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20th March 2017, 20:56 #1
How is it legal for India to refuse to play Tests against Pakistan at any venue?
Just wondering how is it possible for India to refuse play us at any venue , home, neutral or away? Especially considering the fact that we are all ranked by same test team ranking.
So, would it be fair, if Pakistan just refused playing South Africa anywhere or Australia?
How could India get away with discriminating against us for so long? We could play at any venue and by boycotting us are the rankings even fair. Two teams in top 6 ( both been no 1 in last year) have not played in years?
What logic does India use that makes it ok for them to jsut refusing playing Pakistan in Dubai, Lanka etc?
Also out team went there in 2013 and thent20 wc 2016 and we play in major tournaments so how come they pick and choose what to play with us. Who gets the authority and why?
Not saying India ranking in danger if they play pak. I think India would beat us in most venues on current form. But this makes no sense
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20th March 2017, 21:02 #2
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Because the ICC doesn't do anything. It's not a governing body. There was a detailed piece about it not so long ago.
The BCCI does as it pleases and India as a nation is too extreme to even allow the PCB chairman to hold negotiations without being attacked. In all honesty, I don't think Pkaistan should ever agree to play in India until a fully fledged national apology is offered by the Indian government and BCCI for the situation and contracts are signed for India to then tour Pakistan.
Don't be "bikarees" lol
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20th March 2017, 21:05 #3
India is a super power and they can do anything.
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20th March 2017, 21:09 #4
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20th March 2017, 21:12 #5
How come everyone lets it pass? This is so hypocritical and cruel. Like if it is up to govt, how come its ok to play with us in WC or Champions trophy? Forget the signed contracts and money, how can they get away and get no 1 ranking when who knows Yasir could have rolled them in UAE. If both parties didnt want to play, maybe little understandable but its so one sided
How come other super powers like AUS or SA or ENG say nothing ?
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20th March 2017, 21:15 #6
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20th March 2017, 21:41 #7
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20th March 2017, 22:03 #8
It's the biggest problem with the way international cricket is scheduled. Tours are agreed bilaterally so it's up to the two teams to agree to play each other, the ICC can't force them to play. It's why Australia haven't played a test against Bangladesh in ten years and it's been almost 15 years since they played Zimbabwe.
It's also why the idea of an ICC Test Championship is completely idiotic, teams don't play a balanced schedule so it's completely pointless. You can have a big "Championship" test at Lords or whatever but because the ICC Rankings are so flawed, the end result is the crowning of a paper champion.
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20th March 2017, 22:04 #9
Legal? ICC can't make teams play each other if the boards aren't willing
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20th March 2017, 22:06 #10
To add to my last post, the only reason India plays Pakistan in World Cups and other ICC tournaments is because refusing to do so would result in them forfeiting the points and risking elimination.
With no potential penalty for refusing to organise a bilateral series, there is no reason for the BCCI to stop making excuses.
And before anyone thinks that Pakistan isn't above abusing the FTP, remember when we cancelled/postponed our series against Zimbabwe once it became clear that we had qualifed for the Champions Trophy?
The whole system is a joke.Last edited by Big Mac; 20th March 2017 at 22:08.
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20th March 2017, 22:21 #11
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20th March 2017, 22:33 #12
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What Pakistan did to Zimbabwe was disgraceful and they should be the last people complaining that India does not want to play them
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20th March 2017, 22:39 #13
Don't make a false equivalence between the two things. The difference is that Pakistan will still play Zimbabwe, both boards knew those ODIs were there as a last resort to give Pakistan a chance to get qualification points.
Yes it was playing dirty but those postponed games WILL get played and Zimbabwe will get paid. India's blanket refusal to play Pakistan makes a far bigger mockery of the system.
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20th March 2017, 23:42 #14
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21st March 2017, 00:28 #15
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Well it is an open secret why India doesn't want to play Pakistan; isolation. With due respect to the Afghan players but selecting them in the Ipl doesn't give a sound message to Pakistan either.
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21st March 2017, 05:01 #16
It is only wrong if you get caught and there are repercussions.
Not playing against Pakistan in bilaterals has zero negative impact on Indian cricket. They play in tournaments because that will result in a forfeit and India may lose valuable points.
Pakistani fans and PCB must realize that India is not going to play a bilateral series for Pakistan in near future. Pakistan has to start performing better to play more with other big 2 Australia and England.
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21st March 2017, 05:10 #17
They have their reasons and if you believe their version then they are right in not playing with us.
It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.
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21st March 2017, 05:17 #18
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21st March 2017, 06:26 #19
A mixture of racism and hate. Pakistan should not let BCCI make any money from Pak-India ICC tourney matches.
As goodwill we went to India to play a series but they never reciprocated.
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21st March 2017, 06:37 #20
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21st March 2017, 06:53 #21
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21st March 2017, 07:11 #22
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21st March 2017, 08:37 #23
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21st March 2017, 09:09 #24
Stop distorting facts and using events for you own benefit. You make it sound as though Zaka Ashraf came to beg for a series. Let me tell you what really happened, the chairmen of the two boards were supposed to meet and given the then security situation of Pakistan, India was chosen as the venue. Pakistan and India had not played in a long time and thus this series was scheduled. BCCI also promised to tour UAE in the future given Pakistan toured India. Thus, it was a goodwill gesture whether you like it or not since Pakistan did India the favour of touring and letting them make big money.
BCCI however later proved their unprofessionalism by not sticking to their word and refusing to travel. You can sugarcoat it as much as you like but this is the reality. Stop living a delusional life.
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21st March 2017, 09:38 #25
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21st March 2017, 09:40 #26
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21st March 2017, 09:43 #27
Umm because India isn't rejecting to play against Pakistan because its not safe. Indian government has taken a categorical decision (good or bad decision - is not in debate here) to cease ties in some sector with Pakistan. BCCI has to adhere.
And yes playing Pakistan in global tournaments defeats the purpose in some ways but probably BCCI wants to give India the best shot at winning the trophy and conceding 2 points wont exactly help doing that.
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21st March 2017, 09:58 #28
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21st March 2017, 10:32 #30
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21st March 2017, 10:59 #31
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I agree. I have said the same several times in the past. But the problem is there does not seem to be any willingness to do this from the people who are supposed. They seem to be bunch of corrupt, selfish, lazy....call it whatever, who are just interested in easy money and not willing to work hard and earn it.
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21st March 2017, 11:05 #32
The bcci simply doesnot have permission to play Pakistan in any bilateral series.Thats the decision of a sovereign govt and no one can do jack about it.
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21st March 2017, 11:06 #33
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21st March 2017, 11:19 #35
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21st March 2017, 14:45 #36
There is no explanation really. If we can't play in Pakistan because of security why are we saying no to UAE? UAE is safe. We have even hosted our pyjama league there.
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21st March 2017, 15:22 #37
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Because the FTP is not a legal document, its a bilateral arrangement and there are ALWAYS conditions which need to be fulfilled for the tours to happen, whether it involves India or any other country.
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21st March 2017, 15:31 #38
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Why isn't India playing Pak in UAE? It's so dumb
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21st March 2017, 15:43 #39
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21st March 2017, 15:50 #40
The only country to discriminate another test playing nation totally is India. No other countries just isolate a whole nation based on petty allegations. The players and sport have nothing to do with Politics. This makes ranking just fake I think. All top 7 nations have played each other excpet Pak and india. And Pak is ready to play.
ICC should ask India to conform to fair policies or leave ICC so fair unbiased tour planning can take place for rest of us
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21st March 2017, 16:13 #41
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Who cares. Just ignore them why are you so desperate about playing them.
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21st March 2017, 16:31 #42
Because the Govt of India doesnt allow BCCI to play bilateral series with Pakistan.
Just like Aus and Eng dont play bilateral series with Zimbabwe.
Just like pakistan boycotted the moscow olympics and the 1990 Asia cup in India.
Any Indian here knows the reason and has been discussed to death.
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21st March 2017, 16:33 #43
Did IOC ask countries to leave for boycitting Moscow and Los Angeles olympics?
These are sovereign matters of a nation state.No one can interfere.
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21st March 2017, 16:51 #44
It is legal, along with pathetic, sad, hypocritical, etc....
Inb4 @cricketjoshila copy and pastes his usual defence (BCCI doesn't care what you think and you can't do anything about it)
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21st March 2017, 17:00 #45
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21st March 2017, 17:02 #46
Its not about us being desperate . Its just we cant let this be the norm. This kind of institutional discrimination should never be allowed under any fair system. Its international sports ***, you cant just say " ja main ne nahin khelna"
Its just against principles and any kind of sportsman spirit.
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21st March 2017, 17:07 #47
bro they don't care, their mindless policies against Pak is backed by the false propaganda they created in the last decade or so. Bcci is in power so no one opposes them, and Pcb is run by weaker personalities so taking a stand against bcci is difficult. They can get away with anything.
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21st March 2017, 17:09 #48
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21st March 2017, 17:19 #49
Hahaha What Nostalgia. That series was something else. All 3 games we had the greatest batting line up on their knees in their own backyard, like full super star line up, Sehwag, Kohli, Dhoni, Gambhir
But I dont think Indian team is actually Scared to face us..to be fair
But the memories , 29/5...AANE DO
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21st March 2017, 17:23 #50
as I stated it's the biggest reason, they're never ever gonna admit it they fear losing to us, instead they will act as the best team in the world.
Aane Do series was proof that Indians went into the great depression after losing the series to Pak in India. Doctors advised that don't play Pakistan anytime soon, until you have a world calss team, otherwise mass depression will follow. That's why no series.
Pehle Aane do tha ab Rehne Do hai.Last edited by Citizen4; 21st March 2017 at 17:25.
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21st March 2017, 18:00 #51
Because ICC is powerless to make two nations play each other. GOI keeps blocking BCCI from allowing the team to play Pakistan due to political reasons. Otherwise BCCI would accept i think because Indo-Pak series is a big money spinner for them.
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21st March 2017, 18:29 #52
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What happened to the pakistani claims to drag BCCI in court?
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21st March 2017, 18:32 #53
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21st March 2017, 18:47 #56
Ok, would you any link to where that reason was listed ( any other thread ) as you say its well known.
Also, I know you have nothing to do with it but do you agree with blocking sportsmen from playing based on politics?
Furthermore, isnt it super petty for a self claimed rising super power to block games and does stopping sport benefit the nation politically or otherwise ?
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21st March 2017, 19:04 #57
Boycotting sporting or cultural or other bilateral ties are a form of protest.Its nothing petty its policy.Countries have boycotted Olympics.Aus Eng boycott Zimbabwe.Its just how the world is.
The reason is simple mumbai pathankot uri.Thats all i would say in this thread.Any explaination please open a thread in TP and tag.
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21st March 2017, 19:33 #59
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21st March 2017, 20:10 #60
Cricket needs to be revamped. It can't function like this in the 21st century. Sometimes I wish cricket had the all inclusive spirit football has.
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22nd March 2017, 00:17 #61
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22nd March 2017, 03:32 #63
Morally it's nit right at all if you are gentleman,but legally it's ok. You can't force anyone to play with you.
Hope bcci and gov't. be gentleman to play with you in neutral ground.
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22nd March 2017, 04:21 #64
Just bide your time. India - Pakistan is like London buses. You'll go decades without a bilateral but when it rains, it will pour.
To the point of boredom like in 2006-07.
Until then, there are the World Cup games to look forward to.
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22nd March 2017, 04:27 #65
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Since they have a contract, it is illegal. It's just India being its spiteful self.
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22nd March 2017, 06:13 #67
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22nd March 2017, 09:22 #68
Basically whenever the topic of a Indo-Pak bilateral series comes up, BCCI remembers the last time the two teams faced off in a bilateral series...
...thats results to the BCCI having the following reaction...
...at which point the BCCI go running to this guy.....
...thus pulling the 'political' card not to play a series.
They then get away with it because then BCCI goes to the ICC and does this...
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22nd March 2017, 10:13 #70
True - to a certain extent.
It's more a case of ICC then do this...
...and distribute it amongst the boards like this....
The cricket boards just walk away with the money like this....
...all wondering why the BCCI don't just actually go an play Pakistan in a bi-lateral series & face their fate, rather than buying their way out of it because they are too scared to play against Pakistan even in the UAE.
It's slightly embarrassing that you can't deny the fact that BCCI are too scared to play Pakistan, which is why they come up with silly excuses and hide behind politicians. Instead you start talking about the ICC's financial model - which, by the way, has been discussed to death in numerous other threads - and isn't what this thread is about
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22nd March 2017, 19:05 #71
Nice try.
LOL.Modi wasnt the PM in 2012.2 days after the series finished there were"incidents" near Kashmir border.The then govt received a plastering in media and parliament for allowing the series with Pakistan.No one fears playing Pakistan.India has since played Pakistan in various tournaments.The score line is 4-1.The bilateral sporting ties will remain suspended until the political situation improves.This is the case for all sports.
There is nothing anyone or any sporting federation can do if the govt of a country decides not to play a country.
You are free to paint it in anyway,the truth is well known to the world
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22nd March 2017, 21:44 #72
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PCB need a bailout package after PSL hence the desperation.
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23rd March 2017, 10:27 #74
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23rd March 2017, 11:31 #76
sporting ties were immediately suspended after incidents in Kashmir 2 days after that series and has remained suspended.It was a decision of the previous govt.
No one is scared of the 8th ranked ODI and 5th Ranked Test team.
As i said the world knows why sporting ties have been suspended,you can try to make a joke out of those serious incidents.
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23rd March 2017, 11:41 #77
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Was it not Hindu extremists who stormed the stadium where the PCB head was negotiating a possible series?
WHy does the Indian government and the BCCI not show defiance to the Hindu extremists and agree to play Pakistan in the UAE? India is after all a defiant and brave nation.
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23rd March 2017, 12:01 #78
PCB head was nowhere near the BCCI office when ShivSena was protesting there. Watch Your own Najam Sethi's interview on that.Its on Youtube.They were in another part of Mumbai.The BCCI did write to Govt for permission but didnot receive the clearance.
The Govt itself have suspended ties,way back in 2008.It was briefly restored in 2012 and then again suspended.Why will the govt go againist its own decision.LOL.
Read about it sir.
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23rd March 2017, 13:11 #79
A decision which the current gov & BCCI officials have firmly stood by to the extent that the Anruag Thakur called Pakistan a terrorist state.
Yea the same 8th ranked ODI team that India lost to at home in a bilateral series
BCCI and GOI have already made a joke out of the whole incidents - us fans may as well play along.
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