitely one of the best young spinners from Asia, along with Nawaz, Chahal and Shadab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    What's Rashid Khan's real age?
    At least 24-25.

    Doesn't look 18 from any angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belawal2014 View Post
    What's Rashid Khan's real age?
    Must be around 24-25


    Ex Shahid Afridi fan.

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    Hasan Ali is in a different league to Bumrah.

    Hasan has excellent new ball and old ball skills and an intelligent bowling brain.

    Bumrah is just a death specialist.

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    Mustafizur Rahman


    /thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Mustafizur Rahman


    /thread
    Is this a joke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Is this a joke?
    Let's play a game.


    Guess whose record is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Let's play a game.


    Guess whose record is this?

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    Let's talk about the long run. What does he posses apart from an undetectable cutter?

    No pace and no swing is a recipe for disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Let's talk about the long run. What does he posses apart from an undetectable cutter?

    No pace and no swing is a recipe for disaster.
    Well the thread is asking who is the best u25 bowler in Asia and at the moment he is far ahead of rest of the pack.


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    Hasan Ali. Not counting Amir since he will turn 25 this year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Well the thread is asking who is the best u25 bowler in Asia and at the moment he is far ahead of rest of the pack.
    You have to take into consideration many things to adjudge someone as the best in the world.

    He's only played one series away from home in which he failed, I would wait before declaring him the best.

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    Even our very own Hasan Ali is better than Mustafizur.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of swing.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of reverse swing.

    Hasan Ali is quicker than Mustafziur.

    The only department in which Mustafizur outshines Hasan Ali is the art of death bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Even our very own Hasan Ali is better than Mustafizur.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of swing.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of reverse swing.

    Hasan Ali is quicker than Mustafziur.

    The only department in which Mustafizur outshines Hasan Ali is the art of death bowling.
    Mustafiz has greater control on line and length.

    And cutter aren't necessarily just for the death overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Even our very own Hasan Ali is better than Mustafizur.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of swing.

    Hasan Ali is a better exponent of reverse swing.

    Hasan Ali is quicker than Mustafziur.

    The only department in which Mustafizur outshines Hasan Ali is the art of death bowling.
    All of that matters zilch if Mustafizur is picking up wickets and Hasan is being smashed for over 100 of his 10 (yes that happened).


    I don't care if Mustafizur is hobbling his way into the bowling crease and releasing a 110kph dead straight lollipop, he is doing what a pacer needs to do and that is to pick up wickets and bucketloads of them.


    His only draw back is that he gets injured far too often which may curtail his effectiveness in the long run.



    Also fun fact: Mustafizur and Hasan Ali both bowl around the same pace of 135 kph.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    All of that matters zilch if Mustafizur is picking up wickets and Hasan is being smashed for over 100 of his 10 (yes that happened).


    I don't care if Mustafizur is hobbling his way into the bowling crease and releasing a 110kph dead straight lollipop, he is doing what a pacer needs to do and that is to pick up wickets and bucketloads of them.


    His only draw back is that he gets injured far too often which may curtail his effectiveness in the long run.



    Also fun fact: Mustafizur and Hasan Ali both bowl around the same pace of 135 kph.
    Fun fact Mustafizur has barely managed to bowl over 130 kph since his comeback.

    Only takes bucket loads at home.
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    Despite being no where near his best, easily Amir.

    The rest are average. And please don't start posting stats to show me how amazing the cutter specialist etc are doing. If that meant so much, Ajantha Mendis would already be an ATG right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    You have to take into consideration many things to adjudge someone as the best in the world.

    He's only played one series away from home in which he failed, I would wait before declaring him the best.
    Played world T20.

    Played a few ODIs against NZ and two tests against SL. Has been decent.

    Where is this "failure"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Played world T20.

    Played a few ODIs against NZ and two tests against SL. Has been decent.

    Where is this "failure"
    The failure was in NZ.

    I couldn't care less about a Mickey Mouse tournament.

    And please don't start showing me what he achieved in SL. The likes of Imran Khan and Rahat Ali were bowling like beasts there.

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    lol when these so called cutter specialists go on tours like Eng/Aus/NZ and come out with 5-fers and similar performances only then will I be able to take them seriously - As it stands Hassan's leading the pack without much competition.

    Hassan has faced the very best in the game... at OVERSEAS..... and competed to great effect. Yes !! on few such occasion he was taken to the cleaners (that happens to every bowler mind you) but still he's the best intelligent young Asian pacer right now !!

    In addition to his cricketing skills, the lad's got some feisty swag , has all the traits of a Pakistani Alpha; something only Amir and Asif (in recent times) had previously as pacers and DOESN'T PLAY FOR A GLORIFIED MINNOW......

    /Rant

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    Looks like Bumrah isn't rated on here.
    At least when comparing him to:
    and

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Looks like Bumrah isn't rated on here.
    At least when comparing him to:
    and
    There is only so much a death specialist is capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    At least 24-25.

    Doesn't look 18 from any angle.
    He is the shahid afridi of afghan?


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    Hasan Ali averages 28.5 with the ball and ER of 5.8 in ODIs after 13 ODIs

    Mustafiz averages 13.8 with ball with 4.38 ER. With 3 5-fers. Took 9 wickets in 3 matches in the WT20. Was pick of the bowlers in tests he played

    Yes Hasan Ali is much better than mustafiz and that is fact as per the statistics above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    The failure was in NZ.

    I couldn't care less about a Mickey Mouse tournament.

    And please don't start showing me what he achieved in SL. The likes of Imran Khan and Rahat Ali were bowling like beasts there.
    He did okay in NZ. Hardly a failure

    And I was talking about world T20 not IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    He did okay in NZ. Hardly a failure

    And I was talking about world T20 not IPL.
    There is a reason why nobody is using T20 statistics as a basis to defend their arguments, 95% of the time wickets are gifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Hasan Ali averages 28.5 with the ball and ER of 5.8 in ODIs after 13 ODIs

    Mustafiz averages 13.8 with ball with 4.38 ER. With 3 5-fers. Took 9 wickets in 3 matches in the WT20. Was pick of the bowlers in tests he played

    Yes Hasan Ali is much better than mustafiz and that is fact as per the statistics above.
    Completely exclude the fact that Hasan Ali was up against Smith, Warner, Maxwell, Root, Buttler etc. in Aus and England.

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    Mustafizur quite easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Completely exclude the fact that Hasan Ali was up against Smith, Warner, Maxwell, Root, Buttler etc. in Aus and England.
    Agree with this.
    No way Mustafiz will average 13.8 at 4.38 after playing those guys on those pitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Completely exclude the fact that Hasan Ali was up against Smith, Warner, Maxwell, Root, Buttler etc. in Aus and England.
    Oh and Fizz bowled against substandard batsman like Kohli Amla De Villiers De Kock Faf Guptill Williamson Rohit Dhoni

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Oh and Fizz bowled against substandard batsman like Kohli Amla De Villiers De Kock Faf Guptill Williamson Rohit Dhoni
    Ahhh, but here's the difference- at home.

    Didn't do anything of note against Eilliamson and Guptill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Oh and Fizz bowled against substandard batsman like Kohli Amla De Villiers De Kock Faf Guptill Williamson Rohit Dhoni
    Cutters are much more effective on slow Bangladesh tracks than flat roads outside subcontinent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Cutters are much more effective on slow Bangladesh tracks than flat roads outside subcontinent.
    If nature of pitches is the argument, then Bumrah wipes floor with Hasan Ali. He has a far superior record despite bowling on the flattest pitches on the planet.

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    Mohammad Amir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    If nature of pitches is the argument, then Bumrah wipes floor with Hasan Ali. He has a far superior record despite bowling on the flattest pitches on the planet.
    Let's see how he does vs Aus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Let's see how he does vs Aus.
    Averages 20 in ODIs and 17 in T20s.. on flat Aussie decks.

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    I think people need to keep their bias aside. Mustafizur's record everywhere has been as good as it could be.

    I can understand when we would rate Starc or Rabada higher than him, but it is ridiculous to compare the likes of Hasan Ali with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Averages 20 in ODIs and 17 in T20s.. on flat Aussie decks.
    His wickets had more to do with the surprise element rather than pure skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    His wickets had more to do with the surprise element rather than pure skill.
    He has been a regular in the IPL for years, and players around the world already knew what he was all about.

    Yet, his record on the flattest decks has been far superior to Hasan Ali in all formats after 35 international matches !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    He has been a regular in the IPL for years, and players around the world already knew what he was all about.

    Yet, his record on the flattest decks has been far superior to Hasan Ali in all formats after 35 international matches !

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    He's got an impressive record, no doubt.

    But do you see him being more than a death specialist?

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    It is strange how Hasan is being overrated here.

    People rate him better than Mustafizur because their crystal-ball shows Fizz failing on flat tracks.

    But when it comes to Bumrah (who has a far superior record despite playing on FLATTEST of tracks).. that logic disappears, and the argument shifts to "Bumrah will get exposed once batsmen get used to him". Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    He's got an impressive record, no doubt.

    But do you see him being more than a death specialist?
    Probably not, and this is the reason I am not hyping him up to be the same level as Mustafizur despite his record.

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    Mustafizur in Tests might very well be similar to Imran Khan.

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    Bumrah is the best death bowler in Odis and T20s but as of now overall best considering tests,it has to be Mustafizur,let's see if he can do it for a longer run

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    Mustafizur doesn't look great and doesn't have the built of a fast bowler but he is mighty effective and knows his strengths which he sticks to. He is definitely the most promising bowler from Asia at the moment and he has proven it. Main thing which I think seperates guys like Hasan Ali from Mustafizur is that he is a far more thinking bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    Lahiru Kumara.

    Pace, bounce and swing you can't ask for more in a bowler.
    And you think he's better than Mustafiz and Taskin? Kumara is about 5'8" way too short to get bounce. And he doesn't swing the ball either.

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    Why is Amir not in the list,he is under 25 and is a great bowler irrespective of his recent struggles.

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    Who is Hasan Ali? Is he an Afghan bowler?

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    Mustafiz is miles ahead of the others , no one is close to him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellipsism View Post
    I seriously don't get the hype around Mustafizur.

    Pace is below average to average, swing is non existent and is reliant on one delivery to get a wicket; his glorified cutter.
    most overrated young bowler right now.
    Right now Hasan is better than Mustafizur, Hasan is improving and has bowled well in Aus and Eng as well.
    Mustafizur is living off the hype he created in 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Mustafiz is miles ahead of the others , no one is close to him.
    lol he's bang average right now, injuries had adverse effects on him. Lost his pace as well. Average pace is in the 120ks right now.

    Both Hasan and Bumrah are better than him.

    Hasan have improved his pace as well, can hit 142k region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    lol he's bang average right now, injuries had adverse effects on him. Lost his pace as well. Average pace is in the 120ks right now.

    Both Hasan and Bumrah are better than him.

    Hasan have improved his pace as well, can hit 142k region.
    Hassan is too overhyped and Bumrah is just OK , Mustafiz on the other hand is brilliant and he does not need much pace because he is a very smart bowler.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    And you think he's better than Mustafiz and Taskin? Kumara is about 5'8" way too short to get bounce. And he doesn't swing the ball either.
    Did you miss his display of swing bowling in SA?

    Kumara has a higher ceiling than Mustafizur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Hassan is too overhyped and Bumrah is just OK , Mustafiz on the other hand is brilliant and he does not need much pace because he is a very smart bowler.
    all three are smart bowlers. Mustafizur hasn't done anything special recently.
    Whereas Hasan and Bumrah have helped their team win matches recently.
    Hasan is the most improved bowler right now, Mustafizur is regressing.

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    Mustafiz's spell just turned a game around for Bangladesh in the test we just won and people still say he has done nothing special?

    Hasan Ali is definitely talented but how is he better than Mustafiz? Like he played 13 matches with an average average of 28 in ODIs. Fizz also has done exceedingly well in tests all of them played in dead subcontinental wickets and mind you he got only a few wickets from.cutters.

    Last time I checked Fizz is the ICC emerging cricketer of the year and T20 teams around the world are willing to spend big bucks on him.

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    Mustafiz is a thinking bowler

    And add to that his Yorker, quick cutter and slower delivery is arguably better than that of anyone in world cricket right now.

    Has good control in line and lengtj

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    Rashid Khan

    Anyways, bowlers like Fizz and Bumrah obviously won't be rated by the rare usual suspects in this thread due to being from certain countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Mustafiz is a thinking bowler

    And add to that his Yorker, quick cutter and slower delivery is arguably better than that of anyone in world cricket right now.

    Has good control in line and lengtj
    lol Pat Cummins and Faulkner have one of the best slower ones in the world. Mills, Hasan and Bumrah are not far behind. Mustafizur seems like he's tryying a cutter on more than half of his balls and loses control a lot and concedes boundaries after. Relies too much on his cutter, his slower one is not much different than his faster one which is only 10k more lol. Cummins on the other hand bowls consistently in the 145-148k region and when he bowls a slower one at 120k (which is about average pace for Mustafizur), it's very hard for batsmen to pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericBrand View Post
    Rashid Khan

    Anyways, bowlers like Fizz and Bumrah obviously won't be rated by the rare usual suspects in this thread due to being from certain countries.
    all three in the list have performed against top sides, Rashid have not even done that, how can he be the best bowler in ASIA?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    lol Pat Cummins and Faulkner have one of the best slower ones in the world. Mills, Hasan and Bumrah are not far behind. Mustafizur seems like he's tryying a cutter on more than half of his balls and loses control a lot and concedes boundaries after. Relies too much on his cutter, his slower one is not much different than his faster one which is only 10k more lol. Cummins on the other hand bowls consistently in the 145-148k region and when he bowls a slower one at 120k (which is about average pace for Mustafizur), it's very hard for batsmen to pic.
    Are you telling me that Cummins Faulkner have a better cutter than the cutter master?

    Fizz's average pace is 130ish and if he regain full fitness he can bowl 140+

    And the thing is fizz's cutter grips and turns. He can turn the ball more than any average spinner

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    Mustafiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Are you telling me that Cummins Faulkner have a better cutter than the cutter master?

    Fizz's average pace is 130ish and if he regain full fitness he can bowl 140+

    And the thing is fizz's cutter grips and turns. He can turn the ball more than any average spinner
    so much delusion I can't stop laughing.

    His average pace is in the 120ks nowadays. Cutter is his stock delivery. LOL at "He can turn the ball more than any average spinner", only happens in your fantasy.

    this is just your opinion that the great Mustafizur "Shoaib AKhtar" Rahman ( played a total of 11 ODI ) is better than the World Cup winners Cummins and Faulkner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    lol he's bang average right now, injuries had adverse effects on him. Lost his pace as well. Average pace is in the 120ks right now.

    Both Hasan and Bumrah are better than him.

    Hasan have improved his pace as well, can hit 142k region.
    @ Hasan better than Mustafizur. You are not biased one bit are you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    @ Hasan better than Mustafizur. You are not biased one bit are you.
    only if you watched recent matches of Mustafizur you'll know, it might sound biased but it's the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    @ Hasan better than Mustafizur. You are not biased one bit are you.
    Mustafiz is just living off the hype he created in 2015. He was bang average in NZ, bang average in the ongoing series in Sri Lanka.

    I'd take Hasan and Bumrah over Mustafizur right now any day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    Mustafiz is just living off the hype he created in 2015. He was bang average in NZ, bang average in the ongoing series in Sri Lanka.

    I'd take Hasan and Bumrah over Mustafizur right now any day
    And you are not hyping Hasan who is fairly new to the scene?

    Bumrah
    Mustafizur

    The rest are not all that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    so much delusion I can't stop laughing.

    His average pace is in the 120ks nowadays. Cutter is his stock delivery. LOL at "He can turn the ball more than any average spinner", only happens in your fantasy.

    this is just your opinion that the great Mustafizur "Shoaib AKhtar" Rahman ( played a total of 11 ODI ) is better than the World Cup winners Cummins and Faulkner.
    Have you even watched his cutters?

    And what does world cup winner have any relation here? If Fizz played under starc Warner Smith Maxwell watto then it's comparable.

    Fizz just won his side a test match by taking wickets and building pressure on a deaf subcontinental wicket. Faulkner wasn't even in​the side that lost 3-0 to srilanka

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    And you are not hyping Hasan who is fairly new to the scene?

    Bumrah
    Mustafizur

    The rest are not all that
    I'm sure you wouldn't say that after watching the current performances of trundler fizz, bang average at best

    Hasan has done well in Eng and Aus considering his age and experience, better than him for sure, you're just going with the hype train of 2015, Fizz is not the same anymore believe it or not, he's injury prone trundler, bowling mediocre at brst right now, can improve in the future but Hasan is better right now, Bumrah too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Have you even watched his cutters?

    And what does world cup winner have any relation here? If Fizz played under starc Warner Smith Maxwell watto then it's comparable.

    Fizz just won his side a test match by taking wickets and building pressure on a deaf subcontinental wicket. Faulkner wasn't even in​the side that lost 3-0 to srilanka
    embarassing how you had to come up with false facts to stay relevant in the argument, Sri Lanka were a horror show in the field, they shot themselves on the foot several times, batsmen were poor, fielders were poor, they let them down, nothing extraordinary from Bangldeshis, they just kept playing and Sri Lanka kept them in the game, serve it on a plate for them to win the test match. Fizz took wickets but most of them were clear mistakes by the batsmen, nothing extraordinary from Fizz himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    embarassing how you had to come up with false facts to stay relevant in the argument, Sri Lanka were a horror show in the field, they shot themselves on the foot several times, batsmen were poor, fielders were poor, they let them down, nothing extraordinary from Bangldeshis, they just kept playing and Sri Lanka kept them in the game, serve it on a plate for them to win the test match. Fizz took wickets but most of them were clear mistakes by the batsmen, nothing extraordinary from Fizz himself.
    I watched the matches myself. Almost all of the overs. I am sure you only saw a handful of deliveries here and there.

    And speaking of which. Fizz has been troubling batsman for two years. Will you still say on sheer luck a bowler averages below 20 in all formats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    I watched the matches myself. Almost all of the overs. I am sure you only saw a handful of deliveries here and there.

    And speaking of which. Fizz has been troubling batsman for two years. Will you still say on sheer luck a bowler averages below 20 in all formats?
    lol the sample size is too small and Fizz is injury prone, only perfomed out of his skin in a few matches quite a while ago, and he's regressing, lost his pace most of all which is a big negative, so many nagatives to call him the best u25 Asian bowler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen4 View Post
    lol the sample size is too small and Fizz is injury prone, only perfomed out of his skin in a few matches quite a while ago, and he's regressing, lost his pace most of all which is a big negative, so many nagatives to call him the best u25 Asian bowler
    Regressing?

    He just won his side their first test win abroad against a test side.

    And despite negatives he has averages below 20. And that matter most. He has performed. People label him as the best. He has been winning a lot of matches for the team.

    Question is how many matches Hasan Ali has won for Pakistan? Because I know Fizz was major contribution in atleast 7-8 of our wins and few minor contributions too. And it's not like he has played too.many matches either.

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    Bumrah deserve comparison with Fizz because bumrah too has won few matches for his side and has good figures in limited overs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Regressing?

    He just won his side their first test win abroad against a test side.

    And despite negatives he has averages below 20. And that matter most. He has performed. People label him as the best. He has been winning a lot of matches for the team.

    Question is how many matches Hasan Ali has won for Pakistan? Because I know Fizz was major contribution in atleast 7-8 of our wins and few minor contributions too. And it's not like he has played too.many matches either.
    stop saying "Fizz won us the test", he didn't, Sri Lanka were a horror show in the field, they shot themselves on the foot several times, batsmen were poor, fielders were poor, they let them down, nothing extraordinary from Bangldeshis, they just kept playing and Sri Lanka kept them in the game, serve it on a plate for them to win the test match.

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